Campaigners defiant over Walthamstow Stadium

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Campaigners defiant as developers prepare to build on Walthamstow Stadium Campaigners defiant as developers prepare to build on Walthamstow Stadium

CAMPAIGNERS against a housing estate set to be built on Walthamstow Stadium gathered in defiance last week as they prepare for a last-ditch attempt to prevent the build.

The protesters counted ex-footballer Teddy Sheringham and 'Allo 'Allo actress Vicky Michelle in their numbers as they demonstrated outside the iconic former dog track in Chingford Road, Walthamstow, on Saturday.

Controversial plans to build 294 homes at the iconic former dog racing track were approved by Waltham Forest Council earlier this year before being rubber stamped by Mayor of London Boris Johnson last month.

Campaigners had been clinging to the hope that Eric Pickles, Secretary of State for communities, would intervene, but the council completed the final paperwork to grant planning permission within 48 hours of Mr Johnson's decision, leaving the government powerless to block the development.

It means Save Our Stow (SOS), which wants to see a return of greyhound racing, and Walthamstow Stadium Residents/Community Association have started legal proceedings for a judicial review against the approval of housing developer London & Quadrant's (L&Q) scheme.

Residents association chair Gail Penfold said: "We remain defiant, we're determined to fight this.We have overwhelming public support.

"We had cars stopping in the road for drivers to jump out to sign the petitions on Saturday and if we get the funds then we're confident."

The campaigners are considering applying for legal funding, which could also protect them from paying the council's costs if they lose.

SOS member Ricky Holloway claimed there are around 60 reasons the approval should not have been granted, including overdevelopment and a lack of affordable housing.

Meanwhile, Chingford MP Iain Duncan Smith and Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy met Mr Pickles yesterday to discuss the issue.

A joint statement from the pair read: "The Secretary of State listened and understood our situation and has asked officials to look into how the council handled the case.

"We felt positive after the meeting and we remain determined that the fight is not over."

L&Q has said it is keen to start building the housing as quickly as possible.

Andy Rowland, the company's land and projects director, added: "We will build 294 much needed, high quality homes for people on a range of incomes...[and] will preserve the architectural heritage of this iconic and historic site for the whole community."

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1:50pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Hardly a massive turn out. Not many non-white faces and not representative of the diverse multi-cultural area that it has now become.

The population of Walthamstow has changed, the majority of locals are not interested in this type of folly, dogs chasing toy hares. They want a decent place to live.

Give up and move on please, take your children to the park, not silly protests.
Hardly a massive turn out. Not many non-white faces and not representative of the diverse multi-cultural area that it has now become. The population of Walthamstow has changed, the majority of locals are not interested in this type of folly, dogs chasing toy hares. They want a decent place to live. Give up and move on please, take your children to the park, not silly protests. Cornbeefur

1:57pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

"The Secretary of State listened and understood our situation and has asked officials to look into how the council handled the case.

"We felt positive after the meeting and we remain determined that the fight is not over."

Seems a bit bland that.
"The Secretary of State listened and understood our situation and has asked officials to look into how the council handled the case. "We felt positive after the meeting and we remain determined that the fight is not over." Seems a bit bland that. Techno3

3:16pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Techno3 wrote:
"The Secretary of State listened and understood our situation and has asked officials to look into how the council handled the case.

"We felt positive after the meeting and we remain determined that the fight is not over."

Seems a bit bland that.
No doubt he would listen or appear to, but do you honestly think you will see Dog racing return? I admire a 'go down fighting' approach but you cannot seriously believe it will happen?
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: "The Secretary of State listened and understood our situation and has asked officials to look into how the council handled the case. "We felt positive after the meeting and we remain determined that the fight is not over." Seems a bit bland that.[/p][/quote]No doubt he would listen or appear to, but do you honestly think you will see Dog racing return? I admire a 'go down fighting' approach but you cannot seriously believe it will happen? Cornbeefur

3:54pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bishbosh says...

Thick cornbeef hash....yummy!!!
Thick cornbeef hash....yummy!!! bishbosh

4:16pm Wed 14 Nov 12

mazdaman says...

i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per
haps as they were the minority?
i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per haps as they were the minority? mazdaman

4:21pm Wed 14 Nov 12

mazdaman says...

oh and how cool would it be if that cornedbeef wallys local council allowed a half way house for drug and substance abuse users to be built in his street ??? Do ya reckon his cranberry tinted specs would be raised ????
oh and how cool would it be if that cornedbeef wallys local council allowed a half way house for drug and substance abuse users to be built in his street ??? Do ya reckon his cranberry tinted specs would be raised ???? mazdaman

5:05pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

mazdaman wrote:
i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per

haps as they were the minority?
I have tried reading your comment four times and cannot get to the bottom of it except that you seem to have left a sinking ship after falling down a gaping hole and counted 30 trees once?

Also you read messages tied to lamp posts if it has not been raining?

You mention Cranberry Tinted Spectacles, I never wear them for your information.

Do you work for the Local Authority by any chance? You gave a few clues away to suggest as much.
[quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per haps as they were the minority?[/p][/quote]I have tried reading your comment four times and cannot get to the bottom of it except that you seem to have left a sinking ship after falling down a gaping hole and counted 30 trees once? Also you read messages tied to lamp posts if it has not been raining? You mention Cranberry Tinted Spectacles, I never wear them for your information. Do you work for the Local Authority by any chance? You gave a few clues away to suggest as much. Cornbeefur

6:11pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bishbosh says...

Troll
Troll bishbosh

7:28pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Walthamster says...

mazdaman wrote:
i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per

haps as they were the minority?
I can only sympathise, Mazdaman. And I've learned from living in Walthamstow that the only chance is for a large number of people to get together and protest and not give up.

It doesn't always work, despite heroic efforts by individuals and community groups. It's shocking that the council schemes against the community and gets away with it.

But local campaigns do do sometimes work. Four years after our library was closed, St James Street Library Campaign got it back into community use and it's now being run as a community centre, the Mill, by a group of volunteers. All done in spite of the council, which wanted to sell it to a developer, and all on funds raised by the volunteers.

As for Conservative councillors - I never hear a squeak from most 'opposition' councillors. It must be demoralising on a council like Waltham Forest, but that isn't really an excuse for pocketing the money and doing nothing.
[quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per haps as they were the minority?[/p][/quote]I can only sympathise, Mazdaman. And I've learned from living in Walthamstow that the only chance is for a large number of people to get together and protest and not give up. It doesn't always work, despite heroic efforts by individuals and community groups. It's shocking that the council schemes against the community and gets away with it. But local campaigns do do sometimes work. Four years after our library was closed, St James Street Library Campaign got it back into community use and it's now being run as a community centre, the Mill, by a group of volunteers. All done in spite of the council, which wanted to sell it to a developer, and all on funds raised by the volunteers. As for Conservative councillors - I never hear a squeak from most 'opposition' councillors. It must be demoralising on a council like Waltham Forest, but that isn't really an excuse for pocketing the money and doing nothing. Walthamster

7:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

As anyone who may have read the exchanges after the article ; http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/your_lo
cal_areas/10022892.N
ew_Tesco__making_ind
ependent_traders_los
e_out_/ will be aware, I have been seeking a simple response from Cornbeefur to two very straightforward questions. Why he elects to hide behind his self-confessed “user name” and what, indeed, his real name is.

Having been challenged by him on these same issues I was happy to provide an open and honest response. He has now spent the last seven days evading the questions himself, occasionally providing somewhat insulting and, indeed, frankly juvenile postings (I think we all might agree that “my dad’s bigger than your dad” hardly raises the bar on reasoned debate) that do little to enhance any reputation he might possibly seek to establish or maintain as a worthwhile contributor to grown-up and rational discussion within these pages.

So, Cornbeefur, I ask you once again: please have the good grace to return my courtesy and answer my unambiguous questions. Thank you.
As anyone who may have read the exchanges after the article ; http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/your_lo cal_areas/10022892.N ew_Tesco__making_ind ependent_traders_los e_out_/ will be aware, I have been seeking a simple response from Cornbeefur to two very straightforward questions. Why he elects to hide behind his self-confessed “user name” and what, indeed, his real name is. Having been challenged by him on these same issues I was happy to provide an open and honest response. He has now spent the last seven days evading the questions himself, occasionally providing somewhat insulting and, indeed, frankly juvenile postings (I think we all might agree that “my dad’s bigger than your dad” hardly raises the bar on reasoned debate) that do little to enhance any reputation he might possibly seek to establish or maintain as a worthwhile contributor to grown-up and rational discussion within these pages. So, Cornbeefur, I ask you once again: please have the good grace to return my courtesy and answer my unambiguous questions. Thank you. KWyatt-Lown

8:27pm Wed 14 Nov 12

E17_er says...

*grabs popcorn and waits*
*grabs popcorn and waits* E17_er

12:22am Thu 15 Nov 12

Techno3 says...

Walthamster wrote:
mazdaman wrote:
i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per


haps as they were the minority?
I can only sympathise, Mazdaman. And I've learned from living in Walthamstow that the only chance is for a large number of people to get together and protest and not give up.

It doesn't always work, despite heroic efforts by individuals and community groups. It's shocking that the council schemes against the community and gets away with it.

But local campaigns do do sometimes work. Four years after our library was closed, St James Street Library Campaign got it back into community use and it's now being run as a community centre, the Mill, by a group of volunteers. All done in spite of the council, which wanted to sell it to a developer, and all on funds raised by the volunteers.

As for Conservative councillors - I never hear a squeak from most 'opposition' councillors. It must be demoralising on a council like Waltham Forest, but that isn't really an excuse for pocketing the money and doing nothing.
Sadly, the example you give of the St James's Street library is not such a good one as I wish it were.

The local community actually campaigned to get their library back and were fobbed off with something else by the Labour Party people who hijacked the campaign.

There are some people who think it is not a bad something else (when they publish their accounts and proper management information online we can maybe all make informed decisions as to how 'not bad' it is), but the fact remains, it is not actually the library which was campaigned for or which the locals said they wanted when BAG consulted them.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per haps as they were the minority?[/p][/quote]I can only sympathise, Mazdaman. And I've learned from living in Walthamstow that the only chance is for a large number of people to get together and protest and not give up. It doesn't always work, despite heroic efforts by individuals and community groups. It's shocking that the council schemes against the community and gets away with it. But local campaigns do do sometimes work. Four years after our library was closed, St James Street Library Campaign got it back into community use and it's now being run as a community centre, the Mill, by a group of volunteers. All done in spite of the council, which wanted to sell it to a developer, and all on funds raised by the volunteers. As for Conservative councillors - I never hear a squeak from most 'opposition' councillors. It must be demoralising on a council like Waltham Forest, but that isn't really an excuse for pocketing the money and doing nothing.[/p][/quote]Sadly, the example you give of the St James's Street library is not such a good one as I wish it were. The local community actually campaigned to get their library back and were fobbed off with something else by the Labour Party people who hijacked the campaign. There are some people who think it is not a bad something else (when they publish their accounts and proper management information online we can maybe all make informed decisions as to how 'not bad' it is), but the fact remains, it is not actually the library which was campaigned for or which the locals said they wanted when BAG consulted them. Techno3

12:50am Thu 15 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Walthamster wrote:
mazdaman wrote:
i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per


haps as they were the minority?
I can only sympathise, Mazdaman. And I've learned from living in Walthamstow that the only chance is for a large number of people to get together and protest and not give up.

It doesn't always work, despite heroic efforts by individuals and community groups. It's shocking that the council schemes against the community and gets away with it.

But local campaigns do do sometimes work. Four years after our library was closed, St James Street Library Campaign got it back into community use and it's now being run as a community centre, the Mill, by a group of volunteers. All done in spite of the council, which wanted to sell it to a developer, and all on funds raised by the volunteers.

As for Conservative councillors - I never hear a squeak from most 'opposition' councillors. It must be demoralising on a council like Waltham Forest, but that isn't really an excuse for pocketing the money and doing nothing.
Can you please organise aprotest against the constant closure of the Police Stations in the Borough and never give up? Please leave no stone unturned until The Commissioner
Bernard Matthews-Hoganhows relents and focuses on the Borough of Waltham Forest where there are currently numerous unsolve horrendous crimes including , Murders, Rapes, Serious Assaults and violent Robberies.

he is due to receive a Knighthood imminently.

Another reinforcement for failure as this is how our Society has become.
[quote][p][bold]Walthamster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: i have been watching this story with interest for over 4 years. Everybody should be concerned about how councils are acting around the country. The overwhelming feeling i get here is that the councillors involved here have made certain guarentees to L and Q and are doing everything possible to honour them. Why ?, that is anybodys guess, perhaps monetary for themselves ? where i camr from the council allowed the local quarry to actually close a road to neighbouring villages to allow them to dig the surrounding fields.The odd small notice on a lampost was all that was needed for them to say they had advertised meetings against the deal. Of course with a little rain, the notices were unreadable and objections were conveinently missing.I am not sure what promises were made by the quarry, but 20 years later my home village has a massive gaping hole on the outskirts, one detour road to get to local areas and about 30 trees !!! At the time the local press said it safe guarded jobs.....of which only 3 people from the village worked there. I admire the stand local people here are taking as all too often, apathy allows large enterprises to walk all over communities with only meeding the help of a few well placed people. How strange the conservative councillors were not approached.......per haps as they were the minority?[/p][/quote]I can only sympathise, Mazdaman. And I've learned from living in Walthamstow that the only chance is for a large number of people to get together and protest and not give up. It doesn't always work, despite heroic efforts by individuals and community groups. It's shocking that the council schemes against the community and gets away with it. But local campaigns do do sometimes work. Four years after our library was closed, St James Street Library Campaign got it back into community use and it's now being run as a community centre, the Mill, by a group of volunteers. All done in spite of the council, which wanted to sell it to a developer, and all on funds raised by the volunteers. As for Conservative councillors - I never hear a squeak from most 'opposition' councillors. It must be demoralising on a council like Waltham Forest, but that isn't really an excuse for pocketing the money and doing nothing.[/p][/quote]Can you please organise aprotest against the constant closure of the Police Stations in the Borough and never give up? Please leave no stone unturned until The Commissioner Bernard Matthews-Hoganhows relents and focuses on the Borough of Waltham Forest where there are currently numerous unsolve horrendous crimes including , Murders, Rapes, Serious Assaults and violent Robberies. he is due to receive a Knighthood imminently. Another reinforcement for failure as this is how our Society has become. Cornbeefur

9:30am Thu 15 Nov 12

mazdaman says...

Sorry if my comments caused confusion, i was simply giving an example of my experience in that a few well placed councillors serving their own desires at the expense of the majority can cause unrepaiarable damage to their neigbourhood. Seems quite apt in this situation. I am sure 294 new families in this over crowded area with so little facilities will help bring down crime figures to this area.......
Sorry if my comments caused confusion, i was simply giving an example of my experience in that a few well placed councillors serving their own desires at the expense of the majority can cause unrepaiarable damage to their neigbourhood. Seems quite apt in this situation. I am sure 294 new families in this over crowded area with so little facilities will help bring down crime figures to this area....... mazdaman

11:32am Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

mazdaman wrote:
Sorry if my comments caused confusion, i was simply giving an example of my experience in that a few well placed councillors serving their own desires at the expense of the majority can cause unrepaiarable damage to their neigbourhood. Seems quite apt in this situation. I am sure 294 new families in this over crowded area with so little facilities will help bring down crime figures to this area.......
The only person confused by your comments is our resident troll who gets confused by a revolving door.
[quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: Sorry if my comments caused confusion, i was simply giving an example of my experience in that a few well placed councillors serving their own desires at the expense of the majority can cause unrepaiarable damage to their neigbourhood. Seems quite apt in this situation. I am sure 294 new families in this over crowded area with so little facilities will help bring down crime figures to this area.......[/p][/quote]The only person confused by your comments is our resident troll who gets confused by a revolving door. E17_er

7:33pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

mazdaman, you didn't confuse any of the normal posters!.
We tend to get so involved in our own concerns, we forget other boroughs have similar issues, so it inspires us to keep fighting and demanding to be heard.
It is unfortunate that boroughs don't get together and have a nationwide protest against the few who are controlling the masses! Now there's a thought........
mazdaman, you didn't confuse any of the normal posters!. We tend to get so involved in our own concerns, we forget other boroughs have similar issues, so it inspires us to keep fighting and demanding to be heard. It is unfortunate that boroughs don't get together and have a nationwide protest against the few who are controlling the masses! Now there's a thought........ Isaythat

8:29pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Eddd17 says...

amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate! Eddd17

8:58pm Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
Two stories, two comments with nothing but abuse. Charming. Formulaic.
[quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]Two stories, two comments with nothing but abuse. Charming. Formulaic. E17_er

9:53pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
Above other concerns such as crime and homelessness. Bit part actress who has never been seen since Ello ello ello and a long Past it Spurs player who dated a Beauty Queen who did more rounds than John H Stacey.
[quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]Above other concerns such as crime and homelessness. Bit part actress who has never been seen since Ello ello ello and a long Past it Spurs player who dated a Beauty Queen who did more rounds than John H Stacey. Cornbeefur

9:57pm Thu 15 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
Above other concerns such as crime and homelessness. Bit part actress who has never been seen since Ello ello ello and a long Past it Spurs player who dated a Beauty Queen who did more rounds than John H Stacey.
I know you can only sustain one train of thought at a time. Don't assume others are the same troll boy
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]Above other concerns such as crime and homelessness. Bit part actress who has never been seen since Ello ello ello and a long Past it Spurs player who dated a Beauty Queen who did more rounds than John H Stacey.[/p][/quote]I know you can only sustain one train of thought at a time. Don't assume others are the same troll boy E17_er

8:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
If you had read the comment properly, you would see it was not referring to dog racing, but to any and every issue all boroughs feel aggrieved by. Too difficult for you to understand in your rush to insult no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]If you had read the comment properly, you would see it was not referring to dog racing, but to any and every issue all boroughs feel aggrieved by. Too difficult for you to understand in your rush to insult no doubt. Isaythat

8:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
If you had read the comment properly, you would see it was not referring to dog racing, but to any and every issue all boroughs feel aggrieved by. Too difficult for you to understand in your rush to insult no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]If you had read the comment properly, you would see it was not referring to dog racing, but to any and every issue all boroughs feel aggrieved by. Too difficult for you to understand in your rush to insult no doubt. Isaythat

8:22am Fri 16 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

ps. I personally felt flattered by your description of me :-)...........thank you :-)
ps. I personally felt flattered by your description of me :-)...........thank you :-) Isaythat

9:35am Fri 16 Nov 12

mazdaman says...

Dog abusers ?

The pictures i have seen in all SOS demonstrations have shown retired greyhounds still in peak condition, wearing nice thick coats to beat the cold and probably fed better than one or two who comment on here !!!

Bet some contributors on here are jealous these dogs are loved more than they are !!!
Dog abusers ? The pictures i have seen in all SOS demonstrations have shown retired greyhounds still in peak condition, wearing nice thick coats to beat the cold and probably fed better than one or two who comment on here !!! Bet some contributors on here are jealous these dogs are loved more than they are !!! mazdaman

9:52am Fri 16 Nov 12

mazdaman says...

long past it Spurs player ?.....and England dont forget.

Bit part actress who never been seen since allo allo .......except the hundreds of theatre appearances......

as opposed to you corneddog who is famous for ..............??????
?
long past it Spurs player ?.....and England dont forget. Bit part actress who never been seen since allo allo .......except the hundreds of theatre appearances...... as opposed to you corneddog who is famous for ..............?????? ? mazdaman

10:16am Fri 16 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

mazdaman wrote:
long past it Spurs player ?.....and England dont forget.

Bit part actress who never been seen since allo allo .......except the hundreds of theatre appearances......

as opposed to you corneddog who is famous for ..............??????

?
Dined out on Allo allo allo for long enough. Some readers were not born when the last series was made and havnt a clue who she is.

As for Greyhounds in peak condition, what about the thousands of unadopted ones put down every year, often via the back door? Very cruel trade. I used to be a fan but no longer.
[quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: long past it Spurs player ?.....and England dont forget. Bit part actress who never been seen since allo allo .......except the hundreds of theatre appearances...... as opposed to you corneddog who is famous for ..............?????? ?[/p][/quote]Dined out on Allo allo allo for long enough. Some readers were not born when the last series was made and havnt a clue who she is. As for Greyhounds in peak condition, what about the thousands of unadopted ones put down every year, often via the back door? Very cruel trade. I used to be a fan but no longer. Cornbeefur

12:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mazdaman says...

Awwww corneddog.......You are sounding like a person who used to follow greyhound racing but perhaps bet on too many losers?
I hope the GA sessions are working?

You have your opinions which you are fully entitled to, but i can only speak on my experiences.
I have owned 4 greyhounds and had such great excitement and pleasure with those guys, all made it to over 13 years old and every person i have known has treated their dogs with great pride and respect, well into old age.

Of course there are the minority that mistreat their dogs who abandon when no longer needed for racing, but we cant always focus on the few bad apples.

Society is riddled with wrong doers in all aspects of life but we must try and educate or indeed prosecute those found doing evil to humans and animals.

As i have said, i can only speak as i find, and i must say this....when Walthamstow closed i appled to rehome an ex racer that was not going to be moved to race at a new stadium. I was told that as i lived in Suffolk i was too far away for their rehoming staff to do follow up checks to ensure the dog was safe and in good hands.
Although dissapointed i think this shows the dedication these people have towards the safety of these wonderful creatures.

I also feel that by people like you focusing on the negative, you completely diminish the caring and loving many thousands of people have towards these hounds.
Awwww corneddog.......You are sounding like a person who used to follow greyhound racing but perhaps bet on too many losers? I hope the GA sessions are working? You have your opinions which you are fully entitled to, but i can only speak on my experiences. I have owned 4 greyhounds and had such great excitement and pleasure with those guys, all made it to over 13 years old and every person i have known has treated their dogs with great pride and respect, well into old age. Of course there are the minority that mistreat their dogs who abandon when no longer needed for racing, but we cant always focus on the few bad apples. Society is riddled with wrong doers in all aspects of life but we must try and educate or indeed prosecute those found doing evil to humans and animals. As i have said, i can only speak as i find, and i must say this....when Walthamstow closed i appled to rehome an ex racer that was not going to be moved to race at a new stadium. I was told that as i lived in Suffolk i was too far away for their rehoming staff to do follow up checks to ensure the dog was safe and in good hands. Although dissapointed i think this shows the dedication these people have towards the safety of these wonderful creatures. I also feel that by people like you focusing on the negative, you completely diminish the caring and loving many thousands of people have towards these hounds. mazdaman

2:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Cornbeefur says...

mazdaman wrote:
Awwww corneddog.......You are sounding like a person who used to follow greyhound racing but perhaps bet on too many losers?
I hope the GA sessions are working?

You have your opinions which you are fully entitled to, but i can only speak on my experiences.
I have owned 4 greyhounds and had such great excitement and pleasure with those guys, all made it to over 13 years old and every person i have known has treated their dogs with great pride and respect, well into old age.

Of course there are the minority that mistreat their dogs who abandon when no longer needed for racing, but we cant always focus on the few bad apples.

Society is riddled with wrong doers in all aspects of life but we must try and educate or indeed prosecute those found doing evil to humans and animals.

As i have said, i can only speak as i find, and i must say this....when Walthamstow closed i appled to rehome an ex racer that was not going to be moved to race at a new stadium. I was told that as i lived in Suffolk i was too far away for their rehoming staff to do follow up checks to ensure the dog was safe and in good hands.
Although dissapointed i think this shows the dedication these people have towards the safety of these wonderful creatures.

I also feel that by people like you focusing on the negative, you completely diminish the caring and loving many thousands of people have towards these hounds.
I went off dog racing after I adopted a Greyhound after the Stow closed.

I was shocked about the callous nature of some owners in the game and reported them to the authorities.

One particular person was a really evil bloke who treated his dogs so badly that he has been banned from the 'Sport'
[quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: Awwww corneddog.......You are sounding like a person who used to follow greyhound racing but perhaps bet on too many losers? I hope the GA sessions are working? You have your opinions which you are fully entitled to, but i can only speak on my experiences. I have owned 4 greyhounds and had such great excitement and pleasure with those guys, all made it to over 13 years old and every person i have known has treated their dogs with great pride and respect, well into old age. Of course there are the minority that mistreat their dogs who abandon when no longer needed for racing, but we cant always focus on the few bad apples. Society is riddled with wrong doers in all aspects of life but we must try and educate or indeed prosecute those found doing evil to humans and animals. As i have said, i can only speak as i find, and i must say this....when Walthamstow closed i appled to rehome an ex racer that was not going to be moved to race at a new stadium. I was told that as i lived in Suffolk i was too far away for their rehoming staff to do follow up checks to ensure the dog was safe and in good hands. Although dissapointed i think this shows the dedication these people have towards the safety of these wonderful creatures. I also feel that by people like you focusing on the negative, you completely diminish the caring and loving many thousands of people have towards these hounds.[/p][/quote]I went off dog racing after I adopted a Greyhound after the Stow closed. I was shocked about the callous nature of some owners in the game and reported them to the authorities. One particular person was a really evil bloke who treated his dogs so badly that he has been banned from the 'Sport' Cornbeefur

2:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
mazdaman wrote:
Awwww corneddog.......You are sounding like a person who used to follow greyhound racing but perhaps bet on too many losers?
I hope the GA sessions are working?

You have your opinions which you are fully entitled to, but i can only speak on my experiences.
I have owned 4 greyhounds and had such great excitement and pleasure with those guys, all made it to over 13 years old and every person i have known has treated their dogs with great pride and respect, well into old age.

Of course there are the minority that mistreat their dogs who abandon when no longer needed for racing, but we cant always focus on the few bad apples.

Society is riddled with wrong doers in all aspects of life but we must try and educate or indeed prosecute those found doing evil to humans and animals.

As i have said, i can only speak as i find, and i must say this....when Walthamstow closed i appled to rehome an ex racer that was not going to be moved to race at a new stadium. I was told that as i lived in Suffolk i was too far away for their rehoming staff to do follow up checks to ensure the dog was safe and in good hands.
Although dissapointed i think this shows the dedication these people have towards the safety of these wonderful creatures.

I also feel that by people like you focusing on the negative, you completely diminish the caring and loving many thousands of people have towards these hounds.
I went off dog racing after I adopted a Greyhound after the Stow closed.

I was shocked about the callous nature of some owners in the game and reported them to the authorities.

One particular person was a really evil bloke who treated his dogs so badly that he has been banned from the 'Sport'
You kept a greyhond in a Pied-A-Terre in Marylebone? Now that is truly cruel.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mazdaman[/bold] wrote: Awwww corneddog.......You are sounding like a person who used to follow greyhound racing but perhaps bet on too many losers? I hope the GA sessions are working? You have your opinions which you are fully entitled to, but i can only speak on my experiences. I have owned 4 greyhounds and had such great excitement and pleasure with those guys, all made it to over 13 years old and every person i have known has treated their dogs with great pride and respect, well into old age. Of course there are the minority that mistreat their dogs who abandon when no longer needed for racing, but we cant always focus on the few bad apples. Society is riddled with wrong doers in all aspects of life but we must try and educate or indeed prosecute those found doing evil to humans and animals. As i have said, i can only speak as i find, and i must say this....when Walthamstow closed i appled to rehome an ex racer that was not going to be moved to race at a new stadium. I was told that as i lived in Suffolk i was too far away for their rehoming staff to do follow up checks to ensure the dog was safe and in good hands. Although dissapointed i think this shows the dedication these people have towards the safety of these wonderful creatures. I also feel that by people like you focusing on the negative, you completely diminish the caring and loving many thousands of people have towards these hounds.[/p][/quote]I went off dog racing after I adopted a Greyhound after the Stow closed. I was shocked about the callous nature of some owners in the game and reported them to the authorities. One particular person was a really evil bloke who treated his dogs so badly that he has been banned from the 'Sport'[/p][/quote]You kept a greyhond in a Pied-A-Terre in Marylebone? Now that is truly cruel. E17_er

6:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

red37red says...

Cornbeefur must be a stay at home wife with the amount of comments she makes!

hope they build a ghetto outside your little rock
Cornbeefur must be a stay at home wife with the amount of comments she makes! hope they build a ghetto outside your little rock red37red

7:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Eddd17 says...

E17_er wrote:
Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
Two stories, two comments with nothing but abuse. Charming. Formulaic.
hardly abuse - come back when your skin has toughened up a little.
[quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]Two stories, two comments with nothing but abuse. Charming. Formulaic.[/p][/quote]hardly abuse - come back when your skin has toughened up a little. Eddd17

7:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Eddd17 says...

Isaythat wrote:
Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
If you had read the comment properly, you would see it was not referring to dog racing, but to any and every issue all boroughs feel aggrieved by. Too difficult for you to understand in your rush to insult no doubt.
i was commenting on the news story, not whatever it was you were wittering on about. seems like you were the one failing to understand, not me.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]If you had read the comment properly, you would see it was not referring to dog racing, but to any and every issue all boroughs feel aggrieved by. Too difficult for you to understand in your rush to insult no doubt.[/p][/quote]i was commenting on the news story, not whatever it was you were wittering on about. seems like you were the one failing to understand, not me. Eddd17

7:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

E17_er says...

Eddd17 wrote:
E17_er wrote:
Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
Two stories, two comments with nothing but abuse. Charming. Formulaic.
hardly abuse - come back when your skin has toughened up a little.
Wasn't talking about you abusing me. Seems like your understanding is a little lacking.
[quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E17_er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]Two stories, two comments with nothing but abuse. Charming. Formulaic.[/p][/quote]hardly abuse - come back when your skin has toughened up a little.[/p][/quote]Wasn't talking about you abusing me. Seems like your understanding is a little lacking. E17_er

7:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Isaythat says...

Eddd17 wrote:
amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate!
oh, forgive me for not realising that was a comment on the news story......silly me :-)
[quote][p][bold]Eddd17[/bold] wrote: amazing how many news stories some nimby residents, gambling dog abusers and an allo allo actress can generate![/p][/quote]oh, forgive me for not realising that was a comment on the news story......silly me :-) Isaythat

10:23pm Tue 20 Nov 12

richard codd says...

just to let you know i am still awaiting a reply fromm the right hon eric pickles they did tell me it will take 15 days
just to let you know i am still awaiting a reply fromm the right hon eric pickles they did tell me it will take 15 days richard codd

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