Council's refusal to allow fracking is "sensible" and sends a strong message, it is claimed

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East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter - Waltham Forest

A decision to ban fracking in Waltham Forest has been welcomed by green activists.

The government recently offered council's financial incentives to agree to allow hydraulic fracturing. 
These included the opportunity for authorities to keep 100 per cent of business rates.

But deputy council leader Clyde Loakes rejected the offer, describing it as “a crude manoeuvre.

Despite the Royal Society and the Royal Academy of Engineering finding it to be safe if properly regulated, Cllr Loakes said: "Regardless of what financial benefits might be on offer, we will not compromise the safety and wellbeing of our current or future residents."

Waltham Forest Greenpeace chairman, Dave O’Carroll, said the decision was “smart and sensible”.
“The risks of fracking far outwiegh and benefits and if allowed, if would have had a small effect on household bills anyway,” he added.

"They have put the interests of the residents and the local community first and this should send a strong mesage to other councils. The decision should be applauded."

According to London Mayor Boris Johnson, thousands of jobs would be created and homeowners and businesses will be offered cheaper electricity if fracking operations were allowed.

Announcing the initiative, prime Minister David Cameron said: “A key part of our long-term economic plan to secure Britain’s future is to back businesses with better infrastructure. That’s why we’re going all out for shale. It will mean more jobs and opportunities for people, and economic security for our country.”

"Shale gas represents a huge economic opportunity for the UK with research from the Institute of Directors showing investment could reach £3.7 billion a year and support 74,000 jobs in the oil, gas, construction, engineering and chemicals sectors. The industry will today set out proposals on how best to secure a role for UK companies as part of its supply chain as shale gas production develops in the UK."

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2:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

escapefrome17 says...

Not that I'm a particularly big fan of fracking, but this is a somewhat nonsensical publicity seeking story on behalf of councillor Loakes and the Green person......neither of whom appear to have the most basic knowledge of the geology that lies beneath their feet.
If they did, they'd know full well that fracking is never going to happen anywhere in Waltham Forest, and as far as I can see they're disingenuously milking this story hoping that ignorance will grab them a few votes. It's going to be a big issue in the weald because of the geology, but here? no.
Not that I'm a particularly big fan of fracking, but this is a somewhat nonsensical publicity seeking story on behalf of councillor Loakes and the Green person......neither of whom appear to have the most basic knowledge of the geology that lies beneath their feet. If they did, they'd know full well that fracking is never going to happen anywhere in Waltham Forest, and as far as I can see they're disingenuously milking this story hoping that ignorance will grab them a few votes. It's going to be a big issue in the weald because of the geology, but here? no. escapefrome17
  • Score: 16

3:44pm Thu 16 Jan 14

DaveSafari says...

escapefrome17 wrote:
Not that I'm a particularly big fan of fracking, but this is a somewhat nonsensical publicity seeking story on behalf of councillor Loakes and the Green person......neither of whom appear to have the most basic knowledge of the geology that lies beneath their feet.
If they did, they'd know full well that fracking is never going to happen anywhere in Waltham Forest, and as far as I can see they're disingenuously milking this story hoping that ignorance will grab them a few votes. It's going to be a big issue in the weald because of the geology, but here? no.
I'm the 'Green person' you speak of. I'd be interested to know how answering the phone and responding to the questions being put to you by a reporter qualifies as 'publicity seeking'. Shall I rudely ignore them next time?

I'm also intertesed to know how you have deduced that I know nothing of geology based on the fact that I wasn't asked anything about it. That's some very strange logic you are employing there.
[quote][p][bold]escapefrome17[/bold] wrote: Not that I'm a particularly big fan of fracking, but this is a somewhat nonsensical publicity seeking story on behalf of councillor Loakes and the Green person......neither of whom appear to have the most basic knowledge of the geology that lies beneath their feet. If they did, they'd know full well that fracking is never going to happen anywhere in Waltham Forest, and as far as I can see they're disingenuously milking this story hoping that ignorance will grab them a few votes. It's going to be a big issue in the weald because of the geology, but here? no.[/p][/quote]I'm the 'Green person' you speak of. I'd be interested to know how answering the phone and responding to the questions being put to you by a reporter qualifies as 'publicity seeking'. Shall I rudely ignore them next time? I'm also intertesed to know how you have deduced that I know nothing of geology based on the fact that I wasn't asked anything about it. That's some very strange logic you are employing there. DaveSafari
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Upshirehorse says...

These protesters seem to be protesting about a matter that does not exist.
These protesters seem to be protesting about a matter that does not exist. Upshirehorse
  • Score: 10

4:28pm Thu 16 Jan 14

RichieA70 says...

Where exactly would they frack? Waltham Forest is a small London borough, not a place with vast expanses of undeveloped, unprotected land.
Where exactly would they frack? Waltham Forest is a small London borough, not a place with vast expanses of undeveloped, unprotected land. RichieA70
  • Score: 14

5:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

TTMAN says...

So Dave Safari do you consider “The risks of fracking far outwiegh and benefits", or in English “The risks of fracking far outweigh any benefits" to be a true statement?

Are you happy to be associated with Loakes comments?

Answer carefully please, there are those residing here who will judge you !
So Dave Safari do you consider “The risks of fracking far outwiegh and benefits", or in English “The risks of fracking far outweigh any benefits" to be a true statement? Are you happy to be associated with Loakes comments? Answer carefully please, there are those residing here who will judge you ! TTMAN
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Thu 16 Jan 14

DaveSafari says...

I'm not responsible for spelling errors when I'm being quoted. I don't say the words down the phone and they magically appear on the webpage you know.

And yes, of course I consider it to be a true statement. I wouldn't have said it otherwise. The risks far outweigh the benefits.

I was asked for my opinion and I gave it. In doing so I'm not associating myself with anyone. You can draw any associations and make any judgements you like, it's a free country.
I'm not responsible for spelling errors when I'm being quoted. I don't say the words down the phone and they magically appear on the webpage you know. And yes, of course I consider it to be a true statement. I wouldn't have said it otherwise. The risks far outweigh the benefits. I was asked for my opinion and I gave it. In doing so I'm not associating myself with anyone. You can draw any associations and make any judgements you like, it's a free country. DaveSafari
  • Score: 3

5:42pm Thu 16 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

When someone attacks your typos you know your argument is pretty solid!
When someone attacks your typos you know your argument is pretty solid! stickmanny
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Thu 16 Jan 14

TTMAN says...

If you had half a brain Sticky you would know that Dave didn't type anything so couldn't have had a typo. It was the reporter whose grammar needs correcting I merely translated into a sentence that those with an education could understand.

Dave so you think fracking pluses are negated by the possible negatives. In a scientific world you are what we refer to as a luddite!
If you had half a brain Sticky you would know that Dave didn't type anything so couldn't have had a typo. It was the reporter whose grammar needs correcting I merely translated into a sentence that those with an education could understand. Dave so you think fracking pluses are negated by the possible negatives. In a scientific world you are what we refer to as a luddite! TTMAN
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Thu 16 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

poo poo and wee wee
poo poo and wee wee stickmanny
  • Score: -2

12:02am Fri 17 Jan 14

Snoogans says...

Where is Cornbeefur? He's bound to be pro fracking. By all previous evidence he must be Escapefromme17.
Where is Cornbeefur? He's bound to be pro fracking. By all previous evidence he must be Escapefromme17. Snoogans
  • Score: -2

8:28am Fri 17 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Surely he's not back! I was doing my best to take up his mantle, been reading the Daily Mail and everything
Surely he's not back! I was doing my best to take up his mantle, been reading the Daily Mail and everything stickmanny
  • Score: -5

11:07am Fri 17 Jan 14

escapefrome17 says...

Mr safari, personally I don't like fracking- it's the groundwater issue and being on a chalk aquifer it would be a serious pollution issue in Waltham Forest...BUT! I would imagine if Loakes had the slightest inkling there was money in it and it was possible here he'd be welcoming it with open arms, I suspect he's done his research, probably looked into it some time ago, realised the neccessary formations just aren't under here, and hence used it as a political issue to shout 'look at me I'm so green!!',

You, on the other hand, I would have expected to have done the research, realised what Loakes is up to, and not jumped on his political bandwagon and instead put your energies into fighting it where it is likely to happen. As I said above, this is going to be a huge issue in the Weald where the shales and greensands lie beneath, but it's a non starter here, it's mainly clay, chalk, and then very much older silurian layers- too old for oil and gas formation, and I would have assumed you'd know that and not get dragged into political grandstanding as it does you no favours..
Mr safari, personally I don't like fracking- it's the groundwater issue and being on a chalk aquifer it would be a serious pollution issue in Waltham Forest...BUT! I would imagine if Loakes had the slightest inkling there was money in it and it was possible here he'd be welcoming it with open arms, I suspect he's done his research, probably looked into it some time ago, realised the neccessary formations just aren't under here, and hence used it as a political issue to shout 'look at me I'm so green!!', You, on the other hand, I would have expected to have done the research, realised what Loakes is up to, and not jumped on his political bandwagon and instead put your energies into fighting it where it is likely to happen. As I said above, this is going to be a huge issue in the Weald where the shales and greensands lie beneath, but it's a non starter here, it's mainly clay, chalk, and then very much older silurian layers- too old for oil and gas formation, and I would have assumed you'd know that and not get dragged into political grandstanding as it does you no favours.. escapefrome17
  • Score: 7

11:25am Fri 17 Jan 14

DaveSafari says...

TTMAN wrote:
If you had half a brain Sticky you would know that Dave didn't type anything so couldn't have had a typo. It was the reporter whose grammar needs correcting I merely translated into a sentence that those with an education could understand.

Dave so you think fracking pluses are negated by the possible negatives. In a scientific world you are what we refer to as a luddite!
Not at all. All the most exciting technological innovations in energy are in renewables. I'm in favour of harnessing the power of tidal, solar etc. I'm talking about innovation and entrepreneurs.

Your position is basically 'oil and gas, oil and gas'. It's a 1950's mentality that refuses to accept the basic premise that both oil and gas are finite resources.

And you call me a luddite.
[quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: If you had half a brain Sticky you would know that Dave didn't type anything so couldn't have had a typo. It was the reporter whose grammar needs correcting I merely translated into a sentence that those with an education could understand. Dave so you think fracking pluses are negated by the possible negatives. In a scientific world you are what we refer to as a luddite![/p][/quote]Not at all. All the most exciting technological innovations in energy are in renewables. I'm in favour of harnessing the power of tidal, solar etc. I'm talking about innovation and entrepreneurs. Your position is basically 'oil and gas, oil and gas'. It's a 1950's mentality that refuses to accept the basic premise that both oil and gas are finite resources. And you call me a luddite. DaveSafari
  • Score: 1

11:38am Fri 17 Jan 14

myopinioncounts says...

Fracking banned in France but it is a French company that wants to carry it out in the UK! So, any profits go out of this country and if/when there are environmental problems the French company will be strangely unaccountable.
I am old enough to remember that according to the claims of the time that nuclear energy was going to be so cheap that it would almost free to the public. Wind farms are not showing any profit and my energy bills are higher because of 'green taxes'.
Fracking banned in France but it is a French company that wants to carry it out in the UK! So, any profits go out of this country and if/when there are environmental problems the French company will be strangely unaccountable. I am old enough to remember that according to the claims of the time that nuclear energy was going to be so cheap that it would almost free to the public. Wind farms are not showing any profit and my energy bills are higher because of 'green taxes'. myopinioncounts
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Fri 17 Jan 14

escapefrome17 says...

Well i'm in favour of actually reducing energy consumption as the best option but when you read the hysterical postings on here on the reports about turning off street lights I do wonder why some folks (i.e. stickmanny) bleat on about it like we're going to be plunged into armageddon and at the same time complain about fracking! The reality is that we must either cut down our consumption or find new resources!

Snoogans....cornbeef
wotsit is currently billy earache, still fighting his troll wars with the other troll who's id i can't remember, 1972 or whatever he/she/it is called.
Well i'm in favour of actually reducing energy consumption as the best option but when you read the hysterical postings on here on the reports about turning off street lights I do wonder why some folks (i.e. stickmanny) bleat on about it like we're going to be plunged into armageddon and at the same time complain about fracking! The reality is that we must either cut down our consumption or find new resources! Snoogans....cornbeef wotsit is currently billy earache, still fighting his troll wars with the other troll who's id i can't remember, 1972 or whatever he/she/it is called. escapefrome17
  • Score: -4

3:20pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Alan_1976 says...

escapefrome17 wrote:
Well i'm in favour of actually reducing energy consumption as the best option but when you read the hysterical postings on here on the reports about turning off street lights I do wonder why some folks (i.e. stickmanny) bleat on about it like we're going to be plunged into armageddon and at the same time complain about fracking! The reality is that we must either cut down our consumption or find new resources!

Snoogans....cornbeef

wotsit is currently billy earache, still fighting his troll wars with the other troll who's id i can't remember, 1972 or whatever he/she/it is called.
Might be best not to accuse other people of being a troll when your opinions have caused others to assume you are this site's longest running troll.

Have a nice day!
[quote][p][bold]escapefrome17[/bold] wrote: Well i'm in favour of actually reducing energy consumption as the best option but when you read the hysterical postings on here on the reports about turning off street lights I do wonder why some folks (i.e. stickmanny) bleat on about it like we're going to be plunged into armageddon and at the same time complain about fracking! The reality is that we must either cut down our consumption or find new resources! Snoogans....cornbeef wotsit is currently billy earache, still fighting his troll wars with the other troll who's id i can't remember, 1972 or whatever he/she/it is called.[/p][/quote]Might be best not to accuse other people of being a troll when your opinions have caused others to assume you are this site's longest running troll. Have a nice day! Alan_1976
  • Score: -2

4:50pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Upshirehorse says...

The issue with Fracking in this item is that it is a non-issue as much as the local authority' claim that Waltham Forest was a 'Nuclear Free Zone'.
These subjects will never affect the person queuing in the bank for food or the OAP afraid to turn on her French EDF supplied 2 bar fire or the Old Man in the cafe with his worn out shoes with his cup of teas whereby each tea lasts exactly one hour. Fracking will not be undertaken anywhere near a 25 radius of Charing Cross foe certain. The rent o crowds need something to protest about and this seems to be flavours of the month and with their assurance that this is now a Fracking free zone will be of very little interest to the average Joe Blogger whose mind will be somewhere else in the current climate changes.
The issue with Fracking in this item is that it is a non-issue as much as the local authority' claim that Waltham Forest was a 'Nuclear Free Zone'. These subjects will never affect the person queuing in the bank for food or the OAP afraid to turn on her French EDF supplied 2 bar fire or the Old Man in the cafe with his worn out shoes with his cup of teas whereby each tea lasts exactly one hour. Fracking will not be undertaken anywhere near a 25 radius of Charing Cross foe certain. The rent o crowds need something to protest about and this seems to be flavours of the month and with their assurance that this is now a Fracking free zone will be of very little interest to the average Joe Blogger whose mind will be somewhere else in the current climate changes. Upshirehorse
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

stickmanny says...

Cornbeefur
Cornbeefur stickmanny
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Sun 19 Jan 14

TTMAN says...

Waltham Forest a nuclear free zone I had forgotten about that one it was funny then hilarious joke now.

The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage.
Waltham Forest a nuclear free zone I had forgotten about that one it was funny then hilarious joke now. The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage. TTMAN
  • Score: 3

10:29am Mon 20 Jan 14

Villagecranberry says...

TTMAN wrote:
Waltham Forest a nuclear free zone I had forgotten about that one it was funny then hilarious joke now.

The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage.
I reckon those signs are worth a few quid now?
[quote][p][bold]TTMAN[/bold] wrote: Waltham Forest a nuclear free zone I had forgotten about that one it was funny then hilarious joke now. The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage.[/p][/quote]I reckon those signs are worth a few quid now? Villagecranberry
  • Score: 2

11:58pm Mon 20 Jan 14

mdj says...

'The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage...'

'Working to free London from nuclear threat', was something like the slogan at the time - while the trains from Nirex rumbled along the GOBLIN line!
I'm anti-nuclear myself, but the self-importance (and distraction from anything they might actually be held accountable for) was laughable at the time.
A very nice point about the geology: Mr Loakes is doubtless primed to take the credit for the absence of any UFOs from our skies in recent months as well.
'The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage...' 'Working to free London from nuclear threat', was something like the slogan at the time - while the trains from Nirex rumbled along the GOBLIN line! I'm anti-nuclear myself, but the self-importance (and distraction from anything they might actually be held accountable for) was laughable at the time. A very nice point about the geology: Mr Loakes is doubtless primed to take the credit for the absence of any UFOs from our skies in recent months as well. mdj
  • Score: 1

8:41pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Villagecranberry says...

mdj wrote:
'The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage...'

'Working to free London from nuclear threat', was something like the slogan at the time - while the trains from Nirex rumbled along the GOBLIN line!
I'm anti-nuclear myself, but the self-importance (and distraction from anything they might actually be held accountable for) was laughable at the time.
A very nice point about the geology: Mr Loakes is doubtless primed to take the credit for the absence of any UFOs from our skies in recent months as well.
Hahaha true!
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: 'The local authority like to think they are strutting the world stage...' 'Working to free London from nuclear threat', was something like the slogan at the time - while the trains from Nirex rumbled along the GOBLIN line! I'm anti-nuclear myself, but the self-importance (and distraction from anything they might actually be held accountable for) was laughable at the time. A very nice point about the geology: Mr Loakes is doubtless primed to take the credit for the absence of any UFOs from our skies in recent months as well.[/p][/quote]Hahaha true! Villagecranberry
  • Score: 0

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