Opposition to Chingford traffic measures

Residents kept in the dark over public consultation

Residents kept in the dark over public consultation

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There has been a groundswell of opposition to plans for traffic calming measures following questions over a public consultation, it is claimed.

Waltham Forest Council is planning to install ‘speed tables’ in Larkshall Road, between Ropers Avenue and New Road in Chingford.

More than 40 people objected to the plans during a public consultation between December 9 and January 10.

Now others claim they were unaware of the consultation and have raised concerns including noise, pollution and a lack of evidence that safety will be improved.

Ward councillors leafleted the area at the weekend and collected 94 signatures from residents and local businesses opposed to the scheme.

Highams Park Planning Group, which represents 350 residents, has written to the council to raise concerns and call for a rethink.

The council says there has been seven injury-related incidents in the stretch of road in the last three years.

Keith Zakrzewski, 56, of Larkshall Road has also written to the council objecting the plans.

He said: "I'm not happy about the way they've gone about this. The council have not consulted the residents or offered us alternative solutions such as speed cameras.

"For years, my family and other residents had problems with the ground-shaking until the road was re-surfaced about four years ago and I'm worried these speed tables will cause our house to shake again."

Susan McCormick, of Larkshall Crescent, lives opposite a bend in Larkshall Road.

The 63-year-old said: "I didn't hear anything about the consultation, which is strange.

"There have been lots of near-misses and countless accidents on this bend so I agree something needs to be done but I hate speed humps.”

Conservative Group Leader Matt Davis said there is widespread opposition to the proposal.

He said: "The response we had to the petition was very clear. The vast majority of people we spoke to do not support the installation of speed tables as proposed by the council, and many were unaware of the consultation in December.

"Whilst local councillors and residents recognise the need to control speeds in Larkshall Road, there are a number of ways to do this, ranging from physical impediments like speed tables, humps or cushions, to alternate priority "build outs" or even speed cameras.

"Unfortunately, this has been a typical Waltham Forest consultation. ’This is what we are going to do. What colour would you like the paint?'”

A council spokeswoman said: "As the consultation process has just closed, nothing will happen until all of the representations made have been considered fully and if necessary, the proposals will be looked at again.

"Both a public and a statutory consultation took place – during the public consultation 1,100 residents and businesses in the local area were written to and a public exhibition was held at Hale End Library.

"The statutory consultation was advertised through a public notice as required by the law."

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3:54pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Techno3 says...

I wish the council would just spend more effort filling in the potholes.
I wish the council would just spend more effort filling in the potholes. Techno3
  • Score: 6

4:41pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Thunderbird4 says...

Techno3 wrote:
I wish the council would just spend more effort filling in the potholes.
Exactly. They seem to have enough cash for speed humps and other forms of traffic calming, but not to repair roads.

Some of the calming methods have little or no effect. I've seen drivers speeding through a series of cushions like a chicane on a race track and treating build-outs much the same.

Until drivers understand that public roads are not race tracks, avoidable "accidents", will continue to happen: Educate the drivers/give stringent penalties for bad driving: Do not penalise the environment or public, for the ignorance of one driver.
[quote][p][bold]Techno3[/bold] wrote: I wish the council would just spend more effort filling in the potholes.[/p][/quote]Exactly. They seem to have enough cash for speed humps and other forms of traffic calming, but not to repair roads. Some of the calming methods have little or no effect. I've seen drivers speeding through a series of cushions like a chicane on a race track and treating build-outs much the same. Until drivers understand that public roads are not race tracks, avoidable "accidents", will continue to happen: Educate the drivers/give stringent penalties for bad driving: Do not penalise the environment or public, for the ignorance of one driver. Thunderbird4
  • Score: 4

12:35am Wed 12 Mar 14

sensibility says...

Perhaps a few more zebra crossings, preferably traffic light controlled, after all it is a wide road to navigate across especially for the elderly and disabled residents
Perhaps a few more zebra crossings, preferably traffic light controlled, after all it is a wide road to navigate across especially for the elderly and disabled residents sensibility
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Wed 12 Mar 14

mdj says...

I've seen drivers speeding through a series of cushions like a chicane on a race track and treating build-outs much the same.'

While the street lighting in this borough has long been notably good, the design of many road schemes makes one question the professionalism - or even basic common sense - of the designers.
I recall many years ago a Council meeting threw out with some amusement a proposal for 'calming' chicanes in Boundary Rd, when one of the less gullible read out a definition that described them as 'a way for racing drivers to test their skill.'

Then time passed, an election was held, personnel changed, the officials tiptoed back with the same pet scheme - and there it is to this day!
There is one in Hainault rd E11 that is a danger to life and limb - and outside a primary school, too!

In this case it says a lot that the Councillors waited until the consultation period was a month past before asking their voters what they thought.
I've seen drivers speeding through a series of cushions like a chicane on a race track and treating build-outs much the same.' While the street lighting in this borough has long been notably good, the design of many road schemes makes one question the professionalism - or even basic common sense - of the designers. I recall many years ago a Council meeting threw out with some amusement a proposal for 'calming' chicanes in Boundary Rd, when one of the less gullible read out a definition that described them as 'a way for racing drivers to test their skill.' Then time passed, an election was held, personnel changed, the officials tiptoed back with the same pet scheme - and there it is to this day! There is one in Hainault rd E11 that is a danger to life and limb - and outside a primary school, too! In this case it says a lot that the Councillors waited until the consultation period was a month past before asking their voters what they thought. mdj
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Wed 12 Mar 14

sensibility says...

Another interesting article as it appears part of Larkshall Road is being dug up and the traffic is suffering because of it.

As work appears to have started isnt it too late now?
Another interesting article as it appears part of Larkshall Road is being dug up and the traffic is suffering because of it. As work appears to have started isnt it too late now? sensibility
  • Score: -3

4:43pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Ollie J says...

"More than 40 people objected to the plans during a public consultation between December 9 and January 10."

Why is it not mentioned in this article that the majority of people who did respond to the initial consultation were actually in favour of it?

There have been 8 accidents along this very busy road which is used by a large number of children and young people who go to the numerous schools in the area. If people don't like the scheme they should be presenting alternatives as there is clearly a problem here.
"More than 40 people objected to the plans during a public consultation between December 9 and January 10." Why is it not mentioned in this article that the majority of people who did respond to the initial consultation were actually in favour of it? There have been 8 accidents along this very busy road which is used by a large number of children and young people who go to the numerous schools in the area. If people don't like the scheme they should be presenting alternatives as there is clearly a problem here. Ollie J
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Thunderbird4 says...

Ollie J wrote:
"More than 40 people objected to the plans during a public consultation between December 9 and January 10."

Why is it not mentioned in this article that the majority of people who did respond to the initial consultation were actually in favour of it?

There have been 8 accidents along this very busy road which is used by a large number of children and young people who go to the numerous schools in the area. If people don't like the scheme they should be presenting alternatives as there is clearly a problem here.
The problem is, driving without due care and attention and probably coupled with, walking whilst in charge of a pair of legs while brain is disengaged. These idiots make the rest of us pay for their carelessness and ignorance.
[quote][p][bold]Ollie J[/bold] wrote: "More than 40 people objected to the plans during a public consultation between December 9 and January 10." Why is it not mentioned in this article that the majority of people who did respond to the initial consultation were actually in favour of it? There have been 8 accidents along this very busy road which is used by a large number of children and young people who go to the numerous schools in the area. If people don't like the scheme they should be presenting alternatives as there is clearly a problem here.[/p][/quote]The problem is, driving without due care and attention and probably coupled with, walking whilst in charge of a pair of legs while brain is disengaged. These idiots make the rest of us pay for their carelessness and ignorance. Thunderbird4
  • Score: -2

5:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

youknowyouloveit says...

sensibility wrote:
Another interesting article as it appears part of Larkshall Road is being dug up and the traffic is suffering because of it.

As work appears to have started isnt it too late now?
It's worse than you think.... they're resurfacing worn out sections of the road.
Before digging it straight back to put speed tables in.

Fantastic joined up thinking.
[quote][p][bold]sensibility[/bold] wrote: Another interesting article as it appears part of Larkshall Road is being dug up and the traffic is suffering because of it. As work appears to have started isnt it too late now?[/p][/quote]It's worse than you think.... they're resurfacing worn out sections of the road. Before digging it straight back to put speed tables in. Fantastic joined up thinking. youknowyouloveit
  • Score: 2

5:55pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Thunderbird4 says...

Dawes Hill, by Gilwell Park, in Sewardstone, was resurfaced last year - and it needed it, but already, deep holes are appearing, which means they will get worse and undo the good that was done.
Dawes Hill, by Gilwell Park, in Sewardstone, was resurfaced last year - and it needed it, but already, deep holes are appearing, which means they will get worse and undo the good that was done. Thunderbird4
  • Score: 0

8:45am Fri 14 Mar 14

John J C Moss says...

Works currently being carried out are maintenance only. Resurfacing and dealing with blocked drains.
Works currently being carried out are maintenance only. Resurfacing and dealing with blocked drains. John J C Moss
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

HassanShah1 says...

That's for that exhilarating update. You sir, are a bigot.
That's for that exhilarating update. You sir, are a bigot. HassanShah1
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

HassanShah1 says...

@Thunderbird4 thanks for an exhilarating update on something everyone cares about... In case you lack the ability to detect sarcasm, NO ONE CARES! YOU SIR, ARE A BIGOT!
@Thunderbird4 thanks for an exhilarating update on something everyone cares about... In case you lack the ability to detect sarcasm, NO ONE CARES! YOU SIR, ARE A BIGOT! HassanShah1
  • Score: 2

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