Gay couple refused treatment by Sapphire beauty salon in High Road, Woodford Green

Jhon Jairo Yepes Giraldo and Paul Creane outside the Sapphire beauty salon.

Jhon Jairo Yepes Giraldo and Paul Creane outside the Sapphire beauty salon.

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East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

A couple are going to the police claiming that a beauty salon refused to treat them together because they are gay.

Paul Creane, 44, and his civil partner Jhon Jairo Yepes Giraldo, 42, were bought a £180 treatment package by Mr Creane’s sister as a Christmas present.

Mr Creane, who works as a supervisor for a construction company, attempted to book the treatment at Sapphire beauty salon in High Road, Woodford Green.

He said: “I called them and said I wanted to make an appointment for my partner and me.

“A woman at the salon said ‘What’s her name? I said ‘his’ name is Jhon? Is that a problem?’

“She said ‘I will have to check. We don’t see men together.’

“I was shocked. I said ‘Are you telling me you don’t treat homosexuals?’ She said ‘Yes.’

“I said ‘You are breaking the law’ at which point she went off and checked again.

“She then came back and said she was just following company policy.”

A furious Mr Creane demanded to talk to the manager and was passed to a woman called Cassie.

He said: “I told her that I was appalled that her salon would not treat homosexuals, but she said I had got it wrong.

“So I said 'OK then, I would like to make an appointment’ but she just repeated the line that they did not treat men together.”

Mr Creane went to the salon to get his money back.

He said: “I walked in and this woman asked me if I had an appointment.

“I said ‘No, I’m the homosexual who was trying to make an appointment.’

“Her chin just hit the floor.”

“She said to me ‘We have apologised to you, and you can come for a treatment, but not with your husband. Bring a female friend instead.”

Mr Creane has reported the matter to gay rights group Stonewall as well as Groupon, the company his sister bought the beauty treatment from.

He added: “I will also be reporting the matter to the police. They have picked on the wrong gay man.

“It’s 2013 and you cannot act like this.”

His partner Jhon, who works as a hairdresser, added: “I have spoken to so many friends about this and none of them can believe it.

“What did they think at this place? That we were going to come in and start having sex? I have never experienced anything like this.”

The Guardian went to Sapphire and spoke to a woman who identified herself as Cassie.

She said: “I am not willing to talk about this. Please leave the premises.”

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1:48pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Good grief. That is absolutely ridiculous of the salon.
Good grief. That is absolutely ridiculous of the salon. Alan_1976
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2:17pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Wizza_b says...

‘Are you telling me you don’t treat homosexuals?’ She said ‘Yes.’

That is where it went wrong. That one word answers speaks a thousand words.
If they actually meant "Yes" then I think that it`s disgusting.
I do however, understand if 2 men aren`t allowed in at the same time, but if that was just an excuse to not sevice them then that again is terrible.
‘Are you telling me you don’t treat homosexuals?’ She said ‘Yes.’ That is where it went wrong. That one word answers speaks a thousand words. If they actually meant "Yes" then I think that it`s disgusting. I do however, understand if 2 men aren`t allowed in at the same time, but if that was just an excuse to not sevice them then that again is terrible. Wizza_b
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2:37pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Wizza_b wrote:
‘Are you telling me you don’t treat homosexuals?’ She said ‘Yes.’

That is where it went wrong. That one word answers speaks a thousand words.
If they actually meant "Yes" then I think that it`s disgusting.
I do however, understand if 2 men aren`t allowed in at the same time, but if that was just an excuse to not sevice them then that again is terrible.
I think there has been a general misunderstanding and am sure it could have been sorted out without Police and Lawyers getting involved.

Laws on such issues are changing all the time and it is quite hard to keep up with the changes.
[quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: ‘Are you telling me you don’t treat homosexuals?’ She said ‘Yes.’ That is where it went wrong. That one word answers speaks a thousand words. If they actually meant "Yes" then I think that it`s disgusting. I do however, understand if 2 men aren`t allowed in at the same time, but if that was just an excuse to not sevice them then that again is terrible.[/p][/quote]I think there has been a general misunderstanding and am sure it could have been sorted out without Police and Lawyers getting involved. Laws on such issues are changing all the time and it is quite hard to keep up with the changes. Cornbeefur
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2:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13

warpdog says...

How dreadful. I'm sorry these guys had to experience this.

I wonder if two women are allowed to be treated at the same time.

They should sue.
How dreadful. I'm sorry these guys had to experience this. I wonder if two women are allowed to be treated at the same time. They should sue. warpdog
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3:12pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

warpdog wrote:
How dreadful. I'm sorry these guys had to experience this.

I wonder if two women are allowed to be treated at the same time.

They should sue.
Typical compensation culture attitude to further alienate people from change. Why sue? Why not take them across the road and invite them to lunch to discuss the issues so that they can be resolved?
[quote][p][bold]warpdog[/bold] wrote: How dreadful. I'm sorry these guys had to experience this. I wonder if two women are allowed to be treated at the same time. They should sue.[/p][/quote]Typical compensation culture attitude to further alienate people from change. Why sue? Why not take them across the road and invite them to lunch to discuss the issues so that they can be resolved? Cornbeefur
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3:42pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
warpdog wrote:
How dreadful. I'm sorry these guys had to experience this.

I wonder if two women are allowed to be treated at the same time.

They should sue.
Typical compensation culture attitude to further alienate people from change. Why sue? Why not take them across the road and invite them to lunch to discuss the issues so that they can be resolved?
Troll has to troll. I see you are happy to ignore the law (which is quite clear) when it suits your trolling.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warpdog[/bold] wrote: How dreadful. I'm sorry these guys had to experience this. I wonder if two women are allowed to be treated at the same time. They should sue.[/p][/quote]Typical compensation culture attitude to further alienate people from change. Why sue? Why not take them across the road and invite them to lunch to discuss the issues so that they can be resolved?[/p][/quote]Troll has to troll. I see you are happy to ignore the law (which is quite clear) when it suits your trolling. Alan_1976
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3:52pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Wizza_b says...

I have to say, involving lawyers is excessive. I'm sure they can come to some agreement with the salon.
Perhaps a French manicure or a free bikini wax?
Desperately of course !
I have to say, involving lawyers is excessive. I'm sure they can come to some agreement with the salon. Perhaps a French manicure or a free bikini wax? Desperately of course ! Wizza_b
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4:06pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Wizza_b wrote:
I have to say, involving lawyers is excessive. I'm sure they can come to some agreement with the salon.
Perhaps a French manicure or a free bikini wax?
Desperately of course !
When you get people like Alan 'law is the law' no discretion allowed and 'hang them and flog them' mentality, is it any wonder that these issues are dragged through the courts with no real winners but diversity acceptance being the victim.

I think if the victims and staff had time to air the situation again, it could be managed a lot better.
[quote][p][bold]Wizza_b[/bold] wrote: I have to say, involving lawyers is excessive. I'm sure they can come to some agreement with the salon. Perhaps a French manicure or a free bikini wax? Desperately of course ![/p][/quote]When you get people like Alan 'law is the law' no discretion allowed and 'hang them and flog them' mentality, is it any wonder that these issues are dragged through the courts with no real winners but diversity acceptance being the victim. I think if the victims and staff had time to air the situation again, it could be managed a lot better. Cornbeefur
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4:11pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal.

This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.
There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal. This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity. Alan_1976
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4:20pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur you seem to believe it is acceptable for homophobic behaviour to be carried out without any police involvement when an actual law has been broken however have some good Samaritans prevent cars from crashing on a road and you would have the entire police force involved for a fictitious part of the road traffic act.
Cornbeefur you seem to believe it is acceptable for homophobic behaviour to be carried out without any police involvement when an actual law has been broken however have some good Samaritans prevent cars from crashing on a road and you would have the entire police force involved for a fictitious part of the road traffic act. Alan_1976
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4:25pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal.

This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.
The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made.

This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts.

They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal. This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.[/p][/quote]The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made. This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts. They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws. Cornbeefur
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4:33pm Tue 29 Jan 13

spcdust says...

It does seem like discrimination on the part of the salon-I'm sure if two women had wanted to be treated at the same time that would be no problem and why would there be? Whilst, to some, litigation and Police involvement seems heavy handed it's totally understandable and I would argue justified - sometimes one has to take a stand against ignorant attitudes and misplaced prejudices.
I for one would certainly not want to reward a business exhibiting such prejudicial views with my custom and will be inclined to suggest the same to all I know
It does seem like discrimination on the part of the salon-I'm sure if two women had wanted to be treated at the same time that would be no problem and why would there be? Whilst, to some, litigation and Police involvement seems heavy handed it's totally understandable and I would argue justified - sometimes one has to take a stand against ignorant attitudes and misplaced prejudices. I for one would certainly not want to reward a business exhibiting such prejudicial views with my custom and will be inclined to suggest the same to all I know spcdust
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5:00pm Tue 29 Jan 13

spcdust says...

Also, talk about a business shooting itself in the foot, instead of expanding its potential customer base it's completely alienated and therefore excluded itself from the Gay community. Me thinks someone at Sapphire needs to engage their brain sharpish and do some nifty damage limitation before this blows up even more in their face.
Also, talk about a business shooting itself in the foot, instead of expanding its potential customer base it's completely alienated and therefore excluded itself from the Gay community. Me thinks someone at Sapphire needs to engage their brain sharpish and do some nifty damage limitation before this blows up even more in their face. spcdust
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5:00pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Mia1984 says...

Omg I can't believe this!!! I am a regular customer at this salon and they have never refused anyone of any race, religion or sexuality! This is crazy I have seen gay people go there for there treatments and never witnessed the staff refusing them or treating them badly! This is ridiculous these two men must have misunderstood and probably blown it all out of proportion!
Omg I can't believe this!!! I am a regular customer at this salon and they have never refused anyone of any race, religion or sexuality! This is crazy I have seen gay people go there for there treatments and never witnessed the staff refusing them or treating them badly! This is ridiculous these two men must have misunderstood and probably blown it all out of proportion! Mia1984
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6:19pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Techno3 says...

I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding. If not, I don't think the salon is very logical. If they are willing to treat a single man, or a man who arrived with a woman, it seems weird to refuse to treat two men at the same time. I bet they have never turned away two women seeking treatment at the same time, or inquired into their relationships.

The relationship of two men wishing to spruce themselves up at the same time should have little bearing on the services being provided, surely? It's only a beauty treatment.
I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding. If not, I don't think the salon is very logical. If they are willing to treat a single man, or a man who arrived with a woman, it seems weird to refuse to treat two men at the same time. I bet they have never turned away two women seeking treatment at the same time, or inquired into their relationships. The relationship of two men wishing to spruce themselves up at the same time should have little bearing on the services being provided, surely? It's only a beauty treatment. Techno3
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6:24pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Techno3 wrote:
I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding. If not, I don't think the salon is very logical. If they are willing to treat a single man, or a man who arrived with a woman, it seems weird to refuse to treat two men at the same time. I bet they have never turned away two women seeking treatment at the same time, or inquired into their relationships.

The relationship of two men wishing to spruce themselves up at the same time should have little bearing on the services being provided, surely? It's only a beauty treatment.
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding. If not, I don't think the salon is very logical. If they are willing to treat a single man, or a man who arrived with a woman, it seems weird to refuse to treat two men at the same time. I bet they have never turned away two women seeking treatment at the same time, or inquired into their relationships. The relationship of two men wishing to spruce themselves up at the same time should have little bearing on the services being provided, surely? It's only a beauty treatment.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Alan_1976
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8:08pm Tue 29 Jan 13

fabster says...

Oh my god I find myself agreeing with the troll.... Can someone load a gun and shoot me in the head NOW please?

Taking the Manager out for coffee & sharing views on diversity is actually a rather noble way of demonstrating that 'we' are just like 'you'.

If this had happened to me and my husband, I'd like to think I could find it in me to extend an olive branch to see if the salon Manager would like to apologise, offer to donate her week's takings towards an anti-gay bullying charity like the Stand Up Foundation: www.standupfoundatio
n.com

I know of a lesbian couple who did sue, and did win. But somehow I think winning hearts & minds is just as important as winning legislation.

I will shut up now!
Oh my god I find myself agreeing with the troll.... Can someone load a gun and shoot me in the head NOW please? Taking the Manager out for coffee & sharing views on diversity is actually a rather noble way of demonstrating that 'we' are just like 'you'. If this had happened to me and my husband, I'd like to think I could find it in me to extend an olive branch to see if the salon Manager would like to apologise, offer to donate her week's takings towards an anti-gay bullying charity like the Stand Up Foundation: www.standupfoundatio n.com I know of a lesbian couple who did sue, and did win. But somehow I think winning hearts & minds is just as important as winning legislation. I will shut up now! fabster
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8:18pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

fabster wrote:
Oh my god I find myself agreeing with the troll.... Can someone load a gun and shoot me in the head NOW please?

Taking the Manager out for coffee & sharing views on diversity is actually a rather noble way of demonstrating that 'we' are just like 'you'.

If this had happened to me and my husband, I'd like to think I could find it in me to extend an olive branch to see if the salon Manager would like to apologise, offer to donate her week's takings towards an anti-gay bullying charity like the Stand Up Foundation: www.standupfoundatio

n.com

I know of a lesbian couple who did sue, and did win. But somehow I think winning hearts & minds is just as important as winning legislation.

I will shut up now!
Wouldn't worry fabster. He has so many opinions that conflict with each other, statistically it had to happen some day.
[quote][p][bold]fabster[/bold] wrote: Oh my god I find myself agreeing with the troll.... Can someone load a gun and shoot me in the head NOW please? Taking the Manager out for coffee & sharing views on diversity is actually a rather noble way of demonstrating that 'we' are just like 'you'. If this had happened to me and my husband, I'd like to think I could find it in me to extend an olive branch to see if the salon Manager would like to apologise, offer to donate her week's takings towards an anti-gay bullying charity like the Stand Up Foundation: www.standupfoundatio n.com I know of a lesbian couple who did sue, and did win. But somehow I think winning hearts & minds is just as important as winning legislation. I will shut up now![/p][/quote]Wouldn't worry fabster. He has so many opinions that conflict with each other, statistically it had to happen some day. Alan_1976
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10:52pm Tue 29 Jan 13

fgdfsdf says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal.

This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.
The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made.

This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts.

They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.
Cornbeefur, are you giving the police credit for doing some work. Such a novel piece of thinking from you. Wonders will never cease!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal. This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.[/p][/quote]The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made. This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts. They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, are you giving the police credit for doing some work. Such a novel piece of thinking from you. Wonders will never cease! fgdfsdf
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11:06pm Tue 29 Jan 13

fgdfsdf says...

fgdfsdf wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal.

This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.
The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made.

This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts.

They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.
Cornbeefur, are you giving the police credit for doing some work. Such a novel piece of thinking from you. Wonders will never cease!
Cornbeefur, so you can't say you have missed it, the link below shows successful police work with a blow by blow account of how they were working rather than sitting in your imaginary cafe.

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/wf
news/10191412.Teenag
er_jailed_for_gun_po
ssession/
[quote][p][bold]fgdfsdf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal. This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.[/p][/quote]The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made. This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts. They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, are you giving the police credit for doing some work. Such a novel piece of thinking from you. Wonders will never cease![/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, so you can't say you have missed it, the link below shows successful police work with a blow by blow account of how they were working rather than sitting in your imaginary cafe. http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/10191412.Teenag er_jailed_for_gun_po ssession/ fgdfsdf
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12:50am Wed 30 Jan 13

SXH says...

Most salons are Unisex now days, so they should not be refusing anyone. whatever there sexuality, they can obviously afford to turn money away
Most salons are Unisex now days, so they should not be refusing anyone. whatever there sexuality, they can obviously afford to turn money away SXH
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6:57am Wed 30 Jan 13

reallyreally says...

there must be more important things to report / debate than two men struggling to book beauty treatments!!
there must be more important things to report / debate than two men struggling to book beauty treatments!! reallyreally
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9:13am Wed 30 Jan 13

Bill Carr says...

fabster wrote:
Oh my god I find myself agreeing with the troll.... Can someone load a gun and shoot me in the head NOW please?

Taking the Manager out for coffee & sharing views on diversity is actually a rather noble way of demonstrating that 'we' are just like 'you'.

If this had happened to me and my husband, I'd like to think I could find it in me to extend an olive branch to see if the salon Manager would like to apologise, offer to donate her week's takings towards an anti-gay bullying charity like the Stand Up Foundation: www.standupfoundatio

n.com

I know of a lesbian couple who did sue, and did win. But somehow I think winning hearts & minds is just as important as winning legislation.

I will shut up now!
I can kind of see where you're coming from is it really up to the couple to educate the Manager? As far as I can see from the article the Manager had their chance and decided to discriminate based on the couple's sexuality. You can't put the onus on people to go around making their own case not to be discriminated against.
[quote][p][bold]fabster[/bold] wrote: Oh my god I find myself agreeing with the troll.... Can someone load a gun and shoot me in the head NOW please? Taking the Manager out for coffee & sharing views on diversity is actually a rather noble way of demonstrating that 'we' are just like 'you'. If this had happened to me and my husband, I'd like to think I could find it in me to extend an olive branch to see if the salon Manager would like to apologise, offer to donate her week's takings towards an anti-gay bullying charity like the Stand Up Foundation: www.standupfoundatio n.com I know of a lesbian couple who did sue, and did win. But somehow I think winning hearts & minds is just as important as winning legislation. I will shut up now![/p][/quote]I can kind of see where you're coming from is it really up to the couple to educate the Manager? As far as I can see from the article the Manager had their chance and decided to discriminate based on the couple's sexuality. You can't put the onus on people to go around making their own case not to be discriminated against. Bill Carr
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11:03am Wed 30 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

fgdfsdf wrote:
fgdfsdf wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal.

This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.
The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made.

This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts.

They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.
Cornbeefur, are you giving the police credit for doing some work. Such a novel piece of thinking from you. Wonders will never cease!
Cornbeefur, so you can't say you have missed it, the link below shows successful police work with a blow by blow account of how they were working rather than sitting in your imaginary cafe.

http://www.guardian-

series.co.uk/news/wf

news/10191412.Teenag

er_jailed_for_gun_po

ssession/
I have no gripes with the Police and most do a very good job.

However I do object to them sitting around on mass in several cafes in the area. They lack proper leadership, direction and supervision and this is an issue to be urgently addressed so that they are effectively deployed and the limited resources employed efficiently.

Where have all the PCSO's gone? The Blunket Bobbies brought in to Patrol?

They seem to have found vehicles to drive around in and three wheeler motorcycles to use.

Nice if you can get it at 25k a year without any powers of a Constable.
[quote][p][bold]fgdfsdf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fgdfsdf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: There is no discretion allowed. Failing to provide a service on the basis of a persons sexual orientations illegal. This is no different than the salon refusing to serve someone on the basis of ethnicity.[/p][/quote]The Police have powers of discretion and I am sure that it will be properly investigated to establish whether or not any Criminal Offences have been committed. They will take a detailed statement from all parties involved and probably refer the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service for analysis of the facts so that a decision is made. This is of course if, on reflection, the Victims wish to pursue the matter with the police. It may be that they may wish not to pursue it Criminally but through the Civil Courts. They may still, wish to educate the people involved in the Salon as to the equality Laws.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, are you giving the police credit for doing some work. Such a novel piece of thinking from you. Wonders will never cease![/p][/quote]Cornbeefur, so you can't say you have missed it, the link below shows successful police work with a blow by blow account of how they were working rather than sitting in your imaginary cafe. http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/10191412.Teenag er_jailed_for_gun_po ssession/[/p][/quote]I have no gripes with the Police and most do a very good job. However I do object to them sitting around on mass in several cafes in the area. They lack proper leadership, direction and supervision and this is an issue to be urgently addressed so that they are effectively deployed and the limited resources employed efficiently. Where have all the PCSO's gone? The Blunket Bobbies brought in to Patrol? They seem to have found vehicles to drive around in and three wheeler motorcycles to use. Nice if you can get it at 25k a year without any powers of a Constable. Cornbeefur
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12:40pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ClifftonX says...

But if it was a muslim owned social club, it would be okay to exclude women. Welcome to 21st. century Britain (although to be fair, the muslims would also exclude homosexuals, christians, jews, etc., etc.....)
But if it was a muslim owned social club, it would be okay to exclude women. Welcome to 21st. century Britain (although to be fair, the muslims would also exclude homosexuals, christians, jews, etc., etc.....) ClifftonX
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7:57pm Wed 30 Jan 13

stardust332 says...

This seems like such a big misunderstanding!! Theres lots of men who go there many of which im sure are homosexual! the salon has no such policy of not treating homosexuals at all!! i seriously think you guys need to find out both sides of the story before getting so worked up about what just one person has said!
This seems like such a big misunderstanding!! Theres lots of men who go there many of which im sure are homosexual! the salon has no such policy of not treating homosexuals at all!! i seriously think you guys need to find out both sides of the story before getting so worked up about what just one person has said! stardust332
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2:52pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Mia1984 says...

Well said stardust 322
Well said stardust 322 Mia1984
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3:08pm Thu 31 Jan 13

cat-lover says...

ClifftonX wrote:
But if it was a muslim owned social club, it would be okay to exclude women. Welcome to 21st. century Britain (although to be fair, the muslims would also exclude homosexuals, christians, jews, etc., etc.....)
Are you saying that the only male-only or female-only gyms etc in this country are owned by Muslims?
Maybe you'd like to check your facts before exposing your ignorance.
[quote][p][bold]ClifftonX[/bold] wrote: But if it was a muslim owned social club, it would be okay to exclude women. Welcome to 21st. century Britain (although to be fair, the muslims would also exclude homosexuals, christians, jews, etc., etc.....)[/p][/quote]Are you saying that the only male-only or female-only gyms etc in this country are owned by Muslims? Maybe you'd like to check your facts before exposing your ignorance. cat-lover
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1:40pm Fri 1 Feb 13

BruceStroganov says...

while i find it quite ludicrous that these gents were not treated together becuase of thier sexual orientation, surely a privately run establishment has the right to refuse whoever they want entry. its certainly not a matter for the police. Though its laughable that a business would refuse custom in these difficult economic times and if that is their policy then im sure they will be out of business soon.

there does not seem to be any form of 'customer service' these days, you pay more but get less......from TFL to tanning shops.
while i find it quite ludicrous that these gents were not treated together becuase of thier sexual orientation, surely a privately run establishment has the right to refuse whoever they want entry. its certainly not a matter for the police. Though its laughable that a business would refuse custom in these difficult economic times and if that is their policy then im sure they will be out of business soon. there does not seem to be any form of 'customer service' these days, you pay more but get less......from TFL to tanning shops. BruceStroganov
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8:25pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Ferdy54 says...

With a Groupon voucher it would only have cost about £20.

Why would blokes want to go to a beauty salon anyway? Its for women.
With a Groupon voucher it would only have cost about £20. Why would blokes want to go to a beauty salon anyway? Its for women. Ferdy54
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9:01am Sun 3 Feb 13

SpursSupporter1 says...

Ferdy54 wrote:
With a Groupon voucher it would only have cost about £20.

Why would blokes want to go to a beauty salon anyway? Its for women.
And why shouldnt guys go too a beauty salon? Get with the times for goodness sake
[quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: With a Groupon voucher it would only have cost about £20. Why would blokes want to go to a beauty salon anyway? Its for women.[/p][/quote]And why shouldnt guys go too a beauty salon? Get with the times for goodness sake SpursSupporter1
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1:25pm Sun 3 Feb 13

mdj says...

'i seriously think you guys need to find out both sides of the story before getting so worked up about what just one person has said!'

Seconded: because of the strange, random way this paper's web archive shows or hides stories, it's quite hard to find the vocal denial from the salon's proprietor that this alleged discrimination took place. The Guardian, to be fair, has sought out and shown both sides of the story, but when these are in different places many readers would not realise this.
Why can't the archive simply scroll backward day by day? Answering comments - and checking one's memory - would be a lot easier.
'i seriously think you guys need to find out both sides of the story before getting so worked up about what just one person has said!' Seconded: because of the strange, random way this paper's web archive shows or hides stories, it's quite hard to find the vocal denial from the salon's proprietor that this alleged discrimination took place. The Guardian, to be fair, has sought out and shown both sides of the story, but when these are in different places many readers would not realise this. Why can't the archive simply scroll backward day by day? Answering comments - and checking one's memory - would be a lot easier. mdj
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10:27pm Mon 4 Feb 13

OMPITA [UK] says...

Sorry guys - ha ha ha! Someone is having to take me - ho ho ho! - back to the - he he he! - beginning of this story.

Did it really all start from - ha ha he he! - some men wanting to - ho ho ho! - go for beauty treatment in a salon?


Does that really happen - ha ha ha?

If there’s any suing go to happen it will be me claiming for splitting my sides.

Men in beauty parlours? – come off it - I get taken in by most things, but not something so unbelievably silly as this.
Sorry guys - ha ha ha! Someone is having to take me - ho ho ho! - back to the - he he he! - beginning of this story. Did it really all start from - ha ha he he! - some men wanting to - ho ho ho! - go for beauty treatment in a salon? Does that really happen - ha ha ha? If there’s any suing go to happen it will be me claiming for splitting my sides. Men in beauty parlours? – come off it - I get taken in by most things, but not something so unbelievably silly as this. OMPITA [UK]
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9:21am Tue 5 Feb 13

myopinioncounts says...

Excuse my naivety, but what kind of 'treatment' did they book and why did they want it together?
Excuse my naivety, but what kind of 'treatment' did they book and why did they want it together? myopinioncounts
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9:39am Tue 5 Feb 13

OMPITA [UK] says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
Excuse my naivety, but what kind of 'treatment' did they book and why did they want it together?
Careful.

This might be 'Too Much Information' before we've finished our beakfasts.

Yuk!
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: Excuse my naivety, but what kind of 'treatment' did they book and why did they want it together?[/p][/quote]Careful. This might be 'Too Much Information' before we've finished our beakfasts. Yuk! OMPITA [UK]
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