Residents of Groves Lane in Chigwell left disappointed after housing plan vote

People campaigning against the conversion of stables into homes on green belt land left a public meeting disappointed after councillors voted not to back them.

About 20 people living in Groves Lane, Chigwell, filled the parish council offices last night for a discussion on developer Elliot Pommerance’s plans to demolish stables and build six large two-storey houses.

Speakers raised concerns over traffic and what was described as the “destruction of one the last “true country lanes” in the district.

But five of the seven councillors present voted not to register an objection to the plans, with one warning that the site could be used for a greater density of housing.

Councillor John Knapmann added: “I honestly believe that this site will go at some point.

“That particular site is large enough for thirty houses. If you can be in control and actually have a smaller development, we would be far happier with that type of situation.

“It is a brown field site on green belt land and I cannot object.”

Councillor Roger Farthing for Chigwell Row added: “I don’t think you realise the amount of transport that it will generate if 40 liveries were rented out.”

Some members of the public accused the councillors of scaremongering and said they were disappointed with the outcome of the vote.

The final decision on the planning application will be made by Epping Forest District Council’s Planning Committee South.

 

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9:55am Sat 11 Jan 14

MICHAEL MCGOUGH says...

Sometimes one wonders what councillors are for if not to protect residents' interests.
Sometimes one wonders what councillors are for if not to protect residents' interests. MICHAEL MCGOUGH
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7:25pm Sat 11 Jan 14

jamieb5058 says...

Chigwell needs houses and this site looks perfectly reasonable. I would much rather see a small infill site developed than open fields.

These residents need to stop being so naive no body has a right to a view and things change and move forward!
Chigwell needs houses and this site looks perfectly reasonable. I would much rather see a small infill site developed than open fields. These residents need to stop being so naive no body has a right to a view and things change and move forward! jamieb5058
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9:55am Sun 12 Jan 14

Cubana says...

Vote them out at the next election!
Vote them out at the next election! Cubana
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4:34pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jackblack007 says...

Cubana wrote:
Vote them out at the next election!
vote them out for what exactly ? being right for a change ?
[quote][p][bold]Cubana[/bold] wrote: Vote them out at the next election![/p][/quote]vote them out for what exactly ? being right for a change ? jackblack007
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7:02am Mon 13 Jan 14

pan says...

jackblack007 wrote:
Cubana wrote:
Vote them out at the next election!
vote them out for what exactly ? being right for a change ?
Councillors do intimate to people during elections that they will listen to and act in the interests of the residents that are seeking support and votes from.
So it follows that people will be angry when they are not listened to or their views are not considered.

You / we / I hear a lot about community involvement being of paramount importance and consideration but just recently there have been a few issues where residents wishes have counted for nothing.

You might well be happy with change,happy to build and so on, that's your right but that does not mean that you automatically have the right to dismiss others concerns.

If you buy a house, the biggest purchase of your life in a carefully chosen area, make a home, raise a family you want to feel that things around you are not going to change so significantly that you have to move on.

Many people do vote because they listen to what the councillors say they are going to do and that in practice can be very different to what they really do when push comes to shove.

Change doesn't always mean for the better , progression is not always positive and people have the right to be cautious and wary. Not everyone wants to live in towns that are going through a "transition" stage.
[quote][p][bold]jackblack007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cubana[/bold] wrote: Vote them out at the next election![/p][/quote]vote them out for what exactly ? being right for a change ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do intimate to people during elections that they will listen to and act in the interests of the residents that are seeking support and votes from. So it follows that people will be angry when they are not listened to or their views are not considered. You / we / I hear a lot about community involvement being of paramount importance and consideration but just recently there have been a few issues where residents wishes have counted for nothing. You might well be happy with change,happy to build and so on, that's your right but that does not mean that you automatically have the right to dismiss others concerns. If you buy a house, the biggest purchase of your life in a carefully chosen area, make a home, raise a family you want to feel that things around you are not going to change so significantly that you have to move on. Many people do vote because they listen to what the councillors say they are going to do and that in practice can be very different to what they really do when push comes to shove. Change doesn't always mean for the better , progression is not always positive and people have the right to be cautious and wary. Not everyone wants to live in towns that are going through a "transition" stage. pan
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12:34pm Mon 13 Jan 14

jackblack007 says...

pan wrote:
jackblack007 wrote:
Cubana wrote:
Vote them out at the next election!
vote them out for what exactly ? being right for a change ?
Councillors do intimate to people during elections that they will listen to and act in the interests of the residents that are seeking support and votes from.
So it follows that people will be angry when they are not listened to or their views are not considered.

You / we / I hear a lot about community involvement being of paramount importance and consideration but just recently there have been a few issues where residents wishes have counted for nothing.

You might well be happy with change,happy to build and so on, that's your right but that does not mean that you automatically have the right to dismiss others concerns.

If you buy a house, the biggest purchase of your life in a carefully chosen area, make a home, raise a family you want to feel that things around you are not going to change so significantly that you have to move on.

Many people do vote because they listen to what the councillors say they are going to do and that in practice can be very different to what they really do when push comes to shove.

Change doesn't always mean for the better , progression is not always positive and people have the right to be cautious and wary. Not everyone wants to live in towns that are going through a "transition" stage.
nice sentiments, but everything changes, the way we shop, the schools we send our kids to, where and how we live. the restaurants we go to. im not saying that we should ride roughshod over peoples feelings and wishes but
we just cant dismiss everything either
[quote][p][bold]pan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackblack007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cubana[/bold] wrote: Vote them out at the next election![/p][/quote]vote them out for what exactly ? being right for a change ?[/p][/quote]Councillors do intimate to people during elections that they will listen to and act in the interests of the residents that are seeking support and votes from. So it follows that people will be angry when they are not listened to or their views are not considered. You / we / I hear a lot about community involvement being of paramount importance and consideration but just recently there have been a few issues where residents wishes have counted for nothing. You might well be happy with change,happy to build and so on, that's your right but that does not mean that you automatically have the right to dismiss others concerns. If you buy a house, the biggest purchase of your life in a carefully chosen area, make a home, raise a family you want to feel that things around you are not going to change so significantly that you have to move on. Many people do vote because they listen to what the councillors say they are going to do and that in practice can be very different to what they really do when push comes to shove. Change doesn't always mean for the better , progression is not always positive and people have the right to be cautious and wary. Not everyone wants to live in towns that are going through a "transition" stage.[/p][/quote]nice sentiments, but everything changes, the way we shop, the schools we send our kids to, where and how we live. the restaurants we go to. im not saying that we should ride roughshod over peoples feelings and wishes but we just cant dismiss everything either jackblack007
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4:48pm Tue 14 Jan 14

pan says...

Everything changes because of that attitude. There is nothing to say that we have to accept or welcome expansion of our towns and villages.

Areas such as this have been fairly stable for a reasonably long period of time and the only reason we are having to accept major change is because London has become so over crowded.

So its not for the benefit of our area or for our residents that we have to look to such heavy development now its because of other areas and we have to deal with the overspill.
Everything changes because of that attitude. There is nothing to say that we have to accept or welcome expansion of our towns and villages. Areas such as this have been fairly stable for a reasonably long period of time and the only reason we are having to accept major change is because London has become so over crowded. So its not for the benefit of our area or for our residents that we have to look to such heavy development now its because of other areas and we have to deal with the overspill. pan
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10:28pm Tue 14 Jan 14

jackblack007 says...

pan wrote:
Everything changes because of that attitude. There is nothing to say that we have to accept or welcome expansion of our towns and villages.

Areas such as this have been fairly stable for a reasonably long period of time and the only reason we are having to accept major change is because London has become so over crowded.

So its not for the benefit of our area or for our residents that we have to look to such heavy development now its because of other areas and we have to deal with the overspill.
but its a fact of life though, as much as we dont like it
[quote][p][bold]pan[/bold] wrote: Everything changes because of that attitude. There is nothing to say that we have to accept or welcome expansion of our towns and villages. Areas such as this have been fairly stable for a reasonably long period of time and the only reason we are having to accept major change is because London has become so over crowded. So its not for the benefit of our area or for our residents that we have to look to such heavy development now its because of other areas and we have to deal with the overspill.[/p][/quote]but its a fact of life though, as much as we dont like it jackblack007
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