Iain Duncan Smith: Petition is nothing more than a stunt

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Iain Duncan Smith: Petition is nothing more than a stunt Iain Duncan Smith: Petition is nothing more than a stunt

Iain Duncan Smith has described a petition calling on him to live on £53 a week as a 'complete stunt' and says he already knows what it is like to live on the breadline.

The online petition was started when the Woodford MP was challenged on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme over sweeping changes to the benefits system.

In response to a question by David Bennett, a market stall trader and working benefits claimant, who asked the Work and Pensions Secretary if he could live on £53 a week, Mr Duncan Smith said: "If I had to I would."

The petition has been signed by approaching 125,000 people, overshadowing a day of government briefing on welfare reform.

But the Work and Pensions Secretary on Tuesday dismissed the petition.

He said: "This is a complete stunt which distracts attention from the welfare reforms which are much more important and which I have been working hard to get done.

"I have been unemployed twice in my life so I have already done this (lived on the equivalent of £53 a week).

"I know what it is like to live on the breadline."

The petition on website change.org was set up on Monday and calls on Mr Duncan Smith to live on the budget for at least one year.

It says: "This would help realise the Conservative party’s current mantra that ‘We are all in this together.’"

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3:01pm Tue 2 Apr 13

anothere17reader says...

A "complete stunt"? If I read that correctly, it takes one to know one.
A "complete stunt"? If I read that correctly, it takes one to know one. anothere17reader

3:12pm Tue 2 Apr 13

setrac says...

IDS could easily get by on £53 a week. His wife's loaded.
IDS could easily get by on £53 a week. His wife's loaded. setrac

3:56pm Tue 2 Apr 13

E-ten trifles says...

He is a complete stunt...I signed it along with 250,000 others
He is a complete stunt...I signed it along with 250,000 others E-ten trifles

4:02pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Oh Joy says...

IDS wont do it, and if he did he would cheat his way through it....he is an MP after all.

Our overlords need a slice of reality, why should they get £100k a year when they continually fail us? I really really hope there is a revolution...not a riot, a revolution!!!!
IDS wont do it, and if he did he would cheat his way through it....he is an MP after all. Our overlords need a slice of reality, why should they get £100k a year when they continually fail us? I really really hope there is a revolution...not a riot, a revolution!!!! Oh Joy

4:07pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

anothere17reader wrote:
A "complete stunt"? If I read that correctly, it takes one to know one.
Yes you were right.
[quote][p][bold]anothere17reader[/bold] wrote: A "complete stunt"? If I read that correctly, it takes one to know one.[/p][/quote]Yes you were right. Cornbeefur

4:14pm Tue 2 Apr 13

vrooom says...

I signed it because I want him to show us all how it is done. Remember, this guy failed at being leader of the Conservative and yet now he is making decisions that will affect millions of people.

We live in a society where our politicians are heavily subsidised by US - the taxpayer - but they have managed to pull the ultimate con-trick by turning society against those who need help.

If the bedroom tax is really about getting people to downsize, then make sure that there are enough council houses available for such a scheme.

Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage.

When will people wake up and realise that we are being conned by these idiots?
I signed it because I want him to show us all how it is done. Remember, this guy failed at being leader of the Conservative and yet now he is making decisions that will affect millions of people. We live in a society where our politicians are heavily subsidised by US - the taxpayer - but they have managed to pull the ultimate con-trick by turning society against those who need help. If the bedroom tax is really about getting people to downsize, then make sure that there are enough council houses available for such a scheme. Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage. When will people wake up and realise that we are being conned by these idiots? vrooom

4:16pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

'Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage.

When will people wake up and realise that we are being conned by these idiots?'

Excellent observation Sir!
'Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage. When will people wake up and realise that we are being conned by these idiots?' Excellent observation Sir! Cornbeefur

4:40pm Tue 2 Apr 13

bargoed boy says...

anothere17reader wrote:
A "complete stunt"? If I read that correctly, it takes one to know one.
that means he will forever be known the man who cant keep his word, and not be trusted, it is official he is a "stunt"
[quote][p][bold]anothere17reader[/bold] wrote: A "complete stunt"? If I read that correctly, it takes one to know one.[/p][/quote]that means he will forever be known the man who cant keep his word, and not be trusted, it is official he is a "stunt" bargoed boy

4:51pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Chingfordsfinest says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
'Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage. When will people wake up and realise that we are being conned by these idiots?' Excellent observation Sir!
So what if Bob Crow and Frank Dobson live in subsidised rental accomodation. Why should they or anyone else be forced to pay private rent to pay someone else's mortage. The fact is that there should be more council housing available to people who actually go to work and pay their way.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: 'Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage. When will people wake up and realise that we are being conned by these idiots?' Excellent observation Sir![/p][/quote]So what if Bob Crow and Frank Dobson live in subsidised rental accomodation. Why should they or anyone else be forced to pay private rent to pay someone else's mortage. The fact is that there should be more council housing available to people who actually go to work and pay their way. Chingfordsfinest

5:21pm Tue 2 Apr 13

steve shires says...

IDS, a typical 'you don't need to use the name, I'm so famous just my initials will do', ex-PM wannabe who's never gonna be. Let him take the Matthew Parris test and try the breadline for a fortnight. Even Matthew had to borrow to manage it.
IDS, a typical 'you don't need to use the name, I'm so famous just my initials will do', ex-PM wannabe who's never gonna be. Let him take the Matthew Parris test and try the breadline for a fortnight. Even Matthew had to borrow to manage it. steve shires

5:46pm Tue 2 Apr 13

E-ten trifles says...

Brilliant 270,000 signatures so far. It will never happen but a good way to highlight these vicious cuts by a government that gave themselves a £40,000 tax cut while making people destitute.
Brilliant 270,000 signatures so far. It will never happen but a good way to highlight these vicious cuts by a government that gave themselves a £40,000 tax cut while making people destitute. E-ten trifles

5:50pm Tue 2 Apr 13

E-ten trifles says...

http://www.jrf.org.u
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-benefits-uprating
http://www.jrf.org.u k/blog/2013/03/child ren-first-casualties -benefits-uprating E-ten trifles

6:31pm Tue 2 Apr 13

mdj says...

'So what if Bob Crow and Frank Dobson live in subsidised rental accomodation..?'

Because they're both very prosperous compared with 99% of the population. Each is keeping a homeless family out of a home. The Labour Party and unions will never win back peoples' respect until their spokesmen lead from the front. David Miliband is now earning more than Obama and tacitly promoting himself as a selfless, self-effacing party loyalist, while effectively employed by the US State Department.
'So what if Bob Crow and Frank Dobson live in subsidised rental accomodation..?' Because they're both very prosperous compared with 99% of the population. Each is keeping a homeless family out of a home. The Labour Party and unions will never win back peoples' respect until their spokesmen lead from the front. David Miliband is now earning more than Obama and tacitly promoting himself as a selfless, self-effacing party loyalist, while effectively employed by the US State Department. mdj

6:39pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Ferdy54 says...

I'm certainly not going to sign this ridiculous thing.

If the previous lot hadn't ruined the economy, all this wouldn't be needed. The most people complaining are the ones that have now found they no longer have their usual supply of money on tap.

If people, like on here, can do better, then become an MP. You'll soon find how difficult it is to do a job like IDS does.
I'm certainly not going to sign this ridiculous thing. If the previous lot hadn't ruined the economy, all this wouldn't be needed. The most people complaining are the ones that have now found they no longer have their usual supply of money on tap. If people, like on here, can do better, then become an MP. You'll soon find how difficult it is to do a job like IDS does. Ferdy54

7:22pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Steven Alker says...

I signed the petition and perhaps I am a little unusual as I have been a conservative party activist and campaigner for over 40 years.

The Bedroom Tax and the DLA changes are a vicious attack against the disabled, the sick, the poor and those unable to defend themselves.

I won't be associated with this pernicious policy, so I have resigned from the party. Yes, I'd like to see IDS survive a month on £53 and no the petition wasn't just a publicity stunt.
I signed the petition and perhaps I am a little unusual as I have been a conservative party activist and campaigner for over 40 years. The Bedroom Tax and the DLA changes are a vicious attack against the disabled, the sick, the poor and those unable to defend themselves. I won't be associated with this pernicious policy, so I have resigned from the party. Yes, I'd like to see IDS survive a month on £53 and no the petition wasn't just a publicity stunt. Steven Alker

8:09pm Tue 2 Apr 13

rogerh3 says...

"Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage."

Council housing isn't subsidised. It actually earns the government a profit - the Treasury received over £500m from it in 2010/11.
"Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage." Council housing isn't subsidised. It actually earns the government a profit - the Treasury received over £500m from it in 2010/11. rogerh3

8:30pm Tue 2 Apr 13

mistyeyed1 says...

Today I saw a young man aged between 25-30 raking through a black rubbish bag and picking bits of food out and eating it. I went to him gave him £5 and told him to go and buy some food. He looked at me with tears in his eyes shook my hand and said thank you. He didn't smell of drink, he wasn't drugged up he was homeless and starving, Oh and he was English. I wonder if IDS would have walked by on the other side of the road or helped him? This government is taking things too far, yes we want unnecessary benefits cut such as child benefit for more than 2 children ( have as many as you want providing you can afford them) otherwise use contraception. Stop job losses, exactly why did you give the Air Sea and Rescue to an American firm instead of a British one? If you didn't give so much money which is totally wasted to Africa and India you could have saved the jobs of hundreds of disabled people at Remploy. You are all a waste of space come on UKIP get as many people as possible to stand in local elections. I would stand for you but i am too old unfortunately.
Today I saw a young man aged between 25-30 raking through a black rubbish bag and picking bits of food out and eating it. I went to him gave him £5 and told him to go and buy some food. He looked at me with tears in his eyes shook my hand and said thank you. He didn't smell of drink, he wasn't drugged up he was homeless and starving, Oh and he was English. I wonder if IDS would have walked by on the other side of the road or helped him? This government is taking things too far, yes we want unnecessary benefits cut such as child benefit for more than 2 children ( have as many as you want providing you can afford them) otherwise use contraception. Stop job losses, exactly why did you give the Air Sea and Rescue to an American firm instead of a British one? If you didn't give so much money which is totally wasted to Africa and India you could have saved the jobs of hundreds of disabled people at Remploy. You are all a waste of space come on UKIP get as many people as possible to stand in local elections. I would stand for you but i am too old unfortunately. mistyeyed1

9:32pm Tue 2 Apr 13

spaf1733 says...

"I have been unemployed twice in my life so I have already done this. I know what it is like to live on the breadline."

Well Dunc, old boy, why not come out and prove 300,000 people wrong. Should be a doddle given your past experience. There's nothing I'd like more than to prove such a huge number have got it wrong. Seize the oportunity. Show them benefit cuts are nothing to worry about. Here's your chance to show everyone that not everything that comes out of your mouth amounts to nothing but lies and deciet and I'm confident you wouldn't be missed in parliament. Furthermore, if you proved 300,000 wrong, it would look good on your CV, and for once it would be accurate

Dave might be glad to see the back of you and your big mouth for a number of days. Perhaps 300,000 of them.
"I have been unemployed twice in my life so I have already done this. I know what it is like to live on the breadline." Well Dunc, old boy, why not come out and prove 300,000 people wrong. Should be a doddle given your past experience. There's nothing I'd like more than to prove such a huge number have got it wrong. Seize the oportunity. Show them benefit cuts are nothing to worry about. Here's your chance to show everyone that not everything that comes out of your mouth amounts to nothing but lies and deciet and I'm confident you wouldn't be missed in parliament. Furthermore, if you proved 300,000 wrong, it would look good on your CV, and for once it would be accurate Dave might be glad to see the back of you and your big mouth for a number of days. Perhaps 300,000 of them. spaf1733

9:42pm Tue 2 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

Ferdy54 wrote:
I'm certainly not going to sign this ridiculous thing.

If the previous lot hadn't ruined the economy, all this wouldn't be needed. The most people complaining are the ones that have now found they no longer have their usual supply of money on tap.

If people, like on here, can do better, then become an MP. You'll soon find how difficult it is to do a job like IDS does.
Sorry but totally untrue.
[quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: I'm certainly not going to sign this ridiculous thing. If the previous lot hadn't ruined the economy, all this wouldn't be needed. The most people complaining are the ones that have now found they no longer have their usual supply of money on tap. If people, like on here, can do better, then become an MP. You'll soon find how difficult it is to do a job like IDS does.[/p][/quote]Sorry but totally untrue. stickmanny

10:00pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

rogerh3 wrote:
"Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage."

Council housing isn't subsidised. It actually earns the government a profit - the Treasury received over £500m from it in 2010/11.
Bob Crow and Dobson are on huge incomes as Champagne Socialist getting subsidised housing as was Arthur Scargil

They can well afford to purchase their own property or pay a market rent instead of milking the system like many of the people that they purport to support.

In turn their property can be given to a more deserving occupant.
[quote][p][bold]rogerh3[/bold] wrote: "Meanwhile, the likes of Bob Crow and Frank Dobson both live in subsidised rental accommodation despite earning well over the national average wage." Council housing isn't subsidised. It actually earns the government a profit - the Treasury received over £500m from it in 2010/11.[/p][/quote]Bob Crow and Dobson are on huge incomes as Champagne Socialist getting subsidised housing as was Arthur Scargil They can well afford to purchase their own property or pay a market rent instead of milking the system like many of the people that they purport to support. In turn their property can be given to a more deserving occupant. Cornbeefur

10:07pm Tue 2 Apr 13

FredKarno says...

You wont mind elaborating on how you managed and give some tips to those less fortunate.or is this mock anger a stunt too....

A fortnight with the cameras will be fine.

I dont recall bob crow or frank dobson saying that £53 quid was enough for anyone to manage on why are they being dragged into it ?

While hes at it he can explain why an MP on 65000 a year plus needs a food allowance of 400 a month on top of all the other more than adequate allowances....
You wont mind elaborating on how you managed and give some tips to those less fortunate.or is this mock anger a stunt too.... A fortnight with the cameras will be fine. I dont recall bob crow or frank dobson saying that £53 quid was enough for anyone to manage on why are they being dragged into it ? While hes at it he can explain why an MP on 65000 a year plus needs a food allowance of 400 a month on top of all the other more than adequate allowances.... FredKarno

10:16pm Tue 2 Apr 13

rogerh3 says...

Cornbeefur: Afraid your comment makes no sense. Since their housing is not subsidised they're not milking any system.
Cornbeefur: Afraid your comment makes no sense. Since their housing is not subsidised they're not milking any system. rogerh3

10:54pm Tue 2 Apr 13

rogerh3 says...

http://www.housing.o
rg.uk/pdf/Bedroom%20
tax%20home%20truths.
pdf
http://www.housing.o rg.uk/pdf/Bedroom%20 tax%20home%20truths. pdf rogerh3

12:49am Wed 3 Apr 13

Ferdy54 says...

stickmanny wrote:
Ferdy54 wrote:
I'm certainly not going to sign this ridiculous thing.

If the previous lot hadn't ruined the economy, all this wouldn't be needed. The most people complaining are the ones that have now found they no longer have their usual supply of money on tap.

If people, like on here, can do better, then become an MP. You'll soon find how difficult it is to do a job like IDS does.
Sorry but totally untrue.
So what is the truth?
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ferdy54[/bold] wrote: I'm certainly not going to sign this ridiculous thing. If the previous lot hadn't ruined the economy, all this wouldn't be needed. The most people complaining are the ones that have now found they no longer have their usual supply of money on tap. If people, like on here, can do better, then become an MP. You'll soon find how difficult it is to do a job like IDS does.[/p][/quote]Sorry but totally untrue.[/p][/quote]So what is the truth? Ferdy54

12:55am Wed 3 Apr 13

FredKarno says...

All IDS has to do is take up the challenge,

of course he wont, he choses to attack the sick and disabled rather than take on the challenge of the Banks the REAL cause of our problems,but they are Westminsters pay masters, and can afford lawyers etc to fight their case, and would remove the cushy retirement jobs senior politicians seem to like.
All IDS has to do is take up the challenge, of course he wont, he choses to attack the sick and disabled rather than take on the challenge of the Banks the REAL cause of our problems,but they are Westminsters pay masters, and can afford lawyers etc to fight their case, and would remove the cushy retirement jobs senior politicians seem to like. FredKarno

6:42am Wed 3 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

FredKarno speaks the truth!
FredKarno speaks the truth! stickmanny

10:13am Wed 3 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

Nothing is more of an example of the flaws in labour's welfare system than the odious example of a wretched human being in the form of Mr Philpott, aired on Panorama last night, killed his children in a flawed effort to get more out of the State, a product of the socialists who gave him no incentive to work, support his family, or improve his lot.

Only thing that lured him further into further depravity was to continue to father more children for monetary reasons.
Nothing is more of an example of the flaws in labour's welfare system than the odious example of a wretched human being in the form of Mr Philpott, aired on Panorama last night, killed his children in a flawed effort to get more out of the State, a product of the socialists who gave him no incentive to work, support his family, or improve his lot. Only thing that lured him further into further depravity was to continue to father more children for monetary reasons. Cornbeefur

10:28am Wed 3 Apr 13

E-ten trifles says...

Daily mail bile ..You can't use that as an example of welfare recipients, any more than you can use this story as an generalised example of business men as killers.

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/england/shrop
shire/7981103.stm
Daily mail bile ..You can't use that as an example of welfare recipients, any more than you can use this story as an generalised example of business men as killers. http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/england/shrop shire/7981103.stm E-ten trifles

10:30am Wed 3 Apr 13

E-ten trifles says...

Shame on the daily mail and you to use this tragic story as a way of justifying benefit cuts
Shame on the daily mail and you to use this tragic story as a way of justifying benefit cuts E-ten trifles

10:36am Wed 3 Apr 13

rogerh3 says...

Utterly vile newspaper article. The Mail hasn't sunk as low since it came out in support of the Blackshirts in the 1930s.
Utterly vile newspaper article. The Mail hasn't sunk as low since it came out in support of the Blackshirts in the 1930s. rogerh3

11:49am Wed 3 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

rogerh3 wrote:
Utterly vile newspaper article. The Mail hasn't sunk as low since it came out in support of the Blackshirts in the 1930s.
Typical Socialist opinion, go into denial and do not face the facts when confronted with them. This article was one of many examples of where the benefits system as it is, does very little to help those in need but breeds a generation of hopeless dependants.

Regarding you view on Crow and Dobson, they are in Social Housing let out below proper Market Rent which would be more suited to those on a low income.

They can well afford their own homes and probably have them elsewhere in any case.
[quote][p][bold]rogerh3[/bold] wrote: Utterly vile newspaper article. The Mail hasn't sunk as low since it came out in support of the Blackshirts in the 1930s.[/p][/quote]Typical Socialist opinion, go into denial and do not face the facts when confronted with them. This article was one of many examples of where the benefits system as it is, does very little to help those in need but breeds a generation of hopeless dependants. Regarding you view on Crow and Dobson, they are in Social Housing let out below proper Market Rent which would be more suited to those on a low income. They can well afford their own homes and probably have them elsewhere in any case. Cornbeefur

12:09pm Wed 3 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

E-ten trifles wrote:
Shame on the daily mail and you to use this tragic story as a way of justifying benefit cuts
Yes, shame on the Daily Mail for printing lie after lie to feed generations of selfish individuals that have no capacity for empathy whatsoever
[quote][p][bold]E-ten trifles[/bold] wrote: Shame on the daily mail and you to use this tragic story as a way of justifying benefit cuts[/p][/quote]Yes, shame on the Daily Mail for printing lie after lie to feed generations of selfish individuals that have no capacity for empathy whatsoever stickmanny

12:14pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
E-ten trifles wrote:
Shame on the daily mail and you to use this tragic story as a way of justifying benefit cuts
Yes, shame on the Daily Mail for printing lie after lie to feed generations of selfish individuals that have no capacity for empathy whatsoever
People have empathy with the victims being the Children so cruely let down by the wretched parents, Social Services, Police, liberal minded individuals who feed monsters like these with calls for benefits
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-ten trifles[/bold] wrote: Shame on the daily mail and you to use this tragic story as a way of justifying benefit cuts[/p][/quote]Yes, shame on the Daily Mail for printing lie after lie to feed generations of selfish individuals that have no capacity for empathy whatsoever[/p][/quote]People have empathy with the victims being the Children so cruely let down by the wretched parents, Social Services, Police, liberal minded individuals who feed monsters like these with calls for benefits Cornbeefur

12:45pm Wed 3 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

Daily Mail prints sensible article shock!

http://tinyurl.com/7
rk5683
Daily Mail prints sensible article shock! http://tinyurl.com/7 rk5683 stickmanny

1:37pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
Daily Mail prints sensible article shock!

http://tinyurl.com/7

rk5683
Yes typical Socialist views you have, disagree with everything right wing until it suits your subjective causes.

Like money.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Daily Mail prints sensible article shock! http://tinyurl.com/7 rk5683[/p][/quote]Yes typical Socialist views you have, disagree with everything right wing until it suits your subjective causes. Like money. Cornbeefur

2:14pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Chingfordsfinest says...

At least Bob Crow and Dobson pay their rent. Most of the people who are council accomdation are prob claiming housing benefit, and have done for many years. yes they do earn alot of money and prob should go and buy a house, but think of the money the government could of spent on then if they were claiming housing benefit and job seekers allowance and that's without them claiming if they have got children.
At least Bob Crow and Dobson pay their rent. Most of the people who are council accomdation are prob claiming housing benefit, and have done for many years. yes they do earn alot of money and prob should go and buy a house, but think of the money the government could of spent on then if they were claiming housing benefit and job seekers allowance and that's without them claiming if they have got children. Chingfordsfinest

4:21pm Wed 3 Apr 13

SpursSupporter1 says...

Id love too see Ian Duncan-Smith do as he says hes going too do for once, this whole situation is simply going too far come on look what their doing too the London Fire Service alone are the benefit claimants too blame for that also??
Id love too see Ian Duncan-Smith do as he says hes going too do for once, this whole situation is simply going too far come on look what their doing too the London Fire Service alone are the benefit claimants too blame for that also?? SpursSupporter1

12:01am Thu 4 Apr 13

Robert19 says...

Article in the Evening Standard, hardly a publication with leftward leaning sympathies, 3% of the welfare budget goes on the unemployed, 47% goes to pensioners. Less than 1% is subject to fraudulent claims. Enough said but not by that nasty scum-bag of a paper, the Daily Mail.
Article in the Evening Standard, hardly a publication with leftward leaning sympathies, 3% of the welfare budget goes on the unemployed, 47% goes to pensioners. Less than 1% is subject to fraudulent claims. Enough said but not by that nasty scum-bag of a paper, the Daily Mail. Robert19

10:17am Thu 4 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

SpursSupporter1 wrote:
Id love too see Ian Duncan-Smith do as he says hes going too do for once, this whole situation is simply going too far come on look what their doing too the London Fire Service alone are the benefit claimants too blame for that also??
Consult 'Lord' Prescott for Fire Service lack of monies.

He squandered 350 million of taxpayers cash on 9 unused Call centres that never opened and were costing further millions to maintain whilst shut.
[quote][p][bold]SpursSupporter1[/bold] wrote: Id love too see Ian Duncan-Smith do as he says hes going too do for once, this whole situation is simply going too far come on look what their doing too the London Fire Service alone are the benefit claimants too blame for that also??[/p][/quote]Consult 'Lord' Prescott for Fire Service lack of monies. He squandered 350 million of taxpayers cash on 9 unused Call centres that never opened and were costing further millions to maintain whilst shut. Cornbeefur

10:23am Thu 4 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SpursSupporter1 wrote:
Id love too see Ian Duncan-Smith do as he says hes going too do for once, this whole situation is simply going too far come on look what their doing too the London Fire Service alone are the benefit claimants too blame for that also??
Consult 'Lord' Prescott for Fire Service lack of monies.

He squandered 350 million of taxpayers cash on 9 unused Call centres that never opened and were costing further millions to maintain whilst shut.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2039737/John-Prescot
ts-500m-station-foll
y-MPs-slam-plan-supe
r-centres-stand-empt
y.html
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpursSupporter1[/bold] wrote: Id love too see Ian Duncan-Smith do as he says hes going too do for once, this whole situation is simply going too far come on look what their doing too the London Fire Service alone are the benefit claimants too blame for that also??[/p][/quote]Consult 'Lord' Prescott for Fire Service lack of monies. He squandered 350 million of taxpayers cash on 9 unused Call centres that never opened and were costing further millions to maintain whilst shut.[/p][/quote]http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2039737/John-Prescot ts-500m-station-foll y-MPs-slam-plan-supe r-centres-stand-empt y.html Cornbeefur

11:54am Thu 4 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

Philpott gets 15yrs - life.

But wait - AN Wilson says the welfare state made him a murderer, so this must be a travesty of justice.

I'm expecting the Daily Mail to campaign for his release
Philpott gets 15yrs - life. But wait - AN Wilson says the welfare state made him a murderer, so this must be a travesty of justice. I'm expecting the Daily Mail to campaign for his release stickmanny

12:03pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
Philpott gets 15yrs - life.

But wait - AN Wilson says the welfare state made him a murderer, so this must be a travesty of justice.

I'm expecting the Daily Mail to campaign for his release
Nice to see that you are an avid reader of The Mail as that Story you refer to is in today's paper.

I suppose you tell everyone you do not watch Eastenders but know every character.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Philpott gets 15yrs - life. But wait - AN Wilson says the welfare state made him a murderer, so this must be a travesty of justice. I'm expecting the Daily Mail to campaign for his release[/p][/quote]Nice to see that you are an avid reader of The Mail as that Story you refer to is in today's paper. I suppose you tell everyone you do not watch Eastenders but know every character. Cornbeefur

2:30pm Thu 4 Apr 13

FredKarno says...

Has IDS made a comment on philpott ?, i thought the thread was about IDS and his plans not a one off mass murder, or are all disabled and out of work going to take up arms ?

I suspect IDS is keeping a low profile as the petition is now heading towards 500,000 or at least searching out media outlets that wont question him too closely.
Has IDS made a comment on philpott ?, i thought the thread was about IDS and his plans not a one off mass murder, or are all disabled and out of work going to take up arms ? I suspect IDS is keeping a low profile as the petition is now heading towards 500,000 or at least searching out media outlets that wont question him too closely. FredKarno

3:03pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Bernard 87 says...

I actually think IDS is one of the better MPs out there and as a country we do need to start tackling the growing welfare bill. Labour allowed it to get too large. No successful country will continue to grow by subsidising large numbers of the population.
I actually think IDS is one of the better MPs out there and as a country we do need to start tackling the growing welfare bill. Labour allowed it to get too large. No successful country will continue to grow by subsidising large numbers of the population. Bernard 87

3:04pm Thu 4 Apr 13

mdj says...

' Robert19 says...
... Less than 1% is subject to fraudulent claims'

By definition, how on earth does anybody know? Do the fraudsters file an annual return to the ONS?
' Robert19 says... ... Less than 1% is subject to fraudulent claims' By definition, how on earth does anybody know? Do the fraudsters file an annual return to the ONS? mdj

9:50pm Thu 4 Apr 13

FredKarno says...

mdj says...
3:04pm Thu 4 Apr 13

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-17139
088

probably the same way they know the above......

Yet IDS says hes helping people how about getting his department to do just that rather than vilifying everyone and turning people against each other as scroungers, giving easter eggs as bonus's to staff who refuse people benefits.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/society/2013/m
ar/22/labour-demands
-action-jobcentre-ta
rgets

of course he wont know anything about targets hes helping people remember....
mdj says... 3:04pm Thu 4 Apr 13 http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-17139 088 probably the same way they know the above...... Yet IDS says hes helping people how about getting his department to do just that rather than vilifying everyone and turning people against each other as scroungers, giving easter eggs as bonus's to staff who refuse people benefits. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2013/m ar/22/labour-demands -action-jobcentre-ta rgets of course he wont know anything about targets hes helping people remember.... FredKarno

3:47pm Fri 5 Apr 13

Robert19 says...

mdj wrote:
' Robert19 says...
... Less than 1% is subject to fraudulent claims'

By definition, how on earth does anybody know? Do the fraudsters file an annual return to the ONS?
I'm only reporting what the article in the ES says. I guess it relates to convictions and yes people who get away with it won't be counted. However even if you double the percentage of fraudulent claims it is still a very low amount compared to the belief in a recent survey that 27% of the welfare budget is claimed fraudulently.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' Robert19 says... ... Less than 1% is subject to fraudulent claims' By definition, how on earth does anybody know? Do the fraudsters file an annual return to the ONS?[/p][/quote]I'm only reporting what the article in the ES says. I guess it relates to convictions and yes people who get away with it won't be counted. However even if you double the percentage of fraudulent claims it is still a very low amount compared to the belief in a recent survey that 27% of the welfare budget is claimed fraudulently. Robert19

5:38pm Fri 5 Apr 13

Robert19 says...

In fact I did check the sources. The 27% is from a TUC survey and the less than 1% - 0.7% which is around a billion pounds is from: "Fraud and Error Preliminary 2011/12 Estimates". Fraud and Error in the Benefit System: Preliminary 2011/12 Estimates (Great Britain) Revised Edition. Department for Work and Pensions. 6 June 2012. p. 2.
Obviously every effort must be made to detect and prevent fraud but there are greater sums lost in tax avoidance for instance.
In fact I did check the sources. The 27% is from a TUC survey and the less than 1% - 0.7% which is around a billion pounds is from: "Fraud and Error Preliminary 2011/12 Estimates". Fraud and Error in the Benefit System: Preliminary 2011/12 Estimates (Great Britain) Revised Edition. Department for Work and Pensions. 6 June 2012. p. 2. Obviously every effort must be made to detect and prevent fraud but there are greater sums lost in tax avoidance for instance. Robert19

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