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British aviation took off in Walthamstow – so why isn’t the council celebrating?

Photograph of the Author By Janet Wright »

One hundred years ago this month, an Edwardian gentleman wheeled a bizarre-looking contraption out of his workshop under a Walthamstow railway arch. It had a motorbike engine -- made down the road in Tottenham – plus bicycle wheels and three sets of fragile wings. A few curious bystanders watched as he clambered in and started the engine.

Then Alliott Verdon Roe took a wobbly ride across Walthamstow marshes, lifted off and soared into history. A. V. Roe had made the first all-British manned flight.

Not surprisingly, this centenary is being celebrated by the aviation industry and across the country. If it had happened anywhere else, the local council would seize the opportunity to praise its famous son and celebrate the area’s wealth of inventiveness.

But not in Waltham Forest, where the council shows an extraordinary disdain for its people and history. (Remember their efforts to get rid of the unique and world-class William Morris art collection? And their failure to save Walthamstow Dog Track by refusing permission for change of use?) A replica from Roe’s pioneering plane was unveiled, by his descendants, on the marshes this month. It was a good day out, and a plaque was unveiled to mark the occasion. But only a couple of councillors were present. There was no sign of the mayor or council leader – not even local Labour representative Cllr Liaquat Ali, who usually pops up in front of any camera in sight.

Roe went on from Walthamstow to found the A.V. Roe Aircraft Co (Avro), as part of an eventful life. A brief flirtation with fascism during the 1930s was massively outweighed by Avro’s production of aircraft (including the Lancaster bomber) that saved Britain from Nazi invasion during the Second World War.

So why is Waltham Forest council ignoring this big local centenary? It wasn’t just forgotten: a cabinet agenda from November 2007 mentions an Avro Festival Committee planning meeting. What happened to that planned festival? Believe it or not, a spiteful little email was circulated saying that the council wouldn’t have anything to do with the centenary celebrations, because of Roe’s link with fascism.

You’d really have to rack your brains to come up with an excuse for dissing such a big local name, and ignoring such a major centenary, but Waltham Forest council managed it. What a feeble bit of token politicking. And – given Adolf Hitler’s delight in book-burning – an embarrassing own goal by the council that was later revealed to have sent thousands of our library books to the incinerator.

There’s a small Roe exhibition at Vestry House Museum, not mentioned on the museum’s (council-run) website, which may only be on till the end of July. So if you’d like to celebrate a local hero, get along to Vestry House on a Wednesday to Sunday between 10am and 5pm.

And a Roe exhibition is coming soon to the independent Pump House Museum and Lea Valley Experience, which celebrates Walthamstow’s long and impressive industrial history.

The Roe family’s celebration on the marshes had a photo of a bicycle Roe had designed – with Roe, on his 80th birthday, sitting on the handlebars and riding it backwards. A flawed human being like all of us, but someone for Walthamstow to be proud of. And in that respect, worth more than any of Waltham Forest’s book-burning councillors put together.


Comments(12)

Techno2 says...
11:55am Sat 25 Jul 09

The man was a genius. He provided the nation with the tools to fight back. These were needed when the real fascists (something some on the council seem to know nothing about in their fantasy world of political correctness and name-calling) were bombing the borough to bits in the second world war.

mdj says...
1:11pm Sat 25 Jul 09

Googling Roe gets you quickly to a BUF site, and this comment:

"AV, as he was known, became a strong supporter of Oswald Mosley during the 1930's, and continued his support after the war with Union Movement. He was a great believer in monetary reform and thought it was wrong that banks should be able to create money by "book entry" and charge interest on it when they lent it out."
Many nowadays would agree.It was always uncomfortable for the Left to admit that there was much about Mosley's economic ideas that they could not oppose on theoretical grounds. What his defenders, such as AJP Taylor or Foot, have to gloss over is the intrinsic racism of his stance, plus of course the patrician assumption that things would always be run by brilliant leaders such as himself.( He was still pushing his way into young women's bedrooms at an advanced age too: narcissism was always a key part of the mix)
However cogent his and others' arguments against immmigration may have been, ultimately they were based on the premise that the state had a right to forbid one's choice in marriage. Oppose that, and much of the rest of the argument unravels.
Roe was no worse than many of his time, and better than most. We owe him a huge amount.
More pragmatically, this borough needs to blow its trumpet much more effectively than it does.

styler29 says...
11:20pm Sat 25 Jul 09

walthamstow is so rich in history from the mention in the doomsday book. also william morris , wood street would of been the elstreet studios had it not been for the blitz ,The bremner car ,The joint venture of the first prototype of the hovver craft on the king george resivoir.shame this council has lost its identity. our great leafy suburb of walthamstow needs to teach from a young age the rich history of the place we live .I love walthamstow and its history

simoncornwell says...
2:29am Wed 29 Jul 09

If you are really so keen on local history, you should have checked up more closely on the background of AV Roe. What you 'spin' as a brief flirtation with fascism in the 1930s was actually a long lasting and high profile support for Oswald Mosley which lasted well after the war. He could have resigned like Dr Robert Forgan did when the BUF shifted to extreme anti-semitism around 1934-1935 but instead remained steadfastly loyal to their cause. Roe was a lot worse than a great deal of people at this time and to try to gloss otherwise is a travesty of history and deeply offensive to the many who stood up to these fascists at the time, let alone the many who just didn't get involved. AVRO's production of aircraft during the war may well have been important - unfortunately it had nothing to do with AV Roe who left the company in 1928 and joined SE Saunders Ltd of Cowes, IOW.
So desparate are you to carry on your anti-council agenda that you are willing to get into bed (metaphorically speaking) with a well known fascist. This is why those with no particular loyalty to any party but who are interested generally in politics and their area find people like you so irritating. If the council had made a big deal out of this no doubt you would have criticised them for supporting fascism and being historically ignorant! I also suspect most air enthusiasts are more likely to be celebrating loius bleriot's centenary, which arguably had a greater impact on world aviation. And AV Roe is not the only aviation pioneer that many of us have deep ambivalence towards. Of course Charles Lindbergh is another. I wouldn't be rushing to celebrate his achievements either, whilst happy to acknowledge that, within aviation, he is a significant figure.

G. Tingey says...
12:21pm Wed 29 Jul 09

So, Roe made a mistake - but the spiteful and mean and petty council are going to remember that, rather than his other work.
Perhaps they might also like to see if they could denigrate A.V.Roe's brother Humphrey Verdon Roe - husband of Marie Stopes?

Petty little creeps, aren't they?

mdj says...
1:13pm Wed 29 Jul 09

Actually, Tingey, there are quite a few of Marie Stopes' beliefs we'd be pretty uncomfortable about. Birth control was only part of a larger vision of improving the race, including forced sterilisation of the unfit.Many thinkers we regard as 'progressive' of this time felt the same at some stage, eg HG Wells. Such people come as a package deal, and it's interesting to see how we select what we admire in them. These arguments may yet reurn to the public forum, though with luck Newton's views on witches and alchemy will not.

enna says...
2:54pm Wed 29 Jul 09

To sum it all up why WF won't be celebrating, is quite simple really, THEY DON;T HAVE ANY MONEY after building a new town sq next to another town sqaure, plans after plans drawn up for the arcade site, a new libary with dead fish,over paid councillors, big screen in the OLD town sq that nobody watches, a cleaning contract with Keir that is so wrong and not working, then chasing estate agents who put their boards up to support community events the list could go on and on, no wonder there is nothing left in the pot to celebrate this even Walthamstow festival was scaled down to an unbelivable low key event

techiebabe says...
6:13pm Wed 29 Jul 09

Janet, I heard about the event on the marshes to celebrate 100 years of aviation, but it was presented to me as an elitist invite-only event. This meant I didn't get more info and didn't turn up. Perhaps more councillors were not there because nobody invited them? I certainly didn't feel it was something at which I'd be welcome, even though I was aware it was going on.

Janet1 says...
11:25pm Fri 31 Jul 09

Simon - I hope you're a council press officer, as I'd hate to think you defended them so tirelessly free of charge. I dislike Roe's politics but I celebrate his achievements, including setting up the aircraft company that went on to defend Britain from fascism.

I'd be overjyoed -- why not? -- if the council ever celebrated Walthamstow. Why do you think this council disgusts me? Its members make a fat juicy living from this town that I love, while doing nothing except bring it down.

Why do you think people like me are "desparate", as you put it, to oppose this council? I had no opinion for or against
them until they closed down our library, supposedly to save £70,000 a year, while at the same meeting the councillors voted themselves a £230,000 payrise. And after that, it was all downhill.

If you really (seriously?) can't see anything to celebrate in the first British flight having taken place in Walthamstow - well, I suppose you have the same outlook as our councillors. Just too bad they're paid a fortune to care about Walthamstow, while failing utterly to do so.

Techie - who presented the event as invite-only? I'm sorry you missed out. We breezed along there in the afternoon and had a great time. It wasn't very well publicised, but that's down to the council, which certainly knew about the event but chose not to give it any prominence.

Janet1 says...
11:32pm Fri 31 Jul 09

styler29 wrote:
walthamstow is so rich in history from the mention in the doomsday book. also william morris , wood street would of been the elstreet studios had it not been for the blitz ,The bremner car ,The joint venture of the first prototype of the hovver craft on the king george resivoir.shame this council has lost its identity. our great leafy suburb of walthamstow needs to teach from a young age the rich history of the place we live .I love walthamstow and its history
Styler - this is fascinating. I knew some of this, but not about the hovercraft prototype, or the Wood Street film studios.

People like you should be on the council. I know there are a few who actually like the place they're paid to represent, but it's nowhere near enough.

RichieA70 says...
6:00pm Sat 1 Aug 09

Dig into the beliefs of many of our ancesters and you'll find equally abhorrent views. The A.V. Roe story as far as Waltham Forest is concerned relates entirely to this pioneering flight and his subsequent aircraft company. It's another unique, fascinating part of this area's heritage which should be celebrated by the local authority. LBWF does seem fairly consistent in it's apathy towards our culture and history. This could be as much about glaring ignorance (which councillors continually demonstrate on a number of issues) as the oft assumed 'political correctness'.

Janet1 says...
1:02pm Sun 2 Aug 09

RichieA70, you're right about councillors' wilful ignorance. But even when they have had the value of a Walthamstow asset pointed out to them, they still ignore or belittle it.

In 2007 they actually tried to *give away* our priceless William Morris art collection -- to a group that hoped to set up a gallery in south London!

If you think I'm making this up (and I wouldn't blame you), the story's in the local Guardian at
http://tinyurl.com/k
rzeas and
http://tinyurl.com/m
c2ud6

It seems incredible, but I was at the meeting and can assure you it's true. A priceless art collection to be given on permanent loan to a group outside the borough that doesn't even own a building.

I don't know whether they were hoping to sell the building (as they heve so many others that were given to the people of this borough), or just disapproved of art, or particularly disliked Morris for being one of Britain's most famous socialists.


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