Iain Duncan Smith 'urged to relax jobseeker punishments'

IAIN Duncan Smith’s own advisers have warned him to soften his stance on cracking down on benefits after evidence indicated that it could push people into crime or prostitution, it has been reported.

Advisers have warned the work and pensions secretary to curb punishments on people deemed to be unwilling to work, according to national media reports.

It is claimed that the Social Security Advisory Committee, the Whitehall body responsible for monitoring the welfare reforms, heard evidence that vulnerable people could be driven out of mainstream society by the strict sanctions.

Under the new Universal Credit scheme which replaces the various different benefits currently offered, the unemployed will lose their jobseeker’s allowance for up to three years if they are believed to have failed to attend job interviews, accept job offers or carry out unpaid work experience.

The committee suggested that the government should return benefits to those who, after receiving the sanction, then demonstrate they want to return to work.

The committee told Duncan Smith it had heard evidence people fear turning to crime and prostitution to support themselves if the punishment remains unchanged.

A Department for Work and Pensions spokesman quoted in online reports rejected the claim and said only those who do not abide by the rules will be sanctioned.

He reiterated that all jobseekers would be given individual help and support to find work.

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10:21pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Cornbeefur says...

The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them.

Worse than this is the failure of successive Goverments of all parties failure to tackle the problem.

It is wrong for a child to be brought up in a non-working family unit. Such an example leads to more failure, the cycle must stop.

At least IDS has grasped the bull by the horns.

When Frank Field (the best Labour Prime Minister who never was) tried, he was shot down in flames by his Champagne Socialist Colleagues whose aim was to maintain the dependent potential Labour voters.

Labour wanted everyone to go to University when most of the candidates were unsuitable.

This is why peoples expectations are too high in many cases and why most coffee shops, Parking Control Companies and cleaning firms are reliant on overseas workers.
The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them. Worse than this is the failure of successive Goverments of all parties failure to tackle the problem. It is wrong for a child to be brought up in a non-working family unit. Such an example leads to more failure, the cycle must stop. At least IDS has grasped the bull by the horns. When Frank Field (the best Labour Prime Minister who never was) tried, he was shot down in flames by his Champagne Socialist Colleagues whose aim was to maintain the dependent potential Labour voters. Labour wanted everyone to go to University when most of the candidates were unsuitable. This is why peoples expectations are too high in many cases and why most coffee shops, Parking Control Companies and cleaning firms are reliant on overseas workers. Cornbeefur
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8:40pm Tue 25 Dec 12

merlin70 says...

As the MP's get more in perks and unearned expenses than benefit claimants I do feel it is a bit rich, no pun intended, to bank on about shirkers, many claimants miss out on their correct entitlement and facts are most housing benefit claimants are working, greedy landlords and a high property market are more of a danger to society. Daily Mail really should get out more...
As the MP's get more in perks and unearned expenses than benefit claimants I do feel it is a bit rich, no pun intended, to bank on about shirkers, many claimants miss out on their correct entitlement and facts are most housing benefit claimants are working, greedy landlords and a high property market are more of a danger to society. Daily Mail really should get out more... merlin70
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1:01am Wed 26 Dec 12

Thunderbird4 says...

In June, 2009, IDS took from my hand, a letter, which pointed out these facts. Why has it taken a government Think Tank, the Social Security Advisory Committee, 2+ years to reach the same conclusion?
IDS made no comments to the probabilities I had highlighted - and at little cost, I should think, compared to the salaries of the Advisory Committee. (And didn't they advise his before he implemented the plans? Of course not, they run the shop, IDS is Front of House.)
In June, 2009, IDS took from my hand, a letter, which pointed out these facts. Why has it taken a government Think Tank, the Social Security Advisory Committee, 2+ years to reach the same conclusion? IDS made no comments to the probabilities I had highlighted - and at little cost, I should think, compared to the salaries of the Advisory Committee. (And didn't they advise his before he implemented the plans? Of course not, they run the shop, IDS is Front of House.) Thunderbird4
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10:08am Wed 26 Dec 12

jmoore26 says...

"The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them."

The really sad fact is that persons such you actually want us to believe that £69 a week is a sum of money people can live it up or that in reality they are hungry and unable to do so. While people go on harping this many hard working people who have done the right things by working and paying their NATIONAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS for their security is manipulated by vested interested and the biggest ELEPHANT in the room is that over the contributions and high taxes people pay in this country for that security. Another common right wing attitude is somehow for the past 65 years nobody paid into this like it was a premium. The lie here is the spin people like you and IDS have created in order to cheat people out the security they have paid for that has been run by successive governments and has been taking money from most of us. If you wish to stop this then consider paying everyone their contributions back with compounded interest otherwise stop peddling your lies. This is not America we have been paying into a common national pool for insurance and it is persons like you who are doing the lying and the misleading yet again and again
"The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them." The really sad fact is that persons such you actually want us to believe that £69 a week is a sum of money people can live it up or that in reality they are hungry and unable to do so. While people go on harping this many hard working people who have done the right things by working and paying their NATIONAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS for their security is manipulated by vested interested and the biggest ELEPHANT in the room is that over the contributions and high taxes people pay in this country for that security. Another common right wing attitude is somehow for the past 65 years nobody paid into this like it was a premium. The lie here is the spin people like you and IDS have created in order to cheat people out the security they have paid for that has been run by successive governments and has been taking money from most of us. If you wish to stop this then consider paying everyone their contributions back with compounded interest otherwise stop peddling your lies. This is not America we have been paying into a common national pool for insurance and it is persons like you who are doing the lying and the misleading yet again and again jmoore26
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10:53am Wed 26 Dec 12

UKIP-local says...

Any policy of the sort IDS intends would only work if accompanied by a reduction in regulations on employment and business (we are getting more) and greater encouragement to business risk takers to set up or expand their firms (we have less encouragement).

What are called "supply side" reforms are needed - would we really be so badly off if regulations were rolled back to (say) the state they were in at the end of the last century?

Come to think of it, why not reduce taxes to the level they were then, and all sorts of spending programmes too.
Any policy of the sort IDS intends would only work if accompanied by a reduction in regulations on employment and business (we are getting more) and greater encouragement to business risk takers to set up or expand their firms (we have less encouragement). What are called "supply side" reforms are needed - would we really be so badly off if regulations were rolled back to (say) the state they were in at the end of the last century? Come to think of it, why not reduce taxes to the level they were then, and all sorts of spending programmes too. UKIP-local
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11:25am Wed 26 Dec 12

mickbear88 says...

When criminals go to court one of the most popular mitigations is,"I was bored" or
'I was drunk/stoned".
As most of these offenders are welfare recipients maybe some way could be devised to prevent the spending of dole money on booze and dope. The boredom problem could be helped by doing some community work-picking up rubbish in parks where they dump their cans,bottles and syringes would be a good start.
When criminals go to court one of the most popular mitigations is,"I was bored" or 'I was drunk/stoned". As most of these offenders are welfare recipients maybe some way could be devised to prevent the spending of dole money on booze and dope. The boredom problem could be helped by doing some community work-picking up rubbish in parks where they dump their cans,bottles and syringes would be a good start. mickbear88
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11:48am Wed 26 Dec 12

Cornbeefur says...

jmoore26 wrote:
"The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them."

The really sad fact is that persons such you actually want us to believe that £69 a week is a sum of money people can live it up or that in reality they are hungry and unable to do so. While people go on harping this many hard working people who have done the right things by working and paying their NATIONAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS for their security is manipulated by vested interested and the biggest ELEPHANT in the room is that over the contributions and high taxes people pay in this country for that security. Another common right wing attitude is somehow for the past 65 years nobody paid into this like it was a premium. The lie here is the spin people like you and IDS have created in order to cheat people out the security they have paid for that has been run by successive governments and has been taking money from most of us. If you wish to stop this then consider paying everyone their contributions back with compounded interest otherwise stop peddling your lies. This is not America we have been paying into a common national pool for insurance and it is persons like you who are doing the lying and the misleading yet again and again
You may wish to see the Benefits System through Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles but is about time people like you faced facts.

Working people are fed up and sick up to their back Teeth paying for the Professional Claimants, Professional 'Single Mothers' and Druggies and Alcoholics with their hard earned cash.

How is it that Coffee shops are staffed with minimum wage earning 18 year olds who start work at 6.30am whilst many of our own 'life blood' population of under 21 year olds lay in bed until 1pm as they cannot be bothered to get out of bed?

Single Mothers who produced children through different fathers as they cannot be bothered to go to a Family Planning clinic and produce unwanted kids without fathers for the rest of 'Society' to pay for their pleasures.

I hope IDS sticks to his guns to reduce the Scrounging State once and for all and make people who can work do something at least including the disabled who seem to be able to run around at the Olympics 'Bigger stronger faster' when it actually suits them but want Blue badges to park outside the front door of Asda.
[quote][p][bold]jmoore26[/bold] wrote: "The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them." The really sad fact is that persons such you actually want us to believe that £69 a week is a sum of money people can live it up or that in reality they are hungry and unable to do so. While people go on harping this many hard working people who have done the right things by working and paying their NATIONAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS for their security is manipulated by vested interested and the biggest ELEPHANT in the room is that over the contributions and high taxes people pay in this country for that security. Another common right wing attitude is somehow for the past 65 years nobody paid into this like it was a premium. The lie here is the spin people like you and IDS have created in order to cheat people out the security they have paid for that has been run by successive governments and has been taking money from most of us. If you wish to stop this then consider paying everyone their contributions back with compounded interest otherwise stop peddling your lies. This is not America we have been paying into a common national pool for insurance and it is persons like you who are doing the lying and the misleading yet again and again[/p][/quote]You may wish to see the Benefits System through Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles but is about time people like you faced facts. Working people are fed up and sick up to their back Teeth paying for the Professional Claimants, Professional 'Single Mothers' and Druggies and Alcoholics with their hard earned cash. How is it that Coffee shops are staffed with minimum wage earning 18 year olds who start work at 6.30am whilst many of our own 'life blood' population of under 21 year olds lay in bed until 1pm as they cannot be bothered to get out of bed? Single Mothers who produced children through different fathers as they cannot be bothered to go to a Family Planning clinic and produce unwanted kids without fathers for the rest of 'Society' to pay for their pleasures. I hope IDS sticks to his guns to reduce the Scrounging State once and for all and make people who can work do something at least including the disabled who seem to be able to run around at the Olympics 'Bigger stronger faster' when it actually suits them but want Blue badges to park outside the front door of Asda. Cornbeefur
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11:02am Thu 27 Dec 12

SSmith3 says...

Most of the people on Jeremy Kyle aren't even real, as actors. Sad a person can be such a pathetic idiot that they believe anything they see. I bet the same idiot who said that thinks the orange chavy wags on the Daily Mail sidebar are as great and sophisticated.
Most of the people on Jeremy Kyle aren't even real, as actors. Sad a person can be such a pathetic idiot that they believe anything they see. I bet the same idiot who said that thinks the orange chavy wags on the Daily Mail sidebar are as great and sophisticated. SSmith3
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1:48pm Thu 27 Dec 12

stickmanny says...

UKIP-local wrote:
Any policy of the sort IDS intends would only work if accompanied by a reduction in regulations on employment and business (we are getting more) and greater encouragement to business risk takers to set up or expand their firms (we have less encouragement).

What are called "supply side" reforms are needed - would we really be so badly off if regulations were rolled back to (say) the state they were in at the end of the last century?

Come to think of it, why not reduce taxes to the level they were then, and all sorts of spending programmes too.
Incorrect: here is a lack of demand, which has inevitably dropped away with the withdrawal of easy credit.

I think you know this but your politics prevent you from entertaining 'demand side' strategies. You'd rather push the masses into squalor? who could afford your products then?

We gave £345bn to the banks via QE and we are still in recession.

Its time for the payback: we should give £5000 to every adult (and sums to every business) on condition that they use it to pay back debt (loans, mortgages etc). Anyone without debt MUST spend it.

Within a year several financial institutions will have gone to the wall, there will be some inflation but the recession will be over.

We either try demand led policy or the next ten years will be just like the last four.
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-local[/bold] wrote: Any policy of the sort IDS intends would only work if accompanied by a reduction in regulations on employment and business (we are getting more) and greater encouragement to business risk takers to set up or expand their firms (we have less encouragement). What are called "supply side" reforms are needed - would we really be so badly off if regulations were rolled back to (say) the state they were in at the end of the last century? Come to think of it, why not reduce taxes to the level they were then, and all sorts of spending programmes too.[/p][/quote]Incorrect: here is a lack of demand, which has inevitably dropped away with the withdrawal of easy credit. I think you know this but your politics prevent you from entertaining 'demand side' strategies. You'd rather push the masses into squalor? who could afford your products then? We gave £345bn to the banks via QE and we are still in recession. Its time for the payback: we should give £5000 to every adult (and sums to every business) on condition that they use it to pay back debt (loans, mortgages etc). Anyone without debt MUST spend it. Within a year several financial institutions will have gone to the wall, there will be some inflation but the recession will be over. We either try demand led policy or the next ten years will be just like the last four. stickmanny
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9:18pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
UKIP-local wrote:
Any policy of the sort IDS intends would only work if accompanied by a reduction in regulations on employment and business (we are getting more) and greater encouragement to business risk takers to set up or expand their firms (we have less encouragement).

What are called "supply side" reforms are needed - would we really be so badly off if regulations were rolled back to (say) the state they were in at the end of the last century?

Come to think of it, why not reduce taxes to the level they were then, and all sorts of spending programmes too.
Incorrect: here is a lack of demand, which has inevitably dropped away with the withdrawal of easy credit.

I think you know this but your politics prevent you from entertaining 'demand side' strategies. You'd rather push the masses into squalor? who could afford your products then?

We gave £345bn to the banks via QE and we are still in recession.

Its time for the payback: we should give £5000 to every adult (and sums to every business) on condition that they use it to pay back debt (loans, mortgages etc). Anyone without debt MUST spend it.

Within a year several financial institutions will have gone to the wall, there will be some inflation but the recession will be over.

We either try demand led policy or the next ten years will be just like the last four.
Yes give everyone £5000 so they can live it up on booze and other substances?
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-local[/bold] wrote: Any policy of the sort IDS intends would only work if accompanied by a reduction in regulations on employment and business (we are getting more) and greater encouragement to business risk takers to set up or expand their firms (we have less encouragement). What are called "supply side" reforms are needed - would we really be so badly off if regulations were rolled back to (say) the state they were in at the end of the last century? Come to think of it, why not reduce taxes to the level they were then, and all sorts of spending programmes too.[/p][/quote]Incorrect: here is a lack of demand, which has inevitably dropped away with the withdrawal of easy credit. I think you know this but your politics prevent you from entertaining 'demand side' strategies. You'd rather push the masses into squalor? who could afford your products then? We gave £345bn to the banks via QE and we are still in recession. Its time for the payback: we should give £5000 to every adult (and sums to every business) on condition that they use it to pay back debt (loans, mortgages etc). Anyone without debt MUST spend it. Within a year several financial institutions will have gone to the wall, there will be some inflation but the recession will be over. We either try demand led policy or the next ten years will be just like the last four.[/p][/quote]Yes give everyone £5000 so they can live it up on booze and other substances? Cornbeefur
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7:37pm Fri 28 Dec 12

E17_er says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
jmoore26 wrote:
"The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them."

The really sad fact is that persons such you actually want us to believe that £69 a week is a sum of money people can live it up or that in reality they are hungry and unable to do so. While people go on harping this many hard working people who have done the right things by working and paying their NATIONAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS for their security is manipulated by vested interested and the biggest ELEPHANT in the room is that over the contributions and high taxes people pay in this country for that security. Another common right wing attitude is somehow for the past 65 years nobody paid into this like it was a premium. The lie here is the spin people like you and IDS have created in order to cheat people out the security they have paid for that has been run by successive governments and has been taking money from most of us. If you wish to stop this then consider paying everyone their contributions back with compounded interest otherwise stop peddling your lies. This is not America we have been paying into a common national pool for insurance and it is persons like you who are doing the lying and the misleading yet again and again
You may wish to see the Benefits System through Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles but is about time people like you faced facts.

Working people are fed up and sick up to their back Teeth paying for the Professional Claimants, Professional 'Single Mothers' and Druggies and Alcoholics with their hard earned cash.

How is it that Coffee shops are staffed with minimum wage earning 18 year olds who start work at 6.30am whilst many of our own 'life blood' population of under 21 year olds lay in bed until 1pm as they cannot be bothered to get out of bed?

Single Mothers who produced children through different fathers as they cannot be bothered to go to a Family Planning clinic and produce unwanted kids without fathers for the rest of 'Society' to pay for their pleasures.

I hope IDS sticks to his guns to reduce the Scrounging State once and for all and make people who can work do something at least including the disabled who seem to be able to run around at the Olympics 'Bigger stronger faster' when it actually suits them but want Blue badges to park outside the front door of Asda.
Troll
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jmoore26[/bold] wrote: "The sad fact is that over generous benefits in the UK for the last 65 or so years have created a generation of lazy, unmotivated Jeremy Kyle Show participants who have embroiled the genuine Claimants amongst them." The really sad fact is that persons such you actually want us to believe that £69 a week is a sum of money people can live it up or that in reality they are hungry and unable to do so. While people go on harping this many hard working people who have done the right things by working and paying their NATIONAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS for their security is manipulated by vested interested and the biggest ELEPHANT in the room is that over the contributions and high taxes people pay in this country for that security. Another common right wing attitude is somehow for the past 65 years nobody paid into this like it was a premium. The lie here is the spin people like you and IDS have created in order to cheat people out the security they have paid for that has been run by successive governments and has been taking money from most of us. If you wish to stop this then consider paying everyone their contributions back with compounded interest otherwise stop peddling your lies. This is not America we have been paying into a common national pool for insurance and it is persons like you who are doing the lying and the misleading yet again and again[/p][/quote]You may wish to see the Benefits System through Cranberry Sauce Tinted Spectacles but is about time people like you faced facts. Working people are fed up and sick up to their back Teeth paying for the Professional Claimants, Professional 'Single Mothers' and Druggies and Alcoholics with their hard earned cash. How is it that Coffee shops are staffed with minimum wage earning 18 year olds who start work at 6.30am whilst many of our own 'life blood' population of under 21 year olds lay in bed until 1pm as they cannot be bothered to get out of bed? Single Mothers who produced children through different fathers as they cannot be bothered to go to a Family Planning clinic and produce unwanted kids without fathers for the rest of 'Society' to pay for their pleasures. I hope IDS sticks to his guns to reduce the Scrounging State once and for all and make people who can work do something at least including the disabled who seem to be able to run around at the Olympics 'Bigger stronger faster' when it actually suits them but want Blue badges to park outside the front door of Asda.[/p][/quote]Troll E17_er
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12:22pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Thunderbird4 says...

Unemployment has always been part of the Capitalist Christian Democratic Monarchical Governmental policy. The unemployed are equivalent to cattle/capital. IDS, his massive DWP, including all the jobcentre staff, actually need a large number of unemployed people to justify their jobs. Without the unemployed, the DWP themselves, would be unemployed.
Unemployment has always been part of the Capitalist Christian Democratic Monarchical Governmental policy. The unemployed are equivalent to cattle/capital. IDS, his massive DWP, including all the jobcentre staff, actually need a large number of unemployed people to justify their jobs. Without the unemployed, the DWP themselves, would be unemployed. Thunderbird4
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