More than a quarter of young people surveyed said they often feel depressed

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Sey Newell is the founder and managing director of Pages Sey Newell is the founder and managing director of Pages

A quarter of young people in London suffer from depression as a result of unemployment, a report by a the Prince’s Trust has found.

The Youth Index 2014 report published today says 20 per cent of jobless Londoners between the age of 16 and 25 experienced suicidal thoughts, panic attacks, insomnia, self harm, drug-taking and drinking large amounts of alcohol as a direct result of being out of work.

One in five also said they felt like an ‘outcast’ and more than a quarter said they ‘always’ or ‘often’ feel depressed.

Waltham Forest has seen a 186 per cent increase in the number of long-term jobless young people since the beginning of the recession.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show the number of 24 year-olds claiming Job Seekers Allowance in the borough for more than six months rose from 190 in October 2008 to 545 in October 2013.

Seyi Newell, 25, of The Bramblings in Chingford, was out of work for a year before she was encouraged by her mother to contact the Prince’s Trust.

Ms Newell had previously worked in Fashion public relations, but the company collapsed.
She said: “I’ve worked since the age of 16 so when I was out of work my self esteem and confidence went through the floor. I wasn’t interacting with people or meeting my friends; I was cut off from the world.

“I began to feel frustrated and depressed. I never realised that a job was so important to me, a big part of my personality, until I had no reason to get up in the mornings.

“It got to the stage where I didn’t want to leave the house, and when I did have to go out, I’d suffer from anxiety attacks. Getting on a train in rush hour became my idea of a nightmare.

After turning to the Prince’s Trust in November 2012, Ms Newell received £3,000 in funding to set up Pages, an online book retailer that supports independent publishers, and is a Youth Ambassador for the Trust.

Nationally, the report found that young people who are long-term unemployed are more than twice as likely as their peers to believe they have nothing to live for.

The Youth Index polled 2,161 young people.

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10:29am Thu 2 Jan 14

Billy Yerache says...

This report means nothing as a bi product of drug taking and alcohol abuse is depression so what comes first the horse or the cart?
This report means nothing as a bi product of drug taking and alcohol abuse is depression so what comes first the horse or the cart? Billy Yerache

11:32am Thu 2 Jan 14

Robert19 says...

Depression and worthlessness is a serious by product of worklessness. Contrary to what rags like the Daily Mail etc say, most young people want to work. The problem is that after six months or so the depression can be overwhelming and hinder getting a job. With massive cuts in mental health services there is less and less help out there.
Depression and worthlessness is a serious by product of worklessness. Contrary to what rags like the Daily Mail etc say, most young people want to work. The problem is that after six months or so the depression can be overwhelming and hinder getting a job. With massive cuts in mental health services there is less and less help out there. Robert19

11:44am Thu 2 Jan 14

OngarRS says...

I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee? OngarRS

11:46am Thu 2 Jan 14

Billy Yerache says...

Robert19 wrote:
Depression and worthlessness is a serious by product of worklessness. Contrary to what rags like the Daily Mail etc say, most young people want to work. The problem is that after six months or so the depression can be overwhelming and hinder getting a job. With massive cuts in mental health services there is less and less help out there.
Labour's policies of pushing the young into useless University courses in film and media did not help as what was required in the work market were skills like plumbers carpenters and electricians, now being filled by our cousins from Bulgaria and so on.
[quote][p][bold]Robert19[/bold] wrote: Depression and worthlessness is a serious by product of worklessness. Contrary to what rags like the Daily Mail etc say, most young people want to work. The problem is that after six months or so the depression can be overwhelming and hinder getting a job. With massive cuts in mental health services there is less and less help out there.[/p][/quote]Labour's policies of pushing the young into useless University courses in film and media did not help as what was required in the work market were skills like plumbers carpenters and electricians, now being filled by our cousins from Bulgaria and so on. Billy Yerache

11:53am Thu 2 Jan 14

Robert19 says...

Depression and a feeling of worthlessness is a serious by product of worklessness. Contrary to what rags like the Daily Mail etc say, most young people want to work. The problem is that after six months or so the depression can be overwhelming and hinder getting a job. With massive cuts in mental health services there is less and less help out there.
Depression and a feeling of worthlessness is a serious by product of worklessness. Contrary to what rags like the Daily Mail etc say, most young people want to work. The problem is that after six months or so the depression can be overwhelming and hinder getting a job. With massive cuts in mental health services there is less and less help out there. Robert19

1:10pm Thu 2 Jan 14

tjm01 says...

OngarRS wrote:
I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
[quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude tjm01

2:01pm Thu 2 Jan 14

OngarRS says...

tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote:
I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude[/p][/quote]What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang"). OngarRS

2:23pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Billy Yerache says...

OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote:
I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").
No,if they cannot communicate in an acceptable manner and want to talk in a rap music style then I can understand an employer choosing an immigrant who speaks broken English over a youth with attitude. Last thing I would want in a restaurant is someone speaking to me like that Kevin on the Harry Enfield Show.
[quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude[/p][/quote]What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").[/p][/quote]No,if they cannot communicate in an acceptable manner and want to talk in a rap music style then I can understand an employer choosing an immigrant who speaks broken English over a youth with attitude. Last thing I would want in a restaurant is someone speaking to me like that Kevin on the Harry Enfield Show. Billy Yerache

5:18pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Redbridge person says...

We needed several people once to do some building jobs, large project, so advertised for painters, plasterers, gardeners etc....we had many applicants. Pay was 10 an hour. Unfortunately, all the uk born did not even pass interview if they even turned up!! The uk born were a mix of races. A few insisted they could not find the site...it was 7 mins walk from redbridge tube station! One turned up 3 days late and then never returned, the other seemed to want a break every 15 mins so he was fired. Inevitable all the jobs were done to a high standard by polish, latvian and krygistan nationals..
We needed several people once to do some building jobs, large project, so advertised for painters, plasterers, gardeners etc....we had many applicants. Pay was 10 an hour. Unfortunately, all the uk born did not even pass interview if they even turned up!! The uk born were a mix of races. A few insisted they could not find the site...it was 7 mins walk from redbridge tube station! One turned up 3 days late and then never returned, the other seemed to want a break every 15 mins so he was fired. Inevitable all the jobs were done to a high standard by polish, latvian and krygistan nationals.. Redbridge person

6:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Agreed. The failure is here at home: an education system that doesn't prepare kids for life, and more importantly, for parental responsibility.

A system constantly interfered with by politicians of all colours, who fund it inadequately and undervalue those that work in it.

Instead of heresay and anecdote I'd like to see some objective research that shows immigrants take jobs away from the indiginous population. There is certainly plenty of evidence to the contrary.
Agreed. The failure is here at home: an education system that doesn't prepare kids for life, and more importantly, for parental responsibility. A system constantly interfered with by politicians of all colours, who fund it inadequately and undervalue those that work in it. Instead of heresay and anecdote I'd like to see some objective research that shows immigrants take jobs away from the indiginous population. There is certainly plenty of evidence to the contrary. stickmanny

7:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Billy Yerache says...

stickmanny wrote:
Agreed. The failure is here at home: an education system that doesn't prepare kids for life, and more importantly, for parental responsibility.

A system constantly interfered with by politicians of all colours, who fund it inadequately and undervalue those that work in it.

Instead of heresay and anecdote I'd like to see some objective research that shows immigrants take jobs away from the indiginous population. There is certainly plenty of evidence to the contrary.
You would not believe an example it if it bit your backside, Redbridge Person has given you a typical example of work attitudes of the average British candidate, which can be replicated in every McDonalds, Costa, Starbucks, City of London Eateries, Deli's, Security Firm, Road Workers and so on.

They, unlike the young mollycoddled kids of today, who are wrapped up in Cotten wool from an early age, are taking advantage of the rising economy, regularly taking home a nice pay cheque every month whilst the natives stay in bed dreaming of being on X Factor or The only ways are Essex.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Agreed. The failure is here at home: an education system that doesn't prepare kids for life, and more importantly, for parental responsibility. A system constantly interfered with by politicians of all colours, who fund it inadequately and undervalue those that work in it. Instead of heresay and anecdote I'd like to see some objective research that shows immigrants take jobs away from the indiginous population. There is certainly plenty of evidence to the contrary.[/p][/quote]You would not believe an example it if it bit your backside, Redbridge Person has given you a typical example of work attitudes of the average British candidate, which can be replicated in every McDonalds, Costa, Starbucks, City of London Eateries, Deli's, Security Firm, Road Workers and so on. They, unlike the young mollycoddled kids of today, who are wrapped up in Cotten wool from an early age, are taking advantage of the rising economy, regularly taking home a nice pay cheque every month whilst the natives stay in bed dreaming of being on X Factor or The only ways are Essex. Billy Yerache

10:28pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Redbridge person says...

There is an article in the Daily Telegraph, today, and that refers to a study by a business group etc and it concludes that non british lack education, skills and work ethic compared to some eastern europeans....having employed many people over the years i think its mostly true...british born seem to lack initiative and we have had to repeat instructions to them and chase them up when on constant breaks.....so no thanks to the younger generation as it seems they have mostly the problem and not the older british.
There is an article in the Daily Telegraph, today, and that refers to a study by a business group etc and it concludes that non british lack education, skills and work ethic compared to some eastern europeans....having employed many people over the years i think its mostly true...british born seem to lack initiative and we have had to repeat instructions to them and chase them up when on constant breaks.....so no thanks to the younger generation as it seems they have mostly the problem and not the older british. Redbridge person

10:29pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Redbridge person says...

There is an article in the Daily Telegraph, today, and that refers to a study by a business group etc and it concludes that non british lack education, skills and work ethic compared to some eastern europeans....having employed many people over the years i think its mostly true...british born seem to lack initiative and we have had to repeat instructions to them and chase them up when on constant breaks.....so no thanks to the younger generation as it seems they have mostly the problem and not the older british.

meant to say the British lack the skills etc...
There is an article in the Daily Telegraph, today, and that refers to a study by a business group etc and it concludes that non british lack education, skills and work ethic compared to some eastern europeans....having employed many people over the years i think its mostly true...british born seem to lack initiative and we have had to repeat instructions to them and chase them up when on constant breaks.....so no thanks to the younger generation as it seems they have mostly the problem and not the older british. meant to say the British lack the skills etc... Redbridge person

11:14am Fri 3 Jan 14

tjm01 says...

OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").
Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none
[quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude[/p][/quote]What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").[/p][/quote]Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none tjm01

11:48am Fri 3 Jan 14

myopinioncounts says...

Is there an incentive to claim depression? When mothers wanted to get out of their tower block flats only a claim to feel suicidal was enough to get the GP to write to the council recommending rehousing . Soon any woman wanting to be rehoused was doing so thereby masking the number of those really feeling suicidal.
Is there an incentive to claim depression? When mothers wanted to get out of their tower block flats only a claim to feel suicidal was enough to get the GP to write to the council recommending rehousing . Soon any woman wanting to be rehoused was doing so thereby masking the number of those really feeling suicidal. myopinioncounts

1:22pm Fri 3 Jan 14

OngarRS says...

tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").
Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none
As I said before, I cannot believe that none of the almost 1 million under 25s wants to work - statistically, it is impossible. Prezzo (an the rest) - get one in and they "reserve" jobs for their mates when they want to come over. Yes, they may be hard-working, but so are most of our own kids. They also seem to contribute to a good portion of the local crime.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude[/p][/quote]What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").[/p][/quote]Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none[/p][/quote]As I said before, I cannot believe that none of the almost 1 million under 25s wants to work - statistically, it is impossible. Prezzo (an the rest) - get one in and they "reserve" jobs for their mates when they want to come over. Yes, they may be hard-working, but so are most of our own kids. They also seem to contribute to a good portion of the local crime. OngarRS

2:34pm Fri 3 Jan 14

tjm01 says...

OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").
Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none
As I said before, I cannot believe that none of the almost 1 million under 25s wants to work - statistically, it is impossible. Prezzo (an the rest) - get one in and they "reserve" jobs for their mates when they want to come over. Yes, they may be hard-working, but so are most of our own kids. They also seem to contribute to a good portion of the local crime.
Please re-read my posts I am not suggesting that all of the 1 Million under 25s do not want to work, what I am suggesting is that if people from within the EU are prepared to leave their country of origin to make a better life for themselves and their families and have the ability, drive, and more important the desire to work how can you use this as a defence for the large amount of under 25s who can if they so choose to apply for the very same jobs that these immigrants apply for and secure, unemployment is not something the Eastern Europeans have invented it is a life stye which far too many of todays youth choose as an easy option, so lets face reallity, have a long hard look at the majority of todays youth many choose to opt out of education, many have a limited vocabulary,and many choose a life of crime, and of course some are just downright lazy lets not try to defend the undefendable by attempting to lay the blame at the feet of those who are prepared to work hard to earn a decent and honest living
Just an afterthought your comment on Prezzo I think blows your thieory to pieces, employers do not reserve jobs unless they are confident the people applying will be hard working, this may be the reason some of todays youth are considered to be unemployable
[quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude[/p][/quote]What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").[/p][/quote]Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none[/p][/quote]As I said before, I cannot believe that none of the almost 1 million under 25s wants to work - statistically, it is impossible. Prezzo (an the rest) - get one in and they "reserve" jobs for their mates when they want to come over. Yes, they may be hard-working, but so are most of our own kids. They also seem to contribute to a good portion of the local crime.[/p][/quote]Please re-read my posts I am not suggesting that all of the 1 Million under 25s do not want to work, what I am suggesting is that if people from within the EU are prepared to leave their country of origin to make a better life for themselves and their families and have the ability, drive, and more important the desire to work how can you use this as a defence for the large amount of under 25s who can if they so choose to apply for the very same jobs that these immigrants apply for and secure, unemployment is not something the Eastern Europeans have invented it is a life stye which far too many of todays youth choose as an easy option, so lets face reallity, have a long hard look at the majority of todays youth many choose to opt out of education, many have a limited vocabulary,and many choose a life of crime, and of course some are just downright lazy lets not try to defend the undefendable by attempting to lay the blame at the feet of those who are prepared to work hard to earn a decent and honest living Just an afterthought your comment on Prezzo I think blows your thieory to pieces, employers do not reserve jobs unless they are confident the people applying will be hard working, this may be the reason some of todays youth are considered to be unemployable tjm01

8:33pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Compton Akers says...

Let us not forget the older jobless also in their difficult times.
Let us not forget the older jobless also in their difficult times. Compton Akers

11:11pm Fri 3 Jan 14

OngarRS says...

tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote:
tjm01 wrote:
OngarRS wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?
The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude
What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").
Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none
As I said before, I cannot believe that none of the almost 1 million under 25s wants to work - statistically, it is impossible. Prezzo (an the rest) - get one in and they "reserve" jobs for their mates when they want to come over. Yes, they may be hard-working, but so are most of our own kids. They also seem to contribute to a good portion of the local crime.
Please re-read my posts I am not suggesting that all of the 1 Million under 25s do not want to work, what I am suggesting is that if people from within the EU are prepared to leave their country of origin to make a better life for themselves and their families and have the ability, drive, and more important the desire to work how can you use this as a defence for the large amount of under 25s who can if they so choose to apply for the very same jobs that these immigrants apply for and secure, unemployment is not something the Eastern Europeans have invented it is a life stye which far too many of todays youth choose as an easy option, so lets face reallity, have a long hard look at the majority of todays youth many choose to opt out of education, many have a limited vocabulary,and many choose a life of crime, and of course some are just downright lazy lets not try to defend the undefendable by attempting to lay the blame at the feet of those who are prepared to work hard to earn a decent and honest living
Just an afterthought your comment on Prezzo I think blows your thieory to pieces, employers do not reserve jobs unless they are confident the people applying will be hard working, this may be the reason some of todays youth are considered to be unemployable
they are willing to live ten to a house and, therefore, can afford to take lower wages. It is an unfair playing field. Employers do not reserve jobs, but the managers DO reserve jobs for their east european mates - fact.
[quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tjm01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OngarRS[/bold] wrote: I get depressed reading about the thousands of youngsters who are on the dole with no hope, so can't imagine what it must be like to actually live like that. Why do we keep letting in east European immigrants to take these jobs?. This is probably the major argument for stopping ALL immigration, or at least a suspension until we get our youngsters back in work. Mr Vaz, perhaps you would like to come and shake hands with these youngsters, and buy them a cup of coffee?[/p][/quote]The so called jobs which the Eastern Europeans are taking have been available for years and if todays youngsters really wanted to work there is work out there, its more about wanting to work as opposed to there being no jobs available, a very large number of todays youth find it difficult to converse in a manner that many of todays employers find acceptable, I would rather employ someone who maybe does not have English as their first language rather than someone who mixes street slang with attitude[/p][/quote]What cr@p. There are nearly a million (official figures) under 25s unemployed. Are you seriously saying that they are all workshy? Please go to somewhere like "Prezzo" and see if you can get a job if you are English - no chance. Our youth are cut out of many potential jobs due to immigrants blocking those jobs. The statistics say it all - a million young adults cannot all be afraid of hard work - they just need a chance (whether or not they speak "street slang").[/p][/quote]Do you honestly belive that the immigrants(your term not mine) are the reason todays youth can not find work, as I have said in my previous post a large number (not all) of todays youth have become unemployable, they lack the drive to achive,they have little if no ambition,and present themselves in a manner that gives them very little chance of securing employment, ask yourself one question why is it that companies like Prezzo do not want to employ English people? could it be one or possibly all of the reasons above, one things for certain the people who chose to work in such estabishments do so because they WANT to work and in most cases will have an additional job as well, how many of your so called English under 25s would do the same your statistics suggest none[/p][/quote]As I said before, I cannot believe that none of the almost 1 million under 25s wants to work - statistically, it is impossible. Prezzo (an the rest) - get one in and they "reserve" jobs for their mates when they want to come over. Yes, they may be hard-working, but so are most of our own kids. They also seem to contribute to a good portion of the local crime.[/p][/quote]Please re-read my posts I am not suggesting that all of the 1 Million under 25s do not want to work, what I am suggesting is that if people from within the EU are prepared to leave their country of origin to make a better life for themselves and their families and have the ability, drive, and more important the desire to work how can you use this as a defence for the large amount of under 25s who can if they so choose to apply for the very same jobs that these immigrants apply for and secure, unemployment is not something the Eastern Europeans have invented it is a life stye which far too many of todays youth choose as an easy option, so lets face reallity, have a long hard look at the majority of todays youth many choose to opt out of education, many have a limited vocabulary,and many choose a life of crime, and of course some are just downright lazy lets not try to defend the undefendable by attempting to lay the blame at the feet of those who are prepared to work hard to earn a decent and honest living Just an afterthought your comment on Prezzo I think blows your thieory to pieces, employers do not reserve jobs unless they are confident the people applying will be hard working, this may be the reason some of todays youth are considered to be unemployable[/p][/quote]they are willing to live ten to a house and, therefore, can afford to take lower wages. It is an unfair playing field. Employers do not reserve jobs, but the managers DO reserve jobs for their east european mates - fact. OngarRS

11:27pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Compton Akers says...

Do not blame the East Euro's, you cannot legislate how many people they want to share accommodation with. Blame the EEC for the system.
Do not blame the East Euro's, you cannot legislate how many people they want to share accommodation with. Blame the EEC for the system. Compton Akers

3:35pm Sat 4 Jan 14

OngarRS says...

Compton Akers wrote:
Do not blame the East Euro's, you cannot legislate how many people they want to share accommodation with. Blame the EEC for the system.
I don't blame people for wanting to better themselves. You may find it hard to believe, but I have friends from eastern Europe who came here in the early 2000s, and have pretty much settled. Individually, they are, generally, pleasant and hard-working. However, my argument is that we have no chance of removing almost a million unemployed youngsters from the dole, unless we stop or slow-down immigration. Once we have reduced the unemployment, then we can re-consider immigration. I also agree that a carrot and stick approach is required to get many off the dole.

As ever, the fault is with our pathetic excuse for a government.
[quote][p][bold]Compton Akers[/bold] wrote: Do not blame the East Euro's, you cannot legislate how many people they want to share accommodation with. Blame the EEC for the system.[/p][/quote]I don't blame people for wanting to better themselves. You may find it hard to believe, but I have friends from eastern Europe who came here in the early 2000s, and have pretty much settled. Individually, they are, generally, pleasant and hard-working. However, my argument is that we have no chance of removing almost a million unemployed youngsters from the dole, unless we stop or slow-down immigration. Once we have reduced the unemployment, then we can re-consider immigration. I also agree that a carrot and stick approach is required to get many off the dole. As ever, the fault is with our pathetic excuse for a government. OngarRS

4:39pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Snoogans says...

You can play a good game on this site of 'Read The Headline, Guess The First Comment'. It might be worth printing them and making a real game, it could be the new Balderdash.
You can play a good game on this site of 'Read The Headline, Guess The First Comment'. It might be worth printing them and making a real game, it could be the new Balderdash. Snoogans

5:15pm Fri 10 Jan 14

emi ni o says...

Young people like Seyi Newell make older people feel proud of them! It's normal to want to contribute to the good of society. It shows a sense of self-worth and responsibility to make the effort to get it done. I've visited Seyi's pages and can see she puts her all into her work. Kudos to the Prince's Trust! I pray that many other young people will benefit from the help they give and do the Trust proud as Seyi certainly has.
Young people like Seyi Newell make older people feel proud of them! It's normal to want to contribute to the good of society. It shows a sense of self-worth and responsibility to make the effort to get it done. I've visited Seyi's pages and can see she puts her all into her work. Kudos to the Prince's Trust! I pray that many other young people will benefit from the help they give and do the Trust proud as Seyi certainly has. emi ni o

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