Andrei Telts, 30, of Grove Road in Walthamstow, punched Leo Andreliuskis after accusing him of pushing into the Christian Kitchen queue

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: File image. People queuing for a meal at the Christian Kitchen van. File image. People queuing for a meal at the Christian Kitchen van.

A porter was jailed yesterday for breaking a homeless man’s skull after a row at a Walthamstow charity soup kitchen last October.

Andrei Telts, 30, of Grove Road in Walthamstow, punched Leo Andreliuskis causing him to fall to the ground and smash his head on the floor after accusing him of pushing in while the men were queuing for food at the Christian Kitchen van in Mission Grove.

Telts, who Judge Tudor Owen said should not have been using the service in the first place, was jailed for 10 months after sentencing at Snaresbrook Crown Court yesterday.

“Last year you entered a soup kitchen even though you were in employment and earning good money in order to get a free meal,” Judge Owen said.

“It is obviously intended for people in difficult financial circumstances, not the likes of you.

“For some reason you thought a man in front of you shouldn’t be served before you.

“You spoke to him and he didn’t respond because he was simply going about his businesses so you hit him with some considerable force.”

Cases where a person is punched and suffers further injuries after hitting their head on the ground can often lead to death, Judge Owen added.

Mr Andeliuskis’ skull was fractured and he was knocked unconscious for four minutes.

He had to have liquid drained from his skull after scans showed bleeding on the right side of his brain.

Estonian-born Telts was arrested but did not comment to police before pleading guilty to one count of unlawful and malicious wounding last month.

The council is trying to evict Christian Kitchen from the Mission Grove site is has used for 20 years because it claims it is a magnet for crime and anti-social behaviour.

Christian Kitchen supporters believe volunteers are providing a crucial service.

The charity has taken the decision to the High Court and last month was due to hear whether it could mount a challenge.

However, after a hearing on February 26 the judge adjourned making a ruling to an undecided date in order to assess the evidence.

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11:14am Wed 26 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen? Villagecranberry
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11:31am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dave mp says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
Didn't these same people also cause trouble outside Gregg's The bakers in the High Street. Soon after midnight they let people help themselves to the days leftover food when their driver delivers new stock there used to be/still is (?) trouble there on ocassion.
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]Didn't these same people also cause trouble outside Gregg's The bakers in the High Street. Soon after midnight they let people help themselves to the days leftover food when their driver delivers new stock there used to be/still is (?) trouble there on ocassion. Dave mp
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11:42am Wed 26 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Dave mp wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
Didn't these same people also cause trouble outside Gregg's The bakers in the High Street. Soon after midnight they let people help themselves to the days leftover food when their driver delivers new stock there used to be/still is (?) trouble there on ocassion.
At least they are enriching society.
[quote][p][bold]Dave mp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]Didn't these same people also cause trouble outside Gregg's The bakers in the High Street. Soon after midnight they let people help themselves to the days leftover food when their driver delivers new stock there used to be/still is (?) trouble there on ocassion.[/p][/quote]At least they are enriching society. Villagecranberry
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12:06pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Techno3 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
It is unrealistic to expect there will never be any trouble when food is being provided to desperate people. On the whole, the supporters of this Kitchen say there is not very much trouble and, as in this case, when there is some, it is a matter which the police are quite capable of dealing with. As we can see, the police did arrest the culprit and bring him to justice. In other words, such trouble as there is at the kitchen in Walthamstow, is rare or at a manageable level.

The argument of the council seems to be that if this food programme is moved there will never be any trouble a a new site. Personally, I think that is highly unlikely, human nature being what it is. There will always be greedy people who will try to muscle in on a hand-out they don't deserve.

This is what critics of food banks keep saying: the alleged growth in their use being driven, in part, by people turning up simply because there is some free food they can access. While food banks are in theory targetted to people in need, it seems that some are, in practice, lax in their referal criteria and not good at spotting those who don't need the service. It is always so much easier to say 'yea' than 'no'. In some cases not enough questions about genuine need are being asked by referers, who may simply be trusting folk who mean well: and answers given about whether someone really needs the free food are not really being checked out properly. In other instances, it is believed that food bank organisers are motivated by political ideology or even simple careerist ambition to exaggerate the levels of need for their services.
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]It is unrealistic to expect there will never be any trouble when food is being provided to desperate people. On the whole, the supporters of this Kitchen say there is not very much trouble and, as in this case, when there is some, it is a matter which the police are quite capable of dealing with. As we can see, the police did arrest the culprit and bring him to justice. In other words, such trouble as there is at the kitchen in Walthamstow, is rare or at a manageable level. The argument of the council seems to be that if this food programme is moved there will never be any trouble a a new site. Personally, I think that is highly unlikely, human nature being what it is. There will always be greedy people who will try to muscle in on a hand-out they don't deserve. This is what critics of food banks keep saying: the alleged growth in their use being driven, in part, by people turning up simply because there is some free food they can access. While food banks are in theory targetted to people in need, it seems that some are, in practice, lax in their referal criteria and not good at spotting those who don't need the service. It is always so much easier to say 'yea' than 'no'. In some cases not enough questions about genuine need are being asked by referers, who may simply be trusting folk who mean well: and answers given about whether someone really needs the free food are not really being checked out properly. In other instances, it is believed that food bank organisers are motivated by political ideology or even simple careerist ambition to exaggerate the levels of need for their services. Techno3
  • Score: 4

12:25pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Alan_1976 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
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VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation"

Spouting on indeed
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed Alan_1976
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3:24pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
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VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation"

Spouting on indeed
I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice?

I can support it and criticise failings.

As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed[/p][/quote]I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -6

4:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Alan_1976 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
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VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation"

Spouting on indeed
I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice?

I can support it and criticise failings.

As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.
VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected"

Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about".

Keep digging
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed[/p][/quote]I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.[/p][/quote]VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging Alan_1976
  • Score: 4

5:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

stickmanny says...

And for his next trick Villagecranberry / Silly Cnut / Cornbeefur will disappear right up his own arse
And for his next trick Villagecranberry / Silly Cnut / Cornbeefur will disappear right up his own arse stickmanny
  • Score: -2

5:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
http://www.guardian-



series.co.uk/news/11



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VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation"

Spouting on indeed
I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice?

I can support it and criticise failings.

As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.
VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected"

Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about".

Keep digging
Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed[/p][/quote]I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.[/p][/quote]VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging[/p][/quote]Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -7

5:48pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Alan_1976 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed
I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.
VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging
Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.
If by selective you mean to insinuate that I am being dishonest in my quotes of yours then anyone can go and read then for themselves using the link I provided where your nonsense is there in full glory
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed[/p][/quote]I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.[/p][/quote]VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging[/p][/quote]Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.[/p][/quote]If by selective you mean to insinuate that I am being dishonest in my quotes of yours then anyone can go and read then for themselves using the link I provided where your nonsense is there in full glory Alan_1976
  • Score: 6

6:34pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed
I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.
VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging
Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.
If by selective you mean to insinuate that I am being dishonest in my quotes of yours then anyone can go and read then for themselves using the link I provided where your nonsense is there in full glory
No I mean exactly what I say, do not be selective in your editing, I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.
Nobody is interested in your strained efforts but I am so glad that you feel so resolved to keep dissecting everything I post.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed[/p][/quote]I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.[/p][/quote]VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging[/p][/quote]Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.[/p][/quote]If by selective you mean to insinuate that I am being dishonest in my quotes of yours then anyone can go and read then for themselves using the link I provided where your nonsense is there in full glory[/p][/quote]No I mean exactly what I say, do not be selective in your editing, I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score. Nobody is interested in your strained efforts but I am so glad that you feel so resolved to keep dissecting everything I post. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -8

7:00pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Alan_1976 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?
http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed
I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.
VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging
Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.
If by selective you mean to insinuate that I am being dishonest in my quotes of yours then anyone can go and read then for themselves using the link I provided where your nonsense is there in full glory
No I mean exactly what I say, do not be selective in your editing, I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score. Nobody is interested in your strained efforts but I am so glad that you feel so resolved to keep dissecting everything I post.
No strain. Happy to help you remember your opinions. I imagine its a strain remembering which account to use Cornbeefur
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Weren't the campaigners who are fighting to keep this facility at the site spouting on about there never being any trouble or ant-social behaviour at the Soup Kitchen?[/p][/quote]http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/11 037824.Council_defen ds_soup_kitchen_evic tion_bid_ahead_of_Hi gh_Court_decision/ VillageCranberry "I have always supported this operation" Spouting on indeed[/p][/quote]I have always supported it, what has my highlighting the fact that locals stated that there had 'never been any trouble or anti social behaviour' got to do with the price of rice? I can support it and criticise failings. As for Techno, I agree, there will always be situations where free anything will encourage trouble.[/p][/quote]VillageCranberry "many local church groups run it and surely these voices should be respected" Good respect there referring to them as "spouting on about". Keep digging[/p][/quote]Don't be selective in your editing. I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score.[/p][/quote]If by selective you mean to insinuate that I am being dishonest in my quotes of yours then anyone can go and read then for themselves using the link I provided where your nonsense is there in full glory[/p][/quote]No I mean exactly what I say, do not be selective in your editing, I am flattered that you spend time researching all these news items so you can point score. Nobody is interested in your strained efforts but I am so glad that you feel so resolved to keep dissecting everything I post.[/p][/quote]No strain. Happy to help you remember your opinions. I imagine its a strain remembering which account to use Cornbeefur Alan_1976
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