Street lights switch off postponed

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Street lights will now be switched off at night from January 2 following an appeal Street lights will now be switched off at night from January 2 following an appeal

A controversial move to switch off street lights at night to save money has been dramatically postponed hours before it was due to come into effect.

Lights in residential streets across Epping Forest were due to be switched off for the first time last night at midnight for five hours.

But a formal appeal by Cllr Chris Pond for the launch to be postponed was yesterday accepted by Essex County Council’s cabinet member for highways, Rodney Bass, and the switch-off is now scheduled for January 2.

Cllr Pond raised concerns about the safety of residents in darkened streets.

Lights on bus routes will also now be turned off at 1am rather than midnight following a request from Transport for London.

Cllr Pond said: “This is a stay of execution for us. We haven’t prevented the switch off but it is a positive move.”

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11:48am Tue 10 Dec 13

Billy Yerache says...

Maybe they saw the light at last.
Maybe they saw the light at last. Billy Yerache

8:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

BelieveBJ says...

They seriously need to realise that the MAJORITY of residents are completely AGAINST this.....NONE of us, we're ever asked our views!
We do NOT want to live in the dark ages.....
Savings can be made elsewhere, or more sensible ideas....like every other lamp.....etc...etc..
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OR add a bit to our bills, so we can see at night!
There are those that want to see the stars etc, all I can suggest is move to the places, where there are NO lamps!
They seriously need to realise that the MAJORITY of residents are completely AGAINST this.....NONE of us, we're ever asked our views! We do NOT want to live in the dark ages..... Savings can be made elsewhere, or more sensible ideas....like every other lamp.....etc...etc.. .. OR add a bit to our bills, so we can see at night! There are those that want to see the stars etc, all I can suggest is move to the places, where there are NO lamps! BelieveBJ

12:08am Wed 11 Dec 13

It's good to talk says...

Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea.

Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt.

I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk.

Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?
Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea. Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt. I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk. Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights? It's good to talk

6:49am Wed 11 Dec 13

Billy Yerache says...

It's good to talk wrote:
Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea.

Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt.

I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk.

Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?
Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.
[quote][p][bold]It's good to talk[/bold] wrote: Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea. Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt. I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk. Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?[/p][/quote]Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light. Billy Yerache

8:11am Wed 11 Dec 13

BelieveBJ says...

Billy Yerache wrote:
It's good to talk wrote:
Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea.

Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt.

I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk.

Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?
Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.
Shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]Billy Yerache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's good to talk[/bold] wrote: Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea. Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt. I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk. Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?[/p][/quote]Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.[/p][/quote]Shame on you. BelieveBJ

10:16am Wed 11 Dec 13

villager1 says...

Thank you Chris Pond for getting a little bit of sense at last but why does it take so long to convince them - still not enough there should be a stay of execution for at least 30 minutes after the last tube. It shows that they had not done a proper impact assessment given that they had not consulted TFL or indeed anyone about this . I agree with It's good to talk - that feeling of complete darkness enveloping you and not being able to see where you put your feet is terrifying. Those people who can be safely tucked up in bed during these hours and not have to work or want to socialise after midnight should not be consulted or listened to as it does not affect them so they should shut up really or move to Northumberland.
Please Cll Pond go back and see if you can get that extra 30 minutes after last tube; it will make all the difference if we are to have this nonsense 19th century policy foisted on us.
Thank you Chris Pond for getting a little bit of sense at last but why does it take so long to convince them - still not enough there should be a stay of execution for at least 30 minutes after the last tube. It shows that they had not done a proper impact assessment given that they had not consulted TFL or indeed anyone about this . I agree with It's good to talk - that feeling of complete darkness enveloping you and not being able to see where you put your feet is terrifying. Those people who can be safely tucked up in bed during these hours and not have to work or want to socialise after midnight should not be consulted or listened to as it does not affect them so they should shut up really or move to Northumberland. Please Cll Pond go back and see if you can get that extra 30 minutes after last tube; it will make all the difference if we are to have this nonsense 19th century policy foisted on us. villager1

11:40am Wed 11 Dec 13

escapefrome17 says...

You lot really need to grow up! Presumeably fully grown adults afraid of the dark?? If it's that frightening either get a torch or stay indoors and hide in the cupboard (oh sorry.....no light in there)
You lot really need to grow up! Presumeably fully grown adults afraid of the dark?? If it's that frightening either get a torch or stay indoors and hide in the cupboard (oh sorry.....no light in there) escapefrome17

12:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

villager1 says...

You will find that the majority of people adults women and men or children are scared of being in pitch darkest outdoor - this is a perfectly normal reaction for those of us who belong to the human race.
You will find that the majority of people adults women and men or children are scared of being in pitch darkest outdoor - this is a perfectly normal reaction for those of us who belong to the human race. villager1

3:44pm Wed 11 Dec 13

escapefrome17 says...

Being out deep in the forest on a starlit winters night is a joy denied to many people by their own fears...try it, you might enjoy it! There are no rapists or muggers loitering, I promise, in fact, apart from the odd ranger or occasional night fisherman, you never see or hear anyone, and this is the same anywhere residential at dead of night too. The only downside is the sickly orange skyglow preventing it ever getting truly dark anywhere in South eastern England. There really isn't anything to be frightened of. The light spill from the M25 and urban areas has gradually ruined the night time environment over the last thirty years or so. In 1997 I was living in Hainault, pretty urban and overlit even then, yet I was still able to take pictures of comet hale-bopp from my back garden.....the streetlighting down my road then was older style low columns below bedroom window height, soon after they were replaced with huge towering monstrosities that were so tall they lit up the back gardens with their excessive light spill, atrocious! I feel pity for those who have never experienced the sight of the milky way on a winters night from their own back garden, and that's a whole generation of people now.
Being out deep in the forest on a starlit winters night is a joy denied to many people by their own fears...try it, you might enjoy it! There are no rapists or muggers loitering, I promise, in fact, apart from the odd ranger or occasional night fisherman, you never see or hear anyone, and this is the same anywhere residential at dead of night too. The only downside is the sickly orange skyglow preventing it ever getting truly dark anywhere in South eastern England. There really isn't anything to be frightened of. The light spill from the M25 and urban areas has gradually ruined the night time environment over the last thirty years or so. In 1997 I was living in Hainault, pretty urban and overlit even then, yet I was still able to take pictures of comet hale-bopp from my back garden.....the streetlighting down my road then was older style low columns below bedroom window height, soon after they were replaced with huge towering monstrosities that were so tall they lit up the back gardens with their excessive light spill, atrocious! I feel pity for those who have never experienced the sight of the milky way on a winters night from their own back garden, and that's a whole generation of people now. escapefrome17

6:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

It's good to talk says...

Billy Yerache wrote:
It's good to talk wrote:
Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea.

Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt.

I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk.

Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?
Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.
Please don't call me a woose. I am a 64 year old female, who needs a job. Working in a care home which means I have to work night shifts. Since Dunmow adopted the part lighting, I returned to my car in total darkness and freezing fog at 1.30 am this morning with a torch. Street lighting would have been a blessing. Please be considerate in your remarks.
[quote][p][bold]Billy Yerache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's good to talk[/bold] wrote: Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea. Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt. I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk. Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?[/p][/quote]Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.[/p][/quote]Please don't call me a woose. I am a 64 year old female, who needs a job. Working in a care home which means I have to work night shifts. Since Dunmow adopted the part lighting, I returned to my car in total darkness and freezing fog at 1.30 am this morning with a torch. Street lighting would have been a blessing. Please be considerate in your remarks. It's good to talk

10:55am Thu 12 Dec 13

Billy Yerache says...

It's good to talk wrote:
Billy Yerache wrote:
It's good to talk wrote:
Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea.

Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt.

I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk.

Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?
Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.
Please don't call me a woose. I am a 64 year old female, who needs a job. Working in a care home which means I have to work night shifts. Since Dunmow adopted the part lighting, I returned to my car in total darkness and freezing fog at 1.30 am this morning with a torch. Street lighting would have been a blessing. Please be considerate in your remarks.
So all the street lights have to be kept on because you are working nights?

When you give up work, will you write to the Council and tell them that they can switch them off now? Maybe you could buy a lantern.

What do you think they do in the unlit villages around the country?
[quote][p][bold]It's good to talk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billy Yerache[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's good to talk[/bold] wrote: Behind Chris Pond on this. Am totally against this idea. Have experienced part lighting when I worked in Great Dunmow. Walking back to my car in TOTAL darkness was the worst ever feeling ever, just can't describe the fear I felt. I can understand the economics but wished there was another way to save money other than putting night workers at un-necessary risk. Can only think that people who want part lighting are safely tucked up in bed between 12-5 am. Do they not care about the safety of others who work nights?[/p][/quote]Don't be such a woose. If you are scared of the dark get a night light.[/p][/quote]Please don't call me a woose. I am a 64 year old female, who needs a job. Working in a care home which means I have to work night shifts. Since Dunmow adopted the part lighting, I returned to my car in total darkness and freezing fog at 1.30 am this morning with a torch. Street lighting would have been a blessing. Please be considerate in your remarks.[/p][/quote]So all the street lights have to be kept on because you are working nights? When you give up work, will you write to the Council and tell them that they can switch them off now? Maybe you could buy a lantern. What do you think they do in the unlit villages around the country? Billy Yerache

3:48pm Thu 12 Dec 13

villager1 says...

What a nasty piece of work you are Cornbeefur - all I can say is that I hope when you are old and requiring care someone leaves you festering because they cannot get to you because they are in fear of coming out in the middle of the night. Speaking to care workers or anyone who needs to work at night like this, makes it all you deserve.
What a nasty piece of work you are Cornbeefur - all I can say is that I hope when you are old and requiring care someone leaves you festering because they cannot get to you because they are in fear of coming out in the middle of the night. Speaking to care workers or anyone who needs to work at night like this, makes it all you deserve. villager1

10:57pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Billy Yerache says...

villager1 wrote:
What a nasty piece of work you are Cornbeefur - all I can say is that I hope when you are old and requiring care someone leaves you festering because they cannot get to you because they are in fear of coming out in the middle of the night. Speaking to care workers or anyone who needs to work at night like this, makes it all you deserve.
You are full of emotive bluster, I am older than you and not afraid of the dark, I have a £1 torch anyhow.

We cannot light up the whole of the UK to fit in with everyone's lifestyle and shift rota.
[quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: What a nasty piece of work you are Cornbeefur - all I can say is that I hope when you are old and requiring care someone leaves you festering because they cannot get to you because they are in fear of coming out in the middle of the night. Speaking to care workers or anyone who needs to work at night like this, makes it all you deserve.[/p][/quote]You are full of emotive bluster, I am older than you and not afraid of the dark, I have a £1 torch anyhow. We cannot light up the whole of the UK to fit in with everyone's lifestyle and shift rota. Billy Yerache

3:58pm Fri 13 Dec 13

escapefrome17 says...

Regardless of total darkness, I would say you are probably a lot safer walking back to your car at 1:30am in dark and fog in Dunmow than you would be in say Priory Court or Beaumont Road, both of which are llit up like day all night long.
Regardless of total darkness, I would say you are probably a lot safer walking back to your car at 1:30am in dark and fog in Dunmow than you would be in say Priory Court or Beaumont Road, both of which are llit up like day all night long. escapefrome17

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