Link between Walthamstow Central and Queens Road stations 'due this summer'

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Richard Pout and Glenn Wallis of the Barking - Gospel Oak User Line Group at the site where a new walkway will link Queens Road with Walthamstow Central Station. Richard Pout and Glenn Wallis of the Barking - Gospel Oak User Line Group at the site where a new walkway will link Queens Road with Walthamstow Central Station.

A walkway linking two busy Walthamstow stations is reportedly scheduled to open this summer - after 17 years of delays and broken promises.

Campaigners from the Barking to Gospel Oak Line User Group (BGOLUG) say the council has told them that the pedestrian bridge connecting Walthamstow Central and Queens Road should be completed by June.

The Family Housing Association first pledged to build the walkway back in 1996.

The promise was made in return for it being granted planning permission for a development in nearby Exeter Road, but the walkway was never built and a long legal battle with Waltham Forest Council ensued.

The authority won an appeal in 2008 but delays dragged on, until Solum Regeneration promised to build the structure as part of its bid to build tower blocks by Walthamstow Central Station.

Planning permission for that scheme, which includes a 14-storey Travelodge Hotel and two eight-storey residential blocks, was granted in January 2011.

Council officer Ian Ansell told a planning meeting that the "main positive" of the controversial development was that it would lead to the completion of the pedestrian link.

Planning permission for the final designs of the walkway was granted in September 2011 and the council reportedly told BGOLUG that it would be completed by the end of the year.

But a spokesman for Solum said the agreement had been to build the link by the end of 2013 and he would not confirm the claim that it will be finished in June.

Earlier this month Waltham Forest Council's cabinet approved a draft 'Action Plan' strategy document for Walthamstow Town Centre which proposed that the link should be completed to help regenerate the area.

The tower blocks are due to be completed by the end of 2013.

According to Solum's website two of the development's five retail units have so far been sold.

One will be occupied by lettings and estate agents Wonderlease and the other by Central Radio Cars, which previously had a permanent office at the site.

The Solum spokesman said: “Construction work on Solum Regeneration’s redevelopment of the area around Walthamstow Central Station is progressing well and the project will be completed by the end of 2013, as planned. 

"The £22 million scheme will bring new homes, jobs and inward investment to Walthamstow and provide environmental enhancements around the station.

“As part of the planning agreement with Waltham Forest Council, a new pedestrian and cycle link from Walthamstow Central Station to Edison Close will be provided. 

"This will be delivered later this year, as part of the agreed package of environmental improvements.”

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10:56pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

The Japanese build Suspension Bridges in record time of 4 years and we cannot build a subway in 17 years.

Oh Labour Council, why are you so hopeless?

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The Japanese build Suspension Bridges in record time of 4 years and we cannot build a subway in 17 years. Oh Labour Council, why are you so hopeless? http://www.cowi.com/ menu/project/BridgeT unnelandMarineStruct ures/Bridges/Suspens ionbridges/Pages/izm it-bay-suspension-br idge-to-be-built-in- record-time.aspx Cornbeefur

11:43pm Fri 25 Jan 13

GlennW says...

You're obviously not familiar with this saga as there is no subway required. Just a footpath down the side of the Walthamstow Central station car park and a ramp from Edison Close down onto the end of the Walthamstow Queen's Road station footbridge.

BGOLUG would love a subway from Walthamstow Queen's Road station under the Chingford Line to Selborne Road but sadly that's not on the cards.

Glenn Wallis
Assistant Secretary
Barking - Gospel Oak Line User Group
www.barking-gospeloa
k.org.uk
You're obviously not familiar with this saga as there is no subway required. Just a footpath down the side of the Walthamstow Central station car park and a ramp from Edison Close down onto the end of the Walthamstow Queen's Road station footbridge. BGOLUG would love a subway from Walthamstow Queen's Road station under the Chingford Line to Selborne Road but sadly that's not on the cards. Glenn Wallis Assistant Secretary Barking - Gospel Oak Line User Group www.barking-gospeloa k.org.uk GlennW

6:28am Sat 26 Jan 13

moanalone says...

Talking of links, lets get the same Chingford line, making every other train take the turn towards Stratford, how difficult can that really be, surely the old station on Lea Bridge road would benefit and so would the line in general. Why does it have to have talks taking us till 2020 to decide?
Talking of links, lets get the same Chingford line, making every other train take the turn towards Stratford, how difficult can that really be, surely the old station on Lea Bridge road would benefit and so would the line in general. Why does it have to have talks taking us till 2020 to decide? moanalone

7:55am Sat 26 Jan 13

Isaythat says...

Reopening The Hall Farm Curve has been mentioned before and would connect this area directly to Stratford, helping work prospects - but in their wisdom LBWF decide to take years talking about it! The borough has such a high unemployment level, giving people public transport to get directly to an area which has good work facilities isn't too much to ask.
Reopening The Hall Farm Curve has been mentioned before and would connect this area directly to Stratford, helping work prospects - but in their wisdom LBWF decide to take years talking about it! The borough has such a high unemployment level, giving people public transport to get directly to an area which has good work facilities isn't too much to ask. Isaythat

8:40am Sat 26 Jan 13

bullyboy says...

Boris johnson has said he wants to take west anglia under tfl control if this happeneds when the current franchise ends london overground would open up that line which links stratford so many people are wanting to get a train service to westfield shopping centre stratford from walthamstow central i think this is on the cards for the future if tfl gets control
Boris johnson has said he wants to take west anglia under tfl control if this happeneds when the current franchise ends london overground would open up that line which links stratford so many people are wanting to get a train service to westfield shopping centre stratford from walthamstow central i think this is on the cards for the future if tfl gets control bullyboy

11:51am Sat 26 Jan 13

GlennW says...

A reopened Lea Bridge Station is a funded scheme in the Network Rail Strategic Business Plan for the 2014-2019 Control period (unlike Barking - Gospel Oak electrification), while a third line to allow extra Brimsdown - Stratford stopping trains (including Lea Bridge) is also included and funded although that scheme is less advanced. There is no reference to Hall Farm Curve at all so no prospect of a Chingford - Stratford (& possibly Liverpool Street) service until 2020 at least.

TfL are lobbying Government to be given control of the West Anglia inner suburban services of Greater Anglia (Chingford/Enfield Town/Hertford East) and the inner suburban services of Southeastern when those two franchises come up for renewal.
A reopened Lea Bridge Station is a funded scheme in the Network Rail Strategic Business Plan for the 2014-2019 Control period (unlike Barking - Gospel Oak electrification), while a third line to allow extra Brimsdown - Stratford stopping trains (including Lea Bridge) is also included and funded although that scheme is less advanced. There is no reference to Hall Farm Curve at all so no prospect of a Chingford - Stratford (& possibly Liverpool Street) service until 2020 at least. TfL are lobbying Government to be given control of the West Anglia inner suburban services of Greater Anglia (Chingford/Enfield Town/Hertford East) and the inner suburban services of Southeastern when those two franchises come up for renewal. GlennW

11:53am Sat 26 Jan 13

myopinioncounts says...

The Family Housing Association should have faced a massive fine for not keeping to the contract and/or the housing development not 'signed off' for tenants to move into before the walkway was open. Ignoring planning rules seems to be a game developers are playing too regularly.
The Family Housing Association should have faced a massive fine for not keeping to the contract and/or the housing development not 'signed off' for tenants to move into before the walkway was open. Ignoring planning rules seems to be a game developers are playing too regularly. myopinioncounts

9:14pm Sat 26 Jan 13

tjw422 says...

I actually despair with MOST of the comments on this article. Not for the first time. The base theme of this article was that the 'link' walkway between Queen's Road and Central station may be coming to fruition this summer. Cannot most of you keep to the article in hand? What the hell has Lea bridge road, Brimsdown,Japanese suspension bridges, The hall farm curve, Boris Johnson wanting to take tfl control of some of greater anglia network? At times, I have seen sense with SOME contributors to the many articles on this site, but I give up. You may be pleased to know that I will never ever bother to contribute into this site again, especially to vie with the persistent idiots who have continually lost the plot. Bye Bye. Close down, as I have better things to do with real people who debate sense. Believe me, I won't be logging in again to view your responses.
I actually despair with MOST of the comments on this article. Not for the first time. The base theme of this article was that the 'link' walkway between Queen's Road and Central station may be coming to fruition this summer. Cannot most of you keep to the article in hand? What the hell has Lea bridge road, Brimsdown,Japanese suspension bridges, The hall farm curve, Boris Johnson wanting to take tfl control of some of greater anglia network? At times, I have seen sense with SOME contributors to the many articles on this site, but I give up. You may be pleased to know that I will never ever bother to contribute into this site again, especially to vie with the persistent idiots who have continually lost the plot. Bye Bye. Close down, as I have better things to do with real people who debate sense. Believe me, I won't be logging in again to view your responses. tjw422

10:54pm Sat 26 Jan 13

mdj says...

'the "main positive" of the controversial development was that it would lead to the completion of the pedestrian link....'

Considering the Council could have enforced the provision of this amenity 17 years ago, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry, if this is the best part of the deal.
This development could have used the airspace over the station to connect seamlessly both sides of the track, making the scheme much more profitable, instead of perpetuating and making worse the poky cul-de-sac by the bridge, and blocking the skyline with cheap highrises. What a missed opportunity.
'the "main positive" of the controversial development was that it would lead to the completion of the pedestrian link....' Considering the Council could have enforced the provision of this amenity 17 years ago, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry, if this is the best part of the deal. This development could have used the airspace over the station to connect seamlessly both sides of the track, making the scheme much more profitable, instead of perpetuating and making worse the poky cul-de-sac by the bridge, and blocking the skyline with cheap highrises. What a missed opportunity. mdj

8:17am Sun 27 Jan 13

Isaythat says...

mdj wrote:
'the "main positive" of the controversial development was that it would lead to the completion of the pedestrian link....'

Considering the Council could have enforced the provision of this amenity 17 years ago, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry, if this is the best part of the deal.
This development could have used the airspace over the station to connect seamlessly both sides of the track, making the scheme much more profitable, instead of perpetuating and making worse the poky cul-de-sac by the bridge, and blocking the skyline with cheap highrises. What a missed opportunity.
how right you are!
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'the "main positive" of the controversial development was that it would lead to the completion of the pedestrian link....' Considering the Council could have enforced the provision of this amenity 17 years ago, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry, if this is the best part of the deal. This development could have used the airspace over the station to connect seamlessly both sides of the track, making the scheme much more profitable, instead of perpetuating and making worse the poky cul-de-sac by the bridge, and blocking the skyline with cheap highrises. What a missed opportunity.[/p][/quote]how right you are! Isaythat

12:22pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
The Family Housing Association should have faced a massive fine for not keeping to the contract and/or the housing development not 'signed off' for tenants to move into before the walkway was open. Ignoring planning rules seems to be a game developers are playing too regularly.
I agree. The developers cynically agreed to the footpath when they obviously had not the slightest intention of building it.
But the handling of this saga by the council has been pathetically feeble all the way. They have net over backwards not to enforce planning law, which is characteristic of both the officers and the useless councillors.
Please also remember that the last promise was to complete the route last year.
I hope the latest promise will be kept, but after seventeen years of lies and deceit a certain scepticism is due.
I also agree with mjd that the existing route is now redundant in the light of the development of the station site, and it would have been much better to connect the station with a more direct route, rather than sending people down the side of a car park. Even when (if!) built it looks like it will be a lonely and off-putting route at night.
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: The Family Housing Association should have faced a massive fine for not keeping to the contract and/or the housing development not 'signed off' for tenants to move into before the walkway was open. Ignoring planning rules seems to be a game developers are playing too regularly.[/p][/quote]I agree. The developers cynically agreed to the footpath when they obviously had not the slightest intention of building it. But the handling of this saga by the council has been pathetically feeble all the way. They have net over backwards not to enforce planning law, which is characteristic of both the officers and the useless councillors. Please also remember that the last promise was to complete the route last year. I hope the latest promise will be kept, but after seventeen years of lies and deceit a certain scepticism is due. I also agree with mjd that the existing route is now redundant in the light of the development of the station site, and it would have been much better to connect the station with a more direct route, rather than sending people down the side of a car park. Even when (if!) built it looks like it will be a lonely and off-putting route at night. Tom Thumb

2:21pm Sun 27 Jan 13

mdj says...

Articles appear and disappear from this paper's website in a baffling way. Looking for this one, the keywords I fed in only turned up this at first:
'WALTHAMSTOW: Stations link 'to be built this year'

12:00pm Wednesday 29th June 2011 in News By Daniel Binns

Not a very good sign!

My criticism of the lack of imagination of the new scheme, which could have developed over the track instead of preserving the present station to no great effect, does not relate to the inexcusable delay in linking these two stations directly. It does sound like the most grudging, cheap and minimal concession to an obvious need.If we want maximal use of public transport, the links should be clear, logical and inviting to use.
Am I right that when this scheme is finished, people will still have to stand in the rain to find a taxi?
Articles appear and disappear from this paper's website in a baffling way. Looking for this one, the keywords I fed in only turned up this at first: 'WALTHAMSTOW: Stations link 'to be built this year' 12:00pm Wednesday 29th June 2011 in News By Daniel Binns Not a very good sign! My criticism of the lack of imagination of the new scheme, which could have developed over the track instead of preserving the present station to no great effect, does not relate to the inexcusable delay in linking these two stations directly. It does sound like the most grudging, cheap and minimal concession to an obvious need.If we want maximal use of public transport, the links should be clear, logical and inviting to use. Am I right that when this scheme is finished, people will still have to stand in the rain to find a taxi? mdj

8:29pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Call me Earl says...

No doubt if certain councillors had noticed that the walkway link gave quicker access for some to the Queens Road Mosque. The walkway would of been up and running years ago. .......... };{D}
No doubt if certain councillors had noticed that the walkway link gave quicker access for some to the Queens Road Mosque. The walkway would of been up and running years ago. .......... };{D} Call me Earl

9:42pm Sun 27 Jan 13

GlennW says...

The history of this issue is covered in the following documents on our website:

www.barking-gospeloa
k.org.uk/history/200
71221_Queen's_Road.p
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www.barking-gospeloa
k.org.history/200907
17_press_release.pdf


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www.barking-gospeloa
k.org.uk/history/201
20427_e_bulletin.pdf


Glenn Wallis
Assistant Secretary
Barking - Gospel Oak Line User Group
The history of this issue is covered in the following documents on our website: www.barking-gospeloa k.org.uk/history/200 71221_Queen's_Road.p df www.barking-gospeloa k.org.history/200907 17_press_release.pdf & www.barking-gospeloa k.org.uk/history/201 20427_e_bulletin.pdf Glenn Wallis Assistant Secretary Barking - Gospel Oak Line User Group GlennW

10:16pm Sun 27 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

Let's also not forget that the link between the tube station and the bus station has been far inferior to what should have been built.
It is frequently closed by leaks in the roof or by seeping sewage.
Both the small and large lifts are frequently out of order. The large lift was out of us before Christmas, over Christmas, and after Christmas.
Alos, the plebs of E17 were evidently not worth spending money on, as instead of an escalator there's a long flight of stairs.
Insultingly London Underground now boasts that Waltjhamstow Central has wifi. I have yet to see anyone lingering at the station in order to use their laptop.
And for locals there is always that comic moment when the announcement plays that Walthamstow has been reached and it is time to exit the train. Unwary strangers spring to their feet, unaware that the train is stopped in a tunnel. This glitch in the new super-improved service has still not been corrected.
The proposed link between Walthamstow Central and Queens Road stations will, if the tradition is anything to go by, end up as a scruffy alleyway full of dog turds and the occasional mattress.
Let's also not forget that the link between the tube station and the bus station has been far inferior to what should have been built. It is frequently closed by leaks in the roof or by seeping sewage. Both the small and large lifts are frequently out of order. The large lift was out of us before Christmas, over Christmas, and after Christmas. Alos, the plebs of E17 were evidently not worth spending money on, as instead of an escalator there's a long flight of stairs. Insultingly London Underground now boasts that Waltjhamstow Central has wifi. I have yet to see anyone lingering at the station in order to use their laptop. And for locals there is always that comic moment when the announcement plays that Walthamstow has been reached and it is time to exit the train. Unwary strangers spring to their feet, unaware that the train is stopped in a tunnel. This glitch in the new super-improved service has still not been corrected. The proposed link between Walthamstow Central and Queens Road stations will, if the tradition is anything to go by, end up as a scruffy alleyway full of dog turds and the occasional mattress. Tom Thumb

11:38pm Sun 27 Jan 13

GlennW says...

Though way off topic, the delays outside Walthamstow Central on the Victoria Line that Tom Thumb refers to are due to the better performance of the new trains and the new signalling system which shows that as a two platform terminus Walthamstow Cenral is operating at maximum capacity. "Steping-up" of drivers (one waiting to take over at the other end as soon as the train arrives) might improve matters, but otherwise you're looking at a third platform or putting in a "sissors" crossover between the two siding tunnels north of the station, so that all incoming trains use the northbound platform, shunt into the sidings, clearing the platform for the next train and then reversing over the new crossover into the southbound (opposite) platform to pick passengers up and depart and certainly the cost of these last two solutions means that they ain't gonna happen!
Though way off topic, the delays outside Walthamstow Central on the Victoria Line that Tom Thumb refers to are due to the better performance of the new trains and the new signalling system which shows that as a two platform terminus Walthamstow Cenral is operating at maximum capacity. "Steping-up" of drivers (one waiting to take over at the other end as soon as the train arrives) might improve matters, but otherwise you're looking at a third platform or putting in a "sissors" crossover between the two siding tunnels north of the station, so that all incoming trains use the northbound platform, shunt into the sidings, clearing the platform for the next train and then reversing over the new crossover into the southbound (opposite) platform to pick passengers up and depart and certainly the cost of these last two solutions means that they ain't gonna happen! GlennW

9:31am Mon 28 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

GlennW wrote:
Though way off topic, the delays outside Walthamstow Central on the Victoria Line that Tom Thumb refers to are due to the better performance of the new trains and the new signalling system which shows that as a two platform terminus Walthamstow Cenral is operating at maximum capacity. "Steping-up" of drivers (one waiting to take over at the other end as soon as the train arrives) might improve matters, but otherwise you're looking at a third platform or putting in a "sissors" crossover between the two siding tunnels north of the station, so that all incoming trains use the northbound platform, shunt into the sidings, clearing the platform for the next train and then reversing over the new crossover into the southbound (opposite) platform to pick passengers up and depart and certainly the cost of these last two solutions means that they ain't gonna happen!
It's interesting to learn that misleading passenger announcements are due to "the better performance of the new trains"!
[quote][p][bold]GlennW[/bold] wrote: Though way off topic, the delays outside Walthamstow Central on the Victoria Line that Tom Thumb refers to are due to the better performance of the new trains and the new signalling system which shows that as a two platform terminus Walthamstow Cenral is operating at maximum capacity. "Steping-up" of drivers (one waiting to take over at the other end as soon as the train arrives) might improve matters, but otherwise you're looking at a third platform or putting in a "sissors" crossover between the two siding tunnels north of the station, so that all incoming trains use the northbound platform, shunt into the sidings, clearing the platform for the next train and then reversing over the new crossover into the southbound (opposite) platform to pick passengers up and depart and certainly the cost of these last two solutions means that they ain't gonna happen![/p][/quote]It's interesting to learn that misleading passenger announcements are due to "the better performance of the new trains"! Tom Thumb

9:46am Mon 28 Jan 13

Walthamster says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
The Family Housing Association should have faced a massive fine for not keeping to the contract and/or the housing development not 'signed off' for tenants to move into before the walkway was open. Ignoring planning rules seems to be a game developers are playing too regularly.
Yes, I've never understood why they got away with this. It was a contract. They broke it. How was the council's legal department unable to enforce it? Can anyone on this council do the job they're paid for?
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: The Family Housing Association should have faced a massive fine for not keeping to the contract and/or the housing development not 'signed off' for tenants to move into before the walkway was open. Ignoring planning rules seems to be a game developers are playing too regularly.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've never understood why they got away with this. It was a contract. They broke it. How was the council's legal department unable to enforce it? Can anyone on this council do the job they're paid for? Walthamster

10:02am Mon 28 Jan 13

GlennW says...

Tom Thumb might have also noticed that the automatic on-train anouncements also cannot cope with there being two platforms at Walthamstow Central as passengers are never told which side the doors will open on, unlike at other stations.
Tom Thumb might have also noticed that the automatic on-train anouncements also cannot cope with there being two platforms at Walthamstow Central as passengers are never told which side the doors will open on, unlike at other stations. GlennW

3:06pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Sam Hain says...

Since we seem to have drifted onto the subject of train announcements, the one on the Overground service as the train aproaches Walthamstow Queens Road always irritates me. Obviously no-one told the RADA-trained actress (or so she sounds) that the 'th' in Walthamstow is pronounced as in 'think' not as in 'that'! Whilst on the subject, can anyone tell me why the station is Queen's Road when it's quite a schlep away.
Since we seem to have drifted onto the subject of train announcements, the one on the Overground service as the train aproaches Walthamstow Queens Road always irritates me. Obviously no-one told the RADA-trained actress (or so she sounds) that the 'th' in Walthamstow is pronounced as in 'think' not as in 'that'! Whilst on the subject, can anyone tell me why the station is Queen's Road when it's quite a schlep away. Sam Hain

3:09pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Sam Hain says...

PS: Come to think of it, if one was going to be really authentic, I suppose the th' would be pronounced 'f'.
PS: Come to think of it, if one was going to be really authentic, I suppose the th' would be pronounced 'f'. Sam Hain

4:12pm Tue 29 Jan 13

myopinioncounts says...

GlennW says...
10:02am Mon 28 Jan 13Tom Thumb might have also noticed that the automatic on-train anouncements also cannot cope with there being two platforms at Walthamstow Central as passengers are never told which side the doors will open on, unlike at other stations."
Unlike at other stations when crowding on the train may require passengers to move towards the door they need or risk not getting off in time, at Walthamstow Central - THE TERMINUS - all remaining passengers will be leaving the train and it is not necessary to know unless you are one of those who must be first off!
GlennW says... 10:02am Mon 28 Jan 13Tom Thumb might have also noticed that the automatic on-train anouncements also cannot cope with there being two platforms at Walthamstow Central as passengers are never told which side the doors will open on, unlike at other stations." Unlike at other stations when crowding on the train may require passengers to move towards the door they need or risk not getting off in time, at Walthamstow Central - THE TERMINUS - all remaining passengers will be leaving the train and it is not necessary to know unless you are one of those who must be first off! myopinioncounts

7:55am Wed 30 Jan 13

E17006 says...

Good that this is finally happening. This saga has indeed been going on for years. The last estimated opening date was "in time for the Olympics"!

Presumably the Travelodge folks will insist this is open before their hotel opens up.
Good that this is finally happening. This saga has indeed been going on for years. The last estimated opening date was "in time for the Olympics"! Presumably the Travelodge folks will insist this is open before their hotel opens up. E17006

7:57am Wed 30 Jan 13

E17006 says...

One thing to note: there are two parts to this link: a new footbridge and exit from the station, and a new footpath through W Central car park. Sounds like only the former will be open in June.

Still, that on its own will shave a good few minutes off the interchange.
One thing to note: there are two parts to this link: a new footbridge and exit from the station, and a new footpath through W Central car park. Sounds like only the former will be open in June. Still, that on its own will shave a good few minutes off the interchange. E17006

7:58am Wed 30 Jan 13

E17006 says...

The biggest irony in this whole saga is that the people who'll benefit most from both links, and the residents of the Family Mosaic estate...!
The biggest irony in this whole saga is that the people who'll benefit most from both links, and the residents of the Family Mosaic estate...! E17006

7:59am Wed 30 Jan 13

E17006 says...

"and" should be "are".
"and" should be "are". E17006

6:38pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

E17006 wrote:
One thing to note: there are two parts to this link: a new footbridge and exit from the station, and a new footpath through W Central car park. Sounds like only the former will be open in June.

Still, that on its own will shave a good few minutes off the interchange.
The path to the car park already exists, although it is rather overgrown at present and used for flytipping. Access to the car park can be achieved by the simple expedient of removing part of the fencing. Probably that is too sophisticated for the planners. However frustrated locals have already ripped a hole, so if you want to get through you can.
[quote][p][bold]E17006[/bold] wrote: One thing to note: there are two parts to this link: a new footbridge and exit from the station, and a new footpath through W Central car park. Sounds like only the former will be open in June. Still, that on its own will shave a good few minutes off the interchange.[/p][/quote]The path to the car park already exists, although it is rather overgrown at present and used for flytipping. Access to the car park can be achieved by the simple expedient of removing part of the fencing. Probably that is too sophisticated for the planners. However frustrated locals have already ripped a hole, so if you want to get through you can. Tom Thumb

6:42pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Tom Thumb says...

Sam Hain wrote:
Since we seem to have drifted onto the subject of train announcements, the one on the Overground service as the train aproaches Walthamstow Queens Road always irritates me. Obviously no-one told the RADA-trained actress (or so she sounds) that the 'th' in Walthamstow is pronounced as in 'think' not as in 'that'! Whilst on the subject, can anyone tell me why the station is Queen's Road when it's quite a schlep away.
It's no distance at all, Sam. All it's needed is this footpath link. The way this saga has dragged on simply illustrates that walking and public transport are very low priorities for the local Labour council.

It probably doesn't help that Our Great Leader and his chum Clyde Loakes don't live in Walthamstow, and so have no personal experience of these kinds of issues.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: Since we seem to have drifted onto the subject of train announcements, the one on the Overground service as the train aproaches Walthamstow Queens Road always irritates me. Obviously no-one told the RADA-trained actress (or so she sounds) that the 'th' in Walthamstow is pronounced as in 'think' not as in 'that'! Whilst on the subject, can anyone tell me why the station is Queen's Road when it's quite a schlep away.[/p][/quote]It's no distance at all, Sam. All it's needed is this footpath link. The way this saga has dragged on simply illustrates that walking and public transport are very low priorities for the local Labour council. It probably doesn't help that Our Great Leader and his chum Clyde Loakes don't live in Walthamstow, and so have no personal experience of these kinds of issues. Tom Thumb

8:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13

GlennW says...

I think Sam Hain is referring to the distance between Queen's Road and the station that bears its name. Until 1968 the station was just plain "Walthamstow". It is assumed that British Railways chose the name "Walthamstow Queen's Road" to differentiate the station from Hoe Street station that was renamed Walthamstow Central when the Victoria Line opened the same year.

BGOLUG has long been suggesting that Walthamstow Queen's Road station would be better named "Walthamstow Market" or "Walthamstow Town Centre". We recently asked local councillors to support this and will request Council support at the next Transport Liaison Consultative Group meeting.
I think Sam Hain is referring to the distance between Queen's Road and the station that bears its name. Until 1968 the station was just plain "Walthamstow". It is assumed that British Railways chose the name "Walthamstow Queen's Road" to differentiate the station from Hoe Street station that was renamed Walthamstow Central when the Victoria Line opened the same year. BGOLUG has long been suggesting that Walthamstow Queen's Road station would be better named "Walthamstow Market" or "Walthamstow Town Centre". We recently asked local councillors to support this and will request Council support at the next Transport Liaison Consultative Group meeting. GlennW

9:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13

mdj says...

It's notable that Glenn Wallis and his colleagues have had brighter ideas for the operation of this railway than its management at any point over the last twenty years. For plugging away in such a patient and well-informed way all this time they deserve the highest praise.
It's notable that Glenn Wallis and his colleagues have had brighter ideas for the operation of this railway than its management at any point over the last twenty years. For plugging away in such a patient and well-informed way all this time they deserve the highest praise. mdj

1:36pm Thu 31 Jan 13

E17006 says...

Glenn - indeed thank you for all your tireless campaigning on this.

TfL are reluctant to change names though - so you'll need a very strong case for a change. The only one which has gone through was Shepherd's Bush Market. Even Edgware Rd - a much stronger case than Queen's Rd - remains stubbornly unchanged.

Walthamstow Market and Walthamstow Town Centre are both poor ideas. Walthamstow Central is closer than Queen's road to both market and town centre!

Walthamstow South doesn't really cut it, as the station isn't in the South. Perhaps the only reasonable name would be Walthamstow Edinburgh Road. But what a mouthful!

I can think of one name which would work in a year or two, and for which funding might be forthcoming - Walthamstow Morrissons. :-O
Glenn - indeed thank you for all your tireless campaigning on this. TfL are reluctant to change names though - so you'll need a very strong case for a change. The only one which has gone through was Shepherd's Bush Market. Even Edgware Rd - a much stronger case than Queen's Rd - remains stubbornly unchanged. Walthamstow Market and Walthamstow Town Centre are both poor ideas. Walthamstow Central is closer than Queen's road to both market and town centre! Walthamstow South doesn't really cut it, as the station isn't in the South. Perhaps the only reasonable name would be Walthamstow Edinburgh Road. But what a mouthful! I can think of one name which would work in a year or two, and for which funding might be forthcoming - Walthamstow Morrissons. :-O E17006

1:37pm Thu 31 Jan 13

E17006 says...

Tom Thumb wrote:
E17006 wrote:
One thing to note: there are two parts to this link: a new footbridge and exit from the station, and a new footpath through W Central car park. Sounds like only the former will be open in June.

Still, that on its own will shave a good few minutes off the interchange.
The path to the car park already exists, although it is rather overgrown at present and used for flytipping. Access to the car park can be achieved by the simple expedient of removing part of the fencing. Probably that is too sophisticated for the planners. However frustrated locals have already ripped a hole, so if you want to get through you can.
I'll have to try that hole out when Network Rail have finished their new bridge!
[quote][p][bold]Tom Thumb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E17006[/bold] wrote: One thing to note: there are two parts to this link: a new footbridge and exit from the station, and a new footpath through W Central car park. Sounds like only the former will be open in June. Still, that on its own will shave a good few minutes off the interchange.[/p][/quote]The path to the car park already exists, although it is rather overgrown at present and used for flytipping. Access to the car park can be achieved by the simple expedient of removing part of the fencing. Probably that is too sophisticated for the planners. However frustrated locals have already ripped a hole, so if you want to get through you can.[/p][/quote]I'll have to try that hole out when Network Rail have finished their new bridge! E17006

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