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WALTHAM FOREST: Campaigners to 'shame' kerb crawlers

  AN ANTI-PROSTITUTION campaign has been launched in Waltham Forest - with members vowing to tackle the issue by filming and confronting kerb crawlers.

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  The 'No To Prostitution' group claim sex workers are overrunning some of the borough's streets at night and also accuse the authorities of failing to act.

  They want tougher legislation, including the criminalisation of prostitution, and increased enforcement - but also believe residents themselves can make a difference by approaching those involved.

  Abu Usamah, 28, is one of the organisers and said he was growing increasingly concerned about areas such as Lea Bridge Road by the Bakers Arms in Leyton and St James Street in Walthamstow.

  He said: "The situation has got out of control. If you come here at night there are lots of scantily clad women and kerb crawlers all over the place.

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  "But when residents call the police they do nothing. Something has to be done."

  The group is convinced its "shame and embarrass" grassroots tactic of using video cameras to film kerb crawlers will scare them away from the area.

Mr Usamah said: "We've already gone out a few times with cameras to try it out. Due to the strength of the community among Muslims here I think it is unlikely any of us will get hurt. We are all Muslims but of course we are appealing for the wider community to get involved.

  "We did have one instance where one of our members got approached by a pimp saying it was none of our business, but he walked away afterwards."

  Some charities like London's Toynbee Hall argue that crackdowns on prostitution are self-defeating and drive women to take greater risks.

  But campaigner Abdullah Muslim, 23, of Hoe Street, said: "We do see it as part of a wider problem in society, and governments should be doing more to provide solutions for those with drug problems and so on.

  "But that does not mean we should have to put up with the symptoms of this or take the blame.

  "We've been leafleting streets around Lea Bridge Road and we've already had a huge response. Residents are fed up with it and seeing condoms and needles in the streets."

  A spokesman for Waltham Forest Police said the force did take the issue seriously and had carried out an operation in Lea Bridge Road last month.

Six prostitutes were cautioned and one man was arrested on suspicion of loitering for the purposes of prostitution.

Sergeant Fred Angove from Lea Bridge Safer Neighbourhood Team said: "We will respond to issues identified by the local community that are linked to street prostitution and associated anti-social behaviour".

 

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Comments (122)

19/06/12

Techno3 says...

St James's Street? Isn't that where Councillor Ali has his business premises? It would be interesting to hear his views on this.

Presumably he would have been able to look out of his shop front window and notice if there was soliciting and kerb crawling going on.

As for this group which has sprung up, please do tell us mroe about them. I seem to recognise the faces in the photos from somewhere...

19/06/12

techguy123 says...

It is great that the community have finally woken up and addressed this problem...
Even though I'm Muslim I believe the non mulsims should support these guys because its our community at the end of the day

19/06/12

ScottD1 says...

This is a surprisingly sympathetic article for what amounts to a bunch of religious nutters harassing people on the street and trying to impose their religious mores on others.

19/06/12

abuusamah says...

This is a great campaign, good to see people from the community taking action against such a 'taboo topic' i.e. prostitution. It's definitely a problem, I recommend the following link which is an audio message from a woman in the local community who has experienced first hand the problem of prostitution in the area: http://yourlisten.co
m/channel/content/13
3187/A_Moving_Messag
e_from_a_Waltha?rn=7
t0mvhiixuv4

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

19/06/12

abuusamah says...

We've received a phenomenal response from the community, from supportive emails and phone calls, to invitations to peoples houses! It is a BIG BIG ISSUE.

We'd like to call out to everyone in the area to take a no tolerance policy towards those involved in prostitution, but fundamentally to also recognise that the problem is much bigger than just prostitution.

Our government has let us down, they clearly do not care about the community, and they support laws and regulations which go hand in hand with contributing to the problem of prostitution e.g. ****, light punishments and not to mention prostitution not being illegal itself!

We also want to call out to everyone who has heard about our campaign to know that we are your Muslim neighbours and we care about your problems. We live side by side with you and witness what you witness day in and day out. Everyone can see the double standards of the local and national government, and so we'd like to pose the question, 'Why not give Islam a chance?'.

We are SERIOUS about helping the community and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us on notoprostitution@gma
il.com or call us directly on 07783278681

We'd love to hear your feedback.

We would finally like to emphasise that this campaign is not just about prostitution. We have received e-mails from frustrated residents of Waltham Forest about the escalation of gambling and betting shops in the area and how this is tarnishing the area. We will soon be launching a new project tackling this issue.

WATCH THIS SPACE!

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

19/06/12

HottRedMan says...

I have to agree its a good idea, but could prove dangerous. Not sure what those who are pimping the girls are up to in terms of crime or capable of.
Never realised St. James St had prostitutes now, surely some exaggeration.

19/06/12

Helen, Walthamstow says...

ScottD1 wrote:
This is a surprisingly sympathetic article for what amounts to a bunch of religious nutters harassing people on the street and trying to impose their religious mores on others.
If it takes a bunch of what you so rudely and unfairly describe as "religious nutters" to highlight a problem that affects a significant section of society, so be it.

My daughter tells me that there are places in this borough where she is reluctant to walk after dark because of the approaches - occasionally aggressive - that are made to her by men in cars or on foot. Lea Bridge Road is one of those areas.

I'm savvy enough to know that uprooting prostitutes and kerb-crawlers from one area just moves them to another, and may even lead the street-walkers into dangerous situations. But just ignoring the effect theri activities have on the rest of the population is not the answer.

19/06/12

Sam Hain says...

I can imagine living in such an area must be very distressing but I would urge extreme caution in taking direct action, not only on grounds of personal safety but also for fear of oneself infringing the law. For example, I believe there are laws relating to filming of such alleged activity and community activists would be well-advised to acquaint themselves with the law in this area. I would suggest reporting any such suspected activity to the police and let them deal with it. This sort of direct action can lead to vigilantism which in turn can have unexpected and unpleasant consequences.

19/06/12

abuusamah says...

Sam Hain wrote:
I can imagine living in such an area must be very distressing but I would urge extreme caution in taking direct action, not only on grounds of personal safety but also for fear of oneself infringing the law. For example, I believe there are laws relating to filming of such alleged activity and community activists would be well-advised to acquaint themselves with the law in this area. I would suggest reporting any such suspected activity to the police and let them deal with it. This sort of direct action can lead to vigilantism which in turn can have unexpected and unpleasant consequences.
Hi Sam,

Thanks for the advice. We do urge residents of Waltham Forest to not approach kerb crawlers or pimps individually. We are a collective group with strong links in the community. If you want to join us just contact us on notoprostitution@gma
il.com

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

19/06/12

abuusamah says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
ScottD1 wrote:
This is a surprisingly sympathetic article for what amounts to a bunch of religious nutters harassing people on the street and trying to impose their religious mores on others.
If it takes a bunch of what you so rudely and unfairly describe as "religious nutters" to highlight a problem that affects a significant section of society, so be it.

My daughter tells me that there are places in this borough where she is reluctant to walk after dark because of the approaches - occasionally aggressive - that are made to her by men in cars or on foot. Lea Bridge Road is one of those areas.

I'm savvy enough to know that uprooting prostitutes and kerb-crawlers from one area just moves them to another, and may even lead the street-walkers into dangerous situations. But just ignoring the effect theri activities have on the rest of the population is not the answer.
Hi Helen,

Thanks for the support. Just to let you know we're are not 'religious nutters' as Scott put it, we are your Muslim neighbours who want to make a difference. Like you said, we can't continue to ignore the problem, it just getting worse and worse.

Our patrols will be starting very soon. Please support us by raising awareness for our campaign!

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

19/06/12

Techno3 says...

abuusamah wrote:
This is a great campaign, good to see people from the community taking action against such a 'taboo topic' i.e. prostitution. It's definitely a problem, I recommend the following link which is an audio message from a woman in the local community who has experienced first hand the problem of prostitution in the area: http://yourlisten.co

m/channel/content/13

3187/A_Moving_Messag

e_from_a_Waltha?rn=7

t0mvhiixuv4

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner
Prostitution isn't really a taboo subject, but it does seem to be very interesting for the prurient to pretend it is.

19/06/12

Harry J says...

Abu - good luck to you and your campaign. Please ignore those people who think that because you mention your religion at all - that you must be 'nutters'.
The vast majority of people in Waltham Forest know this is absolute nonsense.
If more of us posters on here actually got up and did something instead of just moaning, perhaps we'd realise that people can make a difference, but it takes more than whinging and whining.

19/06/12

Mary T.W. says...

Though men who pester and leer at women from their cars are certainly not uncommon around the area, I have personally never known prostitution (of all things) to be an issue in Walthamstow.
In any case, I think it's beyond outrageous to encourage residents to ''approach those involved''. What kind of lunacy is that?

19/06/12

Walthamster says...

I'm a bit baffled by this, having lived near St James Street for many years and often coming home late at night.

Presumably these men have seen evidence of prostitution. But there can't be much, as I've never seen it there or heard anyone else comment on it.

I'd agree with efforts to get rid of kerb-crawlers, if they had been seen in the area. But I've never noticed kerb-crawlers near St James Street either.

19/06/12

Stow guy says...

I live in Walthamstow and ive seen these kerb crawlers on queens rd, near the market, and leabridge road. The thing is its so apprent atleast these guys are doing something about it. dont know how much they can do though, since its not exactly illegal dont know what is worse the prostitute or the one who legalises and protects them. :(

19/06/12

sunn says...

What right do this group have to go around the streets acting as self-appointed judges and juries when it comes to the whys and wherefores of people going about their lives?

This won't deal with prostitution in any meaningful way, at best it will just move it elsewhere at worst they could potentially ruin someone's life.

I'm sure they mean well, but this campaign is totally ridiculous.

19/06/12

Budgetplus says...

I noticed a young woman desperately touting for business in the Bakers Arms area last evening. I felt so sorry for her obviously messed existence. I can understand a campaign against kerb crawlers and pimps. I was grateful to read of the campaign but it needs to work to help these women and to deal with those that groom them - and this aspect has been highlighted by recent court cases as a cross community issue. Largely it is about criminally exploitative men!

So, to those who are leading on this - a bit of community getting together at a meeting with the great and the good and the experts would help and have my firm support.

19/06/12

abuusamah says...

Budgetplus wrote:
I noticed a young woman desperately touting for business in the Bakers Arms area last evening. I felt so sorry for her obviously messed existence. I can understand a campaign against kerb crawlers and pimps. I was grateful to read of the campaign but it needs to work to help these women and to deal with those that groom them - and this aspect has been highlighted by recent court cases as a cross community issue. Largely it is about criminally exploitative men!

So, to those who are leading on this - a bit of community getting together at a meeting with the great and the good and the experts would help and have my firm support.
Hi Budgetplus,

We understand that prostitution is much bigger than just the prostitutes.

Our campaign has been carefully thought through, and the patrols on the street are just one aspect of dealing with the problem. Having said that, we do welcome comments and suggestions from the Waltham Forest community.

The No To Prostitution drive was initiated by Muslims from the local community, who were inspired by the teachings of the Quran and sayings of the final Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him). As Abdullah Muslim quite rightly said, prostitution is a symptom of an illness which we see entrenched in a law and order that exploits both men and women.

That is not to say that prostitutes are not accountable for their actions, because they are, as some do willingly participate in it, however there are also others that are manipulated which you highlighted, and they need to be helped.

Either way inaction has only deepened the problem in the area and we feel it is better to act now and mistakes than to do nothing and watch our community be taken over by kerb crawlers and pimps.

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

19/06/12

abuusamah says...

sunn wrote:
What right do this group have to go around the streets acting as self-appointed judges and juries when it comes to the whys and wherefores of people going about their lives?

This won't deal with prostitution in any meaningful way, at best it will just move it elsewhere at worst they could potentially ruin someone's life.

I'm sure they mean well, but this campaign is totally ridiculous.
Hi Sunn,

We do not intend to break any laws with this campaign, and our details are openly available to the local police and wider public should there be any concerns.

Our campaign group does recognise that it is virtually impossible to eradicate prostitution completely, and made it clear in our correspondence with the Waltham Forest Guardian about this fact.

The purpose of the campaign is to create awareness about the issue, which we feel has been very successful (albeit on a local level) and to also minimise the levels of prostitution in the area.

The underlying cause behind prostitution is fundamentally rooted in bad governance. We need to remove the people at the top for those at the bottom i.e. us, to reap any real, long term benefit.

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

19/06/12

Brisbane says...

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to legalise and regulate prostitution so it can take place in designated premises away from residential areas?
Just think of the advantages. No hassle for residents and passing women. Safer premises so women and punters are less likely to be the victims of violence. Regular police/council checks that there us no one underage or working against their will. We could even tax it. A win/win scenario I would say.

20/06/12

abuusamah says...

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Our first night patrol went ahead successfully on 19th June 2012, with 15-20 members confronting and shaming pimps, prostitutes and kerb crawlers.

Check out our video in the following link: http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=rdcx7rDsq
Kk

Please remember to visit our blog www.notoprostitution
.blogspot.co.uk

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

20/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Helen and Harry J:

If you don't think my description is fair, take a close look at their website. It's not just prostitutes they want to harass-- it's *any* woman who dares to wear what they deem to be skimpy clothing, and *anyone* who chooses to have sex outside of marriage. They view what they say is 'suggestive' advertising as a 'serious crime'. They say an 'Islamic solution' is the way to deal with all these problems. And they make it very clear that they *don't* believe in political participation!

I absolutely stand by my description of this group as 'religious nutters'.

20/06/12

Techno3 says...

ScottD1 wrote:
@ Helen and Harry J:

If you don't think my description is fair, take a close look at their website. It's not just prostitutes they want to harass-- it's *any* woman who dares to wear what they deem to be skimpy clothing, and *anyone* who chooses to have sex outside of marriage. They view what they say is 'suggestive' advertising as a 'serious crime'. They say an 'Islamic solution' is the way to deal with all these problems. And they make it very clear that they *don't* believe in political participation!

I absolutely stand by my description of this group as 'religious nutters'.
They are following a plan, set out by the likes of Anjem Choudhry, to try to introduce shariah law into the UK.

20/06/12

Stow guy says...

ScottD1 wrote:
@ Helen and Harry J:

If you don't think my description is fair, take a close look at their website. It's not just prostitutes they want to harass-- it's *any* woman who dares to wear what they deem to be skimpy clothing, and *anyone* who chooses to have sex outside of marriage. They view what they say is 'suggestive' advertising as a 'serious crime'. They say an 'Islamic solution' is the way to deal with all these problems. And they make it very clear that they *don't* believe in political participation!

I absolutely stand by my description of this group as 'religious nutters'.
Walthamstow has slowly degenrated into a pimp/prostitute/drug
s infested area what is worse is that how degenerate and backward the minds of some individuals are where they cant see the harm this causes and immorality around them, but instead try to point fingers at those who try to correct what is wrong. there is something fundementally wrong with society and education in this country if it produces people that beleive it is freedom to sell your body and to stick needles in your arms and to prostitute women. and they are more suitable for a mental institute rather than these guys from this organisation.

20/06/12

LoveE18/IG8 says...

Can someone explain why the Matalan advert on the billboard near Walthamstow tube station was defaced. The one showing young ladies in fashionable clothing.

20/06/12

abuusamah says...

ScottD1 wrote:
@ Helen and Harry J:

If you don't think my description is fair, take a close look at their website. It's not just prostitutes they want to harass-- it's *any* woman who dares to wear what they deem to be skimpy clothing, and *anyone* who chooses to have sex outside of marriage. They view what they say is 'suggestive' advertising as a 'serious crime'. They say an 'Islamic solution' is the way to deal with all these problems. And they make it very clear that they *don't* believe in political participation!

I absolutely stand by my description of this group as 'religious nutters'.
ScottD1, it seems you're the only nutter around here. Nuts about inaction. Nuts about sitting back and doing nothing. Nuts about hating God. Nuts about prostitution.Nuts about your leaders.

Any how, it seems you have made an agenda from the beginning NOT to acknowledge anything from the project as being even mildly positive, but we are not concerned about your unfair and childish comments, and that's why we'll continue to contribute as much as we can to help the community of Waltham Forest.

As they say: "The moon does not heed the barking of dogs."

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

20/06/12

abbis says...

Having lived in one of the areas most talked about for the last 30 years, and having been a community worker for much of that time,,,, I support the the idea of community action. However this does not mean I support vigilanties on our streets. Direct action alone has never. and will never resolve a problem , particularly one as complex as prostitution in this borough. Mr Usamah has said that this is only one aspect of the campaign please tell us what else the intends.

There is one other question that I would like answered please.
Do you or any of your group as it stands at the moment want Shariah law introduced into our community. Either at a local level or national one,either to work in conjunction with or to supplant English common law?

I have actively fought against racism all my life . Having worked with refugee and asylum seekers from many different countries I realise that every culture has something good to offer each other. However we must not walk blindly into any situation without the information to make an informed choice. ''To support or not to support....that is the question''.

20/06/12

leyton_man says...

I think the term "scantily clad women" should ring the alarm bells, seems to me this isn't about helping the poor women trapped into working the streets as it is a chance for bunch of anti-western ideals being forced onto the rest of the community.
Are these the same helpful souls that cover up any adverts showing models in bikinis?
Lets face it, it is warm and women can choose to wear whatever they please, it should be up to them.
If this takes hold then the area will spiral down the drain even faster. Can you imagine the area attracting young couples moving out of Dalston/Islington if the wires/girlfriends think they are going to be harassed by these idiots.
The reason Bakers Arms, for example, has gone downhill is because its on the border. Stella 'awsomstow' Creasy doesn't care as it isn't the village, John Cryer won't care as its away from the newly rejuvenated Leyton.
It should be left to the police to sort out these issues, not oppressive women hating lunatics.

20/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Abu

What's childish is saying that just because I'm against criminal vigilante behaviour, I must somehow therefore be pro-prostitution, and that I must "hate God". Bullying and intimidating women is hardly the only way of dealing with the problem; in fact it won't deal with the problem at all. It's an ugly spectacle which won't win you or your community any friends.

Can I ask you simple, direct question? Is it you and/or your group that has been responsible for the criminal defacement of advertising posters in Walthamstow?

20/06/12

abuusamah says...

abbis wrote:
Having lived in one of the areas most talked about for the last 30 years, and having been a community worker for much of that time,,,, I support the the idea of community action. However this does not mean I support vigilanties on our streets. Direct action alone has never. and will never resolve a problem , particularly one as complex as prostitution in this borough. Mr Usamah has said that this is only one aspect of the campaign please tell us what else the intends.

There is one other question that I would like answered please.
Do you or any of your group as it stands at the moment want Shariah law introduced into our community. Either at a local level or national one,either to work in conjunction with or to supplant English common law?

I have actively fought against racism all my life . Having worked with refugee and asylum seekers from many different countries I realise that every culture has something good to offer each other. However we must not walk blindly into any situation without the information to make an informed choice. ''To support or not to support....that is the question''.
Hi Abbis,

Thanks for your questions. As stated earlier, the No To Prostitution was launched by Muslims inspired by the Quran and teachings of the final Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him). In particular, the following Quranic verse, can be referred to, to explain more precisely why we formed:

"Let there arise from among you groups that call to Islam, and command good and forbid evil, it is they who are successful."

We believe that the Quran and teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) contain the blueprint for community cohesion and harmony. This is because of the following Quranic reference:

"Verily, We have sent down this Book as a clarification for all matters..."

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) taught us to speak the truth wherever we are and to campaign for the rights of God, men, women, animals and all of creation.

A quick response to your questions will not allow a complete representation of our campaign, however I will say this:

We want to make the Quran and teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) win over the hearts and minds of the community, because we genuinely believe that they are the ultimate cure for ills in our society.

As Muslims we are prohibited from abandoning the Quran and teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and so can never reconcile them with any other law. That is not say that we are pro-anarchy and want to harm the society because Islam is the total opposite of that.

My question to you is you've had Labour, you've had the Conservatives and even Liberal Democrats. WHY NOT GIVE ISLAM A CHANCE?

Racism, riots, poverty, the MP's expenses scandal, pay day loans, gambling and betting shops, ****, homelessness, anti-social behaviour, disrespect of the elderly, prostitution, same-sex marriages, sky high taxes etc. are all a product of our government (past and present).

You say that every culture has good, and Islam is not about quashing goodness. But if that culture implies implementing any of the above societal ills, then that can't be right.

If you believe you have an alternative, besides trial and error, then please put it forward and we'll be happy to listen. Like I said earlier, we have a complete blueprint to success and we're proud of it.

We don't advocate walking blindly into any situation, and that's why our footsteps are always guided by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

We support Islam because we believe it has the answers, and we want you to support it too!

Abu Usamah
No To Prostitution Campaigner

notoprostitution.blo
gspot.co.uk

20/06/12

AirForceOne says...

Like all organisations, religions eventually become corrupt. Henry VIII severed ties with the Vatican as did numerous other leaders of the time.
The underpinnings of the Christian faith are generally acceptable, just as are those of the Muslim faith.
The problem is not the faith but those who seek to use/distort it to get what they want.
Does the quran condone shouting abuse at prostitutes? I don't think so. I'm sure it says that it is wrong and then another section will surely suggest that they should be helped, but it certainly does not condone verbal abuse of them.
See the video on YouTube, with Muslim men shouting "dirty prostitute". Maybe I am missing something, but surely this is going totally against the teachings that they hold so dear?

20/06/12

Walthamster says...

Oh no. I've just looked at the website and it's a recruiting campaign for an extremist religious group.

The website says "We believe that intimate relationships should only be between married couples...."

I say you're entitled to your views, but you have no right to try to force them on anyone else.

If you object to women who are "scantily clad", you need to deal with your own dirty minds.

Do you deface fashion posters to try to intimidate women out of dressing as they please? It doesn't impress anyone.

The website also says "It is our duty to invite you to embrace Islam, which basically means testifying that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah."

If such religious intolerance is the solution, it's a lot worse than the "problem".

20/06/12

LoveE18/IG8 says...

Are you going to answer ScottD1's question Abu? Just a simple yes or will suffice not a whole verse from the karan.

20/06/12

mdj says...

It's not only Muslims who perceive a moral malaise in this country, though there might be huge disagreements as the specifics of what that malaise is.Obviously street prostitution indicates social decay and neglect of an area, and it's good that the protesters seem to be targeting the customers, rather than the women.
It's fair to ask, in this close-knit community, who are these customers? Whatever the teachings of Islam, we have all heard terrible stories lately of sexual crimes carried out in Muslim communities: what do the protesters think about this? And since prostitution is, in most cases, abusive treatment of women, could we hear the opinions of the Muslim women of this area?
The reason that prostitution, and other things we may deplore, are not made illegal in themselves is that long experience has taught that greater damage usually comes from suppressing them than confining them. In previous ages we used to burn witches, and victimise lepers, and those who did so were certain of their righteousness. We can see in the present day disgusting images of young men hanged from cranes because they are, or are suspected of, being gay. As a great judge once said, 'Time has upset many fighting faiths'. Most of us prefer to live with a few grey areas in our lives.

20/06/12

ElvisDylan says...

Ive lived in Walthamstow by Queens Road and then the Bakers Arms for years and have never seen any of this supposed kerb crawling and prostitution.

I do, however, recognise some of the people from this campaign group as having been with Anjem Choudhary when he brought one of his mad Islamist groups to the Stow last year.

20/06/12

dtmgables says...

Good to see our local press doing a bit of due diligence before giving a free advertisment for these types of loonies.....

20/06/12

Techno3 says...

dtmgables wrote:
Good to see our local press doing a bit of due diligence before giving a free advertisment for these types of loonies.....
It would still have been newsworthy to mention their activities. I agree though, think it might have been helpful if the paper had delved a little deeper.

I have noticed that the WFG is good on some things but gives very superficial treatment to others. I feel some sympathy for the reporters: I think the owners of the paper have spread their reporters a bit too thin on the ground to cover an area with a population of about a quarter of a million people.

20/06/12

Redfox says...

Two viewpoints on this topic:
Firstly why isn't there any suggestion to do anything about the "scantily-clad" young schoolgirls who regularly depart from senior schools anywhere in WF having hitched-up their school uniform skirt to a level which is demeaning to themselves and an afront to passers-by of any religion?
Next, surely their should be some accomodation for the 'old toms' who are parading themselves for custom - could the council not find them some tents on their olympic campsites?

20/06/12

mdj says...

'..could the council not find them some tents on their olympic campsites?'

You may have hit on a solution for the Big6 funding shortfall there, but Big Events Camping's business plan may already have catered for this facility.

20/06/12

Mohammed1981 says...

I feel this is a excellent move by the local community. I'm happy to see that both non-muslims and muslims can work together on trying to make a better society and environment for us and our children. Its very sad to see that some people cannot see the evil of this. This has many other evils attached to this e.g disease, aids, sometimes rape, promiscuity, used condoms on the streets etc. Personally when I look deaper in to this evil i can see that the government is mainly to blame as its allowing this to go and is not doing much to stop it. keep up the good work lads :-)

20/06/12

anothere17reader says...

Mr Usamah,

In your post above, you said your key issues to tackle were:

"Racism, riots, poverty, the MP's expenses scandal, pay day loans, gambling and betting shops, ****, homelessness, anti-social behaviour, disrespect of the elderly, prostitution, same-sex marriages, sky high taxes"

I think many readers would agree with most items on this list, but I'd be interested to hear what you intend to do about same-sex marriages.

Are you going to leaflet anyone in the street who you think might be homosexual? Is your aim to remove gay people from Waltham Forest, as you wish the kerb-crawlers to be removed? Do you think rape and theft is on a par with being in a loving monogamous exclusive relationship with someone who happens to be the same gender as their partner? I think people need to know your full policies on issues such as this before expecting local support.

20/06/12

techguy123 says...

Ive seen these guys website and I think they are bieng very truthful with us, not only about the problem but also about how they are dealing with the problem. But its sad to see how everyone has the energy to account these guys. But where are the people to account the authorities,council and police would not that make sense since due to their neglect these guys are taking to the streets.

20/06/12

Muslim Women says...

I am a Muslim women from Walthamstow , i think this is an excellent idea and its pleasing to know there are still some people who care about society , at a time when moral and values are declining . Its good to know that Muslims in Walthamstow wish to improve it for the better , even though these politicians have let us down! Yet again !

20/06/12

Muslim Women says...

i fully support this campaign ! All the way! clean the streets

20/06/12

Abu AbdulGhafoor says...

Amazing to see and hear the Muslims are coming out to condemn this evil that is a scourge to our society.

A great effort and may Allah (swt) bless this work of forbidding the evil.

20/06/12

Abu AbdulGhafoor says...

Amazing to see and hear the Muslims are coming out to condemn this evil that is a scourge to our society.

A great effort and may Allah (swt) bless this work of forbidding the evil.

20/06/12

abbis says...

Mr Usamah...Not only did you NOT answer my question but...quote ''Give Islam a chance'',unquote ...What in my post made you think that I am not a Muslim? As well as many cultures there are many faiths. The Quran teaches that we should respect other religions of the book.
Your Islam is not the same as mine. Christians have a couple of saying from The Holy Bible that seem appropriate, Judge not lest ye be judged and Do unto others as you would be done by.

20/06/12

E Blair says...

The obvious thing to say is
"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

I don't like prostitution or communists but these are modern day Nazis.
These people are anti prostitutes because Islam is anti prostitution.However the Koran also says
" Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."



Who will they come after next the Jews? The Gays? The Christians?

It is so scary that these people can do this.

20/06/12

Orchard2486 says...

I live in walthamstow area and i see the filth of prostitution around the queen road area and I'm truly happy to see some people addressing this evil.
Fantastic!..At least someone doing something about this infectious decease in our community.

Well done boys; Keep it up. :-))

20/06/12

Amaretto says...

* makes mental note not to dare to walk around Lea Bridge road dressed up when on my way out in an evening in case I get mistaken for a "lady of the night"...

20/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Abu

I think it's very interesting that you've chosen not to answer my question regarding the criminal defacement of posters. If the answer is "no", why not just say it? It does make me wonder if perhaps, although you're very keen for *others* to take responsibility for their actions, you don't apply quite the same rigorous standards to yourself.

But leaving that aside, can I appeal to you-- as one human being to another-- to stop this irresponsible behaviour? Under the Public Order Act 1986, using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour likely to cause harassment is an offence. I think it's self-evident that screaming insulting abuse at women in the streets contravenes this law-- whether they're prostitutes or not (which is by no means clear from your video).

20/06/12

abbis says...

WELL SAID E BLAIR

21/06/12

Dr Afshan Butt says...

Wish the campaign every success...

21/06/12

Stow guy says...

techguy123 wrote:
Ive seen these guys website and I think they are bieng very truthful with us, not only about the problem but also about how they are dealing with the problem. But its sad to see how everyone has the energy to account these guys. But where are the people to account the authorities,council and police would not that make sense since due to their neglect these guys are taking to the streets.
This is far by the best post. I agree why is everyone scrutinizing the organisation when it is trying to do something good. whilst the police and councillors just give empty promises and sweet words to make the us feel as though they are doing something clearly from the voice message it is not being taking seriously i think more from the community need to come out and make a fuss.

21/06/12

Mohammed f Christ says...

Walthamster wrote:
Oh no. I've just looked at the website and it's a recruiting campaign for an extremist religious group.

The website says "We believe that intimate relationships should only be between married couples...."

I say you're entitled to your views, but you have no right to try to force them on anyone else.

If you object to women who are "scantily clad", you need to deal with your own dirty minds.

Do you deface fashion posters to try to intimidate women out of dressing as they please? It doesn't impress anyone.

The website also says "It is our duty to invite you to embrace Islam, which basically means testifying that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah."

If such religious intolerance is the solution, it's a lot worse than the "problem".
These arrogant, dogmatic scum do not represent the Community. How dare they walk the streets intimidating and threatening anyone they 'decide' is a prostitute- and that nonsense about fighting 'evil' is crass ignorance and self-interest. When will any Muslim do something genuinely good in the community; such as supporting or helping the Homeless? Or are they also 'evil'? Why are they always telling the world how it needs to change to fit hypocritical, selfish Muslim needs?? When will good peaceful ,Muslims get involved with this radical element for some form of moral and societal education to stop this arrogant madness?

21/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Stow Guy

They may be trying to 'do good', in fact I'm sure they genuinely think they are. But what they're doing won't solve the problem, is morally appalling in itself, and is criminal behaviour. Does the criminal behavior of others justify further criminal behaviour in response? Clearly not.

21/06/12

Stow guy says...

ScottD1 wrote:
@ Stow Guy

They may be trying to 'do good', in fact I'm sure they genuinely think they are. But what they're doing won't solve the problem, is morally appalling in itself, and is criminal behaviour. Does the criminal behavior of others justify further criminal behaviour in response? Clearly not.
I think what they are doing needs to be done due to the lack of interest by the police and the council. you seem to be blaming these guys alot when they only took to the streets when the police and council didnt get involved. why dont you critisize the police and council wouldnt that be more beneficial, or can you still not see that if the police and council actually did something they could rid this problem from the streets much quicker?

21/06/12

Localimmigrant says...

I just wondered how NoToProstitution can tell prostitutes apart from normal women (when they're not leaning into car windows) and kerb crawlers from people slowing down to stare at the people holding placards.

Whilst I would like to see a reduction of the exploitation of women in prostitution, I'm unsure how shouting at random people is going to achieve this.

21/06/12

Walthamster says...

E Blair wrote:
The obvious thing to say is
"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

I don't like prostitution or communists but these are modern day Nazis.
These people are anti prostitutes because Islam is anti prostitution.However the Koran also says
" Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."



Who will they come after next the Jews? The Gays? The Christians?

It is so scary that these people can do this.
Any homophobic, woman-hating nutters who think they can intimidate people in Walthamstow are going to have a fight on their hands.

They're already throwing their weight around in Tower Hamlets. Let's be better prepared for them here.

21/06/12

ElvisDylan says...

This campaign is not about helping the local community, its about a bunch of extremist nutters trying to raise their profile.

21/06/12

techguy123 says...

It's funny how these people that hate Islam and Muslims are hating this campaign... if you really think the people are wrong then why not show us how its done... unless you "trade "with them

21/06/12

myopinioncounts says...

"I live in walthamstow area and i see the filth of prostitution around the queen road area" - I too live in (another part of) Walthamstow and have seen the filth of litter in Queens Road -particularly on the railway embankment. Can this group tackle this problem first? How can they see this mess and do nothing about it?

21/06/12

Localimmigrant says...

techguy123 wrote:
It's funny how these people that hate Islam and Muslims are hating this campaign... if you really think the people are wrong then why not show us how its done... unless you "trade "with them
Apart from a couple of obvious comments, I see very little Islamaphobia in this thread.

I certainly don't hate Islam, or Muslims, but I do hate homophobia, misogyny and oppression.

There are plenty of groups around who work to try and take women out of prostitution. I think this is a very constructive approach. Would the No To Prostitution Campaign consider working with these groups? Here's a couple of links to get started with:
http://www.rapecrisi
slondon.org/content/
prostitution-and-tra
fficking

http://www.eavesforw
omen.org.uk/about-ea
ves/our-projects/the
-poppy-project

21/06/12

Arthur22 says...

Shouting you dirty filthy prostitute to some women that you don't know is a breach of the peace.
Had they spoken to my wife or daughters like that I would at the least have had them arrested.

This is Islamists trying to take over an area, how long before it becomes a no go area for anyone but muslims.

21/06/12

G. Robertson says...

I havent read all the comments as it is clear there is some kind of extremism on both sides in them, one section is overly religious using terminology like "scantily clad ladies" and the other are borderline racists.
I just wish to add to this discussion that women working on the streets need help and not to be stigmatized. Prostitution in this way is extremely dangerous. What these people should be doing is offering help to these women, and it shouldn't be men doing the "helping". An extremely large percentage of people who use prostitutes are Muslim men (like it or not it's a fact) if the people in this area REALLY want to help these women then I suggest women's groups get out and start talking to them, not a religious grouping of predominately men.
More generally, we need to legalise prostitution not criminalise it as some people are suggesting, in Holland its completely legal and they have far far less of the problems we have because of that, wake up and smell the rose people (and when I say rose I mean facts, proven and tested FACTS! Religious morals have no place in a serious discussion on prostitution)

21/06/12

ScottD1 says...

How is screaming abuse at random people (most of whom probably aren't even prostitutes) something that 'needs to he done'? This isn't a rational response to a problem, it's just bullying and thuggery. It won't solve prostitution, it'll just make miserable women's lives that little bit more miserable, and perhaps eventually push them on to a different neighbourhood.

What this group are doing is far worse than the prostitution they are purporting to solve. And to say the council and police are doing nothing is just wrong. Prostitution is a complex and difficult issue; it requires more subtle (and less visible) responses than screaming abuse at people.

21/06/12

VillageIdiot69 says...

Maybe we should get those two cage fighters from Wales to dress up again and walk up and down Lea Bridge Road/Queens Road.

Let's see how brave abuusamah and his mob of vigilantes are when faced with someone who fights back.

21/06/12

abuusamah says...

Arthur22 wrote:
Shouting you dirty filthy prostitute to some women that you don't know is a breach of the peace.
Had they spoken to my wife or daughters like that I would at the least have had them arrested.

This is Islamists trying to take over an area, how long before it becomes a no go area for anyone but muslims.
Apologies everyone. Our members have been busy with other projects and were unable to respond to these messages. I will try my best to answer some of them.

Arthur, all women accused of prostitution were either self-confessed prostitutes or 'caught in the act', soliciting sex with kerb crawlers.

No profanities were uttered, our presence was highly visible, with several members of public in the vicinity; had there been a 'breach of peace' we would have been reported. However, not a single police officer approached us to caution our behaviour.

If you don't like the term 'dirty filthy prostitute' please advise us on terms that you feel are more appropriate. Perhaps, 'stop breaching the peace' could be applied to them?

Abu Usamah

No To Prostitution Campaigner
notoprostitution.blo
gspot.co.uk

21/06/12

fannyhill says...

As a woman born in Walthamstow I have never seen these purported kerb crawlers and prostitutes. The "problem" if in existence, is over exaggerated here and this story has merely been used as a forum to promote and dictate the teachings of Islam. Prostitution is known as the oldest profession and a global issue, and obviously very difficult to eradicate entirely. Let the law, authorities and charities do their job to understand, prevent and help in the rightful manner.

21/06/12

abuusamah says...

ScottD1 wrote:
How is screaming abuse at random people (most of whom probably aren't even prostitutes) something that 'needs to he done'? This isn't a rational response to a problem, it's just bullying and thuggery. It won't solve prostitution, it'll just make miserable women's lives that little bit more miserable, and perhaps eventually push them on to a different neighbourhood.

What this group are doing is far worse than the prostitution they are purporting to solve. And to say the council and police are doing nothing is just wrong. Prostitution is a complex and difficult issue; it requires more subtle (and less visible) responses than screaming abuse at people.
Hi Scott,

As I said to Arthur, all women accused of prostitution were either self-confessed prostitutes or caught in the act soliciting sex with kerb crawlers.

Calling it an irrational response to the problem, is a poor judgement of the situation, and not reflective of the overwhelmingly positive response we received from the community on the night. To call a verbal protest bullying and thuggery is also highly exaggerative, and does not correspond to the fact that not a single member of our patrol group were cautioned by the local police.

To call what we are doing as far worse than prostitution itself makes me question your sanity. Again, you appear to be dramatising the events with rancour, as opposed to offering constructive criticism.

As I stated earlier, we did not claim that protesting against prostitution will eradicate it, but rather it is just one of the tools we are using in our Islamic cachet to solve the problem.

If I were to give it to you that the council and police 'were trying their best' this still does not deter from the fact that their hands are tied by laws which undermine their efforts.

Inevitably, it is the government at the top which we are targeting, to deal a mortal blow to the exploitation of men and women in society.

By the way, just a small correction on one of your comments: it is unrepresentative to label all women engaged in prostitution as miserable, as some opt for it freely and enjoy the trade. In fact, the bulk of aggression we received on the night were from the prostitutes themselves and not the pimps. May God help us.

Abu Usamah

No To Prositution Campaigner

21/06/12

ElvisDylan says...

Go to the video on their site here...

http://www.notoprost
itution.blogspot.co.
uk/

In the background, just behind the speaker, youll see Abu Izzadeen who you can read all about here...

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2020382/You-entering
-Sharia-law-Britain-
As-Islamic-extremist
s-declare-Sharia-law
-zone-London-suburb-
worrying-social-mora
l-implications.html

21/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Abu

So these women helpfully approached you and your group of brave thugs and simply volunteered the information that they were prostitutes? That seems unlikely, to put it mildly. Whether they're prostitutes or not, you're still breaking the law: take a look at the wording of the public order legislation if you're in doubt.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question about the defacement of advertising posters.

21/06/12

ElvisDylan says...

You can read more about Mr Izadeen (AKA Trevor Brooks) including his arrests and membership of banned extremist organisations here...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Abu_Izzadee
n

21/06/12

abuusamah says...

LoveE18/IG8 wrote:
Can someone explain why the Matalan advert on the billboard near Walthamstow tube station was defaced. The one showing young ladies in fashionable clothing.
Hi Love E18/IG8

Yes, I think I know which adverts you are referring to. We can't take credit for it, but it's great to see people from the community being pro-active. I personally couldn't stand them.

Thanks, for bringing it to our attention.

Abu Usamah

No To Prostitution Campaigner

21/06/12

anothere17reader says...

I repeat my earlier question in the hope it might be answered this time:


Mr Usamah,

In your post above, you said your key issues to tackle were:

"Racism, riots, poverty, the MP's expenses scandal, pay day loans, gambling and betting shops, ****, homelessness, anti-social behaviour, disrespect of the elderly, prostitution, same-sex marriages, sky high taxes"

I think many readers would agree with most items on this list, but I'd be interested to hear what you intend to do about same-sex marriages.

Are you going to leaflet anyone in the street who you think might be homosexual? Is your aim to remove gay people from Waltham Forest, as you wish the kerb-crawlers to be removed? Do you think rape and theft is on a par with being in a loving monogamous exclusive relationship with someone who happens to be the same gender as their partner? I think people need to know your full policies on issues such as this before expecting local support.

21/06/12

E17_er says...

abuusamah wrote:
LoveE18/IG8 wrote:
Can someone explain why the Matalan advert on the billboard near Walthamstow tube station was defaced. The one showing young ladies in fashionable clothing.
Hi Love E18/IG8

Yes, I think I know which adverts you are referring to. We can't take credit for it, but it's great to see people from the community being pro-active. I personally couldn't stand them.

Thanks, for bringing it to our attention.

Abu Usamah

No To Prostitution Campaigner
Nutter confirmed

21/06/12

dtmgables says...

@abuusamah

'By the way, just a small correction on one of your comments: it is unrepresentative to label all women engaged in prostitution as miserable, as some opt for it freely and enjoy the trade.'

REALLY? You think these women enjoy this?? I think this tells me a lot about how your minds work!!

21/06/12

Walthamster says...

I'm just stunned that these people admit they shout "dirty filthy prostitute" at women in the street!

Could you keep your dirty filthy behaviour indoors, please, Mr Usamah?

21/06/12

Arthur22 says...

I watched the video and the words dirty filthy prostitutes were used.
I cannot believe for one minute that any women would when faced with a mob of people like that would then confess to being a prostitute.
Maybe your idea of a
prostitute is decided by the clothing they wear or the amount of it.

Women here have the freedom to dress how they please, perhaps that frightens you, women with freedom.

In the video I saw a women running away, how brave of you to induce fear into a lone women, it called harassment and that too is against the law. English law which supersedes your gods law.

If you wish to live by your sharia, please do so, you have my full support but please do not bring it to our streets.

21/06/12

maniac says...

They are religeos nutters They are ellegal they should go back to school and learn we have a established legal system in the uk and they should learn to live by it and not try force on us all their mumbo jumbo

21/06/12

Arthur22 says...

Would I be right in saying that this group are part of Anjam Chouderys group. Their faces look familiar.

21/06/12

LoveE18/IG8 says...

abuusamah wrote:
LoveE18/IG8 wrote:
Can someone explain why the Matalan advert on the billboard near Walthamstow tube station was defaced. The one showing young ladies in fashionable clothing.
Hi Love E18/IG8

Yes, I think I know which adverts you are referring to. We can't take credit for it, but it's great to see people from the community being pro-active. I personally couldn't stand them.

Thanks, for bringing it to our attention.

Abu Usamah

No To Prostitution Campaigner
Usamah,

Well i personally like those posters, they remind me of very pleasant holidays in the mediterranean i have been on. Also, before they were defaced, they used to brighten up my day on the way to work in the morning.

What right have you and your followers/supporters got to dictate to me what i can and can't see on billboard posters and to deface them?

21/06/12

Techno3 says...

Arthur22 wrote:
Would I be right in saying that this group are part of Anjam Chouderys group. Their faces look familiar.
Yes, they do indeed. One theory is that the authorities don't deal with this small group because several of them are in fact working for a variety of intelligence agencies, including the CIA, trying to attract other extremists to join them so they can get intelligence.

That does not excuse their behaviour though. So it that rumour is true, can I please ask the spooks who control them to steer them towards something more socially useful, like picking up litter or eating ice-cream under the 'Prevent' programme, and leave the maintenance of law and order in a modern democracy to the police?

21/06/12

Arthur22 says...

You're right Techno, leave policing to the police, must be scary for locals with these people on our streets.

21/06/12

Techno3 says...

Arthur22 wrote:
You're right Techno, leave policing to the police, must be scary for locals with these people on our streets.
To be fair, these boys mainly look to me like wannabes and would probably not say booh to a goose if they were alone, but banded together into their fantasy vigilante roadblock, while being misled by the older chaps who are exploiting their loneliness and desire to join in, who knows how they could get carried away?

21/06/12

Localimmigrant says...

dtmgables wrote:
@abuusamah

'By the way, just a small correction on one of your comments: it is unrepresentative to label all women engaged in prostitution as miserable, as some opt for it freely and enjoy the trade.'

REALLY? You think these women enjoy this?? I think this tells me a lot about how your minds work!!
This type of vilification allows them to legitimize the bullying and abuse of these woman and also allows them to spurn other, more constructive approaches to decreasing prostitution. They can effectively persist in their unsupported dogmatic ad threatening approach.

21/06/12

maniac says...

sorry for the spelling mistakes guys i think you understand what i mean

21/06/12

abuusamah says...

Unfortunately, there are too many messages for us to respond comprehensively. However, I would like to say that we really appreciate all of the support we've received for the project, especially from the local community.

We ask all Muslims who read this to make dua (supplication) to keep us steadfast and to unite Muslims everywhere by the Quran and Sunnah, upon the understanding of the companions of Muhammad (saw).

To all non-Muslims, we invite you to embrace Islam by declaring none has the right to be followed, worshipped or obeyed besides Allah, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His final messenger. We warn you of the Day of Judgement, where all of our deeds will be brought forth and accounted. We also warn you of hell-fire, where the fire is black and the food is bitter and the water does not quench the thirst. We also give you glad tidings of Paradise, where there are gardens under which rivers flow: rivers of milk, honey, water and wine, where the bricks of houses are made from gold and silver, and the mortar out of musk. We call you to be among the companions of Paradise, by worshipping the One true God, Allah, and establishing regular prayer, observing fasts, giving in charity, looking after the poor and needy, fulfilling the rights of the neighbour and to speak to the truth wherever you are.

If there are any mistakes that we have made in our project, then they are from us, and if there has been any benefit that has occurred, it is all from Allah.

Peace be upon those that follow the guidance.

Abu Usamah

No To Prostitution Campaigner

www.notoprostitution
.blogspot.co.uk

21/06/12

Down With This Sort Of Thing says...

Yep. Religious nutters.

21/06/12

merry_christmas says...

I'm sure I have seen the white guy from the youtube link in exteremist articles - this is just a PR stunt to promote their radical beliefs.

21/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ abuusamah

Apologies, I missed your earlier post in reply to mine.

You claim the police are effectively useless, but then in almost the same breath you say the fact that they didn't caution you shows that you're doing nothing wrong. You can't have it both ways; are the police useless or not?

You also say it's an exaggeration to say your "verbal protest" (a euphemism if I ever heard one) is bullying or thuggery. Please, I ask you, put yourself in the shoes, just for a second, of the women you're targeting. How do you think it would feel if, alone and defenceless on a dark street at night, you were confronted by a large group of angry, screaming men? Do you think it's possible you might feel just a *bit* intimidated and scared? Do you think that-- just maybe-- you might feel a little upset by the abusive terms they were shouting at you? Do you think it possible that you might actually feel threatened by this large group of men, that you might fear physical attack?

It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see how what you're doing constitutes threatening and abusive behaviour, and is therefore contrary to the law of this land. I don't think you're stupid; I think you're quite capable of realising that what you're doing is morally wrong. I just wonder what makes you think you're above the law, what makes you superior to the rest of us?

22/06/12

Stow guy says...

Arthur22 wrote:
I watched the video and the words dirty filthy prostitutes were used.
I cannot believe for one minute that any women would when faced with a mob of people like that would then confess to being a prostitute.
Maybe your idea of a
prostitute is decided by the clothing they wear or the amount of it.

Women here have the freedom to dress how they please, perhaps that frightens you, women with freedom.

In the video I saw a women running away, how brave of you to induce fear into a lone women, it called harassment and that too is against the law. English law which supersedes your gods law.

If you wish to live by your sharia, please do so, you have my full support but please do not bring it to our streets.
i wonder how they tell who is a prostitute or not cause like already suggested in other posts prostitute or no prostitute the women today wear hardly any clothes anyway. oh yeah i forgot thats their freedom. just remind me is that something praiseworhty or just a sign of a male dominated soceity that have kerbed their female counter parts into believing the less they wear the better. sounds a bit backwards to me. what is even more backwards i just read prostitution is actually legal in the UK and is like a proffesion which women can do to earn money OMG. I dont think i want my daughter growing up in a filthy society like that. it seems these guys have highlighted some things which i didnt realise before, no wonder the police and council dont do anything. how messed up is that! considering we live in the 21st century it seems the problem is bigger than i thought.

22/06/12

Walthamster says...

Stow Guy, as your friends are wearing frocks in the photo above, I'm surprised that you object to other people's choice of clothing!

You say "i wonder how they tell who is a prostitute or not cause like already suggested in other posts prostitute or no prostitute the women today wear hardly any clothes anyway. oh yeah i forgot thats their freedom."

So you're not really bothered about prostitution, are you? What your group really objects to is women having the freedom to dress and act as they like, within the law.

They're not really wearing "hardly any clothes". That's your view, distorted by your obsession with sex. But they are entitled to wear what they like, and you are breaking the law by abusing them.

22/06/12

maniac says...

THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOES NOT FALL FOR YOUR PROPANDA AND STUPIDITY. SHARIA HAS NO PLACE IN A MODERN SOCIETY GO AWAY AND LEAVE POLICE MATTERS ALONE

22/06/12

Double trouble says...

Just had a look through comments and looked into this sharia law.Frightening read.I have seen it written on hate banners carried by these people.The same hate banners that say Go to hell british police.go to hell british troops.

22/06/12

Techno3 says...

The man who is the second from the left in the above picture, wearing a the beige hat, has been identified as a member of Muslims Against Crusades by The Times. This is the, now banned, organisation which Anjem Choudhury ran.

They once wanted to cause trouble at Wooton Basset and at one point was running a campaign called 'Hell for Heroes'. The idea may have been to provoke a reaction so they could pretend that Islam was being persecuted, which of course it is not in the UK. Many of the supporters of this group are actually converts who have no understanding of how little their version of islam is respected by other muslims or in the 'Islamic' world. Their information about the religion has been carefully fed to them - some allege in local mosques and madrassas - but local religious leaders deny this, and on the whole I am inclined to believe them. These people really are weird.

Most muslims I have discussed them with think they are an embarrassing joke and would have nothing to do with such a group. (They are as representaive of Islam as the Plymouth Bretheran are of Christianity.)

On 30th July 2011 MAC held a failed 'Islamic Emirates March' from Leyton Underground Station to Walthamstow Central. Choudhaury had boasted that he would turn up with 'thousands of Islamic Cops' to set up Shariah law in Walthamstow. In the end the event was a damp squib, as were other ones they tried to organise when they masqueraded as 'Islam For The UK'. They have also been known as Al-muhajiroun. (There are as many names and failed campaigns this tiny group have been involved in as at a Socialist Party 'mass rally'). They do, though, listen to the police quite carefully when necessary, contrary to the impression they are pretending to give in the quotes above: In November 2010 they took the advice of the police to cancel a march in Westminster, when it became clear that they were endangering themselves, such were the levels of anger from some sections of the general public. They held it in the Town Square in Walthamstow instead, which is interesting, as our council has in the past pretended they will clamp down on such intolerant people in our public spaces, but when actually for once offered the opportunity to put thier money where their mouth is and stand up for the ideology they like to call 'multi-culturalism' and spend so many hundreds of thousands of pounds promoting each year, the council have signally failed to do anything useful about this small group.

22/06/12

everoptimistic says...

Who are these men to tell women how to behave or what to wear? I love this country because it gives me the freedom to be equal to men. If I want to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in the summer then it's up to me. And men, please feel free to wear shorts and vests. It's easy not to look if you don't want to see a bit of healthy skin. Perhaps it's time for the ladies of Waltham Forest to organise a '**** walk' in the James St area. That should scare these holier than thou men away

22/06/12

everoptimistic says...

perhaps I should have said a slovenly woman walk

22/06/12

Techno3 says...

everoptimistic wrote:
Who are these men to tell women how to behave or what to wear? I love this country because it gives me the freedom to be equal to men. If I want to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in the summer then it's up to me. And men, please feel free to wear shorts and vests. It's easy not to look if you don't want to see a bit of healthy skin. Perhaps it's time for the ladies of Waltham Forest to organise a '**** walk' in the James St area. That should scare these holier than thou men away
These people do not operate in St James's street as far as I am aware, (we are still waiting for a statement on Councillor Ali to confirm this) so such a walk would possibly be pointless tokenism.

Why not try Leyton?

22/06/12

quickfix says...

I think Julia Gillard, Australian Prime Minister, recently summed up a lot of our feelings on the subject of Shariah law and immigration....shame none of our PM's have the same balls!!!

22/06/12

Walthamster says...

Techno3 wrote:
everoptimistic wrote:
Who are these men to tell women how to behave or what to wear? I love this country because it gives me the freedom to be equal to men. If I want to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in the summer then it's up to me. And men, please feel free to wear shorts and vests. It's easy not to look if you don't want to see a bit of healthy skin. Perhaps it's time for the ladies of Waltham Forest to organise a '**** walk' in the James St area. That should scare these holier than thou men away
These people do not operate in St James's street as far as I am aware, (we are still waiting for a statement on Councillor Ali to confirm this) so such a walk would possibly be pointless tokenism.

Why not try Leyton?
That's what I thought, Techno. But Mr Usamah named St James Street as one of the areas he's "concerned" about. In other words, presumably, he's planning to go and hassle women there too.

22/06/12

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
everoptimistic wrote:
Who are these men to tell women how to behave or what to wear? I love this country because it gives me the freedom to be equal to men. If I want to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in the summer then it's up to me. And men, please feel free to wear shorts and vests. It's easy not to look if you don't want to see a bit of healthy skin. Perhaps it's time for the ladies of Waltham Forest to organise a '**** walk' in the James St area. That should scare these holier than thou men away
These people do not operate in St James's street as far as I am aware, (we are still waiting for a statement on Councillor Ali to confirm this) so such a walk would possibly be pointless tokenism.

Why not try Leyton?
That's what I thought, Techno. But Mr Usamah named St James Street as one of the areas he's "concerned" about. In other words, presumably, he's planning to go and hassle women there too.
These people are serial exaggerators, who are mainly interested in publicity. Their claims for their 'political' activities, and their statements about the support they have, needs to be seen in that light. They have said on many occaissions that they would turn up places and do various things, but have not in fact acted on most of their statements: the purpose of their statements being to get the attention of the press and a reaction more than to actually achieve any of the things they claim they want. They remind me of student union politicians in that respect and have a lot in common with many of the councillors in our local authority who are also all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas.

The truth is, if these boys really wanted to live in a system of shariah law, they could hop on a plane at any time and go to a country where such legal systems exist. They won't do that. The reasons for this we can speculate about but the fact is that far from rejecting British society, they are fascinated by it.

Some say they also enjoy sponging on the dole too much to want to leave. Others say they are under the orders of their paymasters, be they in Langley or Saudi Arabia. Others still simply think they enjoy the cheap local attention that notoriety gets them - no-one would pay them any attention at all if they just went about following their religion like most other law abiding Muslims. In which case, far from being unique and interestingly original individuals, they may be as much a product of our narcissistic culture as any of the wannabes who audition for Britian's Got Talent or the X Factor, only these boys don't sing or dance very well.

22/06/12

Arthur22 says...

As a local the question I would like to ask is are these men in fact local and I don't think they are, so I'd like to ask where are they actually from.

I think that they have picked on our area because I have seen little evidence that it is some sort of red light district and I find that a little insulting.

They say that the police don't do any thing and perhaps that is because there is little to do.

24/06/12

myopinioncounts says...

A teacher friend of mine was regularly 'approached' by muslim men when she lived in West London. They seemed to think that as a women she should not be out alone late at night and was 'easy pickings'. Although a confident woman she moved away from the area as she felt unsafe.

24/06/12

G. Robertson says...

I'm going to start approaching Muslims on the street and shouting "extremist nutter" at them as clearly these muslim nutters like that kind of thing, maybe even call them transvestites being as they like to wear those dresses.

Let's keep religious nutters off our streets

24/06/12

legseleven says...

I have often wondered why people with deep faiths stay in a godforsaken country like ours, where inappropriately dressed wimmin cavort themselves around the streets of this land. People quaffing alcohol openly on the bye-ways and highways and ginormous posters of scantily clad females up on high for all to see!

Why are deeply religious people not in a convent, monastery or in a land that enforces strict codes of decency with the mutaween patrolling the streets handing out lashings, stonings and the removal of offending appendages?
I would not dare to loiter on the street corner of Ajyad St, Makkah telling women to cover up or asking a passerby if he had a bottle opener for my beer! Ah well I am only an infidel in a handcart going...

24/06/12

Walthamster says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
A teacher friend of mine was regularly 'approached' by muslim men when she lived in West London. They seemed to think that as a women she should not be out alone late at night and was 'easy pickings'. Although a confident woman she moved away from the area as she felt unsafe.
Your friend's bad experience isn't unusual. It's the classic double standard. Sex-obsessed men blame women for 'tempting' them -- it would be funny if they weren't so dangerous.

24/06/12

abuusamah says...

Great news everyone! We've made a national newspaper. Click on the following link to view the article: http://i45.tinypic.c
om/r2q3c8.jpg

Abu Usamah

No To Prostitution Team

25/06/12

abuusamah says...

Here's the direct link to the online article: http://www.dailystar
.co.uk/posts/view/25
8377/Islamist-fanati
cs-target-Brit-sex-w
orkers/

25/06/12

maniac says...

you make news allright- bad news

25/06/12

pan says...

Why do people resort to using the same old rhetoric when discussing these issues?

It is not racist to disagree with Islam or Muslims as its a religion not a race.

To oppose it does not make you an extremist it means that you disagree, to disagree is actually a position you should be able to take in a democracy.

This group are jumping the gun. The authorities are notoriously slow at acting and that just has to be accepted. The authorities have to consider all angles and are bound by many rules and regulations designed to encompass all belief's and view points. Just because one group has decided enough is enough it does not give them the right to act against or outside of our societies rules and laws.

The views of this group are illiberal, regressive and oppressive, as such they have no place in what we are led to believe is a progressive society.That is if you believe in and support the strive towards a multi-cultural, cosmopolitan society.

The trouble here is that the very tolerance that has been shown towards these people in an effort to become cohesive as a society is now being thrown back in our face. Liberalism and permissiveness is a breeding ground for extremism so the do-gooders can pat themselves on their backs for this one and sit and wonder why and how they deal with the ever increasing divide in our towns and cities between "communities".

This group will have now started something that has a wider implication for many towns and cities. "Communities" acting in their own interests declaring that they are fed up with waiting for authorities to act and declaring the authorities in second place to belief, religion or ideology is exactly what a tolerant a society can not deal with, therefore opposition groups will get stronger and mobilise.

Back to the seventies it looks like. We have gone full circle and the horse is about to bite the hand that feeds.

25/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Abu

Are we to assume from your proud boasting that you're continuing with your criminal and immoral activities?

25/06/12

ScottD1 says...

@ Abu

Are we to assume from your proud boasting that you're continuing with your criminal and immoral activities?

25/06/12

Arthur22 says...

Pan,good post, well said.

25/06/12

ChingfordLad says...

I might just start walking up to muslim women and shouting 'ninja' at them, hows that sound? people like you lot make me sick, trying to force your fanatical religious beliefs on others and then being proud that you are being associated to terrorists? you sound like a lovely community group dont you... If you dont like the way we operate, dress or go about our business in OUR country, feel free to get on the next boat home!

25/06/12

I.Ride says...

ChingfordLad wrote:
I might just start walking up to muslim women and shouting 'ninja' at them, hows that sound? people like you lot make me sick, trying to force your fanatical religious beliefs on others and then being proud that you are being associated to terrorists? you sound like a lovely community group dont you... If you dont like the way we operate, dress or go about our business in OUR country, feel free to get on the next boat home!
Yes this is what i like too see, putting things in perspective!! One time in England it was A white majority everywhere you went, almost everyone was a Christian and people had respect for each other people would help you in the street. Now whats happened, Look out the window? Things changed it got more multi-cultural that was good gave people ideas and taught people. Now its ridiculous. English Pride is slipping away!

English man.
No To stupid Non-English people.
Get some pride!

25/06/12

shariaforsweden says...

Very good campaign. Gretings from Sweden.

26/06/12

Double trouble says...

shariaforsweden wrote:
Very good campaign. Gretings from Sweden.
It would be a good campaign to you shariaforsweden.Your name says it all.Looking further into this sharia law farce it seems as though women have no rights.I did not know of this law until i seen this article.I'm glad i have now it shows people to search for what sharia law is. Barbaric. Why not just stone these prostitutes and pimps to death in the street instead of shaming them.That is what sharia law does is it not?.

27/06/12

abuusamah says...

Hi everyone. You can watch clips from our second night patrol by visiting the following link http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=FaIAnK75W
rc or visit www.notoprostitution
.blogspot.co.uk

27/06/12

maniac says...

NO thanks I and others are TIRED of your farce go and run up a tree, a very tall one- thanks

28/06/12

Arthur22 says...

Non of these links work.

30/06/12

Arthur22 says...

Is it not true that at least one of your group has just been arrested for a suspected terrorist offence.
Jamil appears in the first minute of your video.


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