Muslim protesters accused of attacking rival sect

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Anjem Choudary Anjem Choudary

Five Muslim protesters have appeared in court accused of attacking members of a rival Islamic sect during a demonstration.

Mirza Ali, 38, of Lambkins Mews, Walthamstow, Jordan Horner, also of Walthamstow, and three others are accused of being at the centre of a mass brawl in Edgware Road.

Violent clashes broke out during the anti-Shia protest on May 10, led by radical preacher Anjem Choudary, who also lives in Walthamstow.

Ali and Horner, along with Mohammed Ishtiaq Alamgir, 34, Of Kenilworth Road, Luton, Mohan Uddin, 35, of Trinity Road, Luton, and Kamran Khan, 28, of Wodecroft Road, Luton, are accused of violent disorder and affray.

Westminster Magistrates' Court heard the demonstration turned ugly when a war of words broke out between the protesters and members of the local community. 

“The protest was initially about the conflict in Syria, but in Edgware Road a number of males directed abuse towards the predominantly Shi'ite Muslim community,” said prosecutor Darren Watts.

“Demonstrators then attacked two members of the public. 

“Those members of the public were beaten to the floor, kicked and beaten with placards made of wood.”

Mr Watts said one of the victims suffered bruising on his face and body, as well as a head wound which required stitches. 

The defendants insisted on standing throughout the court appearance.

All indicated they will plead not guilty to the charges, though no pleas have been formally entered yet.

All five men were freed on bail yesterday on the condition they do not attend any political or religious demonstrations and are not allowed to leave the UK.

They are also banned from contacting each other, Mr Choudary, or another eight named individuals linked to the demonstration.

The case was sent to Southwark Crown Court, with a first hearing set for August 28.

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11:26am Fri 16 Aug 13

Billy Yerache says...

More should be done to prevent such religious violence on London Streets.
More should be done to prevent such religious violence on London Streets. Billy Yerache
  • Score: 25

11:31am Fri 16 Aug 13

mdj says...

'... and are not allowed to leave the UK. ..'
No? Oh, PLEASE!
'... and are not allowed to leave the UK. ..' No? Oh, PLEASE! mdj
  • Score: 38

8:12am Sat 17 Aug 13

stickmanny says...

Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?
Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens? stickmanny
  • Score: -21

10:47am Sat 17 Aug 13

HottRedMan says...

And I thought Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace
And I thought Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace HottRedMan
  • Score: 21

11:02am Sat 17 Aug 13

mdj says...

'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?'

I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?
'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?' I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in? mdj
  • Score: 30

11:37am Sat 17 Aug 13

parkingtrouble says...

There are stiff penalties that can handed out for Violent Disorder and Affray.

If they were football hooligans the police and courts would throw the book at them and seek swingeing banning orders which (in my opinion) infringe human rights .

However, I bet the police and courts tiptoe around this incident for fear of appearing racist or sectarian.

I doubt they will get Violent Disorder to stick, it's just a ruse to get a guilty plea for a lesser charge of affray.

Public Order act is a farce which make it easy to get a charge to stick if the phantom "person of reasonable firmness" was in fear of their safety whether they are present at the incident or not.
There are stiff penalties that can handed out for Violent Disorder and Affray. If they were football hooligans the police and courts would throw the book at them and seek swingeing banning orders which (in my opinion) infringe human rights . However, I bet the police and courts tiptoe around this incident for fear of appearing racist or sectarian. I doubt they will get Violent Disorder to stick, it's just a ruse to get a guilty plea for a lesser charge of affray. Public Order act is a farce which make it easy to get a charge to stick if the phantom "person of reasonable firmness" was in fear of their safety whether they are present at the incident or not. parkingtrouble
  • Score: 13

11:43am Sat 17 Aug 13

Billy Yerache says...

Act like traitors against state, treacherous
Lock up
Act like traitors against state, treacherous Lock up Billy Yerache
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Sat 17 Aug 13

SpursSupporter1 says...

What a joke thelaw and legal system has become why do you think these people do it because they know that they 'plead human rights' and then walk away, come out opf the human rights pact and then perhaps the country can get rid
What a joke thelaw and legal system has become why do you think these people do it because they know that they 'plead human rights' and then walk away, come out opf the human rights pact and then perhaps the country can get rid SpursSupporter1
  • Score: 3

3:50pm Sat 17 Aug 13

Billy Yerache says...

Sticks any seems to defend the indefensible
Sticks any seems to defend the indefensible Billy Yerache
  • Score: 4

5:15pm Sat 17 Aug 13

stickmanny says...

mdj wrote:
'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?'

I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?
However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear.

We live in a world where matters that originate in one part of it have effects in the other. This is inescapable.

Violent acts must be prosecuted without consideration for the religion of the perpetrator, but it makes no sense to suggest deportation as a sentence unless the perpetrator is foreign.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?' I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?[/p][/quote]However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear. We live in a world where matters that originate in one part of it have effects in the other. This is inescapable. Violent acts must be prosecuted without consideration for the religion of the perpetrator, but it makes no sense to suggest deportation as a sentence unless the perpetrator is foreign. stickmanny
  • Score: -12

5:38pm Sat 17 Aug 13

Robert19 says...

stickmanny wrote:
mdj wrote:
'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?'

I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?
However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear.

We live in a world where matters that originate in one part of it have effects in the other. This is inescapable.

Violent acts must be prosecuted without consideration for the religion of the perpetrator, but it makes no sense to suggest deportation as a sentence unless the perpetrator is foreign.
My concerns about people who espouse such extreme views if you strip away the religious veneer they are incredibly right wing and anti democratic. They are also very sectarian even within their own communities just like the BNP and the EDL are. Therefore in my mind that although we have to be careful about freedom of speech issues - blanket bans and gagging orders can backfire like they did in Ireland., these people must be opposed for their views and if they become a danger to the democratic process and beating each other up is a criminal action then the law should take its course.
There is no place for liberal feelings around such ideologues with neo fascist views and sometimes actions. An increasing number of muslims are realising that they do their communities no good.
I agree with Stickmanny if they are British citizens, as they are increasingly likely to be born in this country, then where do we deport them to?
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?' I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?[/p][/quote]However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear. We live in a world where matters that originate in one part of it have effects in the other. This is inescapable. Violent acts must be prosecuted without consideration for the religion of the perpetrator, but it makes no sense to suggest deportation as a sentence unless the perpetrator is foreign.[/p][/quote]My concerns about people who espouse such extreme views if you strip away the religious veneer they are incredibly right wing and anti democratic. They are also very sectarian even within their own communities just like the BNP and the EDL are. Therefore in my mind that although we have to be careful about freedom of speech issues - blanket bans and gagging orders can backfire like they did in Ireland., these people must be opposed for their views and if they become a danger to the democratic process and beating each other up is a criminal action then the law should take its course. There is no place for liberal feelings around such ideologues with neo fascist views and sometimes actions. An increasing number of muslims are realising that they do their communities no good. I agree with Stickmanny if they are British citizens, as they are increasingly likely to be born in this country, then where do we deport them to? Robert19
  • Score: 9

5:52pm Sat 17 Aug 13

stickmanny says...

Agreed. Those that attack democracy get no slack at all.

This lot were fighting in the street. The difference between them and a bunch of lads scrapping on a Friday night? Alcohol and beards. Not much else.
Agreed. Those that attack democracy get no slack at all. This lot were fighting in the street. The difference between them and a bunch of lads scrapping on a Friday night? Alcohol and beards. Not much else. stickmanny
  • Score: 8

6:34pm Sat 17 Aug 13

GRP100 says...

mdj wrote:
'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?'

I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?
It is nice for once to hear some one who knows what they are talking about. These people are walking about Bakers Arms telling local people that this area is a muslim area. This needs to be stopped. This is not a muslim country and the police need to take these people into hand. Thanks for the clear response to the situation in question.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?' I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?[/p][/quote]It is nice for once to hear some one who knows what they are talking about. These people are walking about Bakers Arms telling local people that this area is a muslim area. This needs to be stopped. This is not a muslim country and the police need to take these people into hand. Thanks for the clear response to the situation in question. GRP100
  • Score: 15

6:38pm Sat 17 Aug 13

GRP100 says...

parkingtrouble wrote:
There are stiff penalties that can handed out for Violent Disorder and Affray.

If they were football hooligans the police and courts would throw the book at them and seek swingeing banning orders which (in my opinion) infringe human rights .

However, I bet the police and courts tiptoe around this incident for fear of appearing racist or sectarian.

I doubt they will get Violent Disorder to stick, it's just a ruse to get a guilty plea for a lesser charge of affray.

Public Order act is a farce which make it easy to get a charge to stick if the phantom "person of reasonable firmness" was in fear of their safety whether they are present at the incident or not.
These so called "peace loving" people are going around the Bakers Arms at night telling locals that this is a muslim area (bloody idiots) and it needs to be stopped. This area is now just on the up and that type of idiotic clowning will damage the area. Good article.
[quote][p][bold]parkingtrouble[/bold] wrote: There are stiff penalties that can handed out for Violent Disorder and Affray. If they were football hooligans the police and courts would throw the book at them and seek swingeing banning orders which (in my opinion) infringe human rights . However, I bet the police and courts tiptoe around this incident for fear of appearing racist or sectarian. I doubt they will get Violent Disorder to stick, it's just a ruse to get a guilty plea for a lesser charge of affray. Public Order act is a farce which make it easy to get a charge to stick if the phantom "person of reasonable firmness" was in fear of their safety whether they are present at the incident or not.[/p][/quote]These so called "peace loving" people are going around the Bakers Arms at night telling locals that this is a muslim area (bloody idiots) and it needs to be stopped. This area is now just on the up and that type of idiotic clowning will damage the area. Good article. GRP100
  • Score: 8

6:52pm Sat 17 Aug 13

GRP100 says...

The idiot Anjem Choudary is laughable, that fool use to be a drinker of booze and go out with white women and clubbing. So his self righteous stance is nothing but farcical.

They are also going around the Bakers Arms area telling local people that this is a "muslim area" again farcical but damaging to this area that is now up and coming. The police need to be in the Bakers Arms area to clear these fools away. Leyton is now on the up and I for one want to keep it that way.
The idiot Anjem Choudary is laughable, that fool use to be a drinker of booze and go out with white women and clubbing. So his self righteous stance is nothing but farcical. They are also going around the Bakers Arms area telling local people that this is a "muslim area" again farcical but damaging to this area that is now up and coming. The police need to be in the Bakers Arms area to clear these fools away. Leyton is now on the up and I for one want to keep it that way. GRP100
  • Score: 6

7:22pm Sat 17 Aug 13

mdj says...

'However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear.'

We're not talking about their faith: we're talking about a bunch of goons crossing to the other side of town to start a row with law-abiding (as far as we know) strangers. Most Muslims must cringe when they contemplate this behaviour., and see the ignorant judge them by it.

When the EDL came here with much less aggressive ( I won't say inoffensive) intentions, thousands of us turned out to make it clear that they weren't welcome. They were at least promoting a warped and deluded vision of Britishness, rather than importing a quarrel that has no origin in this country. We saw them off all the same.

This is surely more harmful than just a kind of youthful hooliganism, as between football gangs. When those have a barney there's an element of mutual consent. They don't have views on how the rest of us should live our lives, or try to impose those views when they think they can get away with it. These bigots are claiming the privileges of a society whose values they oppose and seek to undermine - the highest hypocrisy. I wonder if Mr Choudary's supporters would like to try this in Egypt?

There are Muslims in west London who have fled vile and violent regimes of various kinds. How they must feel to find violence following them to our generally peaceful streets is not nice to imagine.
'However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear.' We're not talking about their faith: we're talking about a bunch of goons crossing to the other side of town to start a row with law-abiding (as far as we know) strangers. Most Muslims must cringe when they contemplate this behaviour., and see the ignorant judge them by it. When the EDL came here with much less aggressive ( I won't say inoffensive) intentions, thousands of us turned out to make it clear that they weren't welcome. They were at least promoting a warped and deluded vision of Britishness, rather than importing a quarrel that has no origin in this country. We saw them off all the same. This is surely more harmful than just a kind of youthful hooliganism, as between football gangs. When those have a barney there's an element of mutual consent. They don't have views on how the rest of us should live our lives, or try to impose those views when they think they can get away with it. These bigots are claiming the privileges of a society whose values they oppose and seek to undermine - the highest hypocrisy. I wonder if Mr Choudary's supporters would like to try this in Egypt? There are Muslims in west London who have fled vile and violent regimes of various kinds. How they must feel to find violence following them to our generally peaceful streets is not nice to imagine. mdj
  • Score: 5

9:02pm Sat 17 Aug 13

stickmanny says...

Do we know those involved in this incident reject democracy and/or 'British values'? If they do then your comments are justified.

Concepts like 'British' and 'country' are too parochial. Looking wider is better for progress. There's merit in democracy, there's merit in Islam too.
Do we know those involved in this incident reject democracy and/or 'British values'? If they do then your comments are justified. Concepts like 'British' and 'country' are too parochial. Looking wider is better for progress. There's merit in democracy, there's merit in Islam too. stickmanny
  • Score: -16

9:35pm Sat 17 Aug 13

J1mmy Z says...

Hey, at least the fight was "diverse".
According to the media, there's nothing worse than "not enough diversity" (i.e. too many White people).
Hey, at least the fight was "diverse". According to the media, there's nothing worse than "not enough diversity" (i.e. too many White people). J1mmy Z
  • Score: 5

10:32pm Sat 17 Aug 13

tamara bara says...

HottRedMan wrote:
And I thought Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace
You were right! It is. The vast majority of the 1.6billion muslims are peaceful. So are the vast majority of British muslims. The problem is always with the same select few crazies. Hence, the name Anjum Choudary pops up. He represents no more then a couple of hundred(at best) extremist idiots.
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: And I thought Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace[/p][/quote]You were right! It is. The vast majority of the 1.6billion muslims are peaceful. So are the vast majority of British muslims. The problem is always with the same select few crazies. Hence, the name Anjum Choudary pops up. He represents no more then a couple of hundred(at best) extremist idiots. tamara bara
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Sat 17 Aug 13

tamara bara says...

mdj wrote:
'However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear.'

We're not talking about their faith: we're talking about a bunch of goons crossing to the other side of town to start a row with law-abiding (as far as we know) strangers. Most Muslims must cringe when they contemplate this behaviour., and see the ignorant judge them by it.

When the EDL came here with much less aggressive ( I won't say inoffensive) intentions, thousands of us turned out to make it clear that they weren't welcome. They were at least promoting a warped and deluded vision of Britishness, rather than importing a quarrel that has no origin in this country. We saw them off all the same.

This is surely more harmful than just a kind of youthful hooliganism, as between football gangs. When those have a barney there's an element of mutual consent. They don't have views on how the rest of us should live our lives, or try to impose those views when they think they can get away with it. These bigots are claiming the privileges of a society whose values they oppose and seek to undermine - the highest hypocrisy. I wonder if Mr Choudary's supporters would like to try this in Egypt?

There are Muslims in west London who have fled vile and violent regimes of various kinds. How they must feel to find violence following them to our generally peaceful streets is not nice to imagine.
I as a muslim agree with you completely. As vile as the EDL are, they do not compare in the slightest to the likes of anjum choudary. Thankfully, he and his followers are very few in number and opposed by all mainstream muslim organisations in the UK.

I absolutely agree that more should be done to oppose anyone who wishes to create a climate of fear and impose their sick views on others. However, I'm genuinely unsure as to what the average muslim on the street should do. We are victims of this small group of extremists just like everyone else. We do not condone their actions in any way.

I truly think that the solution is within the justice system. For instance, these criminals broke the law by attacking people in the streets. This has consequences which will help deter such actions in the future. We reject the likes of the EDL because they take the law in to their own hands and generalise by attacking innocent muslims. This is a civilised society and anyone harassed by these people should contact the police instantly. Eventually, these criminals will end up behind bars and the rest of us can get on as we do already.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'However much we might dislike the tenets of certain believers we have to accept that many UK subjects abide by them and hold them dear.' We're not talking about their faith: we're talking about a bunch of goons crossing to the other side of town to start a row with law-abiding (as far as we know) strangers. Most Muslims must cringe when they contemplate this behaviour., and see the ignorant judge them by it. When the EDL came here with much less aggressive ( I won't say inoffensive) intentions, thousands of us turned out to make it clear that they weren't welcome. They were at least promoting a warped and deluded vision of Britishness, rather than importing a quarrel that has no origin in this country. We saw them off all the same. This is surely more harmful than just a kind of youthful hooliganism, as between football gangs. When those have a barney there's an element of mutual consent. They don't have views on how the rest of us should live our lives, or try to impose those views when they think they can get away with it. These bigots are claiming the privileges of a society whose values they oppose and seek to undermine - the highest hypocrisy. I wonder if Mr Choudary's supporters would like to try this in Egypt? There are Muslims in west London who have fled vile and violent regimes of various kinds. How they must feel to find violence following them to our generally peaceful streets is not nice to imagine.[/p][/quote]I as a muslim agree with you completely. As vile as the EDL are, they do not compare in the slightest to the likes of anjum choudary. Thankfully, he and his followers are very few in number and opposed by all mainstream muslim organisations in the UK. I absolutely agree that more should be done to oppose anyone who wishes to create a climate of fear and impose their sick views on others. However, I'm genuinely unsure as to what the average muslim on the street should do. We are victims of this small group of extremists just like everyone else. We do not condone their actions in any way. I truly think that the solution is within the justice system. For instance, these criminals broke the law by attacking people in the streets. This has consequences which will help deter such actions in the future. We reject the likes of the EDL because they take the law in to their own hands and generalise by attacking innocent muslims. This is a civilised society and anyone harassed by these people should contact the police instantly. Eventually, these criminals will end up behind bars and the rest of us can get on as we do already. tamara bara
  • Score: 10

10:55pm Sat 17 Aug 13

tamara bara says...

stickmanny wrote:
Do we know those involved in this incident reject democracy and/or 'British values'? If they do then your comments are justified.

Concepts like 'British' and 'country' are too parochial. Looking wider is better for progress. There's merit in democracy, there's merit in Islam too.
We do know these people reject democracy. They are followers of the vile anjum choudary who is more then happy to make his sick views on british society heard. If you are unaware of them, I can direct you to the videos and quotes. The real problem is that these sickos don't represent any one but themselves. Out of the 2.6 million british muslims, a couple of hundred crazies have these intolerent views yet they seem to be the face of islam in the british media.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Do we know those involved in this incident reject democracy and/or 'British values'? If they do then your comments are justified. Concepts like 'British' and 'country' are too parochial. Looking wider is better for progress. There's merit in democracy, there's merit in Islam too.[/p][/quote]We do know these people reject democracy. They are followers of the vile anjum choudary who is more then happy to make his sick views on british society heard. If you are unaware of them, I can direct you to the videos and quotes. The real problem is that these sickos don't represent any one but themselves. Out of the 2.6 million british muslims, a couple of hundred crazies have these intolerent views yet they seem to be the face of islam in the british media. tamara bara
  • Score: 5

10:56pm Sat 17 Aug 13

tamara bara says...

stickmanny wrote:
Agreed. Those that attack democracy get no slack at all.

This lot were fighting in the street. The difference between them and a bunch of lads scrapping on a Friday night? Alcohol and beards. Not much else.
Why are you jumping the gun? Wait for the verdict and then say what you wish.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Agreed. Those that attack democracy get no slack at all. This lot were fighting in the street. The difference between them and a bunch of lads scrapping on a Friday night? Alcohol and beards. Not much else.[/p][/quote]Why are you jumping the gun? Wait for the verdict and then say what you wish. tamara bara
  • Score: -1

11:08pm Sat 17 Aug 13

Billy Yerache says...

Stick man is defending the indefensible and it is like ordering a pain au raise in a Wendy Burger they are bust and did not ever do it anyway
You cannot even comment on the taste, as impossible.
Stick man is defending the indefensible and it is like ordering a pain au raise in a Wendy Burger they are bust and did not ever do it anyway You cannot even comment on the taste, as impossible. Billy Yerache
  • Score: -6

9:47pm Thu 22 Aug 13

Walthamster says...

mdj wrote:
'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?'

I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?
Well said.

I'm glad these idiots started brawling in the streets and got arrested. I'm more worried about their lower-key efforts to intimidate residents, telling them this is a muslim area. They're trying to force the rest of us out, and they are being allowed to get away with it.

If the BNP or EDL tried anything similar they would face mass demonstrations. Pity we don't see the same reaction to these considerably more dangerous fanatics.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'Are you suggesting the accused are somehow less than UK citizens?' I am certainly suggesting that they have no concept of what the duties of a British citizen are, whatever their passport. If all your values, loyalties, affinities and public concerns are related to issues derived from other countries, and you think it acceptable to undermine the general tolerance of this country by engaging in public strife over matters that have no origin here, it's surely fair to suggest that this may not be the best country for you to be living in?[/p][/quote]Well said. I'm glad these idiots started brawling in the streets and got arrested. I'm more worried about their lower-key efforts to intimidate residents, telling them this is a muslim area. They're trying to force the rest of us out, and they are being allowed to get away with it. If the BNP or EDL tried anything similar they would face mass demonstrations. Pity we don't see the same reaction to these considerably more dangerous fanatics. Walthamster
  • Score: 1

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