Eric Pickles unable to intervene over Stow

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The government has said its Communities Secretary Eric Pickles cannot intervene in plans to build a housing estate at Walthamstow Stadium due to a council manoeuvre.

The controversial proposals to build 294 homes at the iconic former dog racing venue were first approved by Labour councillors back in May before Conservative London Mayor Boris Johnson agreed to final permission last week.

The only non-legal hope left to campaigners was that Mr Pickles could step in and overrule his Tory colleague on a planning rules technicality.

After the mayor gave his approval Waltham Forest Council had to formally acknowledge his decision before granting final planning permission.

Residents were told this would probably take 21 days and Mr Pickles could only intervene during this period.

But now it has emerged that the council fast-tracked the planning application and gave it final approval within 48 hours of the mayor announcing his decision, leaving Mr Pickles now powerless to intervene.

The Department for Communities and Local Government said Waltham Forest Council had acted "extremely quickly" but was legally entitled to do so.

It comes despite Mr Johnson saying his decision was "subject to any action the secretay of state may take".

The unusual move has been branded a "disgrace" by the Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents Association.

Spokeswoman Gail Penfold said they wanted to launch a judicial review to challenge Mr Johnson's decision to approve the plans.

But the group is currently looking for funding to afford such a move.

Ms Penfold said: "We are aware there is significant public interest and believe we have sufficient grounds to take this matter to judicial review.

"Had LBWF [the council] allowed Eric Pickles and his team sufficient time to receive all the relevant documents and make a decision we believe this action would not have been necessary."

Campaigners are due to hold a static protest outside Walthamstow Stadium, in Chingford Road, Chingford, at 1pm on Saturday (November 10).

There is currently a ban on moving marches in Waltham Forest due to a failed attempt by the far-right English Defence League (EDL) to hold a demonstration in Walthamstow last month.

The stadium closed in 2008 and campaigners have been calling for it to be reopened with dog racing ever since.

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11:30am Mon 5 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

Who knew LBWF could move so fast? it usually takes them months to even read through paperwork!.
As I have said on here previously, I am not particularly for the track coming back, but disliked the lies and deceit attached to this issue. Having read this report above and assuming it is factual, it appears Boris Johnson was only the frontman in all of this, without having any power at all. We will never know for sure if he agreed or disagreed - wimpish to say the least. This proves yet again we do not live in a democracy as we are led to believe.
Who knew LBWF could move so fast? it usually takes them months to even read through paperwork!. As I have said on here previously, I am not particularly for the track coming back, but disliked the lies and deceit attached to this issue. Having read this report above and assuming it is factual, it appears Boris Johnson was only the frontman in all of this, without having any power at all. We will never know for sure if he agreed or disagreed - wimpish to say the least. This proves yet again we do not live in a democracy as we are led to believe. Isaythat
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12:17pm Mon 5 Nov 12

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY says...

'this proves yet again we do not live in a democracy as we are led to believe'.

----

as ive repeatedly said, this has nothing to do with a dog track anymore. i entered into this because i was devastated my track had gone. not just my track, but the worlds greatest greyhound stadium.

but i have seen and read things that people wouldnt believe. its a complete scandal.

if it all comes out, the WHOLE TRUTH, expect arrests and, hopefully, prison sentences.
'this proves yet again we do not live in a democracy as we are led to believe'. ---- as ive repeatedly said, this has nothing to do with a dog track anymore. i entered into this because i was devastated my track had gone. not just my track, but the worlds greatest greyhound stadium. but i have seen and read things that people wouldnt believe. its a complete scandal. if it all comes out, the WHOLE TRUTH, expect arrests and, hopefully, prison sentences. L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY
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12:20pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents/Community Association have today instructed solicitors and are confident in being able to secure funding to take the matter to the High Court.
Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents/Community Association have today instructed solicitors and are confident in being able to secure funding to take the matter to the High Court. Stow Residents/Community Association
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12:28pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Well, well, well, just as I said last week, he is best of friends with Boris and the last thing he would do is overturn the decision. Paperwork and time frame is poppycock.

I hope all the contributors who sullied my good name will now get in an orderly queue to unashamedly apologise and help themselves to a large portion of Pickes's favorite Humble Pie.

'Secure funding for a legal action'

Dream on that will not happen either.

The Stow has finished long ago. Get real, take off the Cranberry Tinted Spectacles and move on.
Well, well, well, just as I said last week, he is best of friends with Boris and the last thing he would do is overturn the decision. Paperwork and time frame is poppycock. I hope all the contributors who sullied my good name will now get in an orderly queue to unashamedly apologise and help themselves to a large portion of Pickes's favorite Humble Pie. 'Secure funding for a legal action' Dream on that will not happen either. The Stow has finished long ago. Get real, take off the Cranberry Tinted Spectacles and move on. Cornbeefur
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12:43pm Mon 5 Nov 12

co2 says...

Scandalous behaviour from the council
Scandalous behaviour from the council co2
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12:54pm Mon 5 Nov 12

TTMAN says...

Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics
Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics TTMAN
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1:08pm Mon 5 Nov 12

howard0181 says...

"secure funding".....I do not forsee any problem with obtaining this....

I am very confident that a Judicial Review will quash L & Q's plans..The Court will go through every point on the development and the history of the planning process in a way that the Mayor of London failed to do.
"secure funding".....I do not forsee any problem with obtaining this.... I am very confident that a Judicial Review will quash L & Q's plans..The Court will go through every point on the development and the history of the planning process in a way that the Mayor of London failed to do. howard0181
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1:21pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

howard0181 wrote:
"secure funding".....I do not forsee any problem with obtaining this....

I am very confident that a Judicial Review will quash L & Q's plans..The Court will go through every point on the development and the history of the planning process in a way that the Mayor of London failed to do.
Really? Who is going to cough up and pay for the Legal Bill for this pointless folly? Easy to say when you are spending other peoples hard earned cash Sir!
[quote][p][bold]howard0181[/bold] wrote: "secure funding".....I do not forsee any problem with obtaining this.... I am very confident that a Judicial Review will quash L & Q's plans..The Court will go through every point on the development and the history of the planning process in a way that the Mayor of London failed to do.[/p][/quote]Really? Who is going to cough up and pay for the Legal Bill for this pointless folly? Easy to say when you are spending other peoples hard earned cash Sir! Cornbeefur
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1:39pm Mon 5 Nov 12

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY says...

cornedbeef - whats the joke about cranberry tinted glasses? ive read it about 30 times over the past couple of months - still not quite getting it.

as for an apology - an apology for what?

howard - you're confident and so am i!!!!

i am now, not only expecting the stadium returned on a silver platter by those scumbags at l&q, but also (and almost as satisfying) arrests to be made in a few different places.
cornedbeef - whats the joke about cranberry tinted glasses? ive read it about 30 times over the past couple of months - still not quite getting it. as for an apology - an apology for what? howard - you're confident and so am i!!!! i am now, not only expecting the stadium returned on a silver platter by those scumbags at l&q, but also (and almost as satisfying) arrests to be made in a few different places. L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY
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1:42pm Mon 5 Nov 12

livedheretoolong says...

‘Waltham Forest Council had acted "extremely quickly"

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry. As far as I know the only department in the council that acts quickly is parking enforcement. Make a mistake when parking and you will get a ticket from one of their enforcement officers in 30 seconds! They must have put them onto this job.
‘Waltham Forest Council had acted "extremely quickly" Don’t know whether to laugh or cry. As far as I know the only department in the council that acts quickly is parking enforcement. Make a mistake when parking and you will get a ticket from one of their enforcement officers in 30 seconds! They must have put them onto this job. livedheretoolong
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1:42pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Trevor 2 says...

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY wrote:
'this proves yet again we do not live in a democracy as we are led to believe'.

----

as ive repeatedly said, this has nothing to do with a dog track anymore. i entered into this because i was devastated my track had gone. not just my track, but the worlds greatest greyhound stadium.

but i have seen and read things that people wouldnt believe. its a complete scandal.

if it all comes out, the WHOLE TRUTH, expect arrests and, hopefully, prison sentences.
When has the truth EVER come from the LBWF Council?!
[quote][p][bold]L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY[/bold] wrote: 'this proves yet again we do not live in a democracy as we are led to believe'. ---- as ive repeatedly said, this has nothing to do with a dog track anymore. i entered into this because i was devastated my track had gone. not just my track, but the worlds greatest greyhound stadium. but i have seen and read things that people wouldnt believe. its a complete scandal. if it all comes out, the WHOLE TRUTH, expect arrests and, hopefully, prison sentences.[/p][/quote]When has the truth EVER come from the LBWF Council?! Trevor 2
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1:51pm Mon 5 Nov 12

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY says...

trevor - the truth wont be coming from the council. it will be dragged out into the open, eventually - and hopefully in a court of law.

the people of waltham forest may then get a decent council with backbone - not a bunch of moral-free cowards, who only show any interest when it involves bending over and taking it from a property developer.
trevor - the truth wont be coming from the council. it will be dragged out into the open, eventually - and hopefully in a court of law. the people of waltham forest may then get a decent council with backbone - not a bunch of moral-free cowards, who only show any interest when it involves bending over and taking it from a property developer. L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY
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1:53pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY wrote:
cornedbeef - whats the joke about cranberry tinted glasses? ive read it about 30 times over the past couple of months - still not quite getting it.

as for an apology - an apology for what?

howard - you're confident and so am i!!!!

i am now, not only expecting the stadium returned on a silver platter by those scumbags at l&q, but also (and almost as satisfying) arrests to be made in a few different places.
Some people where Cranberry Tinted Glasses. People who are walking around oblivious.

For example, some people honestly think that Dogs will chase a Toy Hare around The Stow again.

Others think that the Church who own the Granada will sell it to The Cinema Trust, financed with Taxpayers Monies as a private Folly for a few unrepresentative Film enthusiasts so they can watch The Mummy from Planet Zob type B Movies.

Returning to this subject, some wear Cranberry Tinted Spectacles with extra
Blackcurrant Visors and expect a Taxpayer Funded Legal challenge.

Sad part is, most of the people who are campaigning for the Stow now, never supported it when it was open and missed out.
[quote][p][bold]L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY[/bold] wrote: cornedbeef - whats the joke about cranberry tinted glasses? ive read it about 30 times over the past couple of months - still not quite getting it. as for an apology - an apology for what? howard - you're confident and so am i!!!! i am now, not only expecting the stadium returned on a silver platter by those scumbags at l&q, but also (and almost as satisfying) arrests to be made in a few different places.[/p][/quote]Some people where Cranberry Tinted Glasses. People who are walking around oblivious. For example, some people honestly think that Dogs will chase a Toy Hare around The Stow again. Others think that the Church who own the Granada will sell it to The Cinema Trust, financed with Taxpayers Monies as a private Folly for a few unrepresentative Film enthusiasts so they can watch The Mummy from Planet Zob type B Movies. Returning to this subject, some wear Cranberry Tinted Spectacles with extra Blackcurrant Visors and expect a Taxpayer Funded Legal challenge. Sad part is, most of the people who are campaigning for the Stow now, never supported it when it was open and missed out. Cornbeefur
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2:01pm Mon 5 Nov 12

howard0181 says...

Cornbeefur - Google "Judicial Review"....and then you will see can apply..........

This case will be the subject of JR.....I am confident that the Courts when they see the evidence will throw this development out........
Cornbeefur - Google "Judicial Review"....and then you will see can apply.......... This case will be the subject of JR.....I am confident that the Courts when they see the evidence will throw this development out........ howard0181
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2:13pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

howard0181 wrote:
Cornbeefur - Google "Judicial Review"....and then you will see can apply..........

This case will be the subject of JR.....I am confident that the Courts when they see the evidence will throw this development out........
I know what a JR is and this case has no legs.

It will be thrown out at the first hurdle, Anyone can apply, and even if by the remotest chance it gets past the first stage the Judge will ask the Applicant to show where the costs are going to come from if it fails and may ask for monies to be paid into court, at which point everyone will look at the ceiling or scarper through fear of PERSONALLY losing their shirts and houses.

Like the Granada, people try and close the stable door after the horse has bolted.

The Stow is finished. Take off the Cranberry Tinted Glasses.
[quote][p][bold]howard0181[/bold] wrote: Cornbeefur - Google "Judicial Review"....and then you will see can apply.......... This case will be the subject of JR.....I am confident that the Courts when they see the evidence will throw this development out........[/p][/quote]I know what a JR is and this case has no legs. It will be thrown out at the first hurdle, Anyone can apply, and even if by the remotest chance it gets past the first stage the Judge will ask the Applicant to show where the costs are going to come from if it fails and may ask for monies to be paid into court, at which point everyone will look at the ceiling or scarper through fear of PERSONALLY losing their shirts and houses. Like the Granada, people try and close the stable door after the horse has bolted. The Stow is finished. Take off the Cranberry Tinted Glasses. Cornbeefur
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2:14pm Mon 5 Nov 12

mdj says...

Any chance of the names of those who acted with such stunning alacrity? Certain Cllrs and officials owe me replies over varying periods, from several months to several years. it's nice to know that they're not all totally stricken with paralysis.
Any chance of the names of those who acted with such stunning alacrity? Certain Cllrs and officials owe me replies over varying periods, from several months to several years. it's nice to know that they're not all totally stricken with paralysis. mdj
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2:18pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Walthamster says...

mdj wrote:
Any chance of the names of those who acted with such stunning alacrity? Certain Cllrs and officials owe me replies over varying periods, from several months to several years. it's nice to know that they're not all totally stricken with paralysis.
Yes, we need to know the names and titles of those who rushed to outwit the people of this borough, as a favour to an outside developer.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: Any chance of the names of those who acted with such stunning alacrity? Certain Cllrs and officials owe me replies over varying periods, from several months to several years. it's nice to know that they're not all totally stricken with paralysis.[/p][/quote]Yes, we need to know the names and titles of those who rushed to outwit the people of this borough, as a favour to an outside developer. Walthamster
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2:20pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

TTMAN wrote:
Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics
Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure.

To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy?

She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest.

She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?
[quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics[/p][/quote]Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure. To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy? She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest. She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she? Techno3
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2:22pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Techno3 wrote:
TTMAN wrote:
Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics
Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure.

To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy?

She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest.

She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?
Totally, agree, spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics[/p][/quote]Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure. To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy? She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest. She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?[/p][/quote]Totally, agree, spot on. Cornbeefur
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2:23pm Mon 5 Nov 12

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY says...

cornbeef - but why cranberry and not rose tinted?

mdj - agreed - a truly stunning performance by the council. must have worked evenings and lunch hours to get it done that quickly - i wonder if they claimed time and a half???
cornbeef - but why cranberry and not rose tinted? mdj - agreed - a truly stunning performance by the council. must have worked evenings and lunch hours to get it done that quickly - i wonder if they claimed time and a half??? L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY
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2:26pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY wrote:
cornbeef - but why cranberry and not rose tinted?

mdj - agreed - a truly stunning performance by the council. must have worked evenings and lunch hours to get it done that quickly - i wonder if they claimed time and a half???
Because you can still see a little bit out of the Rose Tinted Spectacles

You can buy a pair of Cranberry Tinted Spectacles in Walthamstow Village, they sell like hot cakes up there.
[quote][p][bold]L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY[/bold] wrote: cornbeef - but why cranberry and not rose tinted? mdj - agreed - a truly stunning performance by the council. must have worked evenings and lunch hours to get it done that quickly - i wonder if they claimed time and a half???[/p][/quote]Because you can still see a little bit out of the Rose Tinted Spectacles You can buy a pair of Cranberry Tinted Spectacles in Walthamstow Village, they sell like hot cakes up there. Cornbeefur
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2:40pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Sam Hain says...

Techno3 wrote:
TTMAN wrote:
Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics
Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure.

To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy?

She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest.

She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?
As you yourself posit, Techno3, this presupposes that Stella has any friends in the Labour Council - not something we can, or I'm sure she does, take for granted. Somehow I can't see her being trampled in the stampede to save her constituency from the axe being wielded by the Boundary Commission.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics[/p][/quote]Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure. To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy? She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest. She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?[/p][/quote]As you yourself posit, Techno3, this presupposes that Stella has any friends in the Labour Council - not something we can, or I'm sure she does, take for granted. Somehow I can't see her being trampled in the stampede to save her constituency from the axe being wielded by the Boundary Commission. Sam Hain
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3:21pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

Sam Hain wrote:
Techno3 wrote:
TTMAN wrote:
Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics
Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure.

To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy?

She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest.

She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?
As you yourself posit, Techno3, this presupposes that Stella has any friends in the Labour Council - not something we can, or I'm sure she does, take for granted. Somehow I can't see her being trampled in the stampede to save her constituency from the axe being wielded by the Boundary Commission.
Its fascinating that she seems to have no friends there who could have given her a head's up on this.

Was the decision taken by the officers without any political oversight or instruction, by Chris Robbins personally, or by his cabinet? I'd like the paper to be very clear as to exactly who took this decision and under what legal (and political) authority they were purporting to act.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: Stella waxing lyrical on the subject right now. Daily Polotics[/p][/quote]Yack yack yack. I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council. Sometimes, you can judge a person by the quality of their enemies, but in this case I am really not so sure. To paraphrase IDS, what use is Stella Creasy? She can't even organise a protest march against this because she made sure that marches are banned in Waltham Forest. She has never spoken out about the corruption and lack of democracy in Waltham Forest Council. So what use is she?[/p][/quote]As you yourself posit, Techno3, this presupposes that Stella has any friends in the Labour Council - not something we can, or I'm sure she does, take for granted. Somehow I can't see her being trampled in the stampede to save her constituency from the axe being wielded by the Boundary Commission.[/p][/quote]Its fascinating that she seems to have no friends there who could have given her a head's up on this. Was the decision taken by the officers without any political oversight or instruction, by Chris Robbins personally, or by his cabinet? I'd like the paper to be very clear as to exactly who took this decision and under what legal (and political) authority they were purporting to act. Techno3
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3:26pm Mon 5 Nov 12

catnip10 says...

cranberry tinted spectacles? that's a new one on me. I've heard of rose tinted spectacles - maybe cornbeefur is confusing his fruits with his flowers.
cranberry tinted spectacles? that's a new one on me. I've heard of rose tinted spectacles - maybe cornbeefur is confusing his fruits with his flowers. catnip10
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3:28pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Someone has obviously given the Council the nod to deal with it quickly so who was this? Could have been Pickled himself or The Legal Department at LBWF.
Someone has obviously given the Council the nod to deal with it quickly so who was this? Could have been Pickled himself or The Legal Department at LBWF. Cornbeefur
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4:29pm Mon 5 Nov 12

waltham says...

This story may be wrong due to legal reasons and the actions of waltham Forest.

Marie cant get paid out by L&Q yet !!
This story may be wrong due to legal reasons and the actions of waltham Forest. Marie cant get paid out by L&Q yet !! waltham
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4:33pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Sam Hain says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Someone has obviously given the Council the nod to deal with it quickly so who was this? Could have been Pickled himself or The Legal Department at LBWF.
Pickled? Surely you're not suggesting the Sec of State is prone to a tipple which affected his judgment in this matter, Cornbeefur? Or perhaps the cranberry tinted spectacles caused you to miss the letter s and hit the d next to it on the qwerty keyboard? We all make typos but this is a corker!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Someone has obviously given the Council the nod to deal with it quickly so who was this? Could have been Pickled himself or The Legal Department at LBWF.[/p][/quote]Pickled? Surely you're not suggesting the Sec of State is prone to a tipple which affected his judgment in this matter, Cornbeefur? Or perhaps the cranberry tinted spectacles caused you to miss the letter s and hit the d next to it on the qwerty keyboard? We all make typos but this is a corker! Sam Hain
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4:40pm Mon 5 Nov 12

sensibility says...

So what happened to the 21 days?

If Waltham Forest Council acted too early cant this be overturned somehow?

I do hope that this gets heard in Court.
So what happened to the 21 days? If Waltham Forest Council acted too early cant this be overturned somehow? I do hope that this gets heard in Court. sensibility
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5:11pm Mon 5 Nov 12

mdj says...

' I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council.'

To be hated by this Council has to be a mark of credit for anybody.

I don't think it's beyond question that the legality of this haste may be open to challenge. When one recalls Mr Loakes' cardboard box fiasco, the £5 million Ascham Homes leaseholder disaster, and the Leyton Market cesspit, it's arguable that the council is relying on flawed (to put it kindly) legal advice.

Does the Tory group have something to say here, or is that too much to hope?
' I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council.' To be hated by this Council has to be a mark of credit for anybody. I don't think it's beyond question that the legality of this haste may be open to challenge. When one recalls Mr Loakes' cardboard box fiasco, the £5 million Ascham Homes leaseholder disaster, and the Leyton Market cesspit, it's arguable that the council is relying on flawed (to put it kindly) legal advice. Does the Tory group have something to say here, or is that too much to hope? mdj
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5:34pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

mdj wrote:
' I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council.'

To be hated by this Council has to be a mark of credit for anybody.

I don't think it's beyond question that the legality of this haste may be open to challenge. When one recalls Mr Loakes' cardboard box fiasco, the £5 million Ascham Homes leaseholder disaster, and the Leyton Market cesspit, it's arguable that the council is relying on flawed (to put it kindly) legal advice.

Does the Tory group have something to say here, or is that too much to hope?
You missed the Legal Department's handing of the appeal against the refusal to grant permisson for yet another betting shop in Walthamstow High Street. The police, who'd objected to the betting shop openly stated they feared the legal department would be useless, and lo and behold, the betting shop is now up and running.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' I am interested that none of Ms Creasy's friends on the Labour Council warned her about this. They really must hate her at the council.' To be hated by this Council has to be a mark of credit for anybody. I don't think it's beyond question that the legality of this haste may be open to challenge. When one recalls Mr Loakes' cardboard box fiasco, the £5 million Ascham Homes leaseholder disaster, and the Leyton Market cesspit, it's arguable that the council is relying on flawed (to put it kindly) legal advice. Does the Tory group have something to say here, or is that too much to hope?[/p][/quote]You missed the Legal Department's handing of the appeal against the refusal to grant permisson for yet another betting shop in Walthamstow High Street. The police, who'd objected to the betting shop openly stated they feared the legal department would be useless, and lo and behold, the betting shop is now up and running. Techno3
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6:41pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY wrote:
cornbeef - but why cranberry and not rose tinted?

mdj - agreed - a truly stunning performance by the council. must have worked evenings and lunch hours to get it done that quickly - i wonder if they claimed time and a half???
Because you can still see a little bit out of the Rose Tinted Spectacles

You can buy a pair of Cranberry Tinted Spectacles in Walthamstow Village, they sell like hot cakes up there.
Cranberry glass. Now opaque in Cornbeefur's universe.

In the normal world not so much. http://www.cranberry
glass.co.uk/
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]L&Q - PLEASEGOAWAY[/bold] wrote: cornbeef - but why cranberry and not rose tinted? mdj - agreed - a truly stunning performance by the council. must have worked evenings and lunch hours to get it done that quickly - i wonder if they claimed time and a half???[/p][/quote]Because you can still see a little bit out of the Rose Tinted Spectacles You can buy a pair of Cranberry Tinted Spectacles in Walthamstow Village, they sell like hot cakes up there.[/p][/quote]Cranberry glass. Now opaque in Cornbeefur's universe. In the normal world not so much. http://www.cranberry glass.co.uk/ Alan_1976
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8:33pm Mon 5 Nov 12

ajay567 says...

How many brown envelope's with money in has Boris got in his back pocket.
How many brown envelope's with money in has Boris got in his back pocket. ajay567
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9:35pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Budgetplus says...

I am a student of flags and was never happy with what was on display at the dogs.

I would be interested to know if anybody shares that view?

Flags can charm people and attract customers or do the opposite as the absence did in my case. I support the project but would like L and Q to have a really good display of flags to the front of the facade, to reflect the diversity of our borough!
I am a student of flags and was never happy with what was on display at the dogs. I would be interested to know if anybody shares that view? Flags can charm people and attract customers or do the opposite as the absence did in my case. I support the project but would like L and Q to have a really good display of flags to the front of the facade, to reflect the diversity of our borough! Budgetplus
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9:50pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

@ Budgetplus Our association with the help of LBWF ensured the torn decayed flags were replaced this summer.

The new flags are flying high and L&Q informed us via LBWF they had been replaced like for like.

Hope that is helpful
@ Budgetplus Our association with the help of LBWF ensured the torn decayed flags were replaced this summer. The new flags are flying high and L&Q informed us via LBWF they had been replaced like for like. Hope that is helpful Stow Residents/Community Association
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10:05pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Budgetplus says...

Thanks for that.

I will check and see if there is an Irish flag because all I used to see that looked like one was a faded Italian!

If not then a question is begged bearing in mind so many people that I meet of that ilk!
Thanks for that. I will check and see if there is an Irish flag because all I used to see that looked like one was a faded Italian! If not then a question is begged bearing in mind so many people that I meet of that ilk! Budgetplus
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7:30am Tue 6 Nov 12

Mr Brittas says...

If you look at the LBWF meetings calendar you will see that there were no scheduled meetings at all during the period from Boris making his call and Eric being asked to call it in. Presumption I know but I think this means the decision can only have been made by the officers and the leader over a cup of something somewhere.
If you look at the LBWF meetings calendar you will see that there were no scheduled meetings at all during the period from Boris making his call and Eric being asked to call it in. Presumption I know but I think this means the decision can only have been made by the officers and the leader over a cup of something somewhere. Mr Brittas
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10:43am Tue 6 Nov 12

NT says...

Presumably, the decision will eventually be recorded here:

http://democracy.wal
thamforest.gov.uk/ie
ListMeetings.aspx?CI
d=387&Year=0

Might be worth asking Mr Craxton when?
Presumably, the decision will eventually be recorded here: http://democracy.wal thamforest.gov.uk/ie ListMeetings.aspx?CI d=387&Year=0 Might be worth asking Mr Craxton when? NT
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12:56pm Tue 6 Nov 12

mdj says...

'.. I think this means the decision can only have been made by the officers and the leader over a cup of something somewhere.'

More 'Strong Leadership'? At least this means that there can be no doubt where the responsibility lies, and nowhere for them to hide.
'.. I think this means the decision can only have been made by the officers and the leader over a cup of something somewhere.' More 'Strong Leadership'? At least this means that there can be no doubt where the responsibility lies, and nowhere for them to hide. mdj
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1:09pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Bernard 87 says...

And so the decay of Waltham Forest continues....

This council would concrete over Epping Forest if they could so I'm not surprised they acted so quickly to seal the deal with L&Q. The slow merging of Chingford and Walthamstow will now really pick up.

As for poor Stella. She's useless. I've never heard her comment on the poor leadership of the council, the shabbiness and general unpleasant nature of the area, the high crime rate or the fact that it was (and is) a Labour council who are responsible for much loved smaller shops closing down only to be replaced by bookies.

All she seems to crack on about is diversity.
And so the decay of Waltham Forest continues.... This council would concrete over Epping Forest if they could so I'm not surprised they acted so quickly to seal the deal with L&Q. The slow merging of Chingford and Walthamstow will now really pick up. As for poor Stella. She's useless. I've never heard her comment on the poor leadership of the council, the shabbiness and general unpleasant nature of the area, the high crime rate or the fact that it was (and is) a Labour council who are responsible for much loved smaller shops closing down only to be replaced by bookies. All she seems to crack on about is diversity. Bernard 87
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2:35pm Thu 8 Nov 12

JuniorCarter says...

Bernard 87 wrote:
And so the decay of Waltham Forest continues....

This council would concrete over Epping Forest if they could so I'm not surprised they acted so quickly to seal the deal with L&Q. The slow merging of Chingford and Walthamstow will now really pick up.

As for poor Stella. She's useless. I've never heard her comment on the poor leadership of the council, the shabbiness and general unpleasant nature of the area, the high crime rate or the fact that it was (and is) a Labour council who are responsible for much loved smaller shops closing down only to be replaced by bookies.

All she seems to crack on about is diversity.
Stella works very hard for Walthamstow, but MP's actually have far less power than local Cllrs.

It's a shame more people aren't more thoughtful and exercise their vote in Council elections more carefully!

Have a look at her website before you decide that 'all she cracks on about is diversity' - that's just not true.

It's the Council who would deal with crime, shabiness, small shops etc- so it's them that you need to lobby not the MP.

Which ward do you live in? You can find out here http://www.writetoth
em.com

MP's have no power to do anything about the poor leadership in the Council either.

Honestly, local Cllrs have all the power for local matters!
[quote][p][bold]Bernard 87[/bold] wrote: And so the decay of Waltham Forest continues.... This council would concrete over Epping Forest if they could so I'm not surprised they acted so quickly to seal the deal with L&Q. The slow merging of Chingford and Walthamstow will now really pick up. As for poor Stella. She's useless. I've never heard her comment on the poor leadership of the council, the shabbiness and general unpleasant nature of the area, the high crime rate or the fact that it was (and is) a Labour council who are responsible for much loved smaller shops closing down only to be replaced by bookies. All she seems to crack on about is diversity.[/p][/quote]Stella works very hard for Walthamstow, but MP's actually have far less power than local Cllrs. It's a shame more people aren't more thoughtful and exercise their vote in Council elections more carefully! Have a look at her website before you decide that 'all she cracks on about is diversity' - that's just not true. It's the Council who would deal with crime, shabiness, small shops etc- so it's them that you need to lobby not the MP. Which ward do you live in? You can find out here http://www.writetoth em.com MP's have no power to do anything about the poor leadership in the Council either. Honestly, local Cllrs have all the power for local matters! JuniorCarter
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8:20am Fri 9 Nov 12

Bernard 87 says...

Most of what she bangs on about is useless rubbish. Stella used to be a part of the Labour group and in part should share some of the blame for the mess that party have made of many parts of the borough. For a lady who constantly calls Walthamstow 'Awesomestow' she must be either deluded or walks around with her eyes closed. Walthamstow could be 'awesome', there's some beautiful houses and lots of history to the place but her ex colleagues are slowly killing off the area to anyone that wants to set up home in the borough who work, want to raise children and add to the community as they prefer the transient type of resident.

I do agree with you though that people need to be more selective about who they vote for if they want to see positive change in the borough south of the A406 but it would be good to hear her put pressure on the council to improve the area.
Most of what she bangs on about is useless rubbish. Stella used to be a part of the Labour group and in part should share some of the blame for the mess that party have made of many parts of the borough. For a lady who constantly calls Walthamstow 'Awesomestow' she must be either deluded or walks around with her eyes closed. Walthamstow could be 'awesome', there's some beautiful houses and lots of history to the place but her ex colleagues are slowly killing off the area to anyone that wants to set up home in the borough who work, want to raise children and add to the community as they prefer the transient type of resident. I do agree with you though that people need to be more selective about who they vote for if they want to see positive change in the borough south of the A406 but it would be good to hear her put pressure on the council to improve the area. Bernard 87
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12:00pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

New post on saveourstow.wordpres
s.com

Special announcement to be made at tomorrow demo
by saveourstow

Iain Duncan Smith will be making a very important announcement at tomorrow’s demonstration outside Walthamstow Stadium at 1pm. The fight is not over and so we are asking everyone to show their support tomorrow.

Please Facebook this post to all your family and friends, we need everyone to attend!
New post on saveourstow.wordpres s.com Special announcement to be made at tomorrow demo by saveourstow Iain Duncan Smith will be making a very important announcement at tomorrow’s demonstration outside Walthamstow Stadium at 1pm. The fight is not over and so we are asking everyone to show their support tomorrow. Please Facebook this post to all your family and friends, we need everyone to attend! Isaythat
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7:24am Sat 10 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Isaythat wrote:
New post on saveourstow.wordpres

s.com

Special announcement to be made at tomorrow demo
by saveourstow

Iain Duncan Smith will be making a very important announcement at tomorrow’s demonstration outside Walthamstow Stadium at 1pm. The fight is not over and so we are asking everyone to show their support tomorrow.

Please Facebook this post to all your family and friends, we need everyone to attend!
Yes, he will probably say 'do not hold up your hopes, Dog racing finished here 4 years ago as the attendances were low'
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: New post on saveourstow.wordpres s.com Special announcement to be made at tomorrow demo by saveourstow Iain Duncan Smith will be making a very important announcement at tomorrow’s demonstration outside Walthamstow Stadium at 1pm. The fight is not over and so we are asking everyone to show their support tomorrow. Please Facebook this post to all your family and friends, we need everyone to attend![/p][/quote]Yes, he will probably say 'do not hold up your hopes, Dog racing finished here 4 years ago as the attendances were low' Cornbeefur
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9:15am Sat 10 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Isaythat wrote:
New post on saveourstow.wordpres


s.com

Special announcement to be made at tomorrow demo
by saveourstow

Iain Duncan Smith will be making a very important announcement at tomorrow’s demonstration outside Walthamstow Stadium at 1pm. The fight is not over and so we are asking everyone to show their support tomorrow.

Please Facebook this post to all your family and friends, we need everyone to attend!
Yes, he will probably say 'do not hold up your hopes, Dog racing finished here 4 years ago as the attendances were low'
Or he might say something based on facts as opposed to the strange items in your head.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: New post on saveourstow.wordpres s.com Special announcement to be made at tomorrow demo by saveourstow Iain Duncan Smith will be making a very important announcement at tomorrow’s demonstration outside Walthamstow Stadium at 1pm. The fight is not over and so we are asking everyone to show their support tomorrow. Please Facebook this post to all your family and friends, we need everyone to attend![/p][/quote]Yes, he will probably say 'do not hold up your hopes, Dog racing finished here 4 years ago as the attendances were low'[/p][/quote]Or he might say something based on facts as opposed to the strange items in your head. E17_er
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10:39am Sat 10 Nov 12

bishbosh says...

It is the local councillors who are ultimately to blame. It is they that wanted this from the beginning. Car park with two or three businesses and 300 new council taxes. Loakes Pye or Robbins should turn up at the demonstration today to explain the benefits this will bring to the community along with the four nodding dogs that voted this through under a strong whip. The sums on this are clear. 400 lost jobs and nightime economy in return for a handful of jobs to service the community centre and other leisure facilities that can be found locally. Two business across the road paying commercial rates to the council, one business transferred from council land and a car showroom. Provision of no social rent and less than 20% affordable (80% of market rate) or 10K down and a 6% mortgage supplied by L and Q. Make no mistake anyone short of "much needed" 1 bed housing will pay a minimum of £750 per month plus service charges of 150 per month plus car parking space (200 spaces to service 300 homes plus workers plus visitors) or 250k plus for 1 bedroom. How is this benefitting local housing needs and delivering promises made by the current "socialist" regime? Of course it does not. It provides a long term cash cow for both the council and L and Q. Local people who have been ignored in the process will have to grin and bear it. Why do some on this thread bang on about just dog racing? Its more democratically fundamental than that. Follow the trail of public money into private purses without proper value for money..lets have a discussion about that rather than idiotic provocative statements that have very little to do with reality or getting a better deal for taxpayers
It is the local councillors who are ultimately to blame. It is they that wanted this from the beginning. Car park with two or three businesses and 300 new council taxes. Loakes Pye or Robbins should turn up at the demonstration today to explain the benefits this will bring to the community along with the four nodding dogs that voted this through under a strong whip. The sums on this are clear. 400 lost jobs and nightime economy in return for a handful of jobs to service the community centre and other leisure facilities that can be found locally. Two business across the road paying commercial rates to the council, one business transferred from council land and a car showroom. Provision of no social rent and less than 20% affordable (80% of market rate) or 10K down and a 6% mortgage supplied by L and Q. Make no mistake anyone short of "much needed" 1 bed housing will pay a minimum of £750 per month plus service charges of 150 per month plus car parking space (200 spaces to service 300 homes plus workers plus visitors) or 250k plus for 1 bedroom. How is this benefitting local housing needs and delivering promises made by the current "socialist" regime? Of course it does not. It provides a long term cash cow for both the council and L and Q. Local people who have been ignored in the process will have to grin and bear it. Why do some on this thread bang on about just dog racing? Its more democratically fundamental than that. Follow the trail of public money into private purses without proper value for money..lets have a discussion about that rather than idiotic provocative statements that have very little to do with reality or getting a better deal for taxpayers bishbosh
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