Work to improve safety at Charlie brown's roundabout in South Woodford

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Pedestrian safety measures will finally be installed at a busy roundabout following a 13-year campaign by residents. 

Transport for London (TfL) has announced work will begin in spring to install crossings and signals on Charlie Brown’s roundabout in South Woodford.

The work is expected to take around three years to complete and is designed to ease rising congestion in the area and reduce the dangers for crossing pedestrians.

A £3million scheme was drawn up by Transport for London in 2009, but was later shelved due to lack of funds. 

Residents have been campaigning for safer signalling and crossing at the roundabout for over 13 years.

In a statement, TfL said: ‘We are planning to commission design work for the signalisation of the roundabout in the spring of this year. 

"We anticipate the overall timeframe for the scheme to be about 3 years, which would include design work, development of a business case, detailed design, procurement and construction."

Cllr Gwyneth Deakins said: “This is a victory for local residents who have been campaigning for years to get signals and crossings at Charlie Brown’s. 

“It is about time TfL recognised the acute dangers for pedestrians trying to cross these roads.

“We will be keeping a very close eye on developments this time - we don’t want our residents to be let down again.”

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4:13pm Thu 16 Jan 14

ChazFinch says...

Wonder if they'll pay any attention to the cycle route to South Woodford that just kinda fizzles out at Charlie Browns?
Wonder if they'll pay any attention to the cycle route to South Woodford that just kinda fizzles out at Charlie Browns? ChazFinch
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11:29am Fri 17 Jan 14

Paul Skinner says...

When it says traffic lights, does it mean purely for pedestrians to cross, or does it mean they're going to fiddle about with the traffic flow?

Time and time again I have seen roundabouts flow miles better when the lights aren't working, so I can only hope this is purely for pedestrians to cross.

Redbridge roundabout is a prime example of this.

However, if it's for pedestrians only, then this is indeed good news.
When it says traffic lights, does it mean purely for pedestrians to cross, or does it mean they're going to fiddle about with the traffic flow? Time and time again I have seen roundabouts flow miles better when the lights aren't working, so I can only hope this is purely for pedestrians to cross. Redbridge roundabout is a prime example of this. However, if it's for pedestrians only, then this is indeed good news. Paul Skinner
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11:36am Fri 17 Jan 14

MorrisHickey says...

Paul Skinner wrote:
When it says traffic lights, does it mean purely for pedestrians to cross, or does it mean they're going to fiddle about with the traffic flow?

Time and time again I have seen roundabouts flow miles better when the lights aren't working, so I can only hope this is purely for pedestrians to cross.

Redbridge roundabout is a prime example of this.

However, if it's for pedestrians only, then this is indeed good news.
Could you perhaps tell us how traffic signals for pedestrians operate without actually stopping the traffic?
[quote][p][bold]Paul Skinner[/bold] wrote: When it says traffic lights, does it mean purely for pedestrians to cross, or does it mean they're going to fiddle about with the traffic flow? Time and time again I have seen roundabouts flow miles better when the lights aren't working, so I can only hope this is purely for pedestrians to cross. Redbridge roundabout is a prime example of this. However, if it's for pedestrians only, then this is indeed good news.[/p][/quote]Could you perhaps tell us how traffic signals for pedestrians operate without actually stopping the traffic? MorrisHickey
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5:22pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Paul Skinner says...

MorrisHickey wrote:
Paul Skinner wrote:
When it says traffic lights, does it mean purely for pedestrians to cross, or does it mean they're going to fiddle about with the traffic flow?

Time and time again I have seen roundabouts flow miles better when the lights aren't working, so I can only hope this is purely for pedestrians to cross.

Redbridge roundabout is a prime example of this.

However, if it's for pedestrians only, then this is indeed good news.
Could you perhaps tell us how traffic signals for pedestrians operate without actually stopping the traffic?
I like how you presumed I'm a complete moron, without taking the time to stop and think that it might not be quite that simple.

What I'm talking about is whether they are going to be fiddling around with the flow of the traffic around the roundabout as a whole. ie. only letting segments of traffic on to the roundabout at a time, all the time, regardless of whether a pedestrian wishes to cross.

Stopping traffic for a pedestrian to cross is obviously sensible as it is near impossible to cross there currently.
[quote][p][bold]MorrisHickey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Skinner[/bold] wrote: When it says traffic lights, does it mean purely for pedestrians to cross, or does it mean they're going to fiddle about with the traffic flow? Time and time again I have seen roundabouts flow miles better when the lights aren't working, so I can only hope this is purely for pedestrians to cross. Redbridge roundabout is a prime example of this. However, if it's for pedestrians only, then this is indeed good news.[/p][/quote]Could you perhaps tell us how traffic signals for pedestrians operate without actually stopping the traffic?[/p][/quote]I like how you presumed I'm a complete moron, without taking the time to stop and think that it might not be quite that simple. What I'm talking about is whether they are going to be fiddling around with the flow of the traffic around the roundabout [b]as a whole[/b]. ie. only letting segments of traffic on to the roundabout at a time, [b]all the time[/b], regardless of whether a pedestrian wishes to cross. Stopping traffic for a pedestrian to cross is obviously sensible as it is near impossible to cross there currently. Paul Skinner
  • Score: 4

12:41pm Thu 23 Jan 14

AMAEEssex says...

Not sure I agree about lights making things worse, I am a confident driver who has been on the road for 30+ years. I used to avoid Gant's Hill wherever possible, especially coming north on the A12. Since it was redeveloped it feels much easier and safer and my experience is that taffic queues have shortened. If it's done correctly it can work.
Not sure I agree about lights making things worse, I am a confident driver who has been on the road for 30+ years. I used to avoid Gant's Hill wherever possible, especially coming north on the A12. Since it was redeveloped it feels much easier and safer and my experience is that taffic queues have shortened. If it's done correctly it can work. AMAEEssex
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1:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Paul Skinner says...

AMAEEssex wrote:
Not sure I agree about lights making things worse, I am a confident driver who has been on the road for 30+ years. I used to avoid Gant's Hill wherever possible, especially coming north on the A12. Since it was redeveloped it feels much easier and safer and my experience is that taffic queues have shortened. If it's done correctly it can work.
Take a look at the Waterworks roundabout for the last month or so since they've rephased the lights. It often goes catastrophically wrong.
[quote][p][bold]AMAEEssex[/bold] wrote: Not sure I agree about lights making things worse, I am a confident driver who has been on the road for 30+ years. I used to avoid Gant's Hill wherever possible, especially coming north on the A12. Since it was redeveloped it feels much easier and safer and my experience is that taffic queues have shortened. If it's done correctly it can work.[/p][/quote]Take a look at the Waterworks roundabout for the last month or so since they've rephased the lights. It often goes catastrophically wrong. Paul Skinner
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