CPZ consultation results revealed

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Residents and businesses are happy proposals for new Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) have been rejected in Highams Park Residents and businesses are happy proposals for new Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) have been rejected in Highams Park

PROPOSALS for new Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) have been rejected in Highams Park but will be introduced near Chingford station following a consultation with residents.

The council has been holding a vote over the plans in the last few weeks and has now partly revealed the results.

It said a majority of respondents had voted in favour of the new measures in seven streets in the immediate vicinity of Chingford station.

A CPZ will now be introduced in Connaught Road, Cart Lane, Springfield Rd, Cross Road, Garfield Road, Stanley Road and Queens Grove Road.

However the plans were rejected everywhere else.

The proposals caused controversy due to claims they would cost residents and businesses money.

More than 700 people signed a petition against the plans - but 300 signed a rival petition supporting them.

Conservative opposition leader Cllr Matt Davis said most residents were against new parking measures except for near the station because of concerns about commuter parking.

Cllr Clyde Loakes, the cabinet member for environment, denied claims that there had been problems with the distribution of the voting forms.

However he revealed that the authority had changed its contractors who were responsible for delivering consultation papers during a similar exercise in Leyton and Leytonstone, which was criticised by anti-CPZ campaigners.

He said more than 50 per cent of households took part in the consultation but did not provide an exact figure.

Cllr Loakes said: "The number of residents who responded to the CPZ consultation was incredibly high – over half the people in the area returned the form and in some roads 85 per cent of residents responded.

“The result is that seven roads have voted in favour of a CPZ being established, with 67 per cent of residents in those roads voting in favour of the idea.

"We will now look to work up designs for the implementation of a CPZ in that seven road area."

He added: “The degree of engagement in this process means that this result reflects very keenly what residents wanted, which is obviously of paramount importance.

"It’s also a ringing endorsement of the lengths we went to in order to ensure that the people of North Chingford were made aware of the consultation, received their forms and cast their votes.

“In Highams Park there was also a fantastic response, but there was not the clear cut majority required to implement a CPZ in any part of the area.”

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3:04pm Wed 7 Nov 12

leyton_man says...

By the way, were the figures for the Leyton/leytonstone CPZ votes ever released.
I only ask as the Barclay Estate voted overwhelmingly against its proposed introduction a year or so ago, seems odd that some roads are now in favour.
I know for a fact that Peterborough road is a doddle to park on all day long, only getting busy when residents return home from work. SO no CPZ is going to make a difference, only to fill the bucket for the criminally inept council.
By the way, were the figures for the Leyton/leytonstone CPZ votes ever released. I only ask as the Barclay Estate voted overwhelmingly against its proposed introduction a year or so ago, seems odd that some roads are now in favour. I know for a fact that Peterborough road is a doddle to park on all day long, only getting busy when residents return home from work. SO no CPZ is going to make a difference, only to fill the bucket for the criminally inept council. leyton_man
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10:46am Thu 8 Nov 12

CLMP says...

CPZs are clearly a moneymaking scam - if they really cared about the area permits would be free for local residents and businesses and their visitors. If they are just to discourage commutors just an hour or two in the middle of the day would do the job.
CPZs are clearly a moneymaking scam - if they really cared about the area permits would be free for local residents and businesses and their visitors. If they are just to discourage commutors just an hour or two in the middle of the day would do the job. CLMP
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11:13am Thu 8 Nov 12

Dwtuning says...

The residents are idiots
The residents are idiots Dwtuning
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12:06pm Thu 8 Nov 12

SXH says...

CLMP wrote:
CPZs are clearly a moneymaking scam - if they really cared about the area permits would be free for local residents and businesses and their visitors. If they are just to discourage commutors just an hour or two in the middle of the day would do the job.
I agree with you here, but the council will say just by catching commuters is not enough to run the scheme, so the rest have to pay.

There is a meeting tonight councillor candidate Joe dyer at Ivory House Leytonstone regarding this,

i have not seen any results yet regarding Leyton/Leytonstone,
[quote][p][bold]CLMP[/bold] wrote: CPZs are clearly a moneymaking scam - if they really cared about the area permits would be free for local residents and businesses and their visitors. If they are just to discourage commutors just an hour or two in the middle of the day would do the job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you here, but the council will say just by catching commuters is not enough to run the scheme, so the rest have to pay. There is a meeting tonight councillor candidate Joe dyer at Ivory House Leytonstone regarding this, i have not seen any results yet regarding Leyton/Leytonstone, SXH
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1:00pm Thu 8 Nov 12

LHorton says...

Councillors distributed a letter in Upper Leytonstone with our results which I reproduced with some extra stats on my website:http://leyto
nstonetoday.net/2012
/10/23/no-to-cpz/. I've looked on the Council website a few times but not seen the breakdown on there. If anyone finds a breakdown for other parts of Leytonstone I'd be happy to put that on www.leytonstonetoday
.net as well.
Councillors distributed a letter in Upper Leytonstone with our results which I reproduced with some extra stats on my website:http://leyto nstonetoday.net/2012 /10/23/no-to-cpz/. I've looked on the Council website a few times but not seen the breakdown on there. If anyone finds a breakdown for other parts of Leytonstone I'd be happy to put that on www.leytonstonetoday .net as well. LHorton
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1:39pm Thu 8 Nov 12

SXH says...

LHorton Thanks i have checked yours out, seen nothing for South Leytonstone,
LHorton Thanks i have checked yours out, seen nothing for South Leytonstone, SXH
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5:37pm Thu 8 Nov 12

AirForceOne says...

Dwtuning wrote:
The residents are idiots
a bit strong, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Dwtuning[/bold] wrote: The residents are idiots[/p][/quote]a bit strong, isn't it? AirForceOne
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11:28pm Thu 8 Nov 12

gary300 says...

Its unfortunate that the residents have voted in favour of CPZ. The implications are vast as commuters will not stop parking to catch trains they will park a little further away. This then leads to other roads being turned into CPZ zones and then continues to spread further and further out. This happened in Walthamstow as the original CPZ was the streets around the station and now is as far as Lloyd Park, but commuters still park in the area and walk to the station. The council tried to introduce CPZ almost as far as the Crooked Billet roundabout but was voted against. I have no doubt that it has contributed to the demise of Walthamstow business.
I firmly believe that the agenda of the council is to make the whole of Walthamforest CPZ
Its unfortunate that the residents have voted in favour of CPZ. The implications are vast as commuters will not stop parking to catch trains they will park a little further away. This then leads to other roads being turned into CPZ zones and then continues to spread further and further out. This happened in Walthamstow as the original CPZ was the streets around the station and now is as far as Lloyd Park, but commuters still park in the area and walk to the station. The council tried to introduce CPZ almost as far as the Crooked Billet roundabout but was voted against. I have no doubt that it has contributed to the demise of Walthamstow business. I firmly believe that the agenda of the council is to make the whole of Walthamforest CPZ gary300
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11:36pm Thu 8 Nov 12

SXH says...

AirForceOne wrote:
Dwtuning wrote: The residents are idiots
a bit strong, isn't it?
Sounds like Dwtuning works for the borough..
[quote][p][bold]AirForceOne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dwtuning[/bold] wrote: The residents are idiots[/p][/quote]a bit strong, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Sounds like Dwtuning works for the borough.. SXH
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6:41am Fri 9 Nov 12

Spoons1972 says...

gary300 wrote:
Its unfortunate that the residents have voted in favour of CPZ. The implications are vast as commuters will not stop parking to catch trains they will park a little further away. This then leads to other roads being turned into CPZ zones and then continues to spread further and further out. This happened in Walthamstow as the original CPZ was the streets around the station and now is as far as Lloyd Park, but commuters still park in the area and walk to the station. The council tried to introduce CPZ almost as far as the Crooked Billet roundabout but was voted against. I have no doubt that it has contributed to the demise of Walthamstow business. I firmly believe that the agenda of the council is to make the whole of Walthamforest CPZ
They don't just walk to the station, some are more organised than that and actually club together to share the cost of parking one car at the station car park while using the roads around Lloyd Park to park the others for the day for free.
[quote][p][bold]gary300[/bold] wrote: Its unfortunate that the residents have voted in favour of CPZ. The implications are vast as commuters will not stop parking to catch trains they will park a little further away. This then leads to other roads being turned into CPZ zones and then continues to spread further and further out. This happened in Walthamstow as the original CPZ was the streets around the station and now is as far as Lloyd Park, but commuters still park in the area and walk to the station. The council tried to introduce CPZ almost as far as the Crooked Billet roundabout but was voted against. I have no doubt that it has contributed to the demise of Walthamstow business. I firmly believe that the agenda of the council is to make the whole of Walthamforest CPZ[/p][/quote]They don't just walk to the station, some are more organised than that and actually club together to share the cost of parking one car at the station car park while using the roads around Lloyd Park to park the others for the day for free. Spoons1972
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1:57pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Dwtuning says...

AirForceOne wrote:
Dwtuning wrote:
The residents are idiots
a bit strong, isn't it?
Perhaps idiots IS too strong. Short sighted ignoramus perhaps fits better.

The CPZ is a cancer which will spread. The businesses in the roads affected will struggle, the shopkeepers will park in unaffected roads as will the commuters. Then the council will come along in 6 months time asking those people affected by this exodus if THEY would like a CPZ and perhaps the majority will be more in favour and the CPZ spreads.

You've opened Pandoras box in North Chingford, theres no closing it. I hope you are proud.

And best of all YOU STILL WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK OUTSIDE YOUR OWN HOUSE yet you'll pay for the privelidge from now on. Congratulations.
[quote][p][bold]AirForceOne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dwtuning[/bold] wrote: The residents are idiots[/p][/quote]a bit strong, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Perhaps idiots IS too strong. Short sighted ignoramus perhaps fits better. The CPZ is a cancer which will spread. The businesses in the roads affected will struggle, the shopkeepers will park in unaffected roads as will the commuters. Then the council will come along in 6 months time asking those people affected by this exodus if THEY would like a CPZ and perhaps the majority will be more in favour and the CPZ spreads. You've opened Pandoras box in North Chingford, theres no closing it. I hope you are proud. And best of all YOU STILL WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK OUTSIDE YOUR OWN HOUSE yet you'll pay for the privelidge from now on. Congratulations. Dwtuning
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3:50pm Fri 9 Nov 12

pussypants says...

I live on one of these seven rds and have spoken to several neighbors and they ALL were completely against this. The fact that I am gonna have to pay so I can park outside my own house is absolutely disgraceful! Residents should get a permit given to them.i understand it is to discourage commuters and a 10-11 or/ and 3-4 parking restriction would sort that issue. Ridiculous measures that will affect residents, businesses, family members more than anyone. Well done Waltham Forest, u did it again !,,,
I live on one of these seven rds and have spoken to several neighbors and they ALL were completely against this. The fact that I am gonna have to pay so I can park outside my own house is absolutely disgraceful! Residents should get a permit given to them.i understand it is to discourage commuters and a 10-11 or/ and 3-4 parking restriction would sort that issue. Ridiculous measures that will affect residents, businesses, family members more than anyone. Well done Waltham Forest, u did it again !,,, pussypants
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6:38pm Fri 9 Nov 12

AirForceOne says...

Dwtuning wrote:
AirForceOne wrote:
Dwtuning wrote:
The residents are idiots
a bit strong, isn't it?
Perhaps idiots IS too strong. Short sighted ignoramus perhaps fits better.

The CPZ is a cancer which will spread. The businesses in the roads affected will struggle, the shopkeepers will park in unaffected roads as will the commuters. Then the council will come along in 6 months time asking those people affected by this exodus if THEY would like a CPZ and perhaps the majority will be more in favour and the CPZ spreads.

You've opened Pandoras box in North Chingford, theres no closing it. I hope you are proud.

And best of all YOU STILL WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK OUTSIDE YOUR OWN HOUSE yet you'll pay for the privelidge from now on. Congratulations.
In case you hadnt noticed, parking has already reached a ridiculous level.

The CPZ does have faults. Alas, our councillors have no backbone and when all is said and done it is us who put them there. A perfectly sensible solution could be implemented if the councillors were of a mind to do it. But they arent.

A simple compromise would be to have Pay and Display rather than, or as well as, the blue visitor tickets. This would eliminate the commuters and free up space. The residents wont want to be bothered going to teh machine all the time and so a sensibly priced CPZ would eventually be acceptable.

Other CPZs have this solution.

Its not CPZ that is the problem, its the way it is used and therefore it is the councillors who are the problem.

The 15 minutes free alleviated a lot of the grievance of the voucher system, seeing as mist people just pop in and out. For those staying longer, the voucher isnt so bad, you get used to it.

If there were no control, then there would be no parking at all after 9am. Businesses would have their staff parking there all day long and that helps no-one, least of all the businesses who are moaning about a CPZ.
The solution is to vote in a number of councillors who will change the system to favour the user rather than the council.

I agree totally that CPZ is not desirable. But seeing as that is all that is on offer then I don't see there is a viable choice. Apart from the Pay and Display option to allow flexibility.

Either that or stand for election and fix the problem that way. But, like you, like everyone else, I haven't got the time to do it, nor indeed the inclination. And that, Mr Tuning, is where all of us are going wrong. Too much talk and not enough action.

And your attraction of idiots is noted and appreciated. May I suggest an alternative - "selfish, shortsighted but long suffering neighbours who have had enough of commuters taking liberties". Ok, maybe your version was easier!!
[quote][p][bold]Dwtuning[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AirForceOne[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dwtuning[/bold] wrote: The residents are idiots[/p][/quote]a bit strong, isn't it?[/p][/quote]Perhaps idiots IS too strong. Short sighted ignoramus perhaps fits better. The CPZ is a cancer which will spread. The businesses in the roads affected will struggle, the shopkeepers will park in unaffected roads as will the commuters. Then the council will come along in 6 months time asking those people affected by this exodus if THEY would like a CPZ and perhaps the majority will be more in favour and the CPZ spreads. You've opened Pandoras box in North Chingford, theres no closing it. I hope you are proud. And best of all YOU STILL WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK OUTSIDE YOUR OWN HOUSE yet you'll pay for the privelidge from now on. Congratulations.[/p][/quote]In case you hadnt noticed, parking has already reached a ridiculous level. The CPZ does have faults. Alas, our councillors have no backbone and when all is said and done it is us who put them there. A perfectly sensible solution could be implemented if the councillors were of a mind to do it. But they arent. A simple compromise would be to have Pay and Display rather than, or as well as, the blue visitor tickets. This would eliminate the commuters and free up space. The residents wont want to be bothered going to teh machine all the time and so a sensibly priced CPZ would eventually be acceptable. Other CPZs have this solution. Its not CPZ that is the problem, its the way it is used and therefore it is the councillors who are the problem. The 15 minutes free alleviated a lot of the grievance of the voucher system, seeing as mist people just pop in and out. For those staying longer, the voucher isnt so bad, you get used to it. If there were no control, then there would be no parking at all after 9am. Businesses would have their staff parking there all day long and that helps no-one, least of all the businesses who are moaning about a CPZ. The solution is to vote in a number of councillors who will change the system to favour the user rather than the council. I agree totally that CPZ is not desirable. But seeing as that is all that is on offer then I don't see there is a viable choice. Apart from the Pay and Display option to allow flexibility. Either that or stand for election and fix the problem that way. But, like you, like everyone else, I haven't got the time to do it, nor indeed the inclination. And that, Mr Tuning, is where all of us are going wrong. Too much talk and not enough action. And your attraction of idiots is noted and appreciated. May I suggest an alternative - "selfish, shortsighted but long suffering neighbours who have had enough of commuters taking liberties". Ok, maybe your version was easier!! AirForceOne
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6:28pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Dwtuning says...

Just because a CPZ is the only option on the table does not mean we should accept it. We live in a democracy and should be able to discuss these things before having them imposed on us. This CPZ is akin to cracking an egg with a mallet.

As it stands, less than 33% of residents in Stanley road voted for a CPZ and its being implemented. I imagine the 53% who didn't vote either didn't get a form, didn't realise the unnamed envelope wasn't junk mail or worse still thought that by not replying thier vote would be counted as a no.

It's too late for this 53% to speak up and overturn the decision. The first many of them will know about is when they get a parking ticket or a bill for a permit

It's completely flawed and completely against the spirit of north Chingford. As a business owner, as soon as my lease is up, I am out of here.
Just because a CPZ is the only option on the table does not mean we should accept it. We live in a democracy and should be able to discuss these things before having them imposed on us. This CPZ is akin to cracking an egg with a mallet. As it stands, less than 33% of residents in Stanley road voted for a CPZ and its being implemented. I imagine the 53% who didn't vote either didn't get a form, didn't realise the unnamed envelope wasn't junk mail or worse still thought that by not replying thier vote would be counted as a no. It's too late for this 53% to speak up and overturn the decision. The first many of them will know about is when they get a parking ticket or a bill for a permit It's completely flawed and completely against the spirit of north Chingford. As a business owner, as soon as my lease is up, I am out of here. Dwtuning
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