Eight break-ins and four attempted burglaries at properties in Chingford, Leyton and Walthamstow on one day

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Brindwood Road Brindwood Road

POLICE have warned people to be vigilant after homes across Waltham Forest were targeted in  a spate of burglaries on Thursday (January 10).

Thousands of pounds worth of valuables were stolen and a total of eight break-ins and four attempted break-ins were reported across the borough in the space of just 24 hours.

Six of the incidents occurred in Chingford with properties in Brindwood Road, Frankland Road, Grove Road, Sunset Avenue, Valleyside and Warwick Road targeted.

In Grove Road a woman returned home at around 6.40pm to find a man in her bedroom rifling through her possessions.

He escaped with a mobile phone, jewellery and cash, jumping over a neighbour’s fence and running off in the direction of Harold Road.

Around four hours later, residents in Frankland Road and Warwick Road both called police to report break-ins in which £19,000 of jewellery and a quantity of cash was stolen.

Earlier in the day a terrified woman in Valleyside phoned police after a man opened her door and walked into her house.

When she confronted him he apologised and left. She had earlier observed three men rattling her door handle.

Another family in Brindwood Road reported their patio doors had been smashed in an unsuccessful attempt to break into their house.

And in Sunset Avenue two men fled in a black Corsa at around 6.30am after the owner of the property caught them trying to gain access to his house.

There were also two reports of burglaries at a shared house in Leyton High Road, a break-in at a house in Knotts Green Road, Leyton, where a laptop and an iPhone were taken, and attempted burglaries at Evelyn Road and Neville Close in Walthamstow.

Police have not said if they believe any of the incidents are linked.

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2:12pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

This is just the start of it.

Apart from people like Helen and Nairn, who walk around with cranberry Tinted Spectacles, imagining that the have seen Police Officers patrolling regularly, most locals are aware that with the closure of most of the Boroughs Police Stations, they have been left extremely vulnerable to such Burglaries and of course potentially worse still once the Burglar is in your premises.

The winners are the Crooks who even in the vague possibility of being captured, will get off with a caution or slap on the wrist at court.

The Crooks know that the Police are based miles away and will have a head start to decamp away in time.

What will obviously happen in due course is a serious situation where someone is harmed and then the Police will come under pressure from the Liberally minded people for action. Up until now, these same people think that everything is rosy. The likes of the two people aforementioned. paint such a false picture of reality that the Police get away with their negligence and dreadful public service.

Instead of crime prevention and detection they spend their time pulling up repeatedly the likes of Stephen Lawrence's Brother 25 times to further alienate themselves from the general public or sit around in cafes all day to feed their ever expanding waistlines.
This is just the start of it. Apart from people like Helen and Nairn, who walk around with cranberry Tinted Spectacles, imagining that the have seen Police Officers patrolling regularly, most locals are aware that with the closure of most of the Boroughs Police Stations, they have been left extremely vulnerable to such Burglaries and of course potentially worse still once the Burglar is in your premises. The winners are the Crooks who even in the vague possibility of being captured, will get off with a caution or slap on the wrist at court. The Crooks know that the Police are based miles away and will have a head start to decamp away in time. What will obviously happen in due course is a serious situation where someone is harmed and then the Police will come under pressure from the Liberally minded people for action. Up until now, these same people think that everything is rosy. The likes of the two people aforementioned. paint such a false picture of reality that the Police get away with their negligence and dreadful public service. Instead of crime prevention and detection they spend their time pulling up repeatedly the likes of Stephen Lawrence's Brother 25 times to further alienate themselves from the general public or sit around in cafes all day to feed their ever expanding waistlines. Cornbeefur

8:01pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Tell you what, cornbeefur.

Let's provide the police with crystal balls so that a pair can stand outside each house just as it is about to be burgled.
Tell you what, cornbeefur. Let's provide the police with crystal balls so that a pair can stand outside each house just as it is about to be burgled. Helen, Walthamstow

9:28pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Tell you what, cornbeefur.

Let's provide the police with crystal balls so that a pair can stand outside each house just as it is about to be burgled.
No, lets have a local Police Station in Leyton, Leytonstone, Walthamstow, Chingford, fit for purpose, even purpose built like the Fire Stations they are replacing.

Focal points, open 24 hours a day, not closed when Staff are 'on holiday'.

Substantially built buildings, with Police visibly walking to and from them, so that everyone knows that they are there, reassurance for the hard working Public.

The Police Stations should have facilities to support the essentially hard working officers with the slackers who hang around being supervised more effectively and chased back out on the street.

Let them have canteens where officers can have their breaks and be supervised so that they do not have to use privately owned cafes and have arbitrary breaks from duty.

The Public need to know where their Local Police Station is and they need it to be open 24 hours a day so that those who cannot attend to make a report during office hours can attend when it is convenient to do so.

Let us pay for the same by ceasing to lease out these 'Police Shops' at high rents, shed those Officers who are past it fitness wise, cut back on the Top heavy rank system, do away with the fancy equipment and get back to basics. We need to get rid of the hopeless and powerless 'Blunkett Bobby' system, make any of them who are competent enough real Constables and recruit more with the savings.

Police need to be seen on a regular basis, not emerge reactively from an industrial unit at the Borough's outskirts.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Tell you what, cornbeefur. Let's provide the police with crystal balls so that a pair can stand outside each house just as it is about to be burgled.[/p][/quote]No, lets have a local Police Station in Leyton, Leytonstone, Walthamstow, Chingford, fit for purpose, even purpose built like the Fire Stations they are replacing. Focal points, open 24 hours a day, not closed when Staff are 'on holiday'. Substantially built buildings, with Police visibly walking to and from them, so that everyone knows that they are there, reassurance for the hard working Public. The Police Stations should have facilities to support the essentially hard working officers with the slackers who hang around being supervised more effectively and chased back out on the street. Let them have canteens where officers can have their breaks and be supervised so that they do not have to use privately owned cafes and have arbitrary breaks from duty. The Public need to know where their Local Police Station is and they need it to be open 24 hours a day so that those who cannot attend to make a report during office hours can attend when it is convenient to do so. Let us pay for the same by ceasing to lease out these 'Police Shops' at high rents, shed those Officers who are past it fitness wise, cut back on the Top heavy rank system, do away with the fancy equipment and get back to basics. We need to get rid of the hopeless and powerless 'Blunkett Bobby' system, make any of them who are competent enough real Constables and recruit more with the savings. Police need to be seen on a regular basis, not emerge reactively from an industrial unit at the Borough's outskirts. Cornbeefur

10:21pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Mohammed f Christ says...

Cornbeefur, while I understand that english is not your first language; I Do thiNk It absolutelY criminal the way yoU contiNuallY use Random Capitalisation.
Please make an effort at good grammar, thank you.

Capisce?
Cornbeefur, while I understand that english is not your first language; I Do thiNk It absolutelY criminal the way yoU contiNuallY use Random Capitalisation. Please make an effort at good grammar, thank you. Capisce? Mohammed f Christ

10:55pm Sat 12 Jan 13

SXH says...

Cornbeefur you obviously do not like the police by all the comments you make about them, they are around but they cannot be in all locations when a crime is committed, maybe with more officers we are getting will improve matters.
we are short of officers that is why the borough took a petition to City Hall 3 years ago, but you seem to ignore all those facts. ( I was one of the people who went)

I wish the police would pay you a visit and give you a fitness test.
You cannot be doing much work if you follow the police around.
Cornbeefur you obviously do not like the police by all the comments you make about them, they are around but they cannot be in all locations when a crime is committed, maybe with more officers we are getting will improve matters. we are short of officers that is why the borough took a petition to City Hall 3 years ago, but you seem to ignore all those facts. ( I was one of the people who went) I wish the police would pay you a visit and give you a fitness test. You cannot be doing much work if you follow the police around. SXH

12:08am Sun 13 Jan 13

JackDaniels says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Tell you what, cornbeefur.

Let's provide the police with crystal balls so that a pair can stand outside each house just as it is about to be burgled.
No, lets have a local Police Station in Leyton, Leytonstone, Walthamstow, Chingford, fit for purpose, even purpose built like the Fire Stations they are replacing.

Focal points, open 24 hours a day, not closed when Staff are 'on holiday'.

Substantially built buildings, with Police visibly walking to and from them, so that everyone knows that they are there, reassurance for the hard working Public.

The Police Stations should have facilities to support the essentially hard working officers with the slackers who hang around being supervised more effectively and chased back out on the street.

Let them have canteens where officers can have their breaks and be supervised so that they do not have to use privately owned cafes and have arbitrary breaks from duty.

The Public need to know where their Local Police Station is and they need it to be open 24 hours a day so that those who cannot attend to make a report during office hours can attend when it is convenient to do so.

Let us pay for the same by ceasing to lease out these 'Police Shops' at high rents, shed those Officers who are past it fitness wise, cut back on the Top heavy rank system, do away with the fancy equipment and get back to basics. We need to get rid of the hopeless and powerless 'Blunkett Bobby' system, make any of them who are competent enough real Constables and recruit more with the savings.

Police need to be seen on a regular basis, not emerge reactively from an industrial unit at the Borough's outskirts.
For once, I totally agree with you.

Let's raise everyones tax to 50% to pay for it and double, no treble council tax while we're at it.

We may as well fix the NHS while we're living in the fantasy Utopian world where you, the fairies and the other trolls live?

Meanwhile, back in crisis land, do you really believe the Police WANT to live like this? Of course they don't, they're just making the best of a bad lot as decreed by the Government voted in democratically.

Enjoy life in Boris land; Bean counters rule!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Tell you what, cornbeefur. Let's provide the police with crystal balls so that a pair can stand outside each house just as it is about to be burgled.[/p][/quote]No, lets have a local Police Station in Leyton, Leytonstone, Walthamstow, Chingford, fit for purpose, even purpose built like the Fire Stations they are replacing. Focal points, open 24 hours a day, not closed when Staff are 'on holiday'. Substantially built buildings, with Police visibly walking to and from them, so that everyone knows that they are there, reassurance for the hard working Public. The Police Stations should have facilities to support the essentially hard working officers with the slackers who hang around being supervised more effectively and chased back out on the street. Let them have canteens where officers can have their breaks and be supervised so that they do not have to use privately owned cafes and have arbitrary breaks from duty. The Public need to know where their Local Police Station is and they need it to be open 24 hours a day so that those who cannot attend to make a report during office hours can attend when it is convenient to do so. Let us pay for the same by ceasing to lease out these 'Police Shops' at high rents, shed those Officers who are past it fitness wise, cut back on the Top heavy rank system, do away with the fancy equipment and get back to basics. We need to get rid of the hopeless and powerless 'Blunkett Bobby' system, make any of them who are competent enough real Constables and recruit more with the savings. Police need to be seen on a regular basis, not emerge reactively from an industrial unit at the Borough's outskirts.[/p][/quote]For once, I totally agree with you. Let's raise everyones tax to 50% to pay for it and double, no treble council tax while we're at it. We may as well fix the NHS while we're living in the fantasy Utopian world where you, the fairies and the other trolls live? Meanwhile, back in crisis land, do you really believe the Police WANT to live like this? Of course they don't, they're just making the best of a bad lot as decreed by the Government voted in democratically. Enjoy life in Boris land; Bean counters rule! JackDaniels

9:58am Sun 13 Jan 13

stickmanny says...

close, but not quite.

let's stop pretending that giving business endless tax breaks, grants, freedom to fire staff at will etc actually benefits the people of this country.

take some cash out of business activity to fund the sort of thing we really need eg police protection, healthcare and education.
close, but not quite. let's stop pretending that giving business endless tax breaks, grants, freedom to fire staff at will etc actually benefits the people of this country. take some cash out of business activity to fund the sort of thing we really need eg police protection, healthcare and education. stickmanny

10:14am Sun 13 Jan 13

myopinioncounts says...

While I agree with some of the comments about policing, the first line of defence is a secure home.
One part of the report states, "a man opened her door and walked into her house". this lack of security is mind boggling. Another home had £19,000 worth of jewellery taken. Just maybe a few quid of that spent on mortice locks and secure windows might have prevented the break-in. The police will almost always turn up after an incident, even if the householder telephones while a break-in is taking place so their role will be to solve crime not prevent it, that is mostly down to us.
While I agree with some of the comments about policing, the first line of defence is a secure home. One part of the report states, "a man opened her door and walked into her house". this lack of security is mind boggling. Another home had £19,000 worth of jewellery taken. Just maybe a few quid of that spent on mortice locks and secure windows might have prevented the break-in. The police will almost always turn up after an incident, even if the householder telephones while a break-in is taking place so their role will be to solve crime not prevent it, that is mostly down to us. myopinioncounts

10:57am Sun 13 Jan 13

SXH says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
While I agree with some of the comments about policing, the first line of defence is a secure home. One part of the report states, "a man opened her door and walked into her house". this lack of security is mind boggling. Another home had £19,000 worth of jewellery taken. Just maybe a few quid of that spent on mortice locks and secure windows might have prevented the break-in. The police will almost always turn up after an incident, even if the householder telephones while a break-in is taking place so their role will be to solve crime not prevent it, that is mostly down to us.
True i wondered how the man just walked in, the other having that amount of jewellery in the house they can afford to invest in a house alarm let alone locks.

You cannot blame the police if people are not securing there property, criminals check properties out beforehand, they even mark properties outside for when they return, anyone with house Insurance if correct locks are not used your policy is void. you can always get advice from your local SNT
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: While I agree with some of the comments about policing, the first line of defence is a secure home. One part of the report states, "a man opened her door and walked into her house". this lack of security is mind boggling. Another home had £19,000 worth of jewellery taken. Just maybe a few quid of that spent on mortice locks and secure windows might have prevented the break-in. The police will almost always turn up after an incident, even if the householder telephones while a break-in is taking place so their role will be to solve crime not prevent it, that is mostly down to us.[/p][/quote]True i wondered how the man just walked in, the other having that amount of jewellery in the house they can afford to invest in a house alarm let alone locks. You cannot blame the police if people are not securing there property, criminals check properties out beforehand, they even mark properties outside for when they return, anyone with house Insurance if correct locks are not used your policy is void. you can always get advice from your local SNT SXH

8:27pm Sun 13 Jan 13

SpursSupporter1 says...

Ditto SXH i know i sure as hek wouldnt leave my door open? stupidness at the highest level, people should be able to do so but anybody with half a brain would realise that you Do Not leave your home unsecure in this day and age
Ditto SXH i know i sure as hek wouldnt leave my door open? stupidness at the highest level, people should be able to do so but anybody with half a brain would realise that you Do Not leave your home unsecure in this day and age SpursSupporter1

11:45am Mon 14 Jan 13

RichieA70 says...

While not supporting the closure of Police stations simply on the basis of govt cut-backs, is there any substantial evidence to proove that their absence results in a crime epidemic? Is there equally any evidence that the presense of pre-WWII police stn buildings is more of a crime deterrant than visible policing elsewhere?
While not supporting the closure of Police stations simply on the basis of govt cut-backs, is there any substantial evidence to proove that their absence results in a crime epidemic? Is there equally any evidence that the presense of pre-WWII police stn buildings is more of a crime deterrant than visible policing elsewhere? RichieA70

12:05pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Isaythat says...

RichieA70 wrote:
While not supporting the closure of Police stations simply on the basis of govt cut-backs, is there any substantial evidence to proove that their absence results in a crime epidemic? Is there equally any evidence that the presense of pre-WWII police stn buildings is more of a crime deterrant than visible policing elsewhere?
I very much doubt it Richie. Personally I prefer the thought of the police being on the streets rather than behind a desk, but how and where can the paperwork be dealt with?
[quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: While not supporting the closure of Police stations simply on the basis of govt cut-backs, is there any substantial evidence to proove that their absence results in a crime epidemic? Is there equally any evidence that the presense of pre-WWII police stn buildings is more of a crime deterrant than visible policing elsewhere?[/p][/quote]I very much doubt it Richie. Personally I prefer the thought of the police being on the streets rather than behind a desk, but how and where can the paperwork be dealt with? Isaythat

12:48pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Isaythat wrote:
RichieA70 wrote:
While not supporting the closure of Police stations simply on the basis of govt cut-backs, is there any substantial evidence to proove that their absence results in a crime epidemic? Is there equally any evidence that the presense of pre-WWII police stn buildings is more of a crime deterrant than visible policing elsewhere?
I very much doubt it Richie. Personally I prefer the thought of the police being on the streets rather than behind a desk, but how and where can the paperwork be dealt with?
Given that the Walthamstow station has been closed for nearly two years the evidence would seem to suggest that any crime epidemic is taking its time in turning up.

As Fabster has said on other threads the crucial part is ensuring that local relationships are not lost.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RichieA70[/bold] wrote: While not supporting the closure of Police stations simply on the basis of govt cut-backs, is there any substantial evidence to proove that their absence results in a crime epidemic? Is there equally any evidence that the presense of pre-WWII police stn buildings is more of a crime deterrant than visible policing elsewhere?[/p][/quote]I very much doubt it Richie. Personally I prefer the thought of the police being on the streets rather than behind a desk, but how and where can the paperwork be dealt with?[/p][/quote]Given that the Walthamstow station has been closed for nearly two years the evidence would seem to suggest that any crime epidemic is taking its time in turning up. As Fabster has said on other threads the crucial part is ensuring that local relationships are not lost. Alan_1976

2:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13

dlon says...

..actually this particular story worries me quiet a lot. Just to cut through to the specifics of this story. Wider crimes rates aside for a second. What seem to have been happening with this and reported in other stories is, that during the day (when most of us are at work) 2-3 men go door-to-door opportunistically breaking into houses ,through the front door, close but not next to each other. This is actually quiet an effective way of doing it and what worries me is some of the ward in Leyton like Grove Green are hugely residential and the closure of the police station mean there will be no police presents in the area unless someone alerts the police…. Which is unlikely with this sort of chain-burglary until well after the event.

..I apologies for the next comment as I’m not trying to attack a group who earn very little, but in any area there’s a question of who has ‘intelligence’ on weather a property is likely to be vacant during the day. We do get a lot of leafleting and people looking in the bins for metal , when ever I do get a day off I’m always surprised just how many people approach my flat.

I will definitely be keeping a track of burglary’s in the area and I guess unfortunately curtain twitching a bit more 
..actually this particular story worries me quiet a lot. Just to cut through to the specifics of this story. Wider crimes rates aside for a second. What seem to have been happening with this and reported in other stories is, that during the day (when most of us are at work) 2-3 men go door-to-door opportunistically breaking into houses ,through the front door, close but not next to each other. This is actually quiet an effective way of doing it and what worries me is some of the ward in Leyton like Grove Green are hugely residential and the closure of the police station mean there will be no police presents in the area unless someone alerts the police…. Which is unlikely with this sort of chain-burglary until well after the event. ..I apologies for the next comment as I’m not trying to attack a group who earn very little, but in any area there’s a question of who has ‘intelligence’ on weather a property is likely to be vacant during the day. We do get a lot of leafleting and people looking in the bins for metal , when ever I do get a day off I’m always surprised just how many people approach my flat. I will definitely be keeping a track of burglary’s in the area and I guess unfortunately curtain twitching a bit more  dlon

11:22pm Mon 14 Jan 13

SXH says...

Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.
Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours. SXH

10:04am Tue 15 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

SXH wrote:
Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.
Paranoia can be treated with professional help.
[quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.[/p][/quote]Paranoia can be treated with professional help. Cornbeefur

1:17pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.
Paranoia can be treated with professional help.
You've got it wrong yet again, cornbeefur.

A few years ago, this very newspaper carried a front page report on the chalk signs that are used by gangs to identify homes which would be easy to break into, those with frail elderly residents and ones where everyone would normally be out during the day. The warning came from the police.

Catch up!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.[/p][/quote]Paranoia can be treated with professional help.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong yet again, cornbeefur. A few years ago, this very newspaper carried a front page report on the chalk signs that are used by gangs to identify homes which would be easy to break into, those with frail elderly residents and ones where everyone would normally be out during the day. The warning came from the police. Catch up! Helen, Walthamstow

2:11pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.
Paranoia can be treated with professional help.
You've got it wrong yet again, cornbeefur.

A few years ago, this very newspaper carried a front page report on the chalk signs that are used by gangs to identify homes which would be easy to break into, those with frail elderly residents and ones where everyone would normally be out during the day. The warning came from the police.

Catch up!
Some people believe anything.

Paranoia
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.[/p][/quote]Paranoia can be treated with professional help.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong yet again, cornbeefur. A few years ago, this very newspaper carried a front page report on the chalk signs that are used by gangs to identify homes which would be easy to break into, those with frail elderly residents and ones where everyone would normally be out during the day. The warning came from the police. Catch up![/p][/quote]Some people believe anything. Paranoia Cornbeefur

2:47pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.
Paranoia can be treated with professional help.
You've got it wrong yet again, cornbeefur.

A few years ago, this very newspaper carried a front page report on the chalk signs that are used by gangs to identify homes which would be easy to break into, those with frail elderly residents and ones where everyone would normally be out during the day. The warning came from the police.

Catch up!
Some people believe anything.

Paranoia
Paranoia would indicate unfounded beliefs. Which these are not.

http://www.coventryt
elegraph.net/news/co
ventry-news/2012/10/
01/alert-as-suspecte
d-burglars-chalk-sym
bols-found-on-warwic
kshire-homes-92746-3
1938215/

Paranoia is usually accompanied by delusions which often seem to manifest themselves with you via your inability to deal with facts. Your references to "your readers" also indicate a tendancy towards delusions of grandeur.

I suggest that perhaps you should seek professional help.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.[/p][/quote]Paranoia can be treated with professional help.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong yet again, cornbeefur. A few years ago, this very newspaper carried a front page report on the chalk signs that are used by gangs to identify homes which would be easy to break into, those with frail elderly residents and ones where everyone would normally be out during the day. The warning came from the police. Catch up![/p][/quote]Some people believe anything. Paranoia[/p][/quote]Paranoia would indicate unfounded beliefs. Which these are not. http://www.coventryt elegraph.net/news/co ventry-news/2012/10/ 01/alert-as-suspecte d-burglars-chalk-sym bols-found-on-warwic kshire-homes-92746-3 1938215/ Paranoia is usually accompanied by delusions which often seem to manifest themselves with you via your inability to deal with facts. Your references to "your readers" also indicate a tendancy towards delusions of grandeur. I suggest that perhaps you should seek professional help. Alan_1976

2:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

http://www.dailymail
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http://www.jpcctv.co
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http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 1232496/The-Burglars -Code-Criminals-chal k-messages-pinpoint- targets-villains.htm l http://www.jpcctv.co .uk/2012/10/31/burgl ars-marking-your-hom e-with-chalk-symbols / Alan_1976

3:15pm Tue 15 Jan 13

SXH says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote: Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.
Paranoia can be treated with professional help.
Cornbeefur if anyone needs help it's you, i have worked with Crimes Prevention, over 10 years, so i know what i am talking about, it's advice we give to the community.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: Symbols are being used to inform their fellow criminals, chalk markings outside peoples homes, anything suspicious report to police and quickly wipe them off. keep a check on elderly neighbours.[/p][/quote]Paranoia can be treated with professional help.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur if anyone needs help it's you, i have worked with Crimes Prevention, over 10 years, so i know what i am talking about, it's advice we give to the community. SXH

3:52pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Isaythat says...

SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?
SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please? Isaythat

4:14pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Isaythat wrote:
SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?
Yes if you see a crudely drawn chalk picture of a Police Station with a huge cross mark through it it means 'All Police Stations in Borough Closed, you are on your own mate!'
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?[/p][/quote]Yes if you see a crudely drawn chalk picture of a Police Station with a huge cross mark through it it means 'All Police Stations in Borough Closed, you are on your own mate!' Cornbeefur

4:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13

SXH says...

Isaythat wrote:
SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?
www.met.police.uk/cr
imeprevention/burgla
ry

uPVC Doors
If your house is fitted with uPVC doors make sure you always lock the door with a key. Simply closing the door and pushing the handle will not prevent someone entering. Insure you engage the multi-lock mechanism and the door is securely locked.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?[/p][/quote]www.met.police.uk/cr imeprevention/burgla ry uPVC Doors If your house is fitted with uPVC doors make sure you always lock the door with a key. Simply closing the door and pushing the handle will not prevent someone entering. Insure you engage the multi-lock mechanism and the door is securely locked. SXH

5:13pm Tue 15 Jan 13

myopinioncounts says...

My neighbour locked herself out and had to call a locksmith. He was able to gain entrance within seconds with a credit card type piece of plastic. She had not put the mortice lock on before going out and the other yale lock was no defence against a simple piece of plastic!
My neighbour locked herself out and had to call a locksmith. He was able to gain entrance within seconds with a credit card type piece of plastic. She had not put the mortice lock on before going out and the other yale lock was no defence against a simple piece of plastic! myopinioncounts

5:33pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

SXH wrote:
Isaythat wrote:
SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?
www.met.police.uk/cr

imeprevention/burgla

ry

uPVC Doors
If your house is fitted with uPVC doors make sure you always lock the door with a key. Simply closing the door and pushing the handle will not prevent someone entering. Insure you engage the multi-lock mechanism and the door is securely locked.
Who are you advising? The over 90's?

Insure what?

Can you explain what you are talking about?
[quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?[/p][/quote]www.met.police.uk/cr imeprevention/burgla ry uPVC Doors If your house is fitted with uPVC doors make sure you always lock the door with a key. Simply closing the door and pushing the handle will not prevent someone entering. Insure you engage the multi-lock mechanism and the door is securely locked.[/p][/quote]Who are you advising? The over 90's? Insure what? Can you explain what you are talking about? Cornbeefur

5:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
Isaythat wrote: SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?
www.met.police.uk/cr imeprevention/burgla ry uPVC Doors If your house is fitted with uPVC doors make sure you always lock the door with a key. Simply closing the door and pushing the handle will not prevent someone entering. Insure you engage the multi-lock mechanism and the door is securely locked.
Who are you advising? The over 90's? Insure what? Can you explain what you are talking about?
We'll get you one with pictures. Words have always been an issue for you
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: SXH, thank you for highlighting (no pun) the chalkings. How brazen these people are. A policeman once gave me advice not to change my street door to a double glazed one as they are easier to break into - he didn't mention it was because they aren't self locking!. Is there any other similar helpful information anyone can share please?[/p][/quote]www.met.police.uk/cr imeprevention/burgla ry uPVC Doors If your house is fitted with uPVC doors make sure you always lock the door with a key. Simply closing the door and pushing the handle will not prevent someone entering. Insure you engage the multi-lock mechanism and the door is securely locked.[/p][/quote]Who are you advising? The over 90's? Insure what? Can you explain what you are talking about?[/p][/quote]We'll get you one with pictures. Words have always been an issue for you Alan_1976

5:52pm Tue 15 Jan 13

SXH says...

I dont think Cornbeefur can see pictures if he cannot read facts.
I dont think Cornbeefur can see pictures if he cannot read facts. SXH

2:42pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Jeremy_Griffiths says...

Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?
Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously? Jeremy_Griffiths

2:59pm Fri 18 Jan 13

stickmanny says...

he is a truly brilliant troll. what a shame he can't earn money from it
he is a truly brilliant troll. what a shame he can't earn money from it stickmanny

2:59pm Fri 18 Jan 13

stickmanny says...

he is a truly brilliant troll. what a shame he can't earn money from it
he is a truly brilliant troll. what a shame he can't earn money from it stickmanny

3:28pm Fri 18 Jan 13

BobS_E17 says...

stickmanny wrote:
he is a truly brilliant troll. what a shame he can't earn money from it
I see no reason why he couldn't. There's a lot of money to be made out of fertilisers and he produces tonnes of verbal manure.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: he is a truly brilliant troll. what a shame he can't earn money from it[/p][/quote]I see no reason why he couldn't. There's a lot of money to be made out of fertilisers and he produces tonnes of verbal manure. BobS_E17

4:23pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Jeremy_Griffiths wrote:
Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?
I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me.

Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received.

Three after your post here!

Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.
[quote][p][bold]Jeremy_Griffiths[/bold] wrote: Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?[/p][/quote]I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me. Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received. Three after your post here! Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with. Cornbeefur

4:33pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Jeremy_Griffiths wrote:
Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?
I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me.

Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received.

Three after your post here!

Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.
Must be someone else with your username insulting the subject of this news article today then....

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/10
171263.Wanstead_weat
herman_expecting_sno
w_to_get_heavier/
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy_Griffiths[/bold] wrote: Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?[/p][/quote]I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me. Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received. Three after your post here! Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.[/p][/quote]Must be someone else with your username insulting the subject of this news article today then.... http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 171263.Wanstead_weat herman_expecting_sno w_to_get_heavier/ Alan_1976

5:26pm Fri 18 Jan 13

SXH says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Jeremy_Griffiths wrote: Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?
I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me. Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received. Three after your post here! Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.
Must be someone else with your username insulting the subject of this news article today then.... http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 171263.Wanstead_weat herman_expecting_sno w_to_get_heavier/
So true.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy_Griffiths[/bold] wrote: Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?[/p][/quote]I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me. Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received. Three after your post here! Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.[/p][/quote]Must be someone else with your username insulting the subject of this news article today then.... http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 171263.Wanstead_weat herman_expecting_sno w_to_get_heavier/[/p][/quote]So true. SXH

11:23pm Fri 18 Jan 13

ColinOrient says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
This is just the start of it.

Apart from people like Helen and Nairn, who walk around with cranberry Tinted Spectacles, imagining that the have seen Police Officers patrolling regularly, most locals are aware that with the closure of most of the Boroughs Police Stations, they have been left extremely vulnerable to such Burglaries and of course potentially worse still once the Burglar is in your premises.

The winners are the Crooks who even in the vague possibility of being captured, will get off with a caution or slap on the wrist at court.

The Crooks know that the Police are based miles away and will have a head start to decamp away in time.

What will obviously happen in due course is a serious situation where someone is harmed and then the Police will come under pressure from the Liberally minded people for action. Up until now, these same people think that everything is rosy. The likes of the two people aforementioned. paint such a false picture of reality that the Police get away with their negligence and dreadful public service.

Instead of crime prevention and detection they spend their time pulling up repeatedly the likes of Stephen Lawrence's Brother 25 times to further alienate themselves from the general public or sit around in cafes all day to feed their ever expanding waistlines.
Thank you, good to know not everyone loves to save a burglar or hug a hoodie. These criminals need suitable hardline punishments, not all the old rubbish from the loony human rights brigade.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: This is just the start of it. Apart from people like Helen and Nairn, who walk around with cranberry Tinted Spectacles, imagining that the have seen Police Officers patrolling regularly, most locals are aware that with the closure of most of the Boroughs Police Stations, they have been left extremely vulnerable to such Burglaries and of course potentially worse still once the Burglar is in your premises. The winners are the Crooks who even in the vague possibility of being captured, will get off with a caution or slap on the wrist at court. The Crooks know that the Police are based miles away and will have a head start to decamp away in time. What will obviously happen in due course is a serious situation where someone is harmed and then the Police will come under pressure from the Liberally minded people for action. Up until now, these same people think that everything is rosy. The likes of the two people aforementioned. paint such a false picture of reality that the Police get away with their negligence and dreadful public service. Instead of crime prevention and detection they spend their time pulling up repeatedly the likes of Stephen Lawrence's Brother 25 times to further alienate themselves from the general public or sit around in cafes all day to feed their ever expanding waistlines.[/p][/quote]Thank you, good to know not everyone loves to save a burglar or hug a hoodie. These criminals need suitable hardline punishments, not all the old rubbish from the loony human rights brigade. ColinOrient

6:48pm Sun 20 Jan 13

SXH says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Jeremy_Griffiths wrote: Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?
I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me. Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received. Three after your post here! Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.
Cornbeefur on the same day you insulted me on another artical? i do not call you names.
Ol Nodder agrees again with anything anyone says.”
http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/10
172448.Government_cr
iticised_over____unf
air____health_fundin
g/

explination needed.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jeremy_Griffiths[/bold] wrote: Cornbeeper, has it ever occurred to you that regularly insulting people, as you have done in this comments thread and on numerous other occasions, is not the best way to engage in debate and to have your points taken seriously?[/p][/quote]I do not insult people. on the contrary, people insult me. Have a look at some of the names I have been called and insults I have received. Three after your post here! Furthermore I have had many agreements to views expressed, there seems to be a lot of thin skinned contributors, highly sensitive to any debate they do not agree with.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur on the same day you insulted me on another artical? i do not call you names. Ol Nodder agrees again with anything anyone says.” http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/10 172448.Government_cr iticised_over____unf air____health_fundin g/ explination needed. SXH

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