Over the Christmas period, Eat or Heat received 40 referrals a week

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Gary Nash is chairman and co-counder of Eat or Heat Gary Nash is chairman and co-counder of Eat or Heat

Gary Nash, chairman and co-founder of the Waltham Forest-based Eat or Heat food bank, says the number of referrals is rising and food poverty amongst children is getting worse.

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5:58pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Compton Akers says...

I do not believe that the problem is as bad as some individuals make out and this is case of demand being fuelled by supply, and availability of theses food banks being initiated.
I do not believe that the problem is as bad as some individuals make out and this is case of demand being fuelled by supply, and availability of theses food banks being initiated. Compton Akers

6:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ollie J says...

Not quite the case Compton as people need to receive a referral to a food bank, either from particular charities or social services, you can't just turn up and pick up food.

My partner is a teacher and he's now taking in bags of food for his children to eat before starting class as otherwise they would be too hungry to concentrate. Anyone thinking this is some kind of made up problem is not living in the real world.

I do wonder though what the long-term impact of food banks is in that they alleviate some of the pressue on social services and allow the government to continue to make swingeing cuts knowing that, in many cases, the very worst off will at least not starve or voicifourously complain. Do they allow more cuts to take place in the long run? That said, leaving people without food is cruel so it's very much a win/win for a government ideologues intent on pressing ahead with cuts with nary a care for the means and only an eye on the ends. A shocking state of affairs and Labour should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen without raising the alarm.
Not quite the case Compton as people need to receive a referral to a food bank, either from particular charities or social services, you can't just turn up and pick up food. My partner is a teacher and he's now taking in bags of food for his children to eat before starting class as otherwise they would be too hungry to concentrate. Anyone thinking this is some kind of made up problem is not living in the real world. I do wonder though what the long-term impact of food banks is in that they alleviate some of the pressue on social services and allow the government to continue to make swingeing cuts knowing that, in many cases, the very worst off will at least not starve or voicifourously complain. Do they allow more cuts to take place in the long run? That said, leaving people without food is cruel so it's very much a win/win for a government ideologues intent on pressing ahead with cuts with nary a care for the means and only an eye on the ends. A shocking state of affairs and Labour should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen without raising the alarm. Ollie J

6:40pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Watch out Ollie - Compton is Cornbeefur the arch-troll. He bought a new name in the sales.
Watch out Ollie - Compton is Cornbeefur the arch-troll. He bought a new name in the sales. stickmanny

6:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Ollie J says...

Duly noted! Thanks for the heads-up. I won't waste my time next time.
Duly noted! Thanks for the heads-up. I won't waste my time next time. Ollie J

6:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Helen, Walthamstow says...

stickmanny wrote:
Watch out Ollie - Compton is Cornbeefur the arch-troll. He bought a new name in the sales.
It might even have been two for the price of one. New poster saladina also sounds very like him.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Watch out Ollie - Compton is Cornbeefur the arch-troll. He bought a new name in the sales.[/p][/quote]It might even have been two for the price of one. New poster saladina also sounds very like him. Helen, Walthamstow

8:33pm Mon 6 Jan 14

WalthamWabbit says...

Don't take any notice of user "Helen" Ollie, she tends to describe anyone as a "Troll" who does not agree with her view of the world.
Don't take any notice of user "Helen" Ollie, she tends to describe anyone as a "Troll" who does not agree with her view of the world. WalthamWabbit

8:34pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Helen, Walthamstow says...

WalthamWabbit wrote:
Don't take any notice of user "Helen" Ollie, she tends to describe anyone as a "Troll" who does not agree with her view of the world.
Ollie, Wabbit is one of his other names.
[quote][p][bold]WalthamWabbit[/bold] wrote: Don't take any notice of user "Helen" Ollie, she tends to describe anyone as a "Troll" who does not agree with her view of the world.[/p][/quote]Ollie, Wabbit is one of his other names. Helen, Walthamstow

8:37pm Mon 6 Jan 14

WalthamWabbit says...

I told you so, Ollie.
I told you so, Ollie. WalthamWabbit

8:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Deep down inside Cornbeefur there must be some awful pain
Deep down inside Cornbeefur there must be some awful pain stickmanny

8:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

WalthamWabbit says...

Deep down inside stickmanny... oh no there is no deep because he/she/it is as Shallow as they come.
Deep down inside stickmanny... oh no there is no deep because he/she/it is as Shallow as they come. WalthamWabbit

8:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

but I never plus one my own posts
but I never plus one my own posts stickmanny

8:54pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

or use fake accounts to plus one my own posts
or use fake accounts to plus one my own posts stickmanny

9:01pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Compton Akers says...

Ollie J wrote:
Not quite the case Compton as people need to receive a referral to a food bank, either from particular charities or social services, you can't just turn up and pick up food.

My partner is a teacher and he's now taking in bags of food for his children to eat before starting class as otherwise they would be too hungry to concentrate. Anyone thinking this is some kind of made up problem is not living in the real world.

I do wonder though what the long-term impact of food banks is in that they alleviate some of the pressue on social services and allow the government to continue to make swingeing cuts knowing that, in many cases, the very worst off will at least not starve or voicifourously complain. Do they allow more cuts to take place in the long run? That said, leaving people without food is cruel so it's very much a win/win for a government ideologues intent on pressing ahead with cuts with nary a care for the means and only an eye on the ends. A shocking state of affairs and Labour should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen without raising the alarm.
It is quite true that these banks actually began during Labours time in office, where after 12 years in power they failed to tackle the poverty that they banged drums about to gain power in the first place. Contrast this with Tony Bliars latest yearly income reportedly meant to be 13 more million and the fact that he has bought his top educated children their own properties worth over a million each, it beggars belief that people still vote for them after only 3 years out of government after all the mess they left behind.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie J[/bold] wrote: Not quite the case Compton as people need to receive a referral to a food bank, either from particular charities or social services, you can't just turn up and pick up food. My partner is a teacher and he's now taking in bags of food for his children to eat before starting class as otherwise they would be too hungry to concentrate. Anyone thinking this is some kind of made up problem is not living in the real world. I do wonder though what the long-term impact of food banks is in that they alleviate some of the pressue on social services and allow the government to continue to make swingeing cuts knowing that, in many cases, the very worst off will at least not starve or voicifourously complain. Do they allow more cuts to take place in the long run? That said, leaving people without food is cruel so it's very much a win/win for a government ideologues intent on pressing ahead with cuts with nary a care for the means and only an eye on the ends. A shocking state of affairs and Labour should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen without raising the alarm.[/p][/quote]It is quite true that these banks actually began during Labours time in office, where after 12 years in power they failed to tackle the poverty that they banged drums about to gain power in the first place. Contrast this with Tony Bliars latest yearly income reportedly meant to be 13 more million and the fact that he has bought his top educated children their own properties worth over a million each, it beggars belief that people still vote for them after only 3 years out of government after all the mess they left behind. Compton Akers

9:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Compton Akers says...

Why are the authorities not investigating why these children are not being provided for by their parents or guardians? There was a case recently, where a small Lad from a Polish background was effectively starved by his parents. He was evidently rifling the class dustbin for food. Criticism was made by the court as to why there was no intervention by any staff and had there been, he might have been saved. If nothing is done to investigate such situations properly, more children may die like this poor child did. To rely on food banks to deal with serious underlying issues is not enough. Where is the money these families are getting going? Drink and drugs maybe?

The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?

There seems to be a willingness to skim across matters rather than properly and effectively deal with matters and cite food banks as it serves a political purpose.

There were always kids at schools in the 70's who obviously were from poorer backgrounds and who did not have what other kids had but there were always free school meals for them and this is still the case. There is no reason for kids to starve in this country in this day and age and even if they only have one decent meal at school, they will not starve.

This 'starving children' point contradicts other facts regarding rising child obesity levels and whilst I would accept that there may be a few cases, they are not that great in number and any such incidents should be treated as potential child neglect, instead of trying to gain political points with food banks.
Why are the authorities not investigating why these children are not being provided for by their parents or guardians? There was a case recently, where a small Lad from a Polish background was effectively starved by his parents. He was evidently rifling the class dustbin for food. Criticism was made by the court as to why there was no intervention by any staff and had there been, he might have been saved. If nothing is done to investigate such situations properly, more children may die like this poor child did. To rely on food banks to deal with serious underlying issues is not enough. Where is the money these families are getting going? Drink and drugs maybe? The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens? There seems to be a willingness to skim across matters rather than properly and effectively deal with matters and cite food banks as it serves a political purpose. There were always kids at schools in the 70's who obviously were from poorer backgrounds and who did not have what other kids had but there were always free school meals for them and this is still the case. There is no reason for kids to starve in this country in this day and age and even if they only have one decent meal at school, they will not starve. This 'starving children' point contradicts other facts regarding rising child obesity levels and whilst I would accept that there may be a few cases, they are not that great in number and any such incidents should be treated as potential child neglect, instead of trying to gain political points with food banks. Compton Akers

9:33pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

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9:14am Tue 7 Jan 14

Ollie J says...

"The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?"

I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.
"The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?" I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this. Ollie J

9:46am Tue 7 Jan 14

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Ollie J wrote:
"The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?"

I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.
Since you are talking about before class, I think you mean not funded for this, though primary schools do receive boxes of fruit for their younger pupils' mid- morning break.

In addition, most primary schools run breakfast clubs where food is provided fir pupils who are known to have needs or identified as getting no breakfast to speak of at home and tea time clubs.

Free school meals are provided at midday for children whose families are on the appropriate benefits.

Families suspected by staff of neglecting or abusing their children, nutritionally or otherwise, are reported to social services. The odd child slips through the net, but the vast majority are dealt with appropriately.

Cornbeefur aka Wabbit, Akers et al as always indicates his ignorance about a topic he insists on commenting upon.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie J[/bold] wrote: "The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?" I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.[/p][/quote]Since you are talking about before class, I think you mean not funded for this, though primary schools do receive boxes of fruit for their younger pupils' mid- morning break. In addition, most primary schools run breakfast clubs where food is provided fir pupils who are known to have needs or identified as getting no breakfast to speak of at home and tea time clubs. Free school meals are provided at midday for children whose families are on the appropriate benefits. Families suspected by staff of neglecting or abusing their children, nutritionally or otherwise, are reported to social services. The odd child slips through the net, but the vast majority are dealt with appropriately. Cornbeefur aka Wabbit, Akers et al as always indicates his ignorance about a topic he insists on commenting upon. Helen, Walthamstow

11:32am Tue 7 Jan 14

Compton Akers says...

Ollie J wrote:
"The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?"

I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.
It is commendable that your partner is buying food but this good will must be fraught with perils of giving certain foods to children with allergies and is he not leaving himself on offer by doing so? My experience with institutions like This is that when mistakes are made, even if the matter has been done in good faith, the higherarchy are quick to leave you out to dry. So if ony a few 'slip the net' is this problem as great as is claimed? Are the issues more to do within the household and mismanagement of finances and budget?
[quote][p][bold]Ollie J[/bold] wrote: "The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?" I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.[/p][/quote]It is commendable that your partner is buying food but this good will must be fraught with perils of giving certain foods to children with allergies and is he not leaving himself on offer by doing so? My experience with institutions like This is that when mistakes are made, even if the matter has been done in good faith, the higherarchy are quick to leave you out to dry. So if ony a few 'slip the net' is this problem as great as is claimed? Are the issues more to do within the household and mismanagement of finances and budget? Compton Akers

11:40am Tue 7 Jan 14

Alan_1976 says...

Compton Akers wrote:
Ollie J wrote:
"The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?"

I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.
It is commendable that your partner is buying food but this good will must be fraught with perils of giving certain foods to children with allergies and is he not leaving himself on offer by doing so? My experience with institutions like This is that when mistakes are made, even if the matter has been done in good faith, the higherarchy are quick to leave you out to dry. So if ony a few 'slip the net' is this problem as great as is claimed? Are the issues more to do within the household and mismanagement of finances and budget?
New year. New Cornbeefur sock puppet. Same old trolling
[quote][p][bold]Compton Akers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ollie J[/bold] wrote: "The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?" I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.[/p][/quote]It is commendable that your partner is buying food but this good will must be fraught with perils of giving certain foods to children with allergies and is he not leaving himself on offer by doing so? My experience with institutions like This is that when mistakes are made, even if the matter has been done in good faith, the higherarchy are quick to leave you out to dry. So if ony a few 'slip the net' is this problem as great as is claimed? Are the issues more to do within the household and mismanagement of finances and budget?[/p][/quote]New year. New Cornbeefur sock puppet. Same old trolling Alan_1976

1:06pm Tue 7 Jan 14

saladina says...

If the refer is for the good intent then this is very good but not for buck passing.
If the refer is for the good intent then this is very good but not for buck passing. saladina

1:08pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Alan_1976 says...

saladina wrote:
If the refer is for the good intent then this is very good but not for buck passing.
I mistyped. Sock puppetS plural
[quote][p][bold]saladina[/bold] wrote: If the refer is for the good intent then this is very good but not for buck passing.[/p][/quote]I mistyped. Sock puppetS plural Alan_1976

4:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

NDevoto says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Compton Akers wrote:
Ollie J wrote:
"The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?"

I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.
It is commendable that your partner is buying food but this good will must be fraught with perils of giving certain foods to children with allergies and is he not leaving himself on offer by doing so? My experience with institutions like This is that when mistakes are made, even if the matter has been done in good faith, the higherarchy are quick to leave you out to dry. So if ony a few 'slip the net' is this problem as great as is claimed? Are the issues more to do within the household and mismanagement of finances and budget?
New year. New Cornbeefur sock puppet. Same old trolling
Yet another fail from Cornbeefur/Waltham Wabbit/Compton Akkers et al.
Hilarious how he is so bad at sock puppetry he gets found out every time!
-
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Compton Akers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ollie J[/bold] wrote: "The second point is why are the teachers feeding these children from food banks when it would be far better to give the children who are hungry a hot meal prepared in the school kitchens?" I think you misunderstood me, my partner is buying food not collecting it from a food bank. Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this.[/p][/quote]It is commendable that your partner is buying food but this good will must be fraught with perils of giving certain foods to children with allergies and is he not leaving himself on offer by doing so? My experience with institutions like This is that when mistakes are made, even if the matter has been done in good faith, the higherarchy are quick to leave you out to dry. So if ony a few 'slip the net' is this problem as great as is claimed? Are the issues more to do within the household and mismanagement of finances and budget?[/p][/quote]New year. New Cornbeefur sock puppet. Same old trolling[/p][/quote]Yet another fail from Cornbeefur/Waltham Wabbit/Compton Akkers et al. Hilarious how he is so bad at sock puppetry he gets found out every time! - NDevoto

12:19pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Ollie J says...

" Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this."

Apologies, yes I did mean 'not funded'!
" Yes, it would be better for schools to provide the food but they are funded for this." Apologies, yes I did mean 'not funded'! Ollie J

2:34pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Snoogans says...

Its easy to spot Cornbeefur's aliases as he normally always posts first.

We'd miss him if he was gone forever though.......wouldn'
t we?
Its easy to spot Cornbeefur's aliases as he normally always posts first. We'd miss him if he was gone forever though.......wouldn' t we? Snoogans

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