Blaze ripped through home as firefighters took strike action

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The family of a mother-of-four whose home was destroyed by fire on Christmas Eve is calling for an end to strike action by firefighters, claiming a delay led to the extensive damage.

As the blaze ripped through Emma Benton’s home in Forest Road, Loughton, at 10.30pm, fire crews across Essex were on a planned strike.

Her father, Don Benton, said that his daughter, 42, was upstairs reading her children a bedtime story when she heard the smoke alarm and went down to the kitchen to investigate.

He said: “She ran back upstairs to get the two youngest children. She got them out of bed and took them next door.

“The neighbour called the fire brigade first at 10.36pm.

"Fire officers told me on three occasions that her decision was critical as smoke inhalation kills in two minutes."

The first crew arrived 13 minutes later at 10.49pm, but the second did not get to the address for another twenty minutes, according to the family.

Mr Benton was told that the striking Loughton fire crew had been locked out of the station during the strike and were not notified about the fire until 12.20am.

Mr Benton added: “The second engine took half an hour to get to us. To me, that is a consequence of the strike and unacceptable.

“I was told by Firefighters that, had the Loughton Firefighters not been locked out the station, they would have immediately broken the strike and would have been at the fire within three minutes.

“The Loughton Fire Fighters told me they would have without doubt saved the house from total destruction and probably limited it to just the kitchen.

“I feel that my daughter is a victim of an argument between the union and the government. I am on the side of the fire fighters but this needs to stop. My daughter and grandchildren could have been killed as a result of these strikes.

The Benton family praised firefighters for climbing into the house and saving what was left of the children's presents in an upstairs bedroom.

Ms Benton and her children Mario, Max, Luca and Bella have lost all of their possessions.
However friends, neighbours and family are determined to help.

“Friends have been extremely thoughtful for which we are immensely grateful. Neighbours had a collection in Forest Road and Smarts Lane and by the end of Christmas Day they had collected just over £2000. People are incredible.” Mr Benton added.

“As a family we will get her back on her feet.”

A spokesman for Essex County Fire and Rescue Service said: "The initial crew was sent from a turnout location in Chigwell and within eight minutes of the 999 call being received, firefighters had arrived and put on breathing apparatus and were inside the house tackling the blaze.

"The way the fire rapidly developed through the roof was the cause of significant damage and it is unlikely that the outcome would have been different.”

Mr Benton disputes this statement.

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11:14am Tue 31 Dec 13

thinkhowstupidyousound says...

Firefighters dealing with the incident within 8 minutes is commendable. This time will have been officially recorded and therefore be difficult to question/dispute.

Well done to the firefighters on their brave actions when they knew backup was not there.

All because the Government are being stubborn over a dispute that can be easily solved if they were to match Scotland's offer and match the package given to the Police at a whim.
Firefighters dealing with the incident within 8 minutes is commendable. This time will have been officially recorded and therefore be difficult to question/dispute. Well done to the firefighters on their brave actions when they knew backup was not there. All because the Government are being stubborn over a dispute that can be easily solved if they were to match Scotland's offer and match the package given to the Police at a whim. thinkhowstupidyousound

11:42am Tue 31 Dec 13

escapefrome17 says...

8 minutes is pretty quick! In Britain the average response time 2012/13 is 7.4 minutes, so not bad. I don't blame the firefighters for striking- although they've had it pretty easy over the years with their second day jobs- one I know is a cabbie, another works on a car lot, the pension issue is a real one which needs looking at again.
8 minutes is pretty quick! In Britain the average response time 2012/13 is 7.4 minutes, so not bad. I don't blame the firefighters for striking- although they've had it pretty easy over the years with their second day jobs- one I know is a cabbie, another works on a car lot, the pension issue is a real one which needs looking at again. escapefrome17

12:45pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Pete Campbell says...

Had it pretty easy with their second day jobs? How is it easy?
Away from families, working nights, weekends, holidays, Christmas etc. Why do people get hung up on the second job argument. If anyone has a Mon to Fri day job, you also have the option to get a second job working at night if you fancy it. I gave up a well paid job to become a firefighter and do something worthwhile that I would be proud to do but in order to do that I had to take on a second job out of necessity to support my family. If anyone has got a problem with that, then I give up. Pointless arguing with ill informed fools.
Had it pretty easy with their second day jobs? How is it easy? Away from families, working nights, weekends, holidays, Christmas etc. Why do people get hung up on the second job argument. If anyone has a Mon to Fri day job, you also have the option to get a second job working at night if you fancy it. I gave up a well paid job to become a firefighter and do something worthwhile that I would be proud to do but in order to do that I had to take on a second job out of necessity to support my family. If anyone has got a problem with that, then I give up. Pointless arguing with ill informed fools. Pete Campbell

3:03pm Tue 31 Dec 13

firefighter35 says...

I work 48 hours a week as firefighter working shifts, that is more than the average working week of 42.7 hours for workers in the UK. I also took a pay cut to join the fire service, to do a rewarding job and help people. My take home pay is £1600 per month, so unfortunately I have to do a second job to support my family. Working a second job is not something I want to do, but I have to do to support my family. Just a shame that the majority of people believe everything they read in the papers and don't take time to find out both sides of the story. When I joined the fire service 14 years ago, the retirement age was 55 years old, it has now been increased to 60 years old. Compared to other jobs this may seem good to be able to retire at 60, however not many 60 year olds have to face the physical demands that are put on firefighter when peoples properties or lives are on the line. If a firefighter fails an annual fitness test ( VO2 of 42 - that is elite athlete standard at that age) they can be sacked on capability, lose almost half of their pension, which they then can't collect until 68 years old and have been paying into during their whole career. I pay £350 every month for my pension, which is a lot and all that I want is to get what i signed up for. The MP's pension has been changed and they are looking as though they are going to get an 11% pay rise!
I work 48 hours a week as firefighter working shifts, that is more than the average working week of 42.7 hours for workers in the UK. I also took a pay cut to join the fire service, to do a rewarding job and help people. My take home pay is £1600 per month, so unfortunately I have to do a second job to support my family. Working a second job is not something I want to do, but I have to do to support my family. Just a shame that the majority of people believe everything they read in the papers and don't take time to find out both sides of the story. When I joined the fire service 14 years ago, the retirement age was 55 years old, it has now been increased to 60 years old. Compared to other jobs this may seem good to be able to retire at 60, however not many 60 year olds have to face the physical demands that are put on firefighter when peoples properties or lives are on the line. If a firefighter fails an annual fitness test ( VO2 of 42 - that is elite athlete standard at that age) they can be sacked on capability, lose almost half of their pension, which they then can't collect until 68 years old and have been paying into during their whole career. I pay £350 every month for my pension, which is a lot and all that I want is to get what i signed up for. The MP's pension has been changed and they are looking as though they are going to get an 11% pay rise! firefighter35

6:11pm Tue 31 Dec 13

pm1234 says...

At the end of the day whatever your negative opinions may be when you need these guys they will lay their lives literally on the line to save you, your family and your home.

I whole heartedly support these unsung heroes and would be happy to see them honoured and supported with a decent wage packet and a decent pension and a retirement age that doesn't leave them working on the front line up until and age where they could be putting themselves in danger.

Wake up people the unions, politicians and ultimately our society as a whole are failing our emergency services on a nationwide scale.

The Police are getting shafted, Paramedics are at breaking strain and Fire-fighters are being swindled out of their pensions, these emergency services * are the mainstay support of our society and supporting them should go without question.

Look at the NHS crisis levels and poor support for nursing staff and the pittance they and even our troops get paid whilst we let banksters get away with billions and bonuses to reward them for shafting us.

Get real, get sensible and get some public spirit and support our unsung heroes, all of them, you never know when you might need them.

* The ambulance service and paramedics are not actually officially classed as a national emergency service, its a service provided and run by the NHS and look at the mess that's in.
At the end of the day whatever your negative opinions may be when you need these guys they will lay their lives literally on the line to save you, your family and your home. I whole heartedly support these unsung heroes and would be happy to see them honoured and supported with a decent wage packet and a decent pension and a retirement age that doesn't leave them working on the front line up until and age where they could be putting themselves in danger. Wake up people the unions, politicians and ultimately our society as a whole are failing our emergency services on a nationwide scale. The Police are getting shafted, Paramedics are at breaking strain and Fire-fighters are being swindled out of their pensions, these emergency services * are the mainstay support of our society and supporting them should go without question. Look at the NHS crisis levels and poor support for nursing staff and the pittance they and even our troops get paid whilst we let banksters get away with billions and bonuses to reward them for shafting us. Get real, get sensible and get some public spirit and support our unsung heroes, all of them, you never know when you might need them. * The ambulance service and paramedics are not actually officially classed as a national emergency service, its a service provided and run by the NHS and look at the mess that's in. pm1234

6:15pm Tue 31 Dec 13

trentduval says...

escapefrome17 wrote:
8 minutes is pretty quick! In Britain the average response time 2012/13 is 7.4 minutes, so not bad. I don't blame the firefighters for striking- although they've had it pretty easy over the years with their second day jobs- one I know is a cabbie, another works on a car lot, the pension issue is a real one which needs looking at again.
i know a joiner who is also a dj. is this ok ????
[quote][p][bold]escapefrome17[/bold] wrote: 8 minutes is pretty quick! In Britain the average response time 2012/13 is 7.4 minutes, so not bad. I don't blame the firefighters for striking- although they've had it pretty easy over the years with their second day jobs- one I know is a cabbie, another works on a car lot, the pension issue is a real one which needs looking at again.[/p][/quote]i know a joiner who is also a dj. is this ok ???? trentduval

7:19pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ruby newbie says...

cannot believe I pressed the wrong button.........bill yearche -1,000,000 for that quote
cannot believe I pressed the wrong button.........bill yearche -1,000,000 for that quote ruby newbie

7:20pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Johnny Boy says...

pm1234 wrote:
At the end of the day whatever your negative opinions may be when you need these guys they will lay their lives literally on the line to save you, your family and your home.

I whole heartedly support these unsung heroes and would be happy to see them honoured and supported with a decent wage packet and a decent pension and a retirement age that doesn't leave them working on the front line up until and age where they could be putting themselves in danger.

Wake up people the unions, politicians and ultimately our society as a whole are failing our emergency services on a nationwide scale.

The Police are getting shafted, Paramedics are at breaking strain and Fire-fighters are being swindled out of their pensions, these emergency services * are the mainstay support of our society and supporting them should go without question.

Look at the NHS crisis levels and poor support for nursing staff and the pittance they and even our troops get paid whilst we let banksters get away with billions and bonuses to reward them for shafting us.

Get real, get sensible and get some public spirit and support our unsung heroes, all of them, you never know when you might need them.

* The ambulance service and paramedics are not actually officially classed as a national emergency service, its a service provided and run by the NHS and look at the mess that's in.
Bravo to that !!!!
[quote][p][bold]pm1234[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day whatever your negative opinions may be when you need these guys they will lay their lives literally on the line to save you, your family and your home. I whole heartedly support these unsung heroes and would be happy to see them honoured and supported with a decent wage packet and a decent pension and a retirement age that doesn't leave them working on the front line up until and age where they could be putting themselves in danger. Wake up people the unions, politicians and ultimately our society as a whole are failing our emergency services on a nationwide scale. The Police are getting shafted, Paramedics are at breaking strain and Fire-fighters are being swindled out of their pensions, these emergency services * are the mainstay support of our society and supporting them should go without question. Look at the NHS crisis levels and poor support for nursing staff and the pittance they and even our troops get paid whilst we let banksters get away with billions and bonuses to reward them for shafting us. Get real, get sensible and get some public spirit and support our unsung heroes, all of them, you never know when you might need them. * The ambulance service and paramedics are not actually officially classed as a national emergency service, its a service provided and run by the NHS and look at the mess that's in.[/p][/quote]Bravo to that !!!! Johnny Boy

7:27pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Arsenal red says...

How many jobs have the MP's got ? who have caused this strike by expecting 60 year old firefighters to be fitter than the rest of the population?
Total double standards . Also anyone reading these articles can have more than one job' you just have to have the need or will. Happy new year cornbillfilth
How many jobs have the MP's got ? who have caused this strike by expecting 60 year old firefighters to be fitter than the rest of the population? Total double standards . Also anyone reading these articles can have more than one job' you just have to have the need or will. Happy new year cornbillfilth Arsenal red

1:29pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Billy Yerache says...

Pete Campbell wrote:
Had it pretty easy with their second day jobs? How is it easy?
Away from families, working nights, weekends, holidays, Christmas etc. Why do people get hung up on the second job argument. If anyone has a Mon to Fri day job, you also have the option to get a second job working at night if you fancy it. I gave up a well paid job to become a firefighter and do something worthwhile that I would be proud to do but in order to do that I had to take on a second job out of necessity to support my family. If anyone has got a problem with that, then I give up. Pointless arguing with ill informed fools.
You gave up your well paid job for your own benefit of a fire service pension no doubt, please don't blow your own trumpet about what a hero you are.

Most firemen go through their service with the main action experienced being the draining off hydrants, climbing their tower in the back yard and visiting school playgrounds on Fete and Summer Fares.

What other job lets their staff sleep in beds whilst getting paid?
[quote][p][bold]Pete Campbell[/bold] wrote: Had it pretty easy with their second day jobs? How is it easy? Away from families, working nights, weekends, holidays, Christmas etc. Why do people get hung up on the second job argument. If anyone has a Mon to Fri day job, you also have the option to get a second job working at night if you fancy it. I gave up a well paid job to become a firefighter and do something worthwhile that I would be proud to do but in order to do that I had to take on a second job out of necessity to support my family. If anyone has got a problem with that, then I give up. Pointless arguing with ill informed fools.[/p][/quote]You gave up your well paid job for your own benefit of a fire service pension no doubt, please don't blow your own trumpet about what a hero you are. Most firemen go through their service with the main action experienced being the draining off hydrants, climbing their tower in the back yard and visiting school playgrounds on Fete and Summer Fares. What other job lets their staff sleep in beds whilst getting paid? Billy Yerache

1:32pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pete Campbell says...

Billy, you seem very bitter about people who have chosen a certain career whose sole purpose is to save lives. Why so angry? Why so vindictive? Like I said - nothing to stop you getting a second job. As for 'gourmet meals in state of the art facilities' you clearly haven't seen the kitchen I use at my station. It should be condemned!

So do tell me, what job do you do and how much do you take home each month that allows you to be so self righteous and judgemental towards other people who.work hard to support their families? For the record I take home £1700 per month.

So instead of slagging off firefighters who would if called to do so, rescue your miserable, selfish arse while putting theirs on the line, take a look at yourself. You could have chosen the 'cushy' life yourself although I don't think you'd have it in you somehow.

Reply what you like now. I'm done wasting time with you. Spending the rest of the day with my wife and kids before I go back on duty to protect idiots like you.
Billy, you seem very bitter about people who have chosen a certain career whose sole purpose is to save lives. Why so angry? Why so vindictive? Like I said - nothing to stop you getting a second job. As for 'gourmet meals in state of the art facilities' you clearly haven't seen the kitchen I use at my station. It should be condemned! So do tell me, what job do you do and how much do you take home each month that allows you to be so self righteous and judgemental towards other people who.work hard to support their families? For the record I take home £1700 per month. So instead of slagging off firefighters who would if called to do so, rescue your miserable, selfish arse while putting theirs on the line, take a look at yourself. You could have chosen the 'cushy' life yourself although I don't think you'd have it in you somehow. Reply what you like now. I'm done wasting time with you. Spending the rest of the day with my wife and kids before I go back on duty to protect idiots like you. Pete Campbell

1:40pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pete Campbell says...

For the record Billy, I will never get the wonderful pension you speak of as I joined when I was 36. My pension is actually pretty dreadful, so don't harp on about doing it for my personal benefit. You know nothing about me or indeed the majority of firefighters so you'd best stop making a fool if yourself. This is my last reply to you as your tiny brain clearly has quite sizeable issues.

You'll just have ti accept you are very wrong on this issue. Shame.
For the record Billy, I will never get the wonderful pension you speak of as I joined when I was 36. My pension is actually pretty dreadful, so don't harp on about doing it for my personal benefit. You know nothing about me or indeed the majority of firefighters so you'd best stop making a fool if yourself. This is my last reply to you as your tiny brain clearly has quite sizeable issues. You'll just have ti accept you are very wrong on this issue. Shame. Pete Campbell

2:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Pete this guy is a troll of the highest calibre. Don't trouble yourself further unless you enjoy the sport.

Happy New Year to you and your colleagues.
Pete this guy is a troll of the highest calibre. Don't trouble yourself further unless you enjoy the sport. Happy New Year to you and your colleagues. stickmanny

5:57pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

Billy,Coenedbeefeur) ,please find help.
You are a sick individual with a "Look at me !" complex.
We are not worried about what you think or your futile spoutings.
Its 2014! Time for your next guise.

Thanks to all in the emergency services and all that you do for us.
Billy,Coenedbeefeur) ,please find help. You are a sick individual with a "Look at me !" complex. We are not worried about what you think or your futile spoutings. Its 2014! Time for your next guise. Thanks to all in the emergency services and all that you do for us. westside_o

7:05pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

OK. 2nd jobs.
Why not if someone wants more for themselves/family? Isn't that natural ?
Sleeping on duty.
I'd rather have someone come to save my loved ones/ home/ me, who was fit and refreshed enough to do so.
Do you have a pension?
Ever wished it were better?
If you're happy, then great.
If your pension wouldn't have provided for you and your family in your old age, what would you have done ?
Another job maybe ? Complain?
OK. 2nd jobs. Why not if someone wants more for themselves/family? Isn't that natural ? Sleeping on duty. I'd rather have someone come to save my loved ones/ home/ me, who was fit and refreshed enough to do so. Do you have a pension? Ever wished it were better? If you're happy, then great. If your pension wouldn't have provided for you and your family in your old age, what would you have done ? Another job maybe ? Complain? westside_o

7:33pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

Billy, just one question.
Have you in the last six months had a good word to say about anyone/anything/ anywhere that's documented?
If you can provide a link it will restore my faith in human nature.
Many thanks,
Happy new year.
Billy, just one question. Have you in the last six months had a good word to say about anyone/anything/ anywhere that's documented? If you can provide a link it will restore my faith in human nature. Many thanks, Happy new year. westside_o

8:02pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Arsenal red says...

Dear All
We should all pity Billy no mates, he obviously has no friends or a life of any significance. He is an attention seeking troll. Just look at his coments, why is he SO frightened to tell us what he does, apart from despising life?
Sad lonely man...... he needs our sympathy and some phychiatic help.
Dear All We should all pity Billy no mates, he obviously has no friends or a life of any significance. He is an attention seeking troll. Just look at his coments, why is he SO frightened to tell us what he does, apart from despising life? Sad lonely man...... he needs our sympathy and some phychiatic help. Arsenal red

8:07pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

westside_o wrote:
OK. 2nd jobs.
Why not if someone wants more for themselves/family? Isn't that natural ?
Sleeping on duty.
I'd rather have someone come to save my loved ones/ home/ me, who was fit and refreshed enough to do so.
Do you have a pension?
Ever wished it were better?
If you're happy, then great.
If your pension wouldn't have provided for you and your family in your old age, what would you have done ?
Another job maybe ? Complain?
It would seem that restoring my faith in human nature (or your own) is not one of your priorities right now.
Either that, or your determination to find something good that you have said on the interweb is overwhelming you.

OK. 2nd jobs.
Why not if someone wants more for themselves/family? Isn't that natural ?
Sleeping on duty.
I'd rather have someone come to save my loved ones/ home/ me, who was fit and refreshed enough to do so.
Do you have a pension?
Ever wished it were better?
If you're happy, then great.
If your pension wouldn't have provided for you and your family in your old age, what would you have done ?
Another job maybe ? Complain?

You didn't respond to this either.

Is it 2015 yet ?
[quote][p][bold]westside_o[/bold] wrote: OK. 2nd jobs. Why not if someone wants more for themselves/family? Isn't that natural ? Sleeping on duty. I'd rather have someone come to save my loved ones/ home/ me, who was fit and refreshed enough to do so. Do you have a pension? Ever wished it were better? If you're happy, then great. If your pension wouldn't have provided for you and your family in your old age, what would you have done ? Another job maybe ? Complain?[/p][/quote]It would seem that restoring my faith in human nature (or your own) is not one of your priorities right now. Either that, or your determination to find something good that you have said on the interweb is overwhelming you. OK. 2nd jobs. Why not if someone wants more for themselves/family? Isn't that natural ? Sleeping on duty. I'd rather have someone come to save my loved ones/ home/ me, who was fit and refreshed enough to do so. Do you have a pension? Ever wished it were better? If you're happy, then great. If your pension wouldn't have provided for you and your family in your old age, what would you have done ? Another job maybe ? Complain? You didn't respond to this either. Is it 2015 yet ? westside_o

8:12pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

Yes Billy, they were brave men and what they did for us should never be forgotten.
Our emergency service employees are brave people too.
Please don't forget them either.
Yes Billy, they were brave men and what they did for us should never be forgotten. Our emergency service employees are brave people too. Please don't forget them either. westside_o

8:17pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

PS. One last question.
Why bother writing here if you're based in York ?
PS. One last question. Why bother writing here if you're based in York ? westside_o

9:05pm Wed 1 Jan 14

westside_o says...

"They never went on strike, they did their job in dire circumstances and slept in muddy trenches, if they refused to work they would be shot as deserters. Hardly a comparison, baggy reared overweight firemen whinging about everything and brave soldiers of the Great War."



Should you ever need their assistance, even if they are "baggy reared and overweight"or had a dirty uniform ,would you complain about these traits after having saved you or a loved one?

Please think before you reply.
"They never went on strike, they did their job in dire circumstances and slept in muddy trenches, if they refused to work they would be shot as deserters. Hardly a comparison, baggy reared overweight firemen whinging about everything and brave soldiers of the Great War." Should you ever need their assistance, even if they are "baggy reared and overweight"or had a dirty uniform ,would you complain about these traits after having saved you or a loved one? Please think before you reply. westside_o

11:02pm Wed 1 Jan 14

kitty girl says...

firefighter35 wrote:
I work 48 hours a week as firefighter working shifts, that is more than the average working week of 42.7 hours for workers in the UK. I also took a pay cut to join the fire service, to do a rewarding job and help people. My take home pay is £1600 per month, so unfortunately I have to do a second job to support my family. Working a second job is not something I want to do, but I have to do to support my family. Just a shame that the majority of people believe everything they read in the papers and don't take time to find out both sides of the story. When I joined the fire service 14 years ago, the retirement age was 55 years old, it has now been increased to 60 years old. Compared to other jobs this may seem good to be able to retire at 60, however not many 60 year olds have to face the physical demands that are put on firefighter when peoples properties or lives are on the line. If a firefighter fails an annual fitness test ( VO2 of 42 - that is elite athlete standard at that age) they can be sacked on capability, lose almost half of their pension, which they then can't collect until 68 years old and have been paying into during their whole career. I pay £350 every month for my pension, which is a lot and all that I want is to get what i signed up for. The MP's pension has been changed and they are looking as though they are going to get an 11% pay rise!
I totally agree with you . We run out of building and you GREAT MEN AND WEMON run in.

What does our government want. If it was one of their building on fire and you GREAT fire personal were not fit to carry the load what would they say then. I AM VOTING FOR OUR HEROS! you along with all the 999 services should be paid more than the PM and any of the lords that our taxes go on. Including our queen.

May be we could ask our government if they would be willing to shear their pensions with you . I could go on for ever. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL AND AS ALWAYS STAY SAFE.
[quote][p][bold]firefighter35[/bold] wrote: I work 48 hours a week as firefighter working shifts, that is more than the average working week of 42.7 hours for workers in the UK. I also took a pay cut to join the fire service, to do a rewarding job and help people. My take home pay is £1600 per month, so unfortunately I have to do a second job to support my family. Working a second job is not something I want to do, but I have to do to support my family. Just a shame that the majority of people believe everything they read in the papers and don't take time to find out both sides of the story. When I joined the fire service 14 years ago, the retirement age was 55 years old, it has now been increased to 60 years old. Compared to other jobs this may seem good to be able to retire at 60, however not many 60 year olds have to face the physical demands that are put on firefighter when peoples properties or lives are on the line. If a firefighter fails an annual fitness test ( VO2 of 42 - that is elite athlete standard at that age) they can be sacked on capability, lose almost half of their pension, which they then can't collect until 68 years old and have been paying into during their whole career. I pay £350 every month for my pension, which is a lot and all that I want is to get what i signed up for. The MP's pension has been changed and they are looking as though they are going to get an 11% pay rise![/p][/quote]I totally agree with you . We run out of building and you GREAT MEN AND WEMON run in. What does our government want. If it was one of their building on fire and you GREAT fire personal were not fit to carry the load what would they say then. I AM VOTING FOR OUR HEROS! you along with all the 999 services should be paid more than the PM and any of the lords that our taxes go on. Including our queen. May be we could ask our government if they would be willing to shear their pensions with you . I could go on for ever. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL AND AS ALWAYS STAY SAFE. kitty girl

8:25am Thu 2 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Helen you know better than to try and take Cornbeefur seriously!
Helen you know better than to try and take Cornbeefur seriously! stickmanny

10:37am Thu 2 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

A desperate attempt to be taken seriously Cornbeefur
A desperate attempt to be taken seriously Cornbeefur stickmanny

4:40pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Helen, Walthamstow says...

You didn't actually answer the question, cornbeefur; namely, what (do) you think is the alternative for and to our firefighters and other frontline public service workers?

You were quick to dish out the insults about firefighters sleeping instead of working etc, but you didn't offer any alternatives. Personally, I would like to think that if my house went up in flames in the middle of the night, a crew would be in the fire station ready to come to my rescue. Whether they are playing cards when the call comes, or watching the TV or sleeping, doesn't matter to fire victims, as long as they are there. But it does mean them being away from their own homes and families. Depending on where s/he lives, a fully trained "competent" firefighter gets around £30,000 a year - not excessive in my view.

As for other workers, yes I certainly do think our nurses should be better paid. As the mother of two teachers, I know their pay is reasonable (but not excessive, as some Daily Mail readers would have you believe).
You didn't actually answer the question, cornbeefur; namely, what (do) you think is the alternative for and to our firefighters and other frontline public service workers? You were quick to dish out the insults about firefighters sleeping instead of working etc, but you didn't offer any alternatives. Personally, I would like to think that if my house went up in flames in the middle of the night, a crew would be in the fire station ready to come to my rescue. Whether they are playing cards when the call comes, or watching the TV or sleeping, doesn't matter to fire victims, as long as they are there. But it does mean them being away from their own homes and families. Depending on where s/he lives, a fully trained "competent" firefighter gets around £30,000 a year - not excessive in my view. As for other workers, yes I certainly do think our nurses should be better paid. As the mother of two teachers, I know their pay is reasonable (but not excessive, as some Daily Mail readers would have you believe). Helen, Walthamstow

10:48pm Thu 2 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

No I mean it. I'll pay you minimum wage. What do you say?
No I mean it. I'll pay you minimum wage. What do you say? stickmanny

9:23am Fri 3 Jan 14

firefighter35 says...

This clip shows the importance of a fast turnout and luckily that fire happened during the day. It may have been a totally different outcome if it was at night.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1ezpc0lQm
qA
This clip shows the importance of a fast turnout and luckily that fire happened during the day. It may have been a totally different outcome if it was at night. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1ezpc0lQm qA firefighter35

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