Walthamstow mosque expansion plans given the go-ahead

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: The mosque with the half-built extension. The works were halted in 2011 but are now set to resume. EL34609 The mosque with the half-built extension. The works were halted in 2011 but are now set to resume. EL34609

Plans to expand a mosque building have been approved.

The International Muslim Movement (IMM) applied to add an extra floor to its two-storey building on the corner of East Avenue and St Mary Road in Walthamstow Village.

Plans for an extension at the site, to accommodate a cultural centre, were originally approved in 2008, but work was halted in 2011 when the council complained that it was higher than previously agreed.

It submitted a revised application and those proposals were approved by the authority's planning committee on Tuesday evening.

The new extension will include a library, reading rooms and accommodation for an imam, while facilities in the rest of the building will be re-arranged.

A council consultation resulted in 18 letters of objection, including from the Walthamstow Village Residents Association and the Walthamstow Spiritualist Church.

They criticised the plans over issues such as the bulk of the building, the impact on parking and expressed fears it could lower property prices in the area.

But council offices expressed doubt about the impact on parking, saying most users of the mosque travel there by foot.

A council report also said Walthamstow Village would benefit from the works.

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11:54am Thu 7 Feb 13

leyton_man says...

No impact on parking! Have they seen the traffic double parked outside the mosque on Lea Bridge Road? Another example of blatant corruption by the single-agenda Waltham forest council. If this was a house extension outside the planning consent there would be a notice to tear it down immediately.
I feel sorry for the people of the village, the one area that is actually pretty pleasant in a borough which is a bit on the grubby side.
Another nail in the coffin of gentrification. Hope the brown envelope was worth it.
No impact on parking! Have they seen the traffic double parked outside the mosque on Lea Bridge Road? Another example of blatant corruption by the single-agenda Waltham forest council. If this was a house extension outside the planning consent there would be a notice to tear it down immediately. I feel sorry for the people of the village, the one area that is actually pretty pleasant in a borough which is a bit on the grubby side. Another nail in the coffin of gentrification. Hope the brown envelope was worth it. leyton_man

12:18pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stickmanny says...

You have evidence to back these claims?

Would you care to post it?
You have evidence to back these claims? Would you care to post it? stickmanny

12:48pm Thu 7 Feb 13

leyton_man says...

The double parking, cycle past when it is kicking out time, very dangerous with cars parked in cycle lanes then opening doors without looking.
The planning permission, look at the story below getting into trouble about permissions and being fined.
Brown envelopes, a local councillor has recently being found out for putting through building work which is being dealt with internally.
The area being an oasis in a grippy environs: wander about, look for dumped rubbish and mattresses, doesnt the village get awards for looking nice?
Gentrification: there is a comment about house prices in the article, say goodbye to a few grand off your nearby houses.
That should do it for now.
The double parking, cycle past when it is kicking out time, very dangerous with cars parked in cycle lanes then opening doors without looking. The planning permission, look at the story below getting into trouble about permissions and being fined. Brown envelopes, a local councillor has recently being found out for putting through building work which is being dealt with internally. The area being an oasis in a grippy environs: wander about, look for dumped rubbish and mattresses, doesnt the village get awards for looking nice? Gentrification: there is a comment about house prices in the article, say goodbye to a few grand off your nearby houses. That should do it for now. leyton_man

2:44pm Thu 7 Feb 13

fed up man says...

waltham forest in the near future will be mosques on every street!!!!
waltham forest in the near future will be mosques on every street!!!! fed up man

6:07pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

Hi
Does anyone know the names of the Councillors that decided this. I live near the planned Mosque at the Waltham Oak along Lea Bridge Road? The village is supposed to be a conservation area. I don't believe they only received 18 letters of objection. Does anyone know if the Council put a site notice up to advise people of this new application, I bet they didn't.
Hi Does anyone know the names of the Councillors that decided this. I live near the planned Mosque at the Waltham Oak along Lea Bridge Road? The village is supposed to be a conservation area. I don't believe they only received 18 letters of objection. Does anyone know if the Council put a site notice up to advise people of this new application, I bet they didn't. Debbie2312

7:27pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Trevor 2 says...

1800 objections wouldn't have been enough for the corrupt LBWF adminstration!!
1800 objections wouldn't have been enough for the corrupt LBWF adminstration!! Trevor 2

8:00pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stickmanny says...

I'm still waiting for the evidence of corruption which I expect at least two of you have already taken to the police?

Or am I wearing Cranberry Tinted Spectacles?
I'm still waiting for the evidence of corruption which I expect at least two of you have already taken to the police? Or am I wearing Cranberry Tinted Spectacles? stickmanny

9:03pm Thu 7 Feb 13

leyton_man says...

I totally missed the story about the Waltham oak change of use, looks like my house sale went through just in the nick of time.
The police have never investigated Waltham forest council, even when they get 107% of the vote, why bother.
I totally missed the story about the Waltham oak change of use, looks like my house sale went through just in the nick of time. The police have never investigated Waltham forest council, even when they get 107% of the vote, why bother. leyton_man

10:27pm Thu 7 Feb 13

VESTRYPARK says...

The mosque has been there for a significant period of time so will not cause any major issues for residents. I would rather have loads of mosques where people devote time to educate themselves and act peacefully and sincerely to all as opposed to gambling and drinking establishments where people cause nuisance, use drugs and become incapable of controlling themselves.

I wish people would give things a chance and think wider picture instead of me me me!!!!
The mosque has been there for a significant period of time so will not cause any major issues for residents. I would rather have loads of mosques where people devote time to educate themselves and act peacefully and sincerely to all as opposed to gambling and drinking establishments where people cause nuisance, use drugs and become incapable of controlling themselves. I wish people would give things a chance and think wider picture instead of me me me!!!! VESTRYPARK

11:23pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

VESTRYPARK wrote:
The mosque has been there for a significant period of time so will not cause any major issues for residents. I would rather have loads of mosques where people devote time to educate themselves and act peacefully and sincerely to all as opposed to gambling and drinking establishments where people cause nuisance, use drugs and become incapable of controlling themselves.

I wish people would give things a chance and think wider picture instead of me me me!!!!
Yes but they are not all perfect according to this:

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2273171/Fayhan-al-Gh
amdi-raped-tortured-
daughter-5-death-esc
apes-light-sentence.
html#axzz2KAjwcKqF
[quote][p][bold]VESTRYPARK[/bold] wrote: The mosque has been there for a significant period of time so will not cause any major issues for residents. I would rather have loads of mosques where people devote time to educate themselves and act peacefully and sincerely to all as opposed to gambling and drinking establishments where people cause nuisance, use drugs and become incapable of controlling themselves. I wish people would give things a chance and think wider picture instead of me me me!!!![/p][/quote]Yes but they are not all perfect according to this: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2273171/Fayhan-al-Gh amdi-raped-tortured- daughter-5-death-esc apes-light-sentence. html#axzz2KAjwcKqF Cornbeefur

12:59am Fri 8 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

VESTRYPARK wrote:
The mosque has been there for a significant period of time so will not cause any major issues for residents. I would rather have loads of mosques where people devote time to educate themselves and act peacefully and sincerely to all as opposed to gambling and drinking establishments where people cause nuisance, use drugs and become incapable of controlling themselves.

I wish people would give things a chance and think wider picture instead of me me me!!!!
Unfortunately not all act peacefully and sincerely. I have a number of Muslim friends and they have all said how sad they feel that the Waltham Oak might become a Mosque. They may not drink, but they have all eaten there. Why single out one community. If you are going to build a cultural centre it should be more to do with community rather than religion and yes I do think about me and I am not ashamed of it because I live in this area too. The village is meant to be a conservation area and yes the Mosque has been there a long time, but allowing the extention will just make it look an eyesore I am afraid and will not sit well with its surroundings. It is very sad.
[quote][p][bold]VESTRYPARK[/bold] wrote: The mosque has been there for a significant period of time so will not cause any major issues for residents. I would rather have loads of mosques where people devote time to educate themselves and act peacefully and sincerely to all as opposed to gambling and drinking establishments where people cause nuisance, use drugs and become incapable of controlling themselves. I wish people would give things a chance and think wider picture instead of me me me!!!![/p][/quote]Unfortunately not all act peacefully and sincerely. I have a number of Muslim friends and they have all said how sad they feel that the Waltham Oak might become a Mosque. They may not drink, but they have all eaten there. Why single out one community. If you are going to build a cultural centre it should be more to do with community rather than religion and yes I do think about me and I am not ashamed of it because I live in this area too. The village is meant to be a conservation area and yes the Mosque has been there a long time, but allowing the extention will just make it look an eyesore I am afraid and will not sit well with its surroundings. It is very sad. Debbie2312

11:21am Fri 8 Feb 13

Sam Hain says...

My views on religion have been well-aired but I do think there is a tendency to over-react to the issue of mosques. There is a mosque on Brick Lane E1 which started life as a huguenot Christian church, became a Jewish synagogue and is now a Muslim mosque. Who knows what the future holds but I was delighted to see reports of an atheist 'church' which is packing 'em in. The 'God Squad' may lose their grip eventually. Let's hope so anyway. The one thing I do find objectionable is when some mosque congregations spill out onto the pavement for prayers. This should never, ever be allowed and I'm sure must contavene all sorts of laws. For the police to turn a blind eye in such instances in the name of community cohesion is misguided in the extreme. Look what it led to at Finsbury Park Mosque!
My views on religion have been well-aired but I do think there is a tendency to over-react to the issue of mosques. There is a mosque on Brick Lane E1 which started life as a huguenot Christian church, became a Jewish synagogue and is now a Muslim mosque. Who knows what the future holds but I was delighted to see reports of an atheist 'church' which is packing 'em in. The 'God Squad' may lose their grip eventually. Let's hope so anyway. The one thing I do find objectionable is when some mosque congregations spill out onto the pavement for prayers. This should never, ever be allowed and I'm sure must contavene all sorts of laws. For the police to turn a blind eye in such instances in the name of community cohesion is misguided in the extreme. Look what it led to at Finsbury Park Mosque! Sam Hain

3:33pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mdj says...

Wow, that looks sensitive: can the whole area now extend upwards in this nuanced fashion?
And is that the disabled entrance we see at the side?
Wow, that looks sensitive: can the whole area now extend upwards in this nuanced fashion? And is that the disabled entrance we see at the side? mdj

6:17pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

Sam Hain wrote:
My views on religion have been well-aired but I do think there is a tendency to over-react to the issue of mosques. There is a mosque on Brick Lane E1 which started life as a huguenot Christian church, became a Jewish synagogue and is now a Muslim mosque. Who knows what the future holds but I was delighted to see reports of an atheist 'church' which is packing 'em in. The 'God Squad' may lose their grip eventually. Let's hope so anyway. The one thing I do find objectionable is when some mosque congregations spill out onto the pavement for prayers. This should never, ever be allowed and I'm sure must contavene all sorts of laws. For the police to turn a blind eye in such instances in the name of community cohesion is misguided in the extreme. Look what it led to at Finsbury Park Mosque!
I agree with your comment and particularly to your reference to praying on the pavements. I wonder how the police would react when all shops decide to follow this practice and put tables and chairs right across the pavement to the edge of the kerb, even if it were only for a few hours at peak time one day each week. At the very least, they should be made to stay within a fenced area as do restaurants, cafes and pubs.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: My views on religion have been well-aired but I do think there is a tendency to over-react to the issue of mosques. There is a mosque on Brick Lane E1 which started life as a huguenot Christian church, became a Jewish synagogue and is now a Muslim mosque. Who knows what the future holds but I was delighted to see reports of an atheist 'church' which is packing 'em in. The 'God Squad' may lose their grip eventually. Let's hope so anyway. The one thing I do find objectionable is when some mosque congregations spill out onto the pavement for prayers. This should never, ever be allowed and I'm sure must contavene all sorts of laws. For the police to turn a blind eye in such instances in the name of community cohesion is misguided in the extreme. Look what it led to at Finsbury Park Mosque![/p][/quote]I agree with your comment and particularly to your reference to praying on the pavements. I wonder how the police would react when all shops decide to follow this practice and put tables and chairs right across the pavement to the edge of the kerb, even if it were only for a few hours at peak time one day each week. At the very least, they should be made to stay within a fenced area as do restaurants, cafes and pubs. Isaythat

11:20pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SXH says...

mdj wrote:
Wow, that looks sensitive: can the whole area now extend upwards in this nuanced fashion? And is that the disabled entrance we see at the side?
True, but i am sure anyone else would be refused.(out of character)

Everyone will be walking, but nothing about disabled parking
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: Wow, that looks sensitive: can the whole area now extend upwards in this nuanced fashion? And is that the disabled entrance we see at the side?[/p][/quote]True, but i am sure anyone else would be refused.(out of character) Everyone will be walking, but nothing about disabled parking SXH

11:30pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SXH says...

Isaythat wrote:
Sam Hain wrote: My views on religion have been well-aired but I do think there is a tendency to over-react to the issue of mosques. There is a mosque on Brick Lane E1 which started life as a huguenot Christian church, became a Jewish synagogue and is now a Muslim mosque. Who knows what the future holds but I was delighted to see reports of an atheist 'church' which is packing 'em in. The 'God Squad' may lose their grip eventually. Let's hope so anyway. The one thing I do find objectionable is when some mosque congregations spill out onto the pavement for prayers. This should never, ever be allowed and I'm sure must contavene all sorts of laws. For the police to turn a blind eye in such instances in the name of community cohesion is misguided in the extreme. Look what it led to at Finsbury Park Mosque!
I agree with your comment and particularly to your reference to praying on the pavements. I wonder how the police would react when all shops decide to follow this practice and put tables and chairs right across the pavement to the edge of the kerb, even if it were only for a few hours at peak time one day each week. At the very least, they should be made to stay within a fenced area as do restaurants, cafes and pubs.
Enforcements have been issuing fines to local business, just for displaying one board outside there shops.

Maybe with religion they will turn a blind eye.
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: My views on religion have been well-aired but I do think there is a tendency to over-react to the issue of mosques. There is a mosque on Brick Lane E1 which started life as a huguenot Christian church, became a Jewish synagogue and is now a Muslim mosque. Who knows what the future holds but I was delighted to see reports of an atheist 'church' which is packing 'em in. The 'God Squad' may lose their grip eventually. Let's hope so anyway. The one thing I do find objectionable is when some mosque congregations spill out onto the pavement for prayers. This should never, ever be allowed and I'm sure must contavene all sorts of laws. For the police to turn a blind eye in such instances in the name of community cohesion is misguided in the extreme. Look what it led to at Finsbury Park Mosque![/p][/quote]I agree with your comment and particularly to your reference to praying on the pavements. I wonder how the police would react when all shops decide to follow this practice and put tables and chairs right across the pavement to the edge of the kerb, even if it were only for a few hours at peak time one day each week. At the very least, they should be made to stay within a fenced area as do restaurants, cafes and pubs.[/p][/quote]Enforcements have been issuing fines to local business, just for displaying one board outside there shops. Maybe with religion they will turn a blind eye. SXH

12:46am Sat 9 Feb 13

VESTRYPARK says...

Can anyone categorically confirm people from this mosque have been praying on the pavement? As far as I am aware sometime there is an overflow of people and they pray outside but within the boundaries of the mosque. They do not get in the way of the public.

To make reference to the Finsbury Park mosque with this is absolutely ludicrous. At that mosque the actual sermons were being held outside by the cleric as he was not permitted inside. This mosque has not had any similar issues whatsoever. Anyone quoting the daily mail as reference point may as well try become a comedian.

@ Debbie, I understand your viewpoint but I do think that this project brings more positives than negatives. We are living in an age where tolerance, morality and respect is in decline. This mosque helps to tackle these issues.
Can anyone categorically confirm people from this mosque have been praying on the pavement? As far as I am aware sometime there is an overflow of people and they pray outside but within the boundaries of the mosque. They do not get in the way of the public. To make reference to the Finsbury Park mosque with this is absolutely ludicrous. At that mosque the actual sermons were being held outside by the cleric as he was not permitted inside. This mosque has not had any similar issues whatsoever. Anyone quoting the daily mail as reference point may as well try become a comedian. @ Debbie, I understand your viewpoint but I do think that this project brings more positives than negatives. We are living in an age where tolerance, morality and respect is in decline. This mosque helps to tackle these issues. VESTRYPARK

3:04am Sat 9 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

VESTRYPARK, I cannot confirm this re the above mosque, but I can confirm it re the temperary mosque in Chingford Mount Road. For this reason I have no evidence or reassurance to suggest it wouldn't happen anywhere in time. It is not the action of considerate men to block pavements. There should be equality and fairness for all, no matter what the business or religion or reason one is there. An even playing field please!
VESTRYPARK, I cannot confirm this re the above mosque, but I can confirm it re the temperary mosque in Chingford Mount Road. For this reason I have no evidence or reassurance to suggest it wouldn't happen anywhere in time. It is not the action of considerate men to block pavements. There should be equality and fairness for all, no matter what the business or religion or reason one is there. An even playing field please! Isaythat

9:54am Sat 9 Feb 13

VESTRYPARK says...

ISAYTHAT, whilst you may be absolutely correct about Chingford that is one in how many? Probably the one in LBWF. However, the point you make is fair and all should ensure this be avoided.

That said it is unfair to put everyone under the brush as you have found one mosque that over spills into the street (minority ) and others make reference to issues outside Finsbury Park mosque. Before making such judgements we all should get the basic facts correct. In this country there is recourse to make your voices heard and action taken if it against laws!!!
ISAYTHAT, whilst you may be absolutely correct about Chingford that is one in how many? Probably the one in LBWF. However, the point you make is fair and all should ensure this be avoided. That said it is unfair to put everyone under the brush as you have found one mosque that over spills into the street (minority ) and others make reference to issues outside Finsbury Park mosque. Before making such judgements we all should get the basic facts correct. In this country there is recourse to make your voices heard and action taken if it against laws!!! VESTRYPARK

10:02am Sat 9 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

VESTRYPARK, I know many people who have complained about the Chingford Mount Road prayer house overspill (myself included), but the visitors to same continue to do it, knowing they are inconveniencing every pedestrian who wishes to walk along the pavement. It is understandable that people are against such behaviour. You mention the law and action to stop such behaviour, but MPs and police know about it, yet still nothing is done. Can anyone tell me why this is allowed to continue?
VESTRYPARK, I know many people who have complained about the Chingford Mount Road prayer house overspill (myself included), but the visitors to same continue to do it, knowing they are inconveniencing every pedestrian who wishes to walk along the pavement. It is understandable that people are against such behaviour. You mention the law and action to stop such behaviour, but MPs and police know about it, yet still nothing is done. Can anyone tell me why this is allowed to continue? Isaythat

11:19am Sat 9 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

Hi,
In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few.
Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road.
Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.
Hi, In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few. Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road. Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it. Debbie2312

11:50am Sat 9 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

Does anyone know what the speaker was saying? The demonstration was peaceful, but the tone of the speaker wasn't! If they are trying to get a message across, it might be better if they speak in English for everyone to understand.
Does anyone know what the speaker was saying? The demonstration was peaceful, but the tone of the speaker wasn't! If they are trying to get a message across, it might be better if they speak in English for everyone to understand. Isaythat

3:09pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Isaythat wrote:
Does anyone know what the speaker was saying? The demonstration was peaceful, but the tone of the speaker wasn't! If they are trying to get a message across, it might be better if they speak in English for everyone to understand.
I in-putted the speech into my computer.

The speaker was saying
'Halal Chickens, two pound each or three for a fiver Mums'
[quote][p][bold]Isaythat[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know what the speaker was saying? The demonstration was peaceful, but the tone of the speaker wasn't! If they are trying to get a message across, it might be better if they speak in English for everyone to understand.[/p][/quote]I in-putted the speech into my computer. The speaker was saying 'Halal Chickens, two pound each or three for a fiver Mums' Cornbeefur

4:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

Cornbeefur, you never fail to amaze. When people do good things you turn it into a negative action and when something serious may be happening you turn it into a joke........you just can't get it right can you?
Cornbeefur, you never fail to amaze. When people do good things you turn it into a negative action and when something serious may be happening you turn it into a joke........you just can't get it right can you? Isaythat

6:25pm Sat 9 Feb 13

EWX says...

https://www.facebook
.com/pages/Largest-A
nnual-Milad-Un-Nabi-
Procession-in-The-UK
/299923556284?ref=ts
&_ft_=fbid.264451552
988

It will be from Walthamstow Town Hall - the largest procession to celebrate Mohammed's birthday in Europe. Coaches are running to Walthamstow from all over the UK.
https://www.facebook .com/pages/Largest-A nnual-Milad-Un-Nabi- Procession-in-The-UK /299923556284?ref=ts &_ft_=fbid.264451552 988 It will be from Walthamstow Town Hall - the largest procession to celebrate Mohammed's birthday in Europe. Coaches are running to Walthamstow from all over the UK. EWX

6:44pm Sat 9 Feb 13

ruby newbie says...

what is happening to WF........its so sad....
what is happening to WF........its so sad.... ruby newbie

9:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

There is a lot that goes on that don't get reported about so people think your alarmest at the thought of another Mosque. I am genuinely concerned how the council is shaping Waltham Forest, I don't know what else to say!
There is a lot that goes on that don't get reported about so people think your alarmest at the thought of another Mosque. I am genuinely concerned how the council is shaping Waltham Forest, I don't know what else to say! Debbie2312

10:51pm Sat 9 Feb 13

EWX says...

DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught
“The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism.
“Those who cannot kill such men have no faith.
“It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed.
“Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him.
“An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.”

Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/t
errorism-in-the-uk/9
859822/Preachers-of-
hate-on-British-TV-w
hat-they-said-that-b
roke-the-broadcastin
g-rules.html
DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught “The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism. “Those who cannot kill such men have no faith. “It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed. “Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him. “An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.” Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/t errorism-in-the-uk/9 859822/Preachers-of- hate-on-British-TV-w hat-they-said-that-b roke-the-broadcastin g-rules.html EWX

11:51pm Sat 9 Feb 13

SXH says...

EWX wrote:
DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught “The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism. “Those who cannot kill such men have no faith. “It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed. “Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him. “An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.” Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/t errorism-in-the-uk/9 859822/Preachers-of- hate-on-British-TV-w hat-they-said-that-b roke-the-broadcastin g-rules.html
There is cause for concern here, there seems to be allot of hatred, no one can leave the faith they are forced or be killed? and they can take the law in there own hands? This is UK.

"Faith as they want it to be is NOT a true faith"
[quote][p][bold]EWX[/bold] wrote: DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught “The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism. “Those who cannot kill such men have no faith. “It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed. “Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him. “An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.” Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/t errorism-in-the-uk/9 859822/Preachers-of- hate-on-British-TV-w hat-they-said-that-b roke-the-broadcastin g-rules.html[/p][/quote]There is cause for concern here, there seems to be allot of hatred, no one can leave the faith they are forced or be killed? and they can take the law in there own hands? This is UK. "Faith as they want it to be is NOT a true faith" SXH

1:24am Sun 10 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

EWX wrote:
DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught
“The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism.
“Those who cannot kill such men have no faith.
“It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed.
“Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him.
“An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.”

Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/news/uknews/t

errorism-in-the-uk/9

859822/Preachers-of-

hate-on-British-TV-w

hat-they-said-that-b

roke-the-broadcastin

g-rules.html
Thank you for that and I don't wish to sound alarmist, but seriously if they can preach openly like that who knows what really goes on behind closed doors if you get my drift. I am not saying all are like that, but how do we really know the good ones from the bad.
[quote][p][bold]EWX[/bold] wrote: DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught “The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism. “Those who cannot kill such men have no faith. “It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed. “Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him. “An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.” Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/t errorism-in-the-uk/9 859822/Preachers-of- hate-on-British-TV-w hat-they-said-that-b roke-the-broadcastin g-rules.html[/p][/quote]Thank you for that and I don't wish to sound alarmist, but seriously if they can preach openly like that who knows what really goes on behind closed doors if you get my drift. I am not saying all are like that, but how do we really know the good ones from the bad. Debbie2312

8:33am Sun 10 Feb 13

VESTRYPARK says...

Some of you highlight the fact of the procession referred to as Milad un Nabi which takes place every. Yes you are correct that streets become congested due to this. However, it is once yearly and a significant sum for police is paid by the organisers. It is a peaceful occasions and non-Muslims are invited.

If your concern is such about the inconvenience this causes where was you when the EDL attended LBWF. They caused significant delays to traffic and pedestrians. The number of police also compared to Milad un Nabi procession. Yet the first had prob no more than 400 and the second having closer to 10,000!!!

A lot of things are said but need to be taken into context. I am sure you have all said things which have been perceived differently to who it was intended. It's about time people started educating themselves rather than listening / reading to a biased media.

As a Muslim resident in LBWF and have been since birth all I want is for my neighbour to be happy and shown respect but please allow me the same privilege. Some of the comments here obviously indicate this may not be as easy as it should be!
Some of you highlight the fact of the procession referred to as Milad un Nabi which takes place every. Yes you are correct that streets become congested due to this. However, it is once yearly and a significant sum for police is paid by the organisers. It is a peaceful occasions and non-Muslims are invited. If your concern is such about the inconvenience this causes where was you when the EDL attended LBWF. They caused significant delays to traffic and pedestrians. The number of police also compared to Milad un Nabi procession. Yet the first had prob no more than 400 and the second having closer to 10,000!!! A lot of things are said but need to be taken into context. I am sure you have all said things which have been perceived differently to who it was intended. It's about time people started educating themselves rather than listening / reading to a biased media. As a Muslim resident in LBWF and have been since birth all I want is for my neighbour to be happy and shown respect but please allow me the same privilege. Some of the comments here obviously indicate this may not be as easy as it should be! VESTRYPARK

9:08am Sun 10 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

Debbie2312 wrote:
EWX wrote:
DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught
“The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism.
“Those who cannot kill such men have no faith.
“It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed.
“Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him.
“An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.”

Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/news/uknews/t


errorism-in-the-uk/9


859822/Preachers-of-


hate-on-British-TV-w


hat-they-said-that-b


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g-rules.html
Thank you for that and I don't wish to sound alarmist, but seriously if they can preach openly like that who knows what really goes on behind closed doors if you get my drift. I am not saying all are like that, but how do we really know the good ones from the bad.
Thank you for all the information here, even though it is worrying to read, it is better above ground than under. It is positive to know Ofcom are doing their job, but Government urgently need to ensure this type of propaganda is not allowed to continue.

Sadly, extreme behaviour and ruling by fear is normal for some cultures. On the other hand our culture is to 'request' rather than 'demand', so asking that every religion respect one another should be all that is necessary.

I do not want to get all religious, but The bible says 'The Meek Shall Inherit the Land' Psalm 37 Verse 11. I have not read the Koran, but the verses friends quote me are very far removed from the teachings above. These people are not recognised as true Muslims by True Muslims, who are peaceloving, kind people.
[quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EWX[/bold] wrote: DM digital Channel have just been chastised by Ofcom for teaching from Abdul Qadir Jilani of this mosque during a TV broadcast. He taught “The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism. “Those who cannot kill such men have no faith. “It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed. “Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him. “An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.” Its latest news tonight in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/t errorism-in-the-uk/9 859822/Preachers-of- hate-on-British-TV-w hat-they-said-that-b roke-the-broadcastin g-rules.html[/p][/quote]Thank you for that and I don't wish to sound alarmist, but seriously if they can preach openly like that who knows what really goes on behind closed doors if you get my drift. I am not saying all are like that, but how do we really know the good ones from the bad.[/p][/quote]Thank you for all the information here, even though it is worrying to read, it is better above ground than under. It is positive to know Ofcom are doing their job, but Government urgently need to ensure this type of propaganda is not allowed to continue. Sadly, extreme behaviour and ruling by fear is normal for some cultures. On the other hand our culture is to 'request' rather than 'demand', so asking that every religion respect one another should be all that is necessary. I do not want to get all religious, but The bible says 'The Meek Shall Inherit the Land' Psalm 37 Verse 11. I have not read the Koran, but the verses friends quote me are very far removed from the teachings above. These people are not recognised as true Muslims by True Muslims, who are peaceloving, kind people. Isaythat

8:25pm Sun 10 Feb 13

moanalone says...

Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.
Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village. moanalone

8:29pm Sun 10 Feb 13

moanalone says...

The Town Hall is next on the list !
The Town Hall is next on the list ! moanalone

8:39pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

moanalone wrote:
Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.
Since the Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearers who could not afford the village started to buy ramshackle dives in and off of leas Bridge Road of course.

They extended the Boundaries through their Cranberry Tinted Spectacles as on a clear day, they could see the St Mary's Tower and smell Baconsjams Sandwiches and Coffee Hasbeans.
[quote][p][bold]moanalone[/bold] wrote: Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]Since the Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearers who could not afford the village started to buy ramshackle dives in and off of leas Bridge Road of course. They extended the Boundaries through their Cranberry Tinted Spectacles as on a clear day, they could see the St Mary's Tower and smell Baconsjams Sandwiches and Coffee Hasbeans. Cornbeefur

9:56pm Sun 10 Feb 13

moanalone says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
moanalone wrote:
Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.
Since the Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearers who could not afford the village started to buy ramshackle dives in and off of leas Bridge Road of course.

They extended the Boundaries through their Cranberry Tinted Spectacles as on a clear day, they could see the St Mary's Tower and smell Baconsjams Sandwiches and Coffee Hasbeans.
Cornbeefur. Here here
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moanalone[/bold] wrote: Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]Since the Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearers who could not afford the village started to buy ramshackle dives in and off of leas Bridge Road of course. They extended the Boundaries through their Cranberry Tinted Spectacles as on a clear day, they could see the St Mary's Tower and smell Baconsjams Sandwiches and Coffee Hasbeans.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur. Here here moanalone

9:58pm Sun 10 Feb 13

moanalone says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
moanalone wrote:
Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.
Since the Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearers who could not afford the village started to buy ramshackle dives in and off of leas Bridge Road of course.

They extended the Boundaries through their Cranberry Tinted Spectacles as on a clear day, they could see the St Mary's Tower and smell Baconsjams Sandwiches and Coffee Hasbeans.
Cornbeefur. Or even, Hear Hear...
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moanalone[/bold] wrote: Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]Since the Cranberry Tinted Spectacle wearers who could not afford the village started to buy ramshackle dives in and off of leas Bridge Road of course. They extended the Boundaries through their Cranberry Tinted Spectacles as on a clear day, they could see the St Mary's Tower and smell Baconsjams Sandwiches and Coffee Hasbeans.[/p][/quote]Cornbeefur. Or even, Hear Hear... moanalone

11:03pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

moanalone wrote:
Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.
I must have missed something because I don't think I have read anywhere on these comments that the Chestnut Tree pub not Arms has anything to do with the Village. It's true the Village area has extended over the years, but I would in no way claim to be living in the Village. I am not sure why you have even made such a comment? I am not sure if you are referring to me because I mentioned the Waltham Oak formerly known as the Chestnut Tree, but it was only mentioned because there is a planning application on this building for a Mosque as well. Please tell where you got such a fanciful idea from as the Chestnut tree being thought of as part of the Village?
[quote][p][bold]moanalone[/bold] wrote: Seriously, since when has an old pub on Lea Bridge Road, bordering Leyton, which used to be called The Chestnut Arms ever become part of a very tiny vicinity of Walthamstow Village.[/p][/quote]I must have missed something because I don't think I have read anywhere on these comments that the Chestnut Tree pub not Arms has anything to do with the Village. It's true the Village area has extended over the years, but I would in no way claim to be living in the Village. I am not sure why you have even made such a comment? I am not sure if you are referring to me because I mentioned the Waltham Oak formerly known as the Chestnut Tree, but it was only mentioned because there is a planning application on this building for a Mosque as well. Please tell where you got such a fanciful idea from as the Chestnut tree being thought of as part of the Village? Debbie2312

6:40am Mon 11 Feb 13

moanalone says...

Apologies Debbie, but I recently heard of these boundaries being extended in order to glamourise these areas and marking up the value of such an area, which includes just behind The Chestnut Pub/ Waltham Oak. The village started in and around St Mary's Church,how does one extend a village

Village 1.
a small community or group of houses in a rural area, larger than a hamlet and usually smaller than a town, and sometimes (as in parts of the U.S.) incorporated as a municipality.
What with the shortage of housing, why does one need yet another mosque when homes are in more need. Which is why I made such a point about this.
Apologies Debbie, but I recently heard of these boundaries being extended in order to glamourise these areas and marking up the value of such an area, which includes just behind The Chestnut Pub/ Waltham Oak. The village started in and around St Mary's Church,how does one extend a village Village 1. a small community or group of houses in a rural area, larger than a hamlet and usually smaller than a town, and sometimes (as in parts of the U.S.) incorporated as a municipality. What with the shortage of housing, why does one need yet another mosque when homes are in more need. Which is why I made such a point about this. moanalone

2:43pm Mon 11 Feb 13

mdj says...

'but I recently heard of these boundaries being extended in order to glamourise these areas ..'

It's amazing how big Hoxton has become in the last fifteen years: I think it now even plants its flag on the Old St (sorry, 'Silicon') roundabout! I once saw a flat referred to by an estate agent as being in South Chelsea - it was in Battersea...
'but I recently heard of these boundaries being extended in order to glamourise these areas ..' It's amazing how big Hoxton has become in the last fifteen years: I think it now even plants its flag on the Old St (sorry, 'Silicon') roundabout! I once saw a flat referred to by an estate agent as being in South Chelsea - it was in Battersea... mdj

7:52pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

moanalone wrote:
Apologies Debbie, but I recently heard of these boundaries being extended in order to glamourise these areas and marking up the value of such an area, which includes just behind The Chestnut Pub/ Waltham Oak. The village started in and around St Mary's Church,how does one extend a village

Village 1.
a small community or group of houses in a rural area, larger than a hamlet and usually smaller than a town, and sometimes (as in parts of the U.S.) incorporated as a municipality.
What with the shortage of housing, why does one need yet another mosque when homes are in more need. Which is why I made such a point about this.
Hi,
I must admit I did think it was directed at me as I had mentioned The Waltham Oak and was feeling quite hurt so apology is greatfully accepted. I have lived in Walthamstow all my life and my Grandmother and Great Grandparents came to live here about 1923 so there is a lot of history. I have seen a few expanded boundary changes in my life time regarding the village I haven't heard anything about extended it down here though, that would just be silly. If they extend it too much it will take away the uniqueness of the Village itself. Anyway may I just remind anywone that wishes to object to the Waltham Oak becoming a Mosque - the deadline is the 20th February 2013 and quote Planning Ref Planning Application Number 2013/0057 The Waltham Oak Public House, 757 Lea Bridge Road, Walthamstow, London E17 9DZ. Email dcmail@walthamforest
.gov.uk
Thanks D
[quote][p][bold]moanalone[/bold] wrote: Apologies Debbie, but I recently heard of these boundaries being extended in order to glamourise these areas and marking up the value of such an area, which includes just behind The Chestnut Pub/ Waltham Oak. The village started in and around St Mary's Church,how does one extend a village Village 1. a small community or group of houses in a rural area, larger than a hamlet and usually smaller than a town, and sometimes (as in parts of the U.S.) incorporated as a municipality. What with the shortage of housing, why does one need yet another mosque when homes are in more need. Which is why I made such a point about this.[/p][/quote]Hi, I must admit I did think it was directed at me as I had mentioned The Waltham Oak and was feeling quite hurt so apology is greatfully accepted. I have lived in Walthamstow all my life and my Grandmother and Great Grandparents came to live here about 1923 so there is a lot of history. I have seen a few expanded boundary changes in my life time regarding the village I haven't heard anything about extended it down here though, that would just be silly. If they extend it too much it will take away the uniqueness of the Village itself. Anyway may I just remind anywone that wishes to object to the Waltham Oak becoming a Mosque - the deadline is the 20th February 2013 and quote Planning Ref Planning Application Number 2013/0057 The Waltham Oak Public House, 757 Lea Bridge Road, Walthamstow, London E17 9DZ. Email dcmail@walthamforest .gov.uk Thanks D Debbie2312

10:11pm Mon 11 Feb 13

fgdfsdf says...

Personally, i am more concerned at the stability of the building. It was obviously originally designed as a 2 storey structure. I hope they have underpinned the foundations to take the exta load otherwise they will end up praying on the street!
Personally, i am more concerned at the stability of the building. It was obviously originally designed as a 2 storey structure. I hope they have underpinned the foundations to take the exta load otherwise they will end up praying on the street! fgdfsdf

12:48pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Wanstead High St Developer says...

See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?
See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views? Wanstead High St Developer

11:40pm Tue 12 Feb 13

mdj says...

'See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?'

Suspect this is a wind-up; don't be drawn.
'See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?' Suspect this is a wind-up; don't be drawn. mdj

9:02am Wed 13 Feb 13

Isaythat says...

mdj wrote:
'See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?'

Suspect this is a wind-up; don't be drawn.
yes, I thought that too.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?' Suspect this is a wind-up; don't be drawn.[/p][/quote]yes, I thought that too. Isaythat

10:00am Wed 13 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Wanstead High St Developer wrote:
See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?
My view is that stories like this are worrying:

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2277437/Saudi-celebr
ity-cleric-raped-mur
dered-daughter-claim
ed-injured-doubted-v
irgin.html
[quote][p][bold]Wanstead High St Developer[/bold] wrote: See the Wanstead High Street mosque & developer story. What are your views?[/p][/quote]My view is that stories like this are worrying: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2277437/Saudi-celebr ity-cleric-raped-mur dered-daughter-claim ed-injured-doubted-v irgin.html Cornbeefur

11:10am Wed 13 Feb 13

I.Ride says...

There taking over, its not our fault the goverment lets them... All we can do is have groups like the EDL who get a bad rep straight away because the government have know balls to understand the group and Muslims are scared... Say NO.
There taking over, its not our fault the goverment lets them... All we can do is have groups like the EDL who get a bad rep straight away because the government have know balls to understand the group and Muslims are scared... Say NO. I.Ride

2:34pm Wed 13 Feb 13

MonFar says...

VESTRYPARK wrote:
Some of you highlight the fact of the procession referred to as Milad un Nabi which takes place every. Yes you are correct that streets become congested due to this. However, it is once yearly and a significant sum for police is paid by the organisers. It is a peaceful occasions and non-Muslims are invited.

If your concern is such about the inconvenience this causes where was you when the EDL attended LBWF. They caused significant delays to traffic and pedestrians. The number of police also compared to Milad un Nabi procession. Yet the first had prob no more than 400 and the second having closer to 10,000!!!

A lot of things are said but need to be taken into context. I am sure you have all said things which have been perceived differently to who it was intended. It's about time people started educating themselves rather than listening / reading to a biased media.

As a Muslim resident in LBWF and have been since birth all I want is for my neighbour to be happy and shown respect but please allow me the same privilege. Some of the comments here obviously indicate this may not be as easy as it should be!
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]VESTRYPARK[/bold] wrote: Some of you highlight the fact of the procession referred to as Milad un Nabi which takes place every. Yes you are correct that streets become congested due to this. However, it is once yearly and a significant sum for police is paid by the organisers. It is a peaceful occasions and non-Muslims are invited. If your concern is such about the inconvenience this causes where was you when the EDL attended LBWF. They caused significant delays to traffic and pedestrians. The number of police also compared to Milad un Nabi procession. Yet the first had prob no more than 400 and the second having closer to 10,000!!! A lot of things are said but need to be taken into context. I am sure you have all said things which have been perceived differently to who it was intended. It's about time people started educating themselves rather than listening / reading to a biased media. As a Muslim resident in LBWF and have been since birth all I want is for my neighbour to be happy and shown respect but please allow me the same privilege. Some of the comments here obviously indicate this may not be as easy as it should be![/p][/quote]Well said. MonFar

2:37pm Wed 13 Feb 13

MonFar says...

Debbie2312 wrote:
Hi,
In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few.
Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road.
Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.
There are thousands of Residents who use the same roads, pay their taxes (in addition to donating money towards paying for the police on the day).

Do you sympathize for the EDL nut jobs who are not bothered about the local community and continuously attempt to ruin our streets with their hatred and ignorance?
[quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: Hi, In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few. Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road. Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.[/p][/quote]There are thousands of Residents who use the same roads, pay their taxes (in addition to donating money towards paying for the police on the day). Do you sympathize for the EDL nut jobs who are not bothered about the local community and continuously attempt to ruin our streets with their hatred and ignorance? MonFar

10:28pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
MonFar wrote:
Debbie2312 wrote:
Hi,
In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few.
Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road.
Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.
There are thousands of Residents who use the same roads, pay their taxes (in addition to donating money towards paying for the police on the day).

Do you sympathize for the EDL nut jobs who are not bothered about the local community and continuously attempt to ruin our streets with their hatred and ignorance?
Can you please give your views on this please? Do you condemn it?


http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2277437/Saudi-celebr


ity-cleric-raped-mur


dered-daughter-claim


ed-injured-doubted-v


irgin.html
I am not sure where you are going with this, but I don't think I like it. First of all I can make no comment on the EDL as it is a subject I know very little about I am affraid, but I am sure I remember reading somewhere that when they tried to visit Walthamstow there was a mere couple of hundred EDL supporters and about 3000 anti EDL supporters that is as far as I can remember.As my remarks were not faith orientated, but more to do with concern for the local area and all it's residents I fail to see why you even speak of the EDL and then you added the link from the Daily Mail of the poor child that died. There are very bad people in every faith and culture so I really don't know why this link was in your response unless you were trying to invoke a negative response about the Muslim faith. I am not really sure why you would even want to do that?
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MonFar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: Hi, In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few. Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road. Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.[/p][/quote]There are thousands of Residents who use the same roads, pay their taxes (in addition to donating money towards paying for the police on the day). Do you sympathize for the EDL nut jobs who are not bothered about the local community and continuously attempt to ruin our streets with their hatred and ignorance?[/p][/quote]Can you please give your views on this please? Do you condemn it? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2277437/Saudi-celebr ity-cleric-raped-mur dered-daughter-claim ed-injured-doubted-v irgin.html[/p][/quote]I am not sure where you are going with this, but I don't think I like it. First of all I can make no comment on the EDL as it is a subject I know very little about I am affraid, but I am sure I remember reading somewhere that when they tried to visit Walthamstow there was a mere couple of hundred EDL supporters and about 3000 anti EDL supporters that is as far as I can remember.As my remarks were not faith orientated, but more to do with concern for the local area and all it's residents I fail to see why you even speak of the EDL and then you added the link from the Daily Mail of the poor child that died. There are very bad people in every faith and culture so I really don't know why this link was in your response unless you were trying to invoke a negative response about the Muslim faith. I am not really sure why you would even want to do that? Debbie2312

12:12am Thu 14 Feb 13

Cornbeefur says...

Debbie2312 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
MonFar wrote:
Debbie2312 wrote:
Hi,
In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few.
Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road.
Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.
There are thousands of Residents who use the same roads, pay their taxes (in addition to donating money towards paying for the police on the day).

Do you sympathize for the EDL nut jobs who are not bothered about the local community and continuously attempt to ruin our streets with their hatred and ignorance?
Can you please give your views on this please? Do you condemn it?


http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/news/article-



2277437/Saudi-celebr



ity-cleric-raped-mur



dered-daughter-claim



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I am not sure where you are going with this, but I don't think I like it. First of all I can make no comment on the EDL as it is a subject I know very little about I am affraid, but I am sure I remember reading somewhere that when they tried to visit Walthamstow there was a mere couple of hundred EDL supporters and about 3000 anti EDL supporters that is as far as I can remember.As my remarks were not faith orientated, but more to do with concern for the local area and all it's residents I fail to see why you even speak of the EDL and then you added the link from the Daily Mail of the poor child that died. There are very bad people in every faith and culture so I really don't know why this link was in your response unless you were trying to invoke a negative response about the Muslim faith. I am not really sure why you would even want to do that?
My comment was meant to ask Monfar not you Debbie. sorry!
[quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MonFar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Debbie2312[/bold] wrote: Hi, In recent weeks we have had planning permission granted for the extention of this Mosque, a tempory Mosque on leyton high road (5 minutes up the road from me and a planning application to change the Waltham Oak pub on Lea Bridgein in to a Mosque has been submitted to name but a few. Please go on Youtube and put in the search "Milad-Un-Nabi 2013 Lea Bridge Road. This happens every year, but there is a news blackout so no one hears about it. I understand there will be a similar affair tomorrow around Forest Road/Chingford Road. Think of the police resources and the traffic nightmares that happens every year and no one knows about it but the residents living on their route that have to put up with it.[/p][/quote]There are thousands of Residents who use the same roads, pay their taxes (in addition to donating money towards paying for the police on the day). Do you sympathize for the EDL nut jobs who are not bothered about the local community and continuously attempt to ruin our streets with their hatred and ignorance?[/p][/quote]Can you please give your views on this please? Do you condemn it? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2277437/Saudi-celebr ity-cleric-raped-mur dered-daughter-claim ed-injured-doubted-v irgin.html[/p][/quote]I am not sure where you are going with this, but I don't think I like it. First of all I can make no comment on the EDL as it is a subject I know very little about I am affraid, but I am sure I remember reading somewhere that when they tried to visit Walthamstow there was a mere couple of hundred EDL supporters and about 3000 anti EDL supporters that is as far as I can remember.As my remarks were not faith orientated, but more to do with concern for the local area and all it's residents I fail to see why you even speak of the EDL and then you added the link from the Daily Mail of the poor child that died. There are very bad people in every faith and culture so I really don't know why this link was in your response unless you were trying to invoke a negative response about the Muslim faith. I am not really sure why you would even want to do that?[/p][/quote]My comment was meant to ask Monfar not you Debbie. sorry! Cornbeefur

12:20am Thu 14 Feb 13

Debbie2312 says...

ok thanks, I was a bit confused.
ok thanks, I was a bit confused. Debbie2312

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