London mayor Boris Johnson approves London & Quadrant plans to build housing estate on Walthamstow Stadium

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WALTHAMSTOW Stadium is set to be turned into a housing estate after the Mayor of London approved controversial development plans.

Boris Johnson said on Tuesday that the stadium was an "acceptable" loss considering the benefits he claimed London & Quadrant's 294-home development would bring the area, including a £1.75 million boost to facilities at the nearby Waltham Forest Pool & Track.

He added: "I share the sadness of many about the demise of dog racing from this historic corner of London.

"I believe this proposal will provide a major boost for Walthamstow, creating new jobs and new homes, many of which will be affordable and attract desperately needed new investment into the area.

"No viable plan has been put forward to bring racing back."

But campaigners who have spent years battling the proposals for the site in Chingford Road reacted with anger.

Ricky Holloway of Save Our Stow, which has pushed for dog racing, accused the Mayor of overlooking a proposal from Bob Morton to build a dog track and housing.

"I'm digusted. The council has kindly helped give us another housing estate," he said.

He claimed the Mayor failed to address the viability of the plan, which L&Q bought for £18 million in 2008 but is now worth an estmated £7 million, claiming taxpayers will fund the shortfall.

Gail Penfold, chairwoman of Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents/Community Association, said people living nearby were concerned that too many houses were being built on the site and vowed to join SOS in lodging a challenge to the decision with Communities Secretary Eric Pickles.

"Residents are very worried," she said.

Chingford MP Iain Duncan Smith and Stella Creasy, MP for Walthamstow, said in a joint statement they were disappointed with the decision.

A spokesman for L&Q, which said the scheme will generate profit in the long term, said: "We now look forward to beginning work as soon as we can."

The iconic frontage and the historic tote must be preserved in any new development.

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5:45pm Tue 30 Oct 12

treena74 says...

well done Boris u ****
well done Boris u **** treena74
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5:46pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Keith Hicken says...

I am appalled at his statement, never mind the consequences.

He appears to have been hoodwinked by the council and GLA.
I am appalled at his statement, never mind the consequences. He appears to have been hoodwinked by the council and GLA. Keith Hicken
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5:47pm Tue 30 Oct 12

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY says...

boris:

"Whilst no viable plan has been put forward to bring racing".

mr johnson is now equally as culpable as the councillors who waived these disgusting plans through.

;ets hope SOS turn the screw and let it all out the bag.

ricky, barrie - NAME AND SHAME THEM. please.
boris: "Whilst no viable plan has been put forward to bring racing". mr johnson is now equally as culpable as the councillors who waived these disgusting plans through. ;ets hope SOS turn the screw and let it all out the bag. ricky, barrie - NAME AND SHAME THEM. please. L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY
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5:48pm Tue 30 Oct 12

co2 says...

Boris Johnson you useless publicity seeking prat,we look to our politicians to lead,you have bottled it making this decision.
Payback at the next election for you.
Boris Johnson you useless publicity seeking prat,we look to our politicians to lead,you have bottled it making this decision. Payback at the next election for you. co2
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5:50pm Tue 30 Oct 12

co2 says...

stinks of corruption how many brown envelopes were passed around?
stinks of corruption how many brown envelopes were passed around? co2
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5:53pm Tue 30 Oct 12

lifeslittlemystery says...

Bye Bye Boris!
Bye Bye Boris! lifeslittlemystery
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5:59pm Tue 30 Oct 12

lifeslittlemystery says...

Lets be serious - All our ancient infrastructures & services are already overcrowded. How the hell are they going to sustain this!
Lets be serious - All our ancient infrastructures & services are already overcrowded. How the hell are they going to sustain this! lifeslittlemystery
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6:00pm Tue 30 Oct 12

James O'Rourke says...

Surprise, surprise!!!
Surprise, surprise!!! James O'Rourke
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6:03pm Tue 30 Oct 12

bullyboy says...

cant belive this so you sided with labour and not with your own you can never be trusted again two faced piece of ----
cant belive this so you sided with labour and not with your own you can never be trusted again two faced piece of ---- bullyboy
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6:06pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Trevor 2 says...

co2 wrote:
stinks of corruption how many brown envelopes were passed around?
I am, or was, a fan of Boris but I must agree with co2. This decision can ONLY have been taken with a financial incentive!!
[quote][p][bold]co2[/bold] wrote: stinks of corruption how many brown envelopes were passed around?[/p][/quote]I am, or was, a fan of Boris but I must agree with co2. This decision can ONLY have been taken with a financial incentive!! Trevor 2
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6:07pm Tue 30 Oct 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

" In addition a huge £2 million contribution to the surrounding community has been secured from the developer which will deliver vastly improved local sports and leisure facilities for generations of east Londoners to enjoy."

Watch this space for the back pedalling on that one.

Regardless of the merits, or not, of this plan over any other: it has become something of a tradition for promises on regeneration funding for the community to be reneged on by developers. L&Q’s first hurdle is to recover the huge shortfall on the investment they made on the purchase in the first place, long before their shareholders will look to kindly on releasing funds for the community good.
" In addition a huge £2 million contribution to the surrounding community has been secured from the developer which will deliver vastly improved local sports and leisure facilities for generations of east Londoners to enjoy." Watch this space for the back pedalling on that one. Regardless of the merits, or not, of this plan over any other: it has become something of a tradition for promises on regeneration funding for the community to be reneged on by developers. L&Q’s first hurdle is to recover the huge shortfall on the investment they made on the purchase in the first place, long before their shareholders will look to kindly on releasing funds for the community good. KWyatt-Lown
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6:15pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Garrow says...

I am absolutely gutted, so many people have worked so hard to preserve this area and to be let down like this is a massive disappointment. I would like to pay tribute to the Residents Association, Save Our Stow and the Conservative councillors who supported our course, I can't imagine how they must be feeling now being stabbed in the back. That this application should never have been put forward is little consolation, Councillors Pye and Loakes and the Planning Department of this awful council are probably all going out for a celebratory drink while we who live in the area must now contemplate our futures.
I am absolutely gutted, so many people have worked so hard to preserve this area and to be let down like this is a massive disappointment. I would like to pay tribute to the Residents Association, Save Our Stow and the Conservative councillors who supported our course, I can't imagine how they must be feeling now being stabbed in the back. That this application should never have been put forward is little consolation, Councillors Pye and Loakes and the Planning Department of this awful council are probably all going out for a celebratory drink while we who live in the area must now contemplate our futures. Garrow
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6:16pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Thanks to Stella Creasy, Father Stephen Saxby and the rest of the anti-free speech far left authoritarians of the 'We are Waltham Forest' group, there is currently a 30 day ban on all marches in Waltham Forest. I presume that local residents will be therefore be limited in their political responses to this news.
Thanks to Stella Creasy, Father Stephen Saxby and the rest of the anti-free speech far left authoritarians of the 'We are Waltham Forest' group, there is currently a 30 day ban on all marches in Waltham Forest. I presume that local residents will be therefore be limited in their political responses to this news. Techno3
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6:22pm Tue 30 Oct 12

howard0181 says...

I feel sorry for the local residents who now will have to neighbour a ghetto.

In 10 years this ghetto will be demolished and it will be the tax payers who have to foot the bill

I thought Boris was a good guy and would do the right thing. I was wrong

A bad day for the good people of Waltham Forest.
I feel sorry for the local residents who now will have to neighbour a ghetto. In 10 years this ghetto will be demolished and it will be the tax payers who have to foot the bill I thought Boris was a good guy and would do the right thing. I was wrong A bad day for the good people of Waltham Forest. howard0181
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6:24pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

lifeslittlemystery wrote:
Bye Bye Boris!
It is not just Boris.

The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are:

Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour,
Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour,
Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour
Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour
[quote][p][bold]lifeslittlemystery[/bold] wrote: Bye Bye Boris![/p][/quote]It is not just Boris. The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are: Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour, Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour, Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour Techno3
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6:31pm Tue 30 Oct 12

ruby newbie says...

i wander if this will mean local jobs for local people/firms,probabl
y not,so we can all expect the taxes top go up to pay for all of the housing benefit/council tax benefit to be paid for......i will be avioding this area for good..........what a shame......
i wander if this will mean local jobs for local people/firms,probabl y not,so we can all expect the taxes top go up to pay for all of the housing benefit/council tax benefit to be paid for......i will be avioding this area for good..........what a shame...... ruby newbie
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6:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12

MashaUK says...

Never thought I'd say this, but just on this occasion and on behalf of our four legged friends, nice one Boris! May have been for the wrong reasons, but definitely the right decision - one down...
Never thought I'd say this, but just on this occasion and on behalf of our four legged friends, nice one Boris! May have been for the wrong reasons, but definitely the right decision - one down... MashaUK
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6:42pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Natasha Dawn says...

BEST NEWS EVER! No more dogs to re-home, dogs to suffer, be injured or killed on this track ever again! The animal welfare may not have been the guiding force for the decision, but in the long run - the abused dogs of racing are going to be the ones with the greatest benefit. Adopt an unwanted greyhound into your home to really find out why this industry needs to be banned!
BEST NEWS EVER! No more dogs to re-home, dogs to suffer, be injured or killed on this track ever again! The animal welfare may not have been the guiding force for the decision, but in the long run - the abused dogs of racing are going to be the ones with the greatest benefit. Adopt an unwanted greyhound into your home to really find out why this industry needs to be banned! Natasha Dawn
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6:49pm Tue 30 Oct 12

waltham says...

pye will be handing out the money ..

Well done marie - you must be voted out .

L&Q = payment for certian councillors =
pye benefit

What a total PUBLIC DISGRACE THIS VILE WOMEN IS
pye will be handing out the money .. Well done marie - you must be voted out . L&Q = payment for certian councillors = pye benefit What a total PUBLIC DISGRACE THIS VILE WOMEN IS waltham
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6:58pm Tue 30 Oct 12

AirForceOne says...

If 20% of it is affordable, does that mean that 80% is not affordable?
So how exactly will it be filled? By housing benefit one suspects. Or some other tricky way around the numbers that has been created so that L&Q get some easy money. And a loss of £14m? That sounds more like a way of not having to pay any tax on the profits. Someone, somewhere is doing very well out of this - you can be certain it isn't the locals.
On the upside, no need to worry about more commuters - none of the new residents in brand spanking new homes will actually be going out to work.
If 20% of it is affordable, does that mean that 80% is not affordable? So how exactly will it be filled? By housing benefit one suspects. Or some other tricky way around the numbers that has been created so that L&Q get some easy money. And a loss of £14m? That sounds more like a way of not having to pay any tax on the profits. Someone, somewhere is doing very well out of this - you can be certain it isn't the locals. On the upside, no need to worry about more commuters - none of the new residents in brand spanking new homes will actually be going out to work. AirForceOne
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7:23pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Trevor 2 says...

Techno3 wrote:
lifeslittlemystery wrote:
Bye Bye Boris!
It is not just Boris.

The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are:

Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour,
Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour,
Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour
Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour
Jenny, Asim, Peter and Ebony. What a jolly JAPE for the gang of four!!
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifeslittlemystery[/bold] wrote: Bye Bye Boris![/p][/quote]It is not just Boris. The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are: Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour, Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour, Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour[/p][/quote]Jenny, Asim, Peter and Ebony. What a jolly JAPE for the gang of four!! Trevor 2
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7:29pm Tue 30 Oct 12

GavinQ says...

Another nail in the coffin for
Walthamstow... more flats? Time to move... it's depressing to see what's happened there in the last few years... pile 'em up high with nothing to do... no Police Station now (crime is up!), no Cinema, the High Street is awful...etc etc...
Another nail in the coffin for Walthamstow... more flats? Time to move... it's depressing to see what's happened there in the last few years... pile 'em up high with nothing to do... no Police Station now (crime is up!), no Cinema, the High Street is awful...etc etc... GavinQ
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7:45pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Isaythat says...

Let's not get carried away on a negative runaway train. I have just spoken to a property developer, generally buying in Hackney and Dalston. He says it may not be the bad thing you are all speculating. Walthamstow Village is becoming inceasingly popular and people will be encouraged to surrounding areas. L & Q have properties in Haggeston & Hackney and generally improve infrastructure. Time will tell, but I'm just the messenger. He certainly does not think it is the time to sell. For me, the jury is out, but I'll be watching this thread for more info.
Let's not get carried away on a negative runaway train. I have just spoken to a property developer, generally buying in Hackney and Dalston. He says it may not be the bad thing you are all speculating. Walthamstow Village is becoming inceasingly popular and people will be encouraged to surrounding areas. L & Q have properties in Haggeston & Hackney and generally improve infrastructure. Time will tell, but I'm just the messenger. He certainly does not think it is the time to sell. For me, the jury is out, but I'll be watching this thread for more info. Isaythat
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7:47pm Tue 30 Oct 12

savegreys says...

Thank you Mayor Boris. The Greyhounds appreciate it!!!
Thank you Mayor Boris. The Greyhounds appreciate it!!! savegreys
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8:22pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.
Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party. Walthamster
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8:27pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.
Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London. Techno3
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8:31pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Isaythat wrote:
Let's not get carried away on a negative runaway train. I have just spoken to a property developer, generally buying in Hackney and Dalston. He says it may not be the bad thing you are all speculating. Walthamstow Village is becoming inceasingly popular and people will be encouraged to surrounding areas. L & Q have properties in Haggeston & Hackney and generally improve infrastructure. Time will tell, but I'm just the messenger. He certainly does not think it is the time to sell. For me, the jury is out, but I'll be watching this thread for more info.
Excuse me if I will take the opinion of a Hackney estate agent as less reliable that you are prepared to do.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: Let's not get carried away on a negative runaway train. I have just spoken to a property developer, generally buying in Hackney and Dalston. He says it may not be the bad thing you are all speculating. Walthamstow Village is becoming inceasingly popular and people will be encouraged to surrounding areas. L & Q have properties in Haggeston & Hackney and generally improve infrastructure. Time will tell, but I'm just the messenger. He certainly does not think it is the time to sell. For me, the jury is out, but I'll be watching this thread for more info.[/p][/quote]Excuse me if I will take the opinion of a Hackney estate agent as less reliable that you are prepared to do. Techno3
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8:33pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

GavinQ wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for
Walthamstow... more flats? Time to move... it's depressing to see what's happened there in the last few years... pile 'em up high with nothing to do... no Police Station now (crime is up!), no Cinema, the High Street is awful...etc etc...
Yes, it is an unmitigated disaster for Walthamstow.

A total failure by our elected representatives, who have failed, nearlt to a man and woman, to reflect the wishes of their electorates.
[quote][p][bold]GavinQ[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin for Walthamstow... more flats? Time to move... it's depressing to see what's happened there in the last few years... pile 'em up high with nothing to do... no Police Station now (crime is up!), no Cinema, the High Street is awful...etc etc...[/p][/quote]Yes, it is an unmitigated disaster for Walthamstow. A total failure by our elected representatives, who have failed, nearlt to a man and woman, to reflect the wishes of their electorates. Techno3
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8:36pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise. Cornbeefur
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8:45pm Tue 30 Oct 12

corkboy says...

How lucky we are to have these guardians watching over us. Running out of options as to which shower to vote for. Is there anyone left to shaft the people of Chingford? Totally naffed off!
How lucky we are to have these guardians watching over us. Running out of options as to which shower to vote for. Is there anyone left to shaft the people of Chingford? Totally naffed off! corkboy
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8:50pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

corkboy wrote:
How lucky we are to have these guardians watching over us. Running out of options as to which shower to vote for. Is there anyone left to shaft the people of Chingford? Totally naffed off!
Be your own guardian next time. Stand for election as an independent.
[quote][p][bold]corkboy[/bold] wrote: How lucky we are to have these guardians watching over us. Running out of options as to which shower to vote for. Is there anyone left to shaft the people of Chingford? Totally naffed off![/p][/quote]Be your own guardian next time. Stand for election as an independent. Techno3
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9:12pm Tue 30 Oct 12

red37red says...

17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-(
the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q.

never going to vote for boris never.
i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.
17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-( the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q. never going to vote for boris never. i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down. red37red
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9:26pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Sam Hain says...

Wondered if Cornbeefur would be able to work cranberry tinted spectacles into this one and in his final paragraph he managed it. The only thing I find surprising in this latest saga is that anyone should be surprised about Boris. Not that I think he actually had many options in this case but the man would clearly sell his own grandmother if he thought it could gain from it. Trust Boris? Never!
Wondered if Cornbeefur would be able to work cranberry tinted spectacles into this one and in his final paragraph he managed it. The only thing I find surprising in this latest saga is that anyone should be surprised about Boris. Not that I think he actually had many options in this case but the man would clearly sell his own grandmother if he thought it could gain from it. Trust Boris? Never! Sam Hain
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10:37pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Cull Fur Wearers says...

Haha, I bet all the mugs who voted for him thinking he was on your side are gutted now..tut tut, never trust a Tory. He'll hopefully never be Leader as he'd like, and many more precious dogs' lives are saved. The death knoll is sounding for the evil practice of breeding and racing innocent puppies for human greed and 'entertainment'.. poor indeed is the man or woman who requires the suffering of another to have a good time.
Haha, I bet all the mugs who voted for him thinking he was on your side are gutted now..tut tut, never trust a Tory. He'll hopefully never be Leader as he'd like, and many more precious dogs' lives are saved. The death knoll is sounding for the evil practice of breeding and racing innocent puppies for human greed and 'entertainment'.. poor indeed is the man or woman who requires the suffering of another to have a good time. Cull Fur Wearers
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10:50pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Cull Fur Wearers says...

red37red wrote:
17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-(
the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q.

never going to vote for boris never.
i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.
Hmm, their, there and they're, zero capital letters, terrible punctuation and appalling sentence structure..maybe that's a clue as to why you enjoyed working for animal abusers for so long??
[quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: 17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-( the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q. never going to vote for boris never. i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.[/p][/quote]Hmm, their, there and they're, zero capital letters, terrible punctuation and appalling sentence structure..maybe that's a clue as to why you enjoyed working for animal abusers for so long?? Cull Fur Wearers
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10:51pm Tue 30 Oct 12

co2 says...

Techno3 wrote:
lifeslittlemystery wrote: Bye Bye Boris!
It is not just Boris. The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are: Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour, Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour, Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour
which of the 4 had the biggest brown envelpope?
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifeslittlemystery[/bold] wrote: Bye Bye Boris![/p][/quote]It is not just Boris. The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are: Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour, Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour, Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour[/p][/quote]which of the 4 had the biggest brown envelpope? co2
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10:55pm Tue 30 Oct 12

waltham says...

This is not just about a dog track but a 22 million loss to the tax payer.

L&Q state we will use our reserves -their reserves are created from tax payer money !!

We are cutting education,healthcare ,police budgets and yet we allow an RSL to lose 22 million of tax payer money and provide NO social rented houses !! and just 24 affordable

Wake up community write to Eric pickles
This is not just about a dog track but a 22 million loss to the tax payer. L&Q state we will use our reserves -their reserves are created from tax payer money !! We are cutting education,healthcare ,police budgets and yet we allow an RSL to lose 22 million of tax payer money and provide NO social rented houses !! and just 24 affordable Wake up community write to Eric pickles waltham
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12:27am Wed 31 Oct 12

Trevor 2 says...

Techno3 wrote:
GavinQ wrote:
Another nail in the coffin for
Walthamstow... more flats? Time to move... it's depressing to see what's happened there in the last few years... pile 'em up high with nothing to do... no Police Station now (crime is up!), no Cinema, the High Street is awful...etc etc...
Yes, it is an unmitigated disaster for Walthamstow.

A total failure by our elected representatives, who have failed, nearlt to a man and woman, to reflect the wishes of their electorates.
When have elected representatives EVER reflected the wishes of the electorate?
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GavinQ[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin for Walthamstow... more flats? Time to move... it's depressing to see what's happened there in the last few years... pile 'em up high with nothing to do... no Police Station now (crime is up!), no Cinema, the High Street is awful...etc etc...[/p][/quote]Yes, it is an unmitigated disaster for Walthamstow. A total failure by our elected representatives, who have failed, nearlt to a man and woman, to reflect the wishes of their electorates.[/p][/quote]When have elected representatives EVER reflected the wishes of the electorate? Trevor 2
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12:29am Wed 31 Oct 12

Redbridge person says...

My grandfather was a major shareholder in Hackney stadium, this became a race circuit and then a tatty waste ground for a car boot sale, if not for the olympics it still would be so. Lifestyles change....my family ran many pubs in Hackney, all full and they did well out of the business, but now people stay home more, they do not go out as much hence the closure of Hackney stadium and our pub which is now flats...there is a housing shortage in London and so that is what is built. If they sell or not is another question, the penthouse shared ownership flats in Leyton grange park road area are still all empty as are the retail units below.
My grandfather was a major shareholder in Hackney stadium, this became a race circuit and then a tatty waste ground for a car boot sale, if not for the olympics it still would be so. Lifestyles change....my family ran many pubs in Hackney, all full and they did well out of the business, but now people stay home more, they do not go out as much hence the closure of Hackney stadium and our pub which is now flats...there is a housing shortage in London and so that is what is built. If they sell or not is another question, the penthouse shared ownership flats in Leyton grange park road area are still all empty as are the retail units below. Redbridge person
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1:31am Wed 31 Oct 12

SpursSupporter1 says...

Not a surprize in an way shape or form rhis decision really? Many more back handers and brown envelopes to be passed round yet? bigger crooks running Waltham Forest Council than there is out on the streets
Not a surprize in an way shape or form rhis decision really? Many more back handers and brown envelopes to be passed round yet? bigger crooks running Waltham Forest Council than there is out on the streets SpursSupporter1
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7:01am Wed 31 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

Techno3 wrote:
lifeslittlemystery wrote:
Bye Bye Boris!
It is not just Boris.

The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are:

Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour,
Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour,
Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour
Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour
And Waltahmstow residents should stand against them in 2014.....I am going to stand for TUSC.
These people have been privatising and bowing to the property developers for too long.
Our kids don't get cheap housing, we get high density, expensive boxes and the companies get our land.....
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lifeslittlemystery[/bold] wrote: Bye Bye Boris![/p][/quote]It is not just Boris. The planning committee members who voted as a whipped block for this decision instead of stopping the scheme are: Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour, Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour, Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour[/p][/quote]And Waltahmstow residents should stand against them in 2014.....I am going to stand for TUSC. These people have been privatising and bowing to the property developers for too long. Our kids don't get cheap housing, we get high density, expensive boxes and the companies get our land..... Nancy Taaffe
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7:25am Wed 31 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

This is an example of a piece of land being used for property speculation and it's been going on for a long time in this area.
Facilities that were previously publically owned or served a semi public purpose like the cinema and dog track are taken over by private interests. We developed civic society because the church or charitable institutions were not seen as an adequate way of providing public services, the tide is now being turned back.
Under the auspices of solving the housing problem a huge transfer of wealth is going on all around us to mult-national property developers. The council and establishment politicians are aiding this process by calling people who object unrealistic.
Look around you, on every strip of land high density boxes are being constructed and the price to live in them is most certainly not"affordable"

We could be a society like Brazil where people work, eat and sleep and have little public provision. Libraries, cheap leisure, cinema and dog racing are the social activities we engage in when we're not working.
Look at the plans for the corner of Wood Street Library (where I used to work) and you will see that there, we could lose our library, bits of the hospital and both housing offices.
Yes, you've guessed it folks.....to a multinational housing company.

You have to ask why has the Labour Party not got behind their MP and blocked the plans, there was an opportunity to do this. Like with many things Stella is just enough in opposition not be on the wrong side but not vocal and forceful before against the people in her own party who have betrayed us. They had the power to stop this and now we've all got posters up against Eric Pickles......nice diversion. No doubt if she thought she would lose some votes from a big community campaign developing around that monstrosity at the tube she would be vocal, but I haven't seen anything against that decision by her party so she stays silent. Power for powers sake is ugly....witness Blair.

I'm going to stand for the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition in 2014 to stop the closures and the sell offs and I suggest others do the same.
This is an example of a piece of land being used for property speculation and it's been going on for a long time in this area. Facilities that were previously publically owned or served a semi public purpose like the cinema and dog track are taken over by private interests. We developed civic society because the church or charitable institutions were not seen as an adequate way of providing public services, the tide is now being turned back. Under the auspices of solving the housing problem a huge transfer of wealth is going on all around us to mult-national property developers. The council and establishment politicians are aiding this process by calling people who object unrealistic. Look around you, on every strip of land high density boxes are being constructed and the price to live in them is most certainly not"affordable" We could be a society like Brazil where people work, eat and sleep and have little public provision. Libraries, cheap leisure, cinema and dog racing are the social activities we engage in when we're not working. Look at the plans for the corner of Wood Street Library (where I used to work) and you will see that there, we could lose our library, bits of the hospital and both housing offices. Yes, you've guessed it folks.....to a multinational housing company. You have to ask why has the Labour Party not got behind their MP and blocked the plans, there was an opportunity to do this. Like with many things Stella is just enough in opposition not be on the wrong side but not vocal and forceful before against the people in her own party who have betrayed us. They had the power to stop this and now we've all got posters up against Eric Pickles......nice diversion. No doubt if she thought she would lose some votes from a big community campaign developing around that monstrosity at the tube she would be vocal, but I haven't seen anything against that decision by her party so she stays silent. Power for powers sake is ugly....witness Blair. I'm going to stand for the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition in 2014 to stop the closures and the sell offs and I suggest others do the same. Nancy Taaffe
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7:48am Wed 31 Oct 12

bullyboy says...

its not over yet for everyone who wants the dog stadium saved you must email the secretary of state eric pickles we have 21 days to get the secretary of state to intervene so dont give up supporters go onto the save our stow website for more details but we will fight to save this track until every avenue has been explored
its not over yet for everyone who wants the dog stadium saved you must email the secretary of state eric pickles we have 21 days to get the secretary of state to intervene so dont give up supporters go onto the save our stow website for more details but we will fight to save this track until every avenue has been explored bullyboy
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8:04am Wed 31 Oct 12

chingford lad says...

The `Rape of Waltham Forest` `Guardian` please quote me. So now Chingford, or at least the southern tip, joins the land of `Purgatory` along with Walthamstow, leyton & Leytonstone, A place where your friends can be your enemies and your enemies ones worst nightmare. Why do I picture `Tolkiens` Lord of the Rings`? Waltham Forest being `Middle Earth` with the `Farthings` & `The Shires` with `Gandalf & The fellowship` to the north east, North Chingford to Epping, with `Mordor` to the southeast, Walthamstow to Leytonstone, & the Orcs & Gollums of this world?
The `Rape of Waltham Forest` `Guardian` please quote me. So now Chingford, or at least the southern tip, joins the land of `Purgatory` along with Walthamstow, leyton & Leytonstone, A place where your friends can be your enemies and your enemies ones worst nightmare. Why do I picture `Tolkiens` Lord of the Rings`? Waltham Forest being `Middle Earth` with the `Farthings` & `The Shires` with `Gandalf & The fellowship` to the north east, North Chingford to Epping, with `Mordor` to the southeast, Walthamstow to Leytonstone, & the Orcs & Gollums of this world? chingford lad
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8:23am Wed 31 Oct 12

UKIP-local says...

If we are to have unlimited numbers of additional residents we have to accept this sort of decision. Why have the public taken so long to wake up to the consequences of government policy?

As there is to be no more Walthamstow police station but even more people living in the borough, why not build police houses in the development so the public can be reassured by the sight of officers in uniform going back and forth?
If we are to have unlimited numbers of additional residents we have to accept this sort of decision. Why have the public taken so long to wake up to the consequences of government policy? As there is to be no more Walthamstow police station but even more people living in the borough, why not build police houses in the development so the public can be reassured by the sight of officers in uniform going back and forth? UKIP-local
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8:53am Wed 31 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

bullyboy wrote:
its not over yet for everyone who wants the dog stadium saved you must email the secretary of state eric pickles we have 21 days to get the secretary of state to intervene so dont give up supporters go onto the save our stow website for more details but we will fight to save this track until every avenue has been explored
Yes....people can email Eric the "slayer of local government" but they should also remember that the councillors who voted for this must be thrown out next time round. People mistakenly voted labour in the elections because they knew the Tories would cut and sell off and hoped Labour would protect them. I stood, saying that both parties are devoid of principals. As Ed M is proving all over the place, he is just Tory Lite.
More land is going for property speculation and the spineless bunch at the Town Hall have just allowed it. In the case of Marie "Pye in the sky" she encourages it- some one has gotta stand against her.
No more of these sell outs......
No more politicians who ride the wave of opposition but kept their mouths shut when they have the power to stop sell offs.
2014 #TUSC
[quote][p][bold]bullyboy[/bold] wrote: its not over yet for everyone who wants the dog stadium saved you must email the secretary of state eric pickles we have 21 days to get the secretary of state to intervene so dont give up supporters go onto the save our stow website for more details but we will fight to save this track until every avenue has been explored[/p][/quote]Yes....people can email Eric the "slayer of local government" but they should also remember that the councillors who voted for this must be thrown out next time round. People mistakenly voted labour in the elections because they knew the Tories would cut and sell off and hoped Labour would protect them. I stood, saying that both parties are devoid of principals. As Ed M is proving all over the place, he is just Tory Lite. More land is going for property speculation and the spineless bunch at the Town Hall have just allowed it. In the case of Marie "Pye in the sky" she encourages it- some one has gotta stand against her. No more of these sell outs...... No more politicians who ride the wave of opposition but kept their mouths shut when they have the power to stop sell offs. 2014 #TUSC Nancy Taaffe
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9:02am Wed 31 Oct 12

Nancy Taaffe says...

Techno3 wrote:
Thanks to Stella Creasy, Father Stephen Saxby and the rest of the anti-free speech far left authoritarians of the 'We are Waltham Forest' group, there is currently a 30 day ban on all marches in Waltham Forest. I presume that local residents will be therefore be limited in their political responses to this news.
There were a lot of us in We Are Waltham Forest who opposed the ban.....Stella wasn't one of them.
I think it's great the EDL got seen off and I believe a ban wasn't necessary to do this. I have always supported the right to campaign and have had many conflicts with our council over their attempts to stop us campaigning.

Maybe a mass breaching of the ban should be organised by the dog track campaign and then we could have the topsy turvy vision of Stella breeching the ban she applied for.

What has/ is happening to the dog track is about to happen to that whole corner of wood street and we have a meeting about stopping it. See Waltham Forest Anti-Cuts Union website.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: Thanks to Stella Creasy, Father Stephen Saxby and the rest of the anti-free speech far left authoritarians of the 'We are Waltham Forest' group, there is currently a 30 day ban on all marches in Waltham Forest. I presume that local residents will be therefore be limited in their political responses to this news.[/p][/quote]There were a lot of us in We Are Waltham Forest who opposed the ban.....Stella wasn't one of them. I think it's great the EDL got seen off and I believe a ban wasn't necessary to do this. I have always supported the right to campaign and have had many conflicts with our council over their attempts to stop us campaigning. Maybe a mass breaching of the ban should be organised by the dog track campaign and then we could have the topsy turvy vision of Stella breeching the ban she applied for. What has/ is happening to the dog track is about to happen to that whole corner of wood street and we have a meeting about stopping it. See Waltham Forest Anti-Cuts Union website. Nancy Taaffe
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9:45am Wed 31 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

It amazes me that News reports Nationally cite it as closing today when it has already been closed and the infrastructure been taken out for years now.
It amazes me that News reports Nationally cite it as closing today when it has already been closed and the infrastructure been taken out for years now. Cornbeefur
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10:50am Wed 31 Oct 12

tmann says...

Hardly a shock, like anywhere in London Waltham Forest has a serious affordable housing problem so just about any piece of available land will be used for housing. Was it really viable to return greyhound racing to the Stow? After a few weeks of strong attendance I doubt the crowds would continue to come. Hey ho, this should be fun for the somewhat creaky infrastructure and the local overcrowded schools.
Hardly a shock, like anywhere in London Waltham Forest has a serious affordable housing problem so just about any piece of available land will be used for housing. Was it really viable to return greyhound racing to the Stow? After a few weeks of strong attendance I doubt the crowds would continue to come. Hey ho, this should be fun for the somewhat creaky infrastructure and the local overcrowded schools. tmann
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11:06am Wed 31 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.
Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.
And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment.

Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.[/p][/quote]And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment. Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here. Walthamster
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11:11am Wed 31 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

waltham wrote:
This is not just about a dog track but a 22 million loss to the tax payer.

L&Q state we will use our reserves -their reserves are created from tax payer money !!

We are cutting education,healthcare ,police budgets and yet we allow an RSL to lose 22 million of tax payer money and provide NO social rented houses !! and just 24 affordable

Wake up community write to Eric pickles
Have you got contact details for Eric Pickles, please? And any extra information needed to put in letters or emails?

If you can post it here, people can copy it and send it to their networks. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]waltham[/bold] wrote: This is not just about a dog track but a 22 million loss to the tax payer. L&Q state we will use our reserves -their reserves are created from tax payer money !! We are cutting education,healthcare ,police budgets and yet we allow an RSL to lose 22 million of tax payer money and provide NO social rented houses !! and just 24 affordable Wake up community write to Eric pickles[/p][/quote]Have you got contact details for Eric Pickles, please? And any extra information needed to put in letters or emails? If you can post it here, people can copy it and send it to their networks. Thanks. Walthamster
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11:12am Wed 31 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

bullyboy wrote:
its not over yet for everyone who wants the dog stadium saved you must email the secretary of state eric pickles we have 21 days to get the secretary of state to intervene so dont give up supporters go onto the save our stow website for more details but we will fight to save this track until every avenue has been explored
There is no harm in trying, but do be aware that Eric Pickles is one of the most useless, indolent creatures in the government. He is pro-developer, anti local communities and has tolerated the corruption at our local council ever since he has been in office. He has made some abysmal planning decisions along the way, such as approving the Essex Wharf development which hit yet another nail in the coffin of the Lea valley park.

Still, it is not over till the fat minister sings.
[quote][p][bold]bullyboy[/bold] wrote: its not over yet for everyone who wants the dog stadium saved you must email the secretary of state eric pickles we have 21 days to get the secretary of state to intervene so dont give up supporters go onto the save our stow website for more details but we will fight to save this track until every avenue has been explored[/p][/quote]There is no harm in trying, but do be aware that Eric Pickles is one of the most useless, indolent creatures in the government. He is pro-developer, anti local communities and has tolerated the corruption at our local council ever since he has been in office. He has made some abysmal planning decisions along the way, such as approving the Essex Wharf development which hit yet another nail in the coffin of the Lea valley park. Still, it is not over till the fat minister sings. Techno3
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11:16am Wed 31 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

PLEASE SEND THIS TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS.

There's still time to ask Eric Pickles MP (secretary of state for communities and local government) to save our Stow.

eric.pickles@communi
ties.gsi.gov.uk

All the information is at
http://saveourstow.w
ordpress.com
PLEASE SEND THIS TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS. There's still time to ask Eric Pickles MP (secretary of state for communities and local government) to save our Stow. eric.pickles@communi ties.gsi.gov.uk All the information is at http://saveourstow.w ordpress.com Walthamster
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11:19am Wed 31 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.
Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.
And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment.

Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.
They won't care. People outside London hold Walthamstow up as an example of how not to organise their lives. The borough of Waltham Forest represents much of what they despise and fear will happen to them. There will be little sympathy and there will be few who will listen.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.[/p][/quote]And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment. Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.[/p][/quote]They won't care. People outside London hold Walthamstow up as an example of how not to organise their lives. The borough of Waltham Forest represents much of what they despise and fear will happen to them. There will be little sympathy and there will be few who will listen. Techno3
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11:31am Wed 31 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Walthamster wrote:
PLEASE SEND THIS TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS.

There's still time to ask Eric Pickles MP (secretary of state for communities and local government) to save our Stow.

eric.pickles@communi

ties.gsi.gov.uk

All the information is at
http://saveourstow.w

ordpress.com
Pointless exercise. Pickles will not overturn a decision by Boris anyhow.

Times have changed. The Chandlers are business people and got rid of the place as it was a dead fish in the water.

Most people who want it there are people who do not want an influx of people and traffic. have no interest in Dog Racing as are most of the people who want the Granada, never been to a Cinema in their life, look at DVD's at home or internet but would rather not have the Flock of a Congregation and traffic.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: PLEASE SEND THIS TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS. There's still time to ask Eric Pickles MP (secretary of state for communities and local government) to save our Stow. eric.pickles@communi ties.gsi.gov.uk All the information is at http://saveourstow.w ordpress.com[/p][/quote]Pointless exercise. Pickles will not overturn a decision by Boris anyhow. Times have changed. The Chandlers are business people and got rid of the place as it was a dead fish in the water. Most people who want it there are people who do not want an influx of people and traffic. have no interest in Dog Racing as are most of the people who want the Granada, never been to a Cinema in their life, look at DVD's at home or internet but would rather not have the Flock of a Congregation and traffic. Cornbeefur
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11:39am Wed 31 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.
Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.
And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment.

Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.
They won't care. People outside London hold Walthamstow up as an example of how not to organise their lives. The borough of Waltham Forest represents much of what they despise and fear will happen to them. There will be little sympathy and there will be few who will listen.
All the more reason why Tory voters in affluent towns should fear Boris as their MP.

He had this chance to do something for his electorate, but chose to side with Waltham Forest council and the developers.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.[/p][/quote]And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment. Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.[/p][/quote]They won't care. People outside London hold Walthamstow up as an example of how not to organise their lives. The borough of Waltham Forest represents much of what they despise and fear will happen to them. There will be little sympathy and there will be few who will listen.[/p][/quote]All the more reason why Tory voters in affluent towns should fear Boris as their MP. He had this chance to do something for his electorate, but chose to side with Waltham Forest council and the developers. Walthamster
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11:45am Wed 31 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
Walthamster wrote:
Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.
Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.
And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment.

Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.
They won't care. People outside London hold Walthamstow up as an example of how not to organise their lives. The borough of Waltham Forest represents much of what they despise and fear will happen to them. There will be little sympathy and there will be few who will listen.
All the more reason why Tory voters in affluent towns should fear Boris as their MP.

He had this chance to do something for his electorate, but chose to side with Waltham Forest council and the developers.
I love Walthamastow and the community here, but do not underestimate how many people, who do not know it and only read the passing stories of the mass immigration, crime, corruption and extremism, consider a place like this an anathema. I think you will find that many outside London, which to them is another country these days, would applaud someone bulldozing a place like this.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: Doesn't Boris Johnson realise the dog track is on the edge of Chingford, a solid Tory-voting area? He's made a big bunch of enemies among his natural supporters. And let's see how well this plays when he tries to take over leadership of the Tory Party.[/p][/quote]Maybe Boris is thinking about standing for Parliament in a nice safe seat somewhere outside London.[/p][/quote]And a nice cosy Tory town may not be keen on massive overdevelopment. Let's all make sure the local newspaper there, and community activists, know how he backed L&Q against residents here.[/p][/quote]They won't care. People outside London hold Walthamstow up as an example of how not to organise their lives. The borough of Waltham Forest represents much of what they despise and fear will happen to them. There will be little sympathy and there will be few who will listen.[/p][/quote]All the more reason why Tory voters in affluent towns should fear Boris as their MP. He had this chance to do something for his electorate, but chose to side with Waltham Forest council and the developers.[/p][/quote]I love Walthamastow and the community here, but do not underestimate how many people, who do not know it and only read the passing stories of the mass immigration, crime, corruption and extremism, consider a place like this an anathema. I think you will find that many outside London, which to them is another country these days, would applaud someone bulldozing a place like this. Techno3
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11:46am Wed 31 Oct 12

Walthamster says...

My point is that voters need to know how Boris has let down people like themselves.

We don't need to win their sympathy for the people of Waltham Forest, but to warn voters in his new constituency that he may treat them the same way.

People may not care about other parts of the country. But they care about themselves and their own towns. The people who vote are the ones already living there, not those who may move in to new developments.

Very few people want massive developments in their own towns. So they don't want an MP who will support the developers.
My point is that voters need to know how Boris has let down people like themselves. We don't need to win their sympathy for the people of Waltham Forest, but to warn voters in his new constituency that he may treat them the same way. People may not care about other parts of the country. But they care about themselves and their own towns. The people who vote are the ones already living there, not those who may move in to new developments. Very few people want massive developments in their own towns. So they don't want an MP who will support the developers. Walthamster
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11:54am Wed 31 Oct 12

JuniorCarter says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive. JuniorCarter
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11:57am Wed 31 Oct 12

JuniorCarter says...

I feel very sorry for the people of Chingford, by and large, loyal Conservative voters who no doubt voted for Boris only to be stabbed in the back by him. In 2010 he promised to respect the wishes of local people with regards to the Dog Track and now this. I hope people remember and don't vote him in again.

What a legacy for Boris, and Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour,
Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour,
Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour
Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour

Perhaps each block of flats should be named after them? We'll see how proud they are of them after a few years wear and tear!
I feel very sorry for the people of Chingford, by and large, loyal Conservative voters who no doubt voted for Boris only to be stabbed in the back by him. In 2010 he promised to respect the wishes of local people with regards to the Dog Track and now this. I hope people remember and don't vote him in again. What a legacy for Boris, and Asim Mahmood - Markhouse Labour, Jenny Gray - Leytonstone Labour, Ebony Vincent - Markhouse Labour Peter Barnett - Wood St Labour Perhaps each block of flats should be named after them? We'll see how proud they are of them after a few years wear and tear! JuniorCarter
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12:12pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
My point is that voters need to know how Boris has let down people like themselves.

We don't need to win their sympathy for the people of Waltham Forest, but to warn voters in his new constituency that he may treat them the same way.

People may not care about other parts of the country. But they care about themselves and their own towns. The people who vote are the ones already living there, not those who may move in to new developments.

Very few people want massive developments in their own towns. So they don't want an MP who will support the developers.
I think that people who want to do something about this decision should be doing something far more immediate than vaguely threatening to shave a few points off the election chances of a guy like Boris Johnson.

Sadly, there are no marches allowed in Waltham Forest itself.

However, I do notice that the bans do not extend to a few places which are just over the boundaries of the borough or at the offices of the various companies involved in this development who value their public images.

I am also not entirely sure how the ban might apply to a slowly moving cavalcade of vehicles which could bring about a traffic 'pulse' jam for many miles about. I seem to recall the cabbies did somehting like that once and snarled up ost of London. Maybe Save Our Stow can get advice about from that from the experts.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: My point is that voters need to know how Boris has let down people like themselves. We don't need to win their sympathy for the people of Waltham Forest, but to warn voters in his new constituency that he may treat them the same way. People may not care about other parts of the country. But they care about themselves and their own towns. The people who vote are the ones already living there, not those who may move in to new developments. Very few people want massive developments in their own towns. So they don't want an MP who will support the developers.[/p][/quote]I think that people who want to do something about this decision should be doing something far more immediate than vaguely threatening to shave a few points off the election chances of a guy like Boris Johnson. Sadly, there are no marches allowed in Waltham Forest itself. However, I do notice that the bans do not extend to a few places which are just over the boundaries of the borough or at the offices of the various companies involved in this development who value their public images. I am also not entirely sure how the ban might apply to a slowly moving cavalcade of vehicles which could bring about a traffic 'pulse' jam for many miles about. I seem to recall the cabbies did somehting like that once and snarled up ost of London. Maybe Save Our Stow can get advice about from that from the experts. Techno3
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Wed 31 Oct 12

red37red says...

Cull Fur Wearers wrote:
red37red wrote:
17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-(
the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q.

never going to vote for boris never.
i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.
Hmm, their, there and they're, zero capital letters, terrible punctuation and appalling sentence structure..maybe that's a clue as to why you enjoyed working for animal abusers for so long??
you dont know me for a start and having bad dyslexia and making fun of me is not nice really is it!

what you think about horse racing?
[quote][p][bold]Cull Fur Wearers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: 17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-( the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q. never going to vote for boris never. i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.[/p][/quote]Hmm, their, there and they're, zero capital letters, terrible punctuation and appalling sentence structure..maybe that's a clue as to why you enjoyed working for animal abusers for so long??[/p][/quote]you dont know me for a start and having bad dyslexia and making fun of me is not nice really is it! what you think about horse racing? red37red
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12:35pm Wed 31 Oct 12

E17_er says...

Cull Fur Wearers wrote:
red37red wrote:
17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-(
the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q.

never going to vote for boris never.
i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.
Hmm, their, there and they're, zero capital letters, terrible punctuation and appalling sentence structure..maybe that's a clue as to why you enjoyed working for animal abusers for so long??
You would assume that someone who sought to score points through criticizing someone else's punctuation and sentence structure might have taken the time to construct a correct sentence themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Cull Fur Wearers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: 17yrs working at the stow and will be missed:-( the labour mp lot who voted this through should have there bank accounts checked for back handers from l&q. never going to vote for boris never. i really hope this ghetto going to be built falls down.[/p][/quote]Hmm, their, there and they're, zero capital letters, terrible punctuation and appalling sentence structure..maybe that's a clue as to why you enjoyed working for animal abusers for so long??[/p][/quote]You would assume that someone who sought to score points through criticizing someone else's punctuation and sentence structure might have taken the time to construct a correct sentence themselves. E17_er
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
[quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times. Cornbeefur
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Techno3 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
What it clearly needed was new management.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times.[/p][/quote]What it clearly needed was new management. Techno3
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

Techno3 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
What it clearly needed was new management.
Dog Racing is Old Hat.

Originally a Working mans past-time

People can bet on line now 24 hours a day with cartoon dogs 'virtual racing'.

The area has changed in its cultural make-up.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times.[/p][/quote]What it clearly needed was new management.[/p][/quote]Dog Racing is Old Hat. Originally a Working mans past-time People can bet on line now 24 hours a day with cartoon dogs 'virtual racing'. The area has changed in its cultural make-up. Cornbeefur
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2:50pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Antonk says...

Great. More new flats to add to the station development and proposed arcade development. More residents to send kids to our overcrowded schools, better order more port cabins to clog up the playgrounds further.

Thanks Boris, hope you've made a bit out of this along with our corrupt councillors.
Great. More new flats to add to the station development and proposed arcade development. More residents to send kids to our overcrowded schools, better order more port cabins to clog up the playgrounds further. Thanks Boris, hope you've made a bit out of this along with our corrupt councillors. Antonk
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3:50pm Wed 31 Oct 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

I don’t doubt that, beyond the opportunity for a sound bite a few days ago when he was asked for a view on the site, "Big Hearted Boris" didn’t give this review more than ten seconds of his time as he returned from his latest photo opportunity on the Thames.

He doesn’t give a flying fig for a development that could involve any kind of entertainment or sporting venue surviving in the East End (before you retaliate, I do respect many of you regard dog racing as very far removed for the word “sport”).

There’s only one game in town for Johnson. As chairman of the London Legacy Development Corporation - which runs the Olympic stadium – he needs to do the big deals. His ego simply demands it.
I don’t doubt that, beyond the opportunity for a sound bite a few days ago when he was asked for a view on the site, "Big Hearted Boris" didn’t give this review more than ten seconds of his time as he returned from his latest photo opportunity on the Thames. He doesn’t give a flying fig for a development that could involve any kind of entertainment or sporting venue surviving in the East End (before you retaliate, I do respect many of you regard dog racing as very far removed for the word “sport”). There’s only one game in town for Johnson. As chairman of the London Legacy Development Corporation - which runs the Olympic stadium – he needs to do the big deals. His ego simply demands it. KWyatt-Lown
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3:54pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

KWyatt-Lown wrote:
I don’t doubt that, beyond the opportunity for a sound bite a few days ago when he was asked for a view on the site, "Big Hearted Boris" didn’t give this review more than ten seconds of his time as he returned from his latest photo opportunity on the Thames.

He doesn’t give a flying fig for a development that could involve any kind of entertainment or sporting venue surviving in the East End (before you retaliate, I do respect many of you regard dog racing as very far removed for the word “sport”).

There’s only one game in town for Johnson. As chairman of the London Legacy Development Corporation - which runs the Olympic stadium – he needs to do the big deals. His ego simply demands it.
Their friends will end up with the Olympic Stadium somewhere along the way and like the O2, built with Public Money will be transformed into a money making machine at the Taxpayers expense.

Already talk of American Football at the Olympic Stadium today.
[quote][p][bold]KWyatt-Lown[/bold] wrote: I don’t doubt that, beyond the opportunity for a sound bite a few days ago when he was asked for a view on the site, "Big Hearted Boris" didn’t give this review more than ten seconds of his time as he returned from his latest photo opportunity on the Thames. He doesn’t give a flying fig for a development that could involve any kind of entertainment or sporting venue surviving in the East End (before you retaliate, I do respect many of you regard dog racing as very far removed for the word “sport”). There’s only one game in town for Johnson. As chairman of the London Legacy Development Corporation - which runs the Olympic stadium – he needs to do the big deals. His ego simply demands it.[/p][/quote]Their friends will end up with the Olympic Stadium somewhere along the way and like the O2, built with Public Money will be transformed into a money making machine at the Taxpayers expense. Already talk of American Football at the Olympic Stadium today. Cornbeefur
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4:07pm Wed 31 Oct 12

treena74 says...

Why cant they build round it like leyton orient did with the flats on the corner!!

Just more houses for migrants and just more of them to come over and break in and rob and stab ppl. If i would of caught the bastards that broke into our car i would of killed them!!

Sick of it let us have 1 thing left of walthamstow we can enjoy !
Why cant they build round it like leyton orient did with the flats on the corner!! Just more houses for migrants and just more of them to come over and break in and rob and stab ppl. If i would of caught the bastards that broke into our car i would of killed them!! Sick of it let us have 1 thing left of walthamstow we can enjoy ! treena74
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4:15pm Wed 31 Oct 12

JuniorCarter says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
I did used to go there in the week. It was free for elderly people and for many it was the only time they got out to socialise.

The same person didn't run it for 80 years, silly!! That would be ridiculous - think about it! It was badly run - if you'd been there and knew the staff, you'd know that.

And sorry you don't feel safe to go out, I hope you're not mugged. But when there's more going on at night, that's less likely to happen.

Pubs aren't suffering because people are afraid to leave the house - ha ha! You're funny, you're like an elderly Catherine Tate character!!!

Where do you live then?
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times.[/p][/quote]I did used to go there in the week. It was free for elderly people and for many it was the only time they got out to socialise. The same person didn't run it for 80 years, silly!! That would be ridiculous - think about it! It was badly run - if you'd been there and knew the staff, you'd know that. And sorry you don't feel safe to go out, I hope you're not mugged. But when there's more going on at night, that's less likely to happen. Pubs aren't suffering because people are afraid to leave the house - ha ha! You're funny, you're like an elderly Catherine Tate character!!! Where do you live then? JuniorCarter
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4:17pm Wed 31 Oct 12

JuniorCarter says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
What it clearly needed was new management.
Dog Racing is Old Hat.

Originally a Working mans past-time

People can bet on line now 24 hours a day with cartoon dogs 'virtual racing'.

The area has changed in its cultural make-up.
Yes, you're right - people are becoming more and more isolated at home because of home entertainment and the internet. Which is why it's important to have venues like pubs, community centres and leisure activities which bring people together.

But if you're not good at marketing - you're not going to survive!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times.[/p][/quote]What it clearly needed was new management.[/p][/quote]Dog Racing is Old Hat. Originally a Working mans past-time People can bet on line now 24 hours a day with cartoon dogs 'virtual racing'. The area has changed in its cultural make-up.[/p][/quote]Yes, you're right - people are becoming more and more isolated at home because of home entertainment and the internet. Which is why it's important to have venues like pubs, community centres and leisure activities which bring people together. But if you're not good at marketing - you're not going to survive! JuniorCarter
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4:28pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Harry J says...

Crikey what a fuss!
Much needed housing or somewhere for greyhounds to chase a pretend rabbit while a few - and it was a few - people lose money on it?
Hmmmm - that's a diffciult one.
Crikey what a fuss! Much needed housing or somewhere for greyhounds to chase a pretend rabbit while a few - and it was a few - people lose money on it? Hmmmm - that's a diffciult one. Harry J
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4:37pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Cornbeefur says...

JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
I did used to go there in the week. It was free for elderly people and for many it was the only time they got out to socialise.

The same person didn't run it for 80 years, silly!! That would be ridiculous - think about it! It was badly run - if you'd been there and knew the staff, you'd know that.

And sorry you don't feel safe to go out, I hope you're not mugged. But when there's more going on at night, that's less likely to happen.

Pubs aren't suffering because people are afraid to leave the house - ha ha! You're funny, you're like an elderly Catherine Tate character!!!

Where do you live then?
I live in Marylebone now but still have strong ties in Walthamstow and East London.

I am sure that the Chandler family owned the Dog Track.

Vic Chandler has moved on to greater things and with the times with Internet Betting. That is why he is a shrewd character, realised that the Dog Track was becoming old hat, flogged it on after mitigating any profits, Capital Gains Tax and so on through Gold Plated pensions for all those involved in the Shares. That is how business works.

All these things have suffered for numerous reasons. Even working mens Clubs have been sold off on lucrative sites for development.

Times change. I am glad that I had the opportunity to experience the Dog Track at the height of its success. Fantastic nights were to be had there.
[quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times.[/p][/quote]I did used to go there in the week. It was free for elderly people and for many it was the only time they got out to socialise. The same person didn't run it for 80 years, silly!! That would be ridiculous - think about it! It was badly run - if you'd been there and knew the staff, you'd know that. And sorry you don't feel safe to go out, I hope you're not mugged. But when there's more going on at night, that's less likely to happen. Pubs aren't suffering because people are afraid to leave the house - ha ha! You're funny, you're like an elderly Catherine Tate character!!! Where do you live then?[/p][/quote]I live in Marylebone now but still have strong ties in Walthamstow and East London. I am sure that the Chandler family owned the Dog Track. Vic Chandler has moved on to greater things and with the times with Internet Betting. That is why he is a shrewd character, realised that the Dog Track was becoming old hat, flogged it on after mitigating any profits, Capital Gains Tax and so on through Gold Plated pensions for all those involved in the Shares. That is how business works. All these things have suffered for numerous reasons. Even working mens Clubs have been sold off on lucrative sites for development. Times change. I am glad that I had the opportunity to experience the Dog Track at the height of its success. Fantastic nights were to be had there. Cornbeefur
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6:12pm Wed 31 Oct 12

mdj says...

' the penthouse shared ownership flats in Leyton grange park road area are still all empty as are the retail units below...'
Interesting: they're very shoddily built; they were being repaired even before the work was finished. Perhaps you can, after all, underestimate the intelligence of the public.

Since some anti-EDL protesters broke the ban and had a small march last Saturday without getting arrested, it might be interesting for all the Dog Track campaigners to test the ban by marching to the Town Hall, and see how our 'listening' Council reacts.
' the penthouse shared ownership flats in Leyton grange park road area are still all empty as are the retail units below...' Interesting: they're very shoddily built; they were being repaired even before the work was finished. Perhaps you can, after all, underestimate the intelligence of the public. Since some anti-EDL protesters broke the ban and had a small march last Saturday without getting arrested, it might be interesting for all the Dog Track campaigners to test the ban by marching to the Town Hall, and see how our 'listening' Council reacts. mdj
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12:38am Thu 1 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

mdj wrote:
' the penthouse shared ownership flats in Leyton grange park road area are still all empty as are the retail units below...'
Interesting: they're very shoddily built; they were being repaired even before the work was finished. Perhaps you can, after all, underestimate the intelligence of the public.

Since some anti-EDL protesters broke the ban and had a small march last Saturday without getting arrested, it might be interesting for all the Dog Track campaigners to test the ban by marching to the Town Hall, and see how our 'listening' Council reacts.
They do seem to be made out of cardboard!
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' the penthouse shared ownership flats in Leyton grange park road area are still all empty as are the retail units below...' Interesting: they're very shoddily built; they were being repaired even before the work was finished. Perhaps you can, after all, underestimate the intelligence of the public. Since some anti-EDL protesters broke the ban and had a small march last Saturday without getting arrested, it might be interesting for all the Dog Track campaigners to test the ban by marching to the Town Hall, and see how our 'listening' Council reacts.[/p][/quote]They do seem to be made out of cardboard! Cornbeefur
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1:00pm Thu 1 Nov 12

SpursSupporter1 says...

Thatd be insultng Cardboard id say more like paper thin
Thatd be insultng Cardboard id say more like paper thin SpursSupporter1
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3:08pm Thu 1 Nov 12

JuniorCarter says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
JuniorCarter wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen.

The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now?

Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience,

If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track.

You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket).

You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won.

It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on.

The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock!

Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in.

Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision.

Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity.

Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on.

I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise.

Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment.

The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.
Bless -
Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses.

And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.
What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all.

People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy'

I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there.

Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years.

The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago.

This was a White Elephant in these times.
I did used to go there in the week. It was free for elderly people and for many it was the only time they got out to socialise.

The same person didn't run it for 80 years, silly!! That would be ridiculous - think about it! It was badly run - if you'd been there and knew the staff, you'd know that.

And sorry you don't feel safe to go out, I hope you're not mugged. But when there's more going on at night, that's less likely to happen.

Pubs aren't suffering because people are afraid to leave the house - ha ha! You're funny, you're like an elderly Catherine Tate character!!!

Where do you live then?
I live in Marylebone now but still have strong ties in Walthamstow and East London.

I am sure that the Chandler family owned the Dog Track.

Vic Chandler has moved on to greater things and with the times with Internet Betting. That is why he is a shrewd character, realised that the Dog Track was becoming old hat, flogged it on after mitigating any profits, Capital Gains Tax and so on through Gold Plated pensions for all those involved in the Shares. That is how business works.

All these things have suffered for numerous reasons. Even working mens Clubs have been sold off on lucrative sites for development.

Times change. I am glad that I had the opportunity to experience the Dog Track at the height of its success. Fantastic nights were to be had there.
I've got to ask, why someone living in Marlebone needs to spend every day on a forum about Waltham Forest? Surely you've got cinema's, theatres, eateries, bookshops you could better spend time in?

And, yes, Victor Chandler definitely had better business sense than the others (maybe why there was such animosity between them all?). They wouldn't sell it to him, and he disagreed with the way it was (badly) run.

But all the things you mention about it being 'old hat' and dying out elsewhere, are all dream USP's to a good marketeer!

Times have changed, and now marketing is King. As demonstrated by L&Q's slick marketing messages, and budgets spent on comms.

Now Mr (or Mrs) Cornbeefer, I suggest you go out and enjoy your neighbourhood and stop wasting your time telling us what's good for ours ;-).

All meant in the best possible spirit.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuniorCarter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Like I have said all a long, this was always going to happen. The track has been there since the thirties. How can it 'regenerate' the area now when since the thirties, the area has degenerated into the crime ridden, scary environment that it is now? Many of the people who want it back now never even went there when it was open and missed the boat and wished they had gone and experienced the glory years of a 'Night at the Stow' It was a fantastic experience, If you went with a bunch of blokes you could be up in the stands with a pint and run and put your bets on with the track side bookies to get better odds. Tick Tack men either side of the track. You could get a lovely basket meal of soup or chicken and chips (although soup was a bad option with the basket). You could have a more formal meal in one of three restaurants there, a great night for a Birthday or Christmas Party with Waitresses taking you Tote Bets, the thrill of winning, the excitement when dogs got balked and tossed in the air before the line (this was quite sad on occasion). The parades before the race, the thrill when the hare began to run, the ecstasy when you won. It is a crying shame now that many people let the place go to ruin through total lack of support for the Best Greyhound Track in the Country, the Iconic Facade, used in numerous TV ads, Feature Films, TV programmes, Documentaries, Pop videos and so on. The Death Knell arrives almost on Halloween. Conspiracy theorists are already making unfounded allegations on the thread 'Brown Envelope', utter poppycock! Why are people blaming Boris? 'Bye bye Boris' someone says above. he will not be going for a few years yet, he just got in. Techno raises an interesting point, Stella Creasy and the rest of the lefties have been instrumental in creating a ban so people cannot really protest against this decision. Ultimately, the Stow has had its day, it is old hat, people are in desperate need of housing and they days of Leisure, watching dogs run around the Track has passed like many other Tracks in the UK. Let us be proud and grateful (those who bothered to turn up at a Dog Meeting) that we had the opportunity. Alas, I feel that the people of Walthamstow are fed up with the Dog Track issue, the Granada situation and the Arcade Site. They want stability and movement on these issues in this dire economy and want to move on. I feel that the Granada will be the next institution to fall. In a dreadful economy people have to face reality of financial constraints. The Metropolitan Police announced today that they are selling Scotland Yard today! They have to economise. Parading in Darlek outfits outside the Granada will not save it nor will Trusts or campaigns. This is all about money. there is a large shortage of it at the moment. The Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearing pipe dreamers must get real. The Council and other bodies have very little money to spend on Follies for a minority and have to prioritise.[/p][/quote]Bless - Stow wasn't closed because it was unpopular, it was badly managed and had a crippling pension scheme, plus many other issues that are associated with long-term family run businesses. And the people of Walthamstow want viable night time economy, and venues in the borough that generate jobs, and make us unique and distinctive.[/p][/quote]What a visible Night Time economy like around the Bakers Arms? 24 Hour Bowls of Fruit and Veg, Chicken Shops, 'Social Clubs' Snooker, Betting Shops, Internet Cafes, Mini Cab Offices, encouraging the gangs (who get out of bed late after noon for a late shift) to loiter around the street corners dealing in whatever they deal in, without the sight of any Police at all. People are loathed to venture out, the Bingo Hall and what are left of the Pubs are suffering as people are afraid to walk the streets in the 'Night time economy' I have heard of some ridiculous arguments for the Stow remaining open but if you had ever been there when it was open during the week, there was hardly anyone there. Badly run? They manage to keep it going for over 80 years. The people who use to go there died or moved away a long time ago. This was a White Elephant in these times.[/p][/quote]I did used to go there in the week. It was free for elderly people and for many it was the only time they got out to socialise. The same person didn't run it for 80 years, silly!! That would be ridiculous - think about it! It was badly run - if you'd been there and knew the staff, you'd know that. And sorry you don't feel safe to go out, I hope you're not mugged. But when there's more going on at night, that's less likely to happen. Pubs aren't suffering because people are afraid to leave the house - ha ha! You're funny, you're like an elderly Catherine Tate character!!! Where do you live then?[/p][/quote]I live in Marylebone now but still have strong ties in Walthamstow and East London. I am sure that the Chandler family owned the Dog Track. Vic Chandler has moved on to greater things and with the times with Internet Betting. That is why he is a shrewd character, realised that the Dog Track was becoming old hat, flogged it on after mitigating any profits, Capital Gains Tax and so on through Gold Plated pensions for all those involved in the Shares. That is how business works. All these things have suffered for numerous reasons. Even working mens Clubs have been sold off on lucrative sites for development. Times change. I am glad that I had the opportunity to experience the Dog Track at the height of its success. Fantastic nights were to be had there.[/p][/quote]I've got to ask, why someone living in Marlebone needs to spend every day on a forum about Waltham Forest? Surely you've got cinema's, theatres, eateries, bookshops you could better spend time in? And, yes, Victor Chandler definitely had better business sense than the others (maybe why there was such animosity between them all?). They wouldn't sell it to him, and he disagreed with the way it was (badly) run. But all the things you mention about it being 'old hat' and dying out elsewhere, are all dream USP's to a good marketeer! Times have changed, and now marketing is King. As demonstrated by L&Q's slick marketing messages, and budgets spent on comms. Now Mr (or Mrs) Cornbeefer, I suggest you go out and enjoy your neighbourhood and stop wasting your time telling us what's good for ours ;-). All meant in the best possible spirit. JuniorCarter
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3:25pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Walthamster says...

Harry J wrote:
Crikey what a fuss!
Much needed housing or somewhere for greyhounds to chase a pretend rabbit while a few - and it was a few - people lose money on it?
Hmmmm - that's a diffciult one.
Housing in an overcrowded, under-resourced area is not "much needed".

It's the opposite: it makes matters worse.

It brings in more people to compete for the few amenities. And it removes from public use a space that previously provided amenities. We've lost jobs and entertainment at the Stow. In other places we've lost shops, workplaces and public open spaces. Those really are much needed!
[quote][p][bold]Harry J[/bold] wrote: Crikey what a fuss! Much needed housing or somewhere for greyhounds to chase a pretend rabbit while a few - and it was a few - people lose money on it? Hmmmm - that's a diffciult one.[/p][/quote]Housing in an overcrowded, under-resourced area is not "much needed". It's the opposite: it makes matters worse. It brings in more people to compete for the few amenities. And it removes from public use a space that previously provided amenities. We've lost jobs and entertainment at the Stow. In other places we've lost shops, workplaces and public open spaces. Those really are much needed! Walthamster
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5:56pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Ferdy54 says...

I think the idea of bringing dogs back is a bit of a non starter & always has been. Too many people seem to have got on that bandwagon for some reason. It wasn't viable in the end anyway & thats why it closed. If the Chandlers were making money from it, it would probably still be there.

There must be other uses the place can be turned into without being too controversial for everyone. I don't know how they will fit in 294 homes, which I assume will have cars & children. Both of which will make the surroundng area busier. Will Rushcroft/Walthamsto
w Academy/Chapel End schools be able to cope with more students?

In the meantime over the road at the stadium car park will be built a bus depot, a training centre & a car showroom!!! Plus also not to be forgotten is the proposal to build a 344-home housing development in Billet Road.
I think the idea of bringing dogs back is a bit of a non starter & always has been. Too many people seem to have got on that bandwagon for some reason. It wasn't viable in the end anyway & thats why it closed. If the Chandlers were making money from it, it would probably still be there. There must be other uses the place can be turned into without being too controversial for everyone. I don't know how they will fit in 294 homes, which I assume will have cars & children. Both of which will make the surroundng area busier. Will Rushcroft/Walthamsto w Academy/Chapel End schools be able to cope with more students? In the meantime over the road at the stadium car park will be built a bus depot, a training centre & a car showroom!!! Plus also not to be forgotten is the proposal to build a 344-home housing development in Billet Road. Ferdy54
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7:46pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Anthrozoon says...

It's a huge shame about the building but a positive step towards the demise of dog racing.
People don't realize the suffering caused to the dogs who are just money makers for the owners.

According to the charity Animal Aid 'About 10% of racing dogs suffer with injured toes, torn muscles and strained tendons, which can lead to arthritic joints, causing ongoing pain.
The average retirement age for a greyhound is 3-4 years old and they can live for 16 years. Every year, 10,000 dogs leave registered racing, but the Retired Greyhound Trust only organises homes for just over 3,000. Some of the remaining 7,000 dogs may find good homes, but others may be drowned, poisoned or shot.
It's a huge shame about the building but a positive step towards the demise of dog racing. People don't realize the suffering caused to the dogs who are just money makers for the owners. According to the charity Animal Aid 'About 10% of racing dogs suffer with injured toes, torn muscles and strained tendons, which can lead to arthritic joints, causing ongoing pain. The average retirement age for a greyhound is 3-4 years old and they can live for 16 years. Every year, 10,000 dogs leave registered racing, but the Retired Greyhound Trust only organises homes for just over 3,000. Some of the remaining 7,000 dogs may find good homes, but others may be drowned, poisoned or shot. Anthrozoon
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11:51pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

The letter and accompanying documents from Mayor Boris Johnson are now on our website for all to read.

http://stowresidents
.btck.co.uk/News
The letter and accompanying documents from Mayor Boris Johnson are now on our website for all to read. http://stowresidents .btck.co.uk/News Stow Residents/Community Association
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11:06am Fri 2 Nov 12

bishbosh says...

Someone on this thread needs to get a day job..continuing negativity with no positive alternatives. Why would a very successful and much sort after business man be prepared to spend 16 million on an unviable business, develop it and run it employing hundreds in compliance with the london living wage criteria that Boris cherishes so much. Because properly managed it would be a goldmine. I went regularly and it is true attendances have dropped. Tuesday nights were less attended than Thursdays and Saturdays when the restaurants were rammed. Mid week daytime racing was for the benefit of BAGS contracts for which the track received I believe 6k per meeting. The track was a financial vehicle for the family pension fund and even that was not properly run with massive topping up toward the end. To say that nobody went is incorrect and yes leisure tastes change. However someone said it is important that venues where people meet are fundamental..just look at the Olympics. Housing is also important but anyone who thinks that this development will reduce waiting lists just does not understand what has gone on or have ulterior motives or interests. Wow!!!! dogs are just money makers for their owners. Ban all farmers and smallholders and large food retailers that sell flesh. Eating meat is not a necessity but people enjoy doing it. How does that sit with the anti phylosophy?
Someone on this thread needs to get a day job..continuing negativity with no positive alternatives. Why would a very successful and much sort after business man be prepared to spend 16 million on an unviable business, develop it and run it employing hundreds in compliance with the london living wage criteria that Boris cherishes so much. Because properly managed it would be a goldmine. I went regularly and it is true attendances have dropped. Tuesday nights were less attended than Thursdays and Saturdays when the restaurants were rammed. Mid week daytime racing was for the benefit of BAGS contracts for which the track received I believe 6k per meeting. The track was a financial vehicle for the family pension fund and even that was not properly run with massive topping up toward the end. To say that nobody went is incorrect and yes leisure tastes change. However someone said it is important that venues where people meet are fundamental..just look at the Olympics. Housing is also important but anyone who thinks that this development will reduce waiting lists just does not understand what has gone on or have ulterior motives or interests. Wow!!!! dogs are just money makers for their owners. Ban all farmers and smallholders and large food retailers that sell flesh. Eating meat is not a necessity but people enjoy doing it. How does that sit with the anti phylosophy? bishbosh
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12:07pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Anthrozoon says...

Farming is not a sport, I don't see the comparison. Nor is the discussion about dietary preferences. I am pointing out that this sport can cause suffering - people used to think **** fighting and dog fighting was okay - we've moved on.

- it's Philosophy by the way, and moral philosophy at that.
Farming is not a sport, I don't see the comparison. Nor is the discussion about dietary preferences. I am pointing out that this sport can cause suffering - people used to think **** fighting and dog fighting was okay - we've moved on. - it's Philosophy by the way, and moral philosophy at that. Anthrozoon
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12:30pm Fri 2 Nov 12

bishbosh says...

Greyhound Racing is not officially recognised as a sport but a pastime. I dont see the comparison between clock and dog fighting and greyhound racing. I think I am pointing out that gratuitous meat eating has far worse implications
on the animal kingdom than greyhound racing and thanks for the spell chek. I hope I dont sound too pedantic
Greyhound Racing is not officially recognised as a sport but a pastime. I dont see the comparison between clock and dog fighting and greyhound racing. I think I am pointing out that gratuitous meat eating has far worse implications on the animal kingdom than greyhound racing and thanks for the spell chek. I hope I dont sound too pedantic bishbosh
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1:38pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Anthrozoon says...

I think the fact thats its organized and competitive makes it a sport. My reference to blood sports was a reminder that human attitudes to the use of animals for entertainment can change over time as people are more aware of the welfare of the animals. Many people today regard dogs as family members, companions and treat them as such. We they die, they are bereaved. Society has formed this dualistic and contradictory approach in which it can treat an animal of the same species, like the dog, as mans best friend but at the same time dog racing, fur trade, lab experiments and so on continues with little governance.

However Bishbosh, if we are going to go there - Yes, I am in complete agreement about the extravagance and heavy reliance on meat. The impact, both for human and non-human animals has many health and ethical issues that need to be addressed.
I think the fact thats its organized and competitive makes it a sport. My reference to blood sports was a reminder that human attitudes to the use of animals for entertainment can change over time as people are more aware of the welfare of the animals. Many people today regard dogs as family members, companions and treat them as such. We they die, they are bereaved. Society has formed this dualistic and contradictory approach in which it can treat an animal of the same species, like the dog, as mans best friend but at the same time dog racing, fur trade, lab experiments and so on continues with little governance. However Bishbosh, if we are going to go there - Yes, I am in complete agreement about the extravagance and heavy reliance on meat. The impact, both for human and non-human animals has many health and ethical issues that need to be addressed. Anthrozoon
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3:14pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

SOS protest:-

Date: Saturday 10th November 1pm
Venue: Walthamstow Greyhound Stadium
SOS protest:- Date: Saturday 10th November 1pm Venue: Walthamstow Greyhound Stadium Isaythat
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