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Does Wanstead Flats really need saving?

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There is currently a lot of controversy about the Metropolitan Police’s proposal to use part of Wanstead Flats for a briefing centre during the 2012 Olympics. I quite understand that the land should not be damaged, nor permanently built upon, but is the uproar for this one-off event really necessary?

It’s a fact that the police need a large space in which to feed and then brief their staff before each shift – this is a tried and trusted system which they already operate for other events such as Notting Hill Carnival. So the Met identified various sites near the Olympic Park, but the only one which met all their criteria was Wanstead Flats. So now it’s time for local residents to decide how they feel, as a consultation is launched.

Knowing that there are a lot of strong feelings on this issue, the police called a private meeting to “capture concerns” and answer questions on their proposal. It was attended by representatives of residents associations, Friends of Wanstead Park, nature groups, local riding stables. There were also several members of the Save Wanstead Flats campaign – unfortunately they got up and walked out early on, thus missing the opportunity to discover the details and interrogate the police’s plans.

In fact there will be two separate consultations: one by the Home Office later in the year, regarding a change to the Epping Forest Act which would be needed before the land could be used in this way. The second is by the police, regarding their exact plans for the site. So, if you object to Wanstead Flats being used (ever) then let the Home Office know. However if your objection is just to this particular use, go and have a look at the Police consultation (information is at http://www.wanstead-mbdc.co.uk/ ) – perhaps it will answer your questions or at least ensure any objection is properly informed.

Local feeling is heated and I have seen petitions and flyers bandied about protesting this use of the land – but they are full of false information, for example saying that holding cells will be present (the police state categorically that this will not happen) and that the land will be used for at least 120 days (in fact it will be a maximum of 90 days, which includes construction and take down). It is a shame because petitions gathered on a false basis will probably be dismissed in any case. I can understand that this is a contentious issue on which locals wish to campaign, but it would be better if their facts were accurate so that people could make up their own mind, rather than just hearing propaganda and instantly saying “gosh, how awful!”

I am all for the right to petition and campaign but only on the basis of truth.

In fact I did have some uncertainty – for example the proposed site is not too far from skylark nesting sites, a Site of Special Scientific Interest. However it is used several times a year for funfairs, including this coming Bank Holiday Monday, and there are no rare species of any kind on the land. Further, all structures will sit on top of the land without foundations (there will only be marquees and portacabins), and trackway will be used for vehicle routes, to mitigate the chance of environmental damage.

My only real concern is that any change to the Epping Forest Act must be watertight, so there is no loophole providing for the possibility of development on Wanstead Flats in future. I would urge everyone to put their energies into this – responding to the Home Office consultation when it comes to ensure the long-term protection of the land – rather than criticising the police, who have put a lot of thought into their plans and have experience of running similar centres already.

After all, the last possession of part of Wanstead Flats was during World War II for a Prisoner of War camp. This proposal for the 2012 Olympics is another “once in a lifetime” event, and one from which I hope the local economy will benefit.


Comments(18)

Nicholas Gascoine says...
9:00am Thu 26 Aug 10

This is to do with the "olympics", and therefore, nothing at all that is said by any official body whatsoever is to be trusted.
Once the land is taken you can be sure that we won't get it back.

It is to be hoped that the Corporation of the City (who are guardians of the forest, including Wanstead flats) refuse, point-blank to have anything to do with this shoddy land-grab.

And no, Ms Bristow, I see you've swallowed the lie about "benefitting the local economy" as well. Well, it ani't so.

How many times do the majority have to say it:
We were not asked if we wanted the olympics, it was wished on us, and we have to pay for it, so it is dis-benefitting the local economy.

rubberneck says...
11:47am Thu 26 Aug 10

Nicholas Gascoine wrote:
This is to do with the "olympics", and therefore, nothing at all that is said by any official body whatsoever is to be trusted. Once the land is taken you can be sure that we won't get it back. It is to be hoped that the Corporation of the City (who are guardians of the forest, including Wanstead flats) refuse, point-blank to have anything to do with this shoddy land-grab. And no, Ms Bristow, I see you've swallowed the lie about "benefitting the local economy" as well. Well, it ani't so. How many times do the majority have to say it: We were not asked if we wanted the olympics, it was wished on us, and we have to pay for it, so it is dis-benefitting the local economy.
I agree I think Flash tends to go with the flow and I think it is outrageous that these fields have been used by young and old, disabled and able bodied for years only now to be tarmacked over for cars. I wish people who actually lived in the area were listened to instead of reporters and film stars and the rich an so called famous

techiebabe says...
12:39pm Thu 26 Aug 10

Nicholas - regarding benefiting the local economy, I actually only said I "hoped" it would do so. But actually I believe it will. There will be millions of visitors staying locally - admittedly Waltham Forest is rather short on hotels, but I'm sure some people will rent out their spare room or even go away and rent out their house to visitors. These visitors will also be dining locally, and shopping locally (even if it's just for a bottle of water and a sandwich). So they will be bringing money into the area.

techiebabe says...
12:50pm Thu 26 Aug 10

Rubberneck, I'm not sure I do always go with the flow. I've campaigned locally on various licensing and planning issues (remember Lincolns?), and even dog mess. I make a fuss and stand up to be counted on a lot of campaigns.

I just think that on this particular issue people are getting caught up on untruths and rumour (e.g. holding cells) rather than using their energy to petition the Home Office and ensure that any change in the Act is a) temporary and b) watertight.

By the way, you say "now to be tarmacked over for cars." - but if this proposal goes ahead, there will be no tarmac, they will lay temporary metal trackways. Perhaps your confusion arose from the police proposal's initial referral to "existing hard standing", but they were corrected and now acknowledge it is "semi-compacted land". From what I can see there is no intention to change that.

"I wish people who actually lived in the area were listened to instead of reporters and film stars and the rich an so called famous" - well I haven't seen anyone rich or famous weighing in, but I do agree with you on this point. I walk my dog on Wanstead Flats every day, and as someone who lives right next to the Flats I definitely want my views to be considered.

rubberneck says...
1:58pm Thu 26 Aug 10

techiebabe wrote:
Nicholas - regarding benefiting the local economy, I actually only said I "hoped" it would do so. But actually I believe it will. There will be millions of visitors staying locally - admittedly Waltham Forest is rather short on hotels, but I'm sure some people will rent out their spare room or even go away and rent out their house to visitors. These visitors will also be dining locally, and shopping locally (even if it's just for a bottle of water and a sandwich). So they will be bringing money into the area.
All this talk about people renting out their room or house for duration of Olympics is utter rubbish as on what basis will the contract be? Assured Shorthhold has to be a minimum of 6 months, B and B needs planning consent and what happens if it is all done on the side and the one comes home and wants their house back and the Outer Mongolian Olympic Underwater Dance Formation Team refuse to budge as they like it in Waltham Forest and want to stay? Additionally, you will need the consent of your Mortgage Lender before you even think about it. be warned of the pitfalls!

Redbridge Bill says...
9:31pm Thu 26 Aug 10

A well written article but why was the Met's previous form at Belgrave Heights not mentioned?

The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)has the use of the currently closed Bow, Leytonstone High Road stations, and limited hours station on Francis Road in Leyton. Combined, if not individually, these facilities offer the required amount of space as the site on Wanstead Flats.

If the MPS insist on using a green field site they would be hard pressed to find a better venue than the Met Recreation Ground in Chigwell which is not only close to Stratford but also has excellent access to the M11, M25 etc.

I would also suggest that anyone interested in MPS Estate Management, property they own in other words, policy look at this article on the Register from December 2007.
http://www.theregist
er.co.uk/2007/12/07/
met_copper_warehouse
s/

Dixster says...
5:02pm Wed 1 Sep 10

No, No & No.

I am a local resident and the bylaws allow me to graze my cattle (if I had any) on Wanstead Flats. I would consider obtaining cows and grazing them all over any developement.

It is common land donated to the Corporation to be kept as common land. The last time buildings were proposed, the local population stood in a ring around Wanstead Flats and refused to allow it (although that was some time ago). There will always be people minded to grab the land as it is extremely valuable.

I will be on Wanstead Flats on Saturday to play my part in ensuring it remains unspoilt common ground.

jef costello says...
12:02am Thu 2 Sep 10

Can't help but think these protestors might benefit the community better by asking the police what the heck is being done about knife crime in E11.

Robert19 says...
8:48am Thu 2 Sep 10

As I understand it the Met Police want to use this space - which as has already been said had a fun fair on it this week - for up to three months. In return they will pay rent so that this and other adjacent parts of Epping Forest can have some environmental improvements when they leave. What is so different to when Thames Water took over forest land to lay their pipeline and presumably paid a sum of money for the priviledge. That was taken out of public use for much longer.
I also understand that if permission is refused then the MPS could seek an order overruling the Corporation and no rent will be paid. To me its a no brainer. Why are people getting so hot under the collar about this?
If there is to be a protest it should be around Drapers Field which seems a massive overkill for three weeks of car parking for VIP cars, is taken out for over a year and upsets the plans of schools and sports clubs who use the site regularly.

Robert19 says...
8:55am Thu 2 Sep 10

Dixster wrote:
No, No & No.

I am a local resident and the bylaws allow me to graze my cattle (if I had any) on Wanstead Flats. I would consider obtaining cows and grazing them all over any developement.

It is common land donated to the Corporation to be kept as common land. The last time buildings were proposed, the local population stood in a ring around Wanstead Flats and refused to allow it (although that was some time ago). There will always be people minded to grab the land as it is extremely valuable.

I will be on Wanstead Flats on Saturday to play my part in ensuring it remains unspoilt common ground.
Dixster
What (permanent?) buildings are proposed? What land grab? Why are you not protesting about the fairs and circuses which regularly use this land if that is your concern?

orientfan says...
11:49am Thu 2 Sep 10

The reaction of so many posters so far is way over the top. This will be a temporary building for a temporary event, those who talk of tarmacking and land grab are simply scare-mongering NIMBYs. The Olympics will be brilliant for London and there will be a small amount of inconvenience for a few people for a few weeks - but this is a once in a lifetime event and people should embrace it rather than get heated about the fact that their lives will be affected for a few weeks out of one year out of an entire lifetime. I use Wanstead Flats and don't want to see it damaged in any way - why do some of you have an absolute belief that it will be?

Dixster says...
7:24pm Thu 2 Sep 10

It's a slipery slope. I understand the idea that it is a few weeks once in a lifetime but, if it is successful and the concerns of the locals are not heard loudly, it will be assumed no one is really bothered. What happens when the next "once in a lifetime idea" comes along?

I love Wanstead Flats as it is, green open common ground. I don't want to see anything different for weeks or months on end. We have only just got it back after it was divided and ripped up by Thames Water!
Oh by the way that was also a "Once in a lifetime" event too.

"Benefitting the local people" seems to imply money will benefit us more than keeping our beloved Wanstead Flats free and common ground. It is a beautiful oasis in our metropolis and it should be kept unchanged.

Robert19 says...
9:18am Fri 3 Sep 10

Dixster
It is rightly very difficult to change use of land once it is designated say metropolitan open space. What you seem to be saying is that there should be no changes to use, however temporary, ever. That is just not possible. The main issue is that if there is temporary use of open space it is returned to as was or better and that appropriate compensation is paid to improve that or nearby open space. In fact forest land has been taken over many years but every time it has to be done on the basis of a land swap. I really cannot see why there is so much opposition to a temporary use of this land which is often used by fairs and circuses in any case - hardly an oasis for weeks at a time.

locooldgit says...
2:10pm Fri 3 Sep 10

So the Met identified various sites near the Olympic Park,then why is the Site so far from the Action ,you couldn,t get much farther from the Olympic Park unless you move it a little more to the Manor Park end of The Flats.Is it because The Aldersbrook Rd is a better site to Build Houses on in the future.

drysuitdiver says...
6:37pm Mon 6 Sep 10

jef costello wrote:
Can't help but think these protestors might benefit the community better by asking the police what the heck is being done about knife crime in E11.
you think we don't do this already. the knife crime problem is sadly a national problem not just a forest gate/leytonstone/man
or park issue

drysuitdiver says...
6:44pm Mon 6 Sep 10

orientfan wrote:
The reaction of so many posters so far is way over the top. This will be a temporary building for a temporary event, those who talk of tarmacking and land grab are simply scare-mongering NIMBYs. The Olympics will be brilliant for London and there will be a small amount of inconvenience for a few people for a few weeks - but this is a once in a lifetime event and people should embrace it rather than get heated about the fact that their lives will be affected for a few weeks out of one year out of an entire lifetime. I use Wanstead Flats and don't want to see it damaged in any way - why do some of you have an absolute belief that it will be?
have a google for Plymouth Argyle, and the park in Plymouth they "leased" from the local authority. now not available for public use. I am not a nimby, if the police wish to build there they can under the existing act which has provison in it for special events for up to 120 days. it is the change to the act that is the sore point . there are far more suitable sites locally, within the park too. the quote of the day yesterday was about enclosure being illegal. it may well be but the flats get enclosed for many days over the year especially when fireworks or Mela etc are on them. does the poster not realise that traffic will increase huely in the area, not just during construction but during the operation. in the summer holidays , when we have children in the streets. the MPS don't have a good track record for pedestrian collisions !!

techiebabe says...
5:27pm Wed 15 Sep 10

Regarding the "change to the Act" I was perhaps unclear in my original post. What happens is the Epping Forest Act is not itself changed. However the Home Office would issue some kind of waiver, which would release the Corp of London from the burden of NOT leasing the ground, on a strictly time limited basis. So in that way the the Corp of London could lease the ground to the Met for the 90 days requested. Then once the time limit on the waiver has expired, it no longer functions and so the Corp of London is again bound by the Epping Forest Act to keep the land free. The Epping Forest Act itself is not changed - it's the same after the event as it was beforehand.

Hope that explains.

Even so I hope that it is done in a watertight way, so that the land cannot be used again after the 90 days, and this is where any local resident should be focussing their attention. We will need to keep a close eye on what the Home Office proposes to do.

Earle Martin says...
3:48pm Fri 17 Sep 10

orientfan: "The Olympics will be brilliant for London"

Maybe. But will it be brilliant for Waltham Forest and Newham? I doubt it.


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