Commuters could be charged up to twice as much to travel on the Chingford to Liverpool Street line

Commuters could be facing a massive hike in ticket prices

Commuters could be facing a massive hike in ticket prices

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The cost of season tickets could rise dramatically when Transport for London (TfL) takes over the Chingford to Liverpool Street train line.

The massive price hike looks set to apply when the line, which runs through Highams Park and Walthamstow, becomes part of the Overground network next year.

Commuters currently have the option to buy tickets to travel between stations, which make the cost of weekly, monthly, or annual season tickets considerably cheaper than if they were charged by zone, as on other TfL lines.

The cost of a Greater Anglia standard adult annual season ticket from Chingford to Liverpool Street will cost £1,560.00 as of january 19.

However, if the line becomes zonal, commuters on the same journey will see a 37 per cent increase to £2,136.00 for a standard adult annual zone 1 to 5 season ticket.

A standard adult annual season ticket from Highams Park (zone 4) to Liverpool Street (zone 1) costs £1,216.00. The same journey will cost £584.00 extra if commuters are forced to buy a standard adult zone 1 to 4 annual travelcard.

Chingford MP Iain Duncan Smith is to request a meeting with TfL bosses to discuss the issue.

He said: “I think that we would want to look at this very carefully and talk to TfL about what exactly they would be looking to do with the fares, as it would be wrong to see such a swinging increase.

"I will be requesting a meeting with TfL very shortly and will press them for assurances.”

Councillor Thom Goddard, of Chingford Green ward, admitted there is concern over the possible price hike.

He said: “This is a worry and I have written to TfL for clarification, but had no response.

“I also asked them why Chingford Rail Station is Zone 5 but Chingford Bus Station is Zone 4.

“If Chingford Rail Station was brought in line with the bus station this may save our commuters some money.”

TfL’s Director of London Overground, Mike Stubbs said: “We are working with the Department for Transport and Abellio Greater Anglia to deliver a full transfer in 2015.

“It is our intention that these services will become part of the London Overground network, which is now one of the most reliable railways with some of the highest levels of customer satisfaction across the UK.

“We are currently in the process of determining what further improvements need to be made at stations and on trains on the routes and a programme to deliver these once the railway has transferred.

“However, from day one TfL and its operator will deliver passenger benefits such as staff at all stations during hours of service and full integration with TfL services including travel information and planning tools.”

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1:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

John J C Moss says...

The WAGN "season ticket" prices quoted only cover the journey to and from Liverpool Street, so this comparison is skewed.

I don't know many people who ONLY travel in to an out of Liverpool Street with no onward tube or bus journeys.
The WAGN "season ticket" prices quoted only cover the journey to and from Liverpool Street, so this comparison is skewed. I don't know many people who ONLY travel in to an out of Liverpool Street with no onward tube or bus journeys. John J C Moss
  • Score: -12

1:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

TerryMack says...

John JC Moss.

Many people do. I live in Walthamstow and work in the City. I buy a weekly return to Liverpool street as do many others that I know, at a cost of £22.50 per week. As I do not use any other public transport, I personally do not see why I should have to pay for a multipurpose zonal ticket which I would not use.
John JC Moss. Many people do. I live in Walthamstow and work in the City. I buy a weekly return to Liverpool street as do many others that I know, at a cost of £22.50 per week. As I do not use any other public transport, I personally do not see why I should have to pay for a multipurpose zonal ticket which I would not use. TerryMack
  • Score: 15

2:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Alan_1976 says...

John J C Moss wrote:
The WAGN "season ticket" prices quoted only cover the journey to and from Liverpool Street, so this comparison is skewed.

I don't know many people who ONLY travel in to an out of Liverpool Street with no onward tube or bus journeys.
Liverpool Street Station is so far from any major business centres. Hardly know why they bothered building a tube stop there. Should have built it near a major financial and business centre like Liverpool Street...
[quote][p][bold]John J C Moss[/bold] wrote: The WAGN "season ticket" prices quoted only cover the journey to and from Liverpool Street, so this comparison is skewed. I don't know many people who ONLY travel in to an out of Liverpool Street with no onward tube or bus journeys.[/p][/quote]Liverpool Street Station is so far from any major business centres. Hardly know why they bothered building a tube stop there. Should have built it near a major financial and business centre like Liverpool Street... Alan_1976
  • Score: 21

2:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

myopinioncounts says...

If barriers are to be put in at stations where there are none now the amount collected from the current fare dodgers should help keep the costs down.
If barriers are to be put in at stations where there are none now the amount collected from the current fare dodgers should help keep the costs down. myopinioncounts
  • Score: 13

4:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

tillytrotter says...

disgusting the trains are packed to capacity and uncomfortable dirty and not air conditioned. what a pile of abuse to the commuters we should get money to travel like this not pay more """"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
disgusting the trains are packed to capacity and uncomfortable dirty and not air conditioned. what a pile of abuse to the commuters we should get money to travel like this not pay more """"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! tillytrotter
  • Score: -1

5:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

tillytrotter says...

Everyday I get on the 13:18 or 13:33 I have reported time after time after time a beggar that goes from carriage to carriage pleading for money HE DOES NOT HAVE A TICKET who is paying for him the commuters that he begs from. I get on the train to find newspapers strewn over seats, food wrappers empty or partially full dumped on the floor. I have been using this line for at least 30 years has it got better NO more money from commuters but no effort for comfort or timetables or vagabonds and robbers whoa wake up smell the coffee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CUSTOMERS ARE UNHAPPY and you wanna charge more
Everyday I get on the 13:18 or 13:33 I have reported time after time after time a beggar that goes from carriage to carriage pleading for money HE DOES NOT HAVE A TICKET who is paying for him the commuters that he begs from. I get on the train to find newspapers strewn over seats, food wrappers empty or partially full dumped on the floor. I have been using this line for at least 30 years has it got better NO more money from commuters but no effort for comfort or timetables or vagabonds and robbers whoa wake up smell the coffee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CUSTOMERS ARE UNHAPPY and you wanna charge more tillytrotter
  • Score: 10

5:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

John J C Moss, only slightly less irritating than Cornbeefur. who seems to have been (temporarily?) banned.
John J C Moss, only slightly less irritating than Cornbeefur. who seems to have been (temporarily?) banned. stickmanny
  • Score: 10

12:29am Thu 16 Jan 14

Upshirehorse says...

Do the owners of the Metro Newspaper pay towards cleaning these carriages I have always asked myself? Bet they do not.
Do the owners of the Metro Newspaper pay towards cleaning these carriages I have always asked myself? Bet they do not. Upshirehorse
  • Score: -10

9:09am Thu 16 Jan 14

E17006 says...

This happened for the other Overground lines too. There is always a minority who lose out. I sympathise with them, but they must realise that the existence of single route season tickets is an anomaly which very few routes into London have (eg the Victoria line doesn't have it). Think of this as a loophole being closed. This is the price to pay for an integrated transport system. Yes, it's unfair to a few, but the majority benefit from better trains, services and stations.
This happened for the other Overground lines too. There is always a minority who lose out. I sympathise with them, but they must realise that the existence of single route season tickets is an anomaly which very few routes into London have (eg the Victoria line doesn't have it). Think of this as a loophole being closed. This is the price to pay for an integrated transport system. Yes, it's unfair to a few, but the majority benefit from better trains, services and stations. E17006
  • Score: 10

9:10am Thu 16 Jan 14

Jaestar101 says...

I think those of you that are relating to the increase in price according to the current service have missed the point. From my understanding TfL are taking over the line to provide a better service than what is currently beign provided therefore the trains should now be more efficient and cleaner (just like the current London Overground is compared to other suburban services).

I do however agree that the price hike will hit those that currently just go station to station and will not need to access all zones. The problem is how will TfL address this...a new type of station to station ticket across London could be offered (cause TfL could not just restrict this to one line cause it would be unfair). This might not go down well though cause more people will probably take up that offer and revenues will go down resulting in higher fare increases for all.
I think those of you that are relating to the increase in price according to the current service have missed the point. From my understanding TfL are taking over the line to provide a better service than what is currently beign provided therefore the trains should now be more efficient and cleaner (just like the current London Overground is compared to other suburban services). I do however agree that the price hike will hit those that currently just go station to station and will not need to access all zones. The problem is how will TfL address this...a new type of station to station ticket across London could be offered (cause TfL could not just restrict this to one line cause it would be unfair). This might not go down well though cause more people will probably take up that offer and revenues will go down resulting in higher fare increases for all. Jaestar101
  • Score: 3

9:13am Thu 16 Jan 14

E17006 says...

And to those of you complaining about the current service, read the article! The whole point is that the service is transferring to TfL and you'll be getting new air conditioned trains, better maintained stations with barriers, and more visible staff on stations.

What people should be campaigning for is for Wood St to move zones to the 3/4 border. This would compensate some who lose out from the changes above, and makes much more sense geographically than the current zone 4 status.
And to those of you complaining about the current service, read the article! The whole point is that the service is transferring to TfL and you'll be getting new air conditioned trains, better maintained stations with barriers, and more visible staff on stations. What people should be campaigning for is for Wood St to move zones to the 3/4 border. This would compensate some who lose out from the changes above, and makes much more sense geographically than the current zone 4 status. E17006
  • Score: 13

9:26am Thu 16 Jan 14

Stow_E17 says...

@E17006

I completely agree regarding the change of Wood Street zone. I have sent TFL an email regarding this in the past! There are many stations further out currently in zone 3. E.g. Manor Park / Woodgrange Park. It would make travelling around the Walthamstow area a lot easier as it would all be within one travel card zone.

If you wish to contact send en email at this link:

https://forms.dft.go
v.uk/contact-dft-and
-agencies/
@E17006 I completely agree regarding the change of Wood Street zone. I have sent TFL an email regarding this in the past! There are many stations further out currently in zone 3. E.g. Manor Park / Woodgrange Park. It would make travelling around the Walthamstow area a lot easier as it would all be within one travel card zone. If you wish to contact send en email at this link: https://forms.dft.go v.uk/contact-dft-and -agencies/ Stow_E17
  • Score: 8

9:29am Thu 16 Jan 14

Stow_E17 says...

@E17006

I completely agree regarding the change of Wood Street zone. I have sent TFL an email regarding this in the past! There are many stations further out currently in zone 3. E.g. Manor Park / Woodgrange Park and East Ham. It would make travelling around the Walthamstow area a lot easier as it would all be within one travel card zone. Also i'm sure this would attract more people to use the line during off-peak periods.

If you wish to contact, send an email at this link:

https://forms.dft.go
v.uk/contact-dft-and
-agencies/
@E17006 I completely agree regarding the change of Wood Street zone. I have sent TFL an email regarding this in the past! There are many stations further out currently in zone 3. E.g. Manor Park / Woodgrange Park and East Ham. It would make travelling around the Walthamstow area a lot easier as it would all be within one travel card zone. Also i'm sure this would attract more people to use the line during off-peak periods. If you wish to contact, send an email at this link: https://forms.dft.go v.uk/contact-dft-and -agencies/ Stow_E17
  • Score: 4

11:43am Fri 17 Jan 14

myopinioncounts says...

A relative who works for Greater Anglia has a stock reply to any complaint about the cleanliness of the train. He says that it was clean when it left the depot so only the passengers are responsible for the filth left on it!
A relative who works for Greater Anglia has a stock reply to any complaint about the cleanliness of the train. He says that it was clean when it left the depot so only the passengers are responsible for the filth left on it! myopinioncounts
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Upshirehorse says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
A relative who works for Greater Anglia has a stock reply to any complaint about the cleanliness of the train. He says that it was clean when it left the depot so only the passengers are responsible for the filth left on it!
Just brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: A relative who works for Greater Anglia has a stock reply to any complaint about the cleanliness of the train. He says that it was clean when it left the depot so only the passengers are responsible for the filth left on it![/p][/quote]Just brilliant! Upshirehorse
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

EppingRes1dent says...

Why should people using the Chingford line pay any less than the rest of us for a similar length journey? Just because you have had it good up until now does not mean it should continue. PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!!!
Why should people using the Chingford line pay any less than the rest of us for a similar length journey? Just because you have had it good up until now does not mean it should continue. PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!!! EppingRes1dent
  • Score: -2

4:44pm Tue 21 Jan 14

HandyP says...

EppingRes1dent wrote:
Why should people using the Chingford line pay any less than the rest of us for a similar length journey? Just because you have had it good up until now does not mean it should continue. PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!!!
The point is this is national rail service. I don’t understand what enhanced features it being branded London Overground will achieve. Train times and connection information that include both Greater Anglia and London Underground already exist. New trains would take circa 3 to 4 years to arrive once part of any funding period, contract procured, contract let, let alone actually manufacturing and testing the new trains. Although they might be air-con, they might have less seats (if same model the recent ones), making the journey no more comfortable.

As for cost, I disagree EppingRes1dent . Look at the costs of other suburban rail services across London - here are just a few, they are the same cost. If you need outer stations to London Terminus stations, you don’t need the huge cost of tube travel added to the ticket. (Highams Park is £116.80 per month)

1) Z4 New Malden to London Waterloo £116 / month - South West Trains
2) Z4 Eltham to London Bridge £123 / month - Southeastern
3) Z4 New Southgate to London Terminal (Morgate) £116 / month - First Capital Connect
4) Z4 Sudbury Hill to London Terminal (Marylebone) £116 / month - Chiltern Rail

Therefore why should the Chingford line suddenly start paying more compared to generally wealthy areas that Southwest or Chiltern Rail trains serve!
[quote][p][bold]EppingRes1dent[/bold] wrote: Why should people using the Chingford line pay any less than the rest of us for a similar length journey? Just because you have had it good up until now does not mean it should continue. PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE!!![/p][/quote]The point is this is national rail service. I don’t understand what enhanced features it being branded London Overground will achieve. Train times and connection information that include both Greater Anglia and London Underground already exist. New trains would take circa 3 to 4 years to arrive once part of any funding period, contract procured, contract let, let alone actually manufacturing and testing the new trains. Although they might be air-con, they might have less seats (if same model the recent ones), making the journey no more comfortable. As for cost, I disagree EppingRes1dent . Look at the costs of other suburban rail services across London - here are just a few, they are the same cost. If you need outer stations to London Terminus stations, you don’t need the huge cost of tube travel added to the ticket. (Highams Park is £116.80 per month) 1) Z4 New Malden to London Waterloo £116 / month - South West Trains 2) Z4 Eltham to London Bridge £123 / month - Southeastern 3) Z4 New Southgate to London Terminal (Morgate) £116 / month - First Capital Connect 4) Z4 Sudbury Hill to London Terminal (Marylebone) £116 / month - Chiltern Rail Therefore why should the Chingford line suddenly start paying more compared to generally wealthy areas that Southwest or Chiltern Rail trains serve! HandyP
  • Score: 2

4:44pm Tue 21 Jan 14

VillageIdiot69 says...

John J C Moss wrote:
The WAGN "season ticket" prices quoted only cover the journey to and from Liverpool Street, so this comparison is skewed.

I don't know many people who ONLY travel in to an out of Liverpool Street with no onward tube or bus journeys.
I used to do exactly that every day John when I worked in Aldgate.

I needed to cut down on expenses so decided to walk to the station in the morning, get the overground to Liverpool Street and then walk down to Aldgate. I was spending around £20 a week on travel as opposed to £100 a week, makes a big difference when you're trying to save money.

Although I don't do the journey any more, I do sympathise with the minority who will lose out. However, as E17006 says, a single route season ticket is an anomaly and the majority will benefit from better services, etc in the long run.
[quote][p][bold]John J C Moss[/bold] wrote: The WAGN "season ticket" prices quoted only cover the journey to and from Liverpool Street, so this comparison is skewed. I don't know many people who ONLY travel in to an out of Liverpool Street with no onward tube or bus journeys.[/p][/quote]I used to do exactly that every day John when I worked in Aldgate. I needed to cut down on expenses so decided to walk to the station in the morning, get the overground to Liverpool Street and then walk down to Aldgate. I was spending around £20 a week on travel as opposed to £100 a week, makes a big difference when you're trying to save money. Although I don't do the journey any more, I do sympathise with the minority who will lose out. However, as E17006 says, a single route season ticket is an anomaly and the majority will benefit from better services, etc in the long run. VillageIdiot69
  • Score: 1

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