Waltham Forest Diving Club members say the council is neglecting the borough's young people by not replacing a 5m board at Waltham Forest Pool and Track as part of a £23million development

Diving club members are against plans to remove the 5m diving board

Diving club members are against plans to remove the 5m diving board

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Parents of members of a diving club which has been teaching children for 34 years has criticised the council after it emerged a 5m board would not be included in a sports centre’s £23 million refurbishment.

Tomorrow will be the last time Waltham Forest Diving Club will use Waltham Forest Pool and Track in Walthamstow before it is bulldozed in August and replaced.

However, parents say it has learned that a 5m board, which it says is essential to attract interest in the sport and training, will not be replaced.

They also criticised the council for not properly consulting with the club and has started a petition calling for the board to become part of the plans.

Former chairman Ian Capes said: “They’ve taken a complete top down approach, thinking that they know best.

"When we got to the session is September they said that they will not replace the 5m board - no questions asked.

“We’re not asking for something we haven’t already got. The 5m board is so important to divers.
“In the public sessions people queue up to use it.

“To call it an Olympic borough and then downgrade the facilities is just awful.

“All of the decisions have been made behind closed doors.”

Mr Capes said Tom Daley’s diving partner in the 2012 Olympics, Peter Waterfield, started his career using the 5m board at the pool.

The club has been moved on a temporary basis to the Aquatic Centre in Stratford.

Rachel Wedderburn takes her seven-year-old daughter to the diving club.

She said: “They are taking away something that the borough has benefited from for years.

“It will be nice for the children to use the Olympic pool, but we want this to come back to the borough, with everything that it had before.

“We haven’t had access to any plans at all. Nobody who actually uses the diving facilities has been consulted.”

Jake Ferguson’s son was on a waiting list for five years before joining the club and says that the board is his “big thrill”.

He said: “It is an outrage that the council is ignoring the needs of young people. I am really upset about it.”

Waltham Forest Council has been asked to comment.

To sign the petition started by parents, click here.

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11:31am Wed 30 Apr 14

Villagecranberry says...

Sounds to me that they have been dumped on from a great height.
Sounds to me that they have been dumped on from a great height. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -3

12:11pm Wed 30 Apr 14

cynicalsue says...

Well something had to go to pay for Loakes' nice big pay rise!
Well something had to go to pay for Loakes' nice big pay rise! cynicalsue
  • Score: 17

6:13pm Wed 30 Apr 14

rachelbettelley@hotmail.com says...

Yet another facility to go, theatre closed, cinema closed, dog track closed. To upgrade facilities I Thought you added extra in a new build. Not this council they remove things and build a cheap version which no longer serves the public that get great use from it already. Strangely plans have not been submitted yet, so methinks we have a chance to get our 5m board, not a chance, we have received by email a flat no that says there is no budget and the dive facilities don't get used enough to warrant reinstating them. The Olympic Legacy stops right here then.
Yet another facility to go, theatre closed, cinema closed, dog track closed. To upgrade facilities I Thought you added extra in a new build. Not this council they remove things and build a cheap version which no longer serves the public that get great use from it already. Strangely plans have not been submitted yet, so methinks we have a chance to get our 5m board, not a chance, we have received by email a flat no that says there is no budget and the dive facilities don't get used enough to warrant reinstating them. The Olympic Legacy stops right here then. rachelbettelley@hotmail.com
  • Score: 14

7:13pm Wed 30 Apr 14

James O'Rourke says...

It's Happening Here....NOT!!! Waltham Forests Olympic Legacy!! Cllrs Loakes and Robbins should hold their heads in shame. www.gamesmonitor.org
.uk/node/442
It's Happening Here....NOT!!! Waltham Forests Olympic Legacy!! Cllrs Loakes and Robbins should hold their heads in shame. www.gamesmonitor.org .uk/node/442 James O'Rourke
  • Score: 16

7:14pm Wed 30 Apr 14

James O'Rourke says...

Wonder how WFN (Pravda) will report it?!
Wonder how WFN (Pravda) will report it?! James O'Rourke
  • Score: 11

8:40pm Wed 30 Apr 14

rachelbettelley@hotmail.com says...

WFN had an advert which I have an image of, that told us what changes would happen to our leisure facilities and it stated pool and track would have state of the art swimming and diving facilities.
WFN had an advert which I have an image of, that told us what changes would happen to our leisure facilities and it stated pool and track would have state of the art swimming and diving facilities. rachelbettelley@hotmail.com
  • Score: 11

6:57am Fri 2 May 14

E17006 says...

Does anyone know when the pool finally closes? I'd love to have a final swim there before it does. I rather like the 1970s architecture - shame they couldn't have refurbed rather than demolishing and starting from scratch.

I think there was some famous pop video / TV show (?) filmed there. Does anyone remember what it was?
Does anyone know when the pool finally closes? I'd love to have a final swim there before it does. I rather like the 1970s architecture - shame they couldn't have refurbed rather than demolishing and starting from scratch. I think there was some famous pop video / TV show (?) filmed there. Does anyone remember what it was? E17006
  • Score: 5

8:44am Fri 2 May 14

ICapesy says...

I am at a loss to understand why British Diving sent a representative to back Waltham Forest council Leisure Services and GLL in their decision to drop a 5m platform from the Pool and Track rebuild on 19th Dec 2013.

British Diving’s own guidance document states “New facilities should be encouraged to have a raised pool end for diving lessons and platforms at 1m, 3, and 5m height.” – note the inclusion of 5m. The British Diving rep actively DISCOURAGED the council and GLL from reviewing their crass decision on the rebuild specification. Just why would an organisation dedicated to promoting diving in this country want to support a plan that downgraded any facility? Especially one as iconic as the Pool and Track tower which has been enjoyed since 1966.

Some might recall that this country hosted and won a world level sporting event in 1966. It is very disappointing that the legacy of another world sporting event, the 2012 Olympic Games, has resulted in Waltham Forest council losing a precious facility for a sport this country actually enjoys a degree of success in. And don't forget we were even designated as an Olympic Borough! Proximity to the national Newham Aqua Centre is no reason to decimate local provision for Waltham Forest residents. Waltham Forest Leisure Services should be protecting facilities in Waltham Forest not colluding in sending anything of value down to Newham council.

There has been NO consultation with a bona fide stakeholder group that has used the Pool and Track for 33 years. This has resulted in a seriously flawed rebuild specification. £23m is being used to provide a facility for Waltham Forest residents over the next 5 decades. It is not a sum to be spent lightly. Cllr Khan the Cabinet member responsible for Leisure Services needs to call this whole decision process in for the highest level of political scrutiny and then initiate a proper consultation with user groups properly engage with user groups before any building work begins.
I am at a loss to understand why British Diving sent a representative to back Waltham Forest council Leisure Services and GLL in their decision to drop a 5m platform from the Pool and Track rebuild on 19th Dec 2013. British Diving’s own guidance document states “New facilities should be encouraged to have a raised pool end for diving lessons and platforms at 1m, 3, and 5m height.” – note the inclusion of 5m. The British Diving rep actively DISCOURAGED the council and GLL from reviewing their crass decision on the rebuild specification. Just why would an organisation dedicated to promoting diving in this country want to support a plan that downgraded any facility? Especially one as iconic as the Pool and Track tower which has been enjoyed since 1966. Some might recall that this country hosted and won a world level sporting event in 1966. It is very disappointing that the legacy of another world sporting event, the 2012 Olympic Games, has resulted in Waltham Forest council losing a precious facility for a sport this country actually enjoys a degree of success in. And don't forget we were even designated as an Olympic Borough! Proximity to the national Newham Aqua Centre is no reason to decimate local provision for Waltham Forest residents. Waltham Forest Leisure Services should be protecting facilities in Waltham Forest not colluding in sending anything of value down to Newham council. There has been NO consultation with a bona fide stakeholder group that has used the Pool and Track for 33 years. This has resulted in a seriously flawed rebuild specification. £23m is being used to provide a facility for Waltham Forest residents over the next 5 decades. It is not a sum to be spent lightly. Cllr Khan the Cabinet member responsible for Leisure Services needs to call this whole decision process in for the highest level of political scrutiny and then initiate a proper consultation with user groups properly engage with user groups before any building work begins. ICapesy
  • Score: 16

8:51am Fri 2 May 14

ICapesy says...

I am at a loss to understand why British Diving sent a representative to back Waltham Forest council Leisure Services and GLL in their decision to drop a 5m platform from the Pool and Track rebuild on 19th Dec 2013.

British Diving’s own guidance document states “New facilities should be encouraged to have a raised pool end for diving lessons and platforms at 1m, 3, and 5m height.” – note the inclusion of 5m. The British Diving rep actively DISCOURAGED the council and GLL from reviewing their crass decision on the rebuild specification. Just why would an organisation dedicated to promoting diving in this country want to support a plan that downgraded any facility? Especially one as iconic as the Pool and Track tower which has been enjoyed since 1966.

Some might recall that this country hosted and won a world level sporting event in 1966. It is very disappointing that the legacy of another world sporting event, the 2012 Olympic Games, has resulted in Waltham Forest council losing a precious facility for a sport this country actually enjoys a degree of success in. And don't forget we were even designated as an Olympic Borough! Proximity to the national Newham Aqua Centre is no reason to decimate local provision for Waltham Forest residents. Waltham Forest Leisure Services should be protecting facilities in Waltham Forest not colluding in sending anything of value down to Newham council.

There has been NO consultation with a bona fide stakeholder group that has used the Pool and Track for 33 years. This has resulted in a seriously flawed rebuild specification. £23m is being used to provide a facility for Waltham Forest residents over the next 5 decades. It is not a sum to be spent lightly. Cllr Khan the Cabinet member responsible for Leisure Services needs to call this whole decision process in for the highest level of political scrutiny and then initiate a proper consultation with user groups and properly engage with those user groups before any building work begins.
I am at a loss to understand why British Diving sent a representative to back Waltham Forest council Leisure Services and GLL in their decision to drop a 5m platform from the Pool and Track rebuild on 19th Dec 2013. British Diving’s own guidance document states “New facilities should be encouraged to have a raised pool end for diving lessons and platforms at 1m, 3, and 5m height.” – note the inclusion of 5m. The British Diving rep actively DISCOURAGED the council and GLL from reviewing their crass decision on the rebuild specification. Just why would an organisation dedicated to promoting diving in this country want to support a plan that downgraded any facility? Especially one as iconic as the Pool and Track tower which has been enjoyed since 1966. Some might recall that this country hosted and won a world level sporting event in 1966. It is very disappointing that the legacy of another world sporting event, the 2012 Olympic Games, has resulted in Waltham Forest council losing a precious facility for a sport this country actually enjoys a degree of success in. And don't forget we were even designated as an Olympic Borough! Proximity to the national Newham Aqua Centre is no reason to decimate local provision for Waltham Forest residents. Waltham Forest Leisure Services should be protecting facilities in Waltham Forest not colluding in sending anything of value down to Newham council. There has been NO consultation with a bona fide stakeholder group that has used the Pool and Track for 33 years. This has resulted in a seriously flawed rebuild specification. £23m is being used to provide a facility for Waltham Forest residents over the next 5 decades. It is not a sum to be spent lightly. Cllr Khan the Cabinet member responsible for Leisure Services needs to call this whole decision process in for the highest level of political scrutiny and then initiate a proper consultation with user groups and properly engage with those user groups before any building work begins. ICapesy
  • Score: 9

9:55am Fri 2 May 14

ICapesy says...

If you want to help fight this decision please read and consider signing the online petition at:-

http://www.gopetitio
n.com/petitions/save
-the-5-metre-diving-
board-at-walthamstow
-pool-and-track.html


We have set up a Twitter hashtag #E17savethe5m so please get Tweeting too.

Thanks for any support you can give to raise the profile of this questionable decision making by the council.
If you want to help fight this decision please read and consider signing the online petition at:- http://www.gopetitio n.com/petitions/save -the-5-metre-diving- board-at-walthamstow -pool-and-track.html We have set up a Twitter hashtag #E17savethe5m so please get Tweeting too. Thanks for any support you can give to raise the profile of this questionable decision making by the council. ICapesy
  • Score: 12

10:12am Fri 2 May 14

ICapesy says...

E17006 - the manager Nick told me a few weeks ago that the centre finally closes on 31st August. You can phone the P&T on 020 8527 5431 and take option 2 to check pool opening times.
E17006 - the manager Nick told me a few weeks ago that the centre finally closes on 31st August. You can phone the P&T on 020 8527 5431 and take option 2 to check pool opening times. ICapesy
  • Score: 4

10:42am Sat 3 May 14

judiled says...

Typical you vote the council in and they don't listen. 3 of my kids use this board every week. gll/better have given the club 3 slots at 7 till 8pm at the aquatics centre way too late for my 7 year old. The centre is inconvenient to get to and expensive to park. gll/better seem to be working with the council to get rid of the diving club and take over themselves. They are forcing the club to pay to hire the pool over the school holidays. We, as parents want a break from routine during the holidays. gll/better have sneaked this in with the swimming lessons, so if you go away in the school breaks you still have to pay for lessons. We have 4 children so each week missed is 4 lessons we haven't had. We went else where.
Typical you vote the council in and they don't listen. 3 of my kids use this board every week. gll/better have given the club 3 slots at 7 till 8pm at the aquatics centre way too late for my 7 year old. The centre is inconvenient to get to and expensive to park. gll/better seem to be working with the council to get rid of the diving club and take over themselves. They are forcing the club to pay to hire the pool over the school holidays. We, as parents want a break from routine during the holidays. gll/better have sneaked this in with the swimming lessons, so if you go away in the school breaks you still have to pay for lessons. We have 4 children so each week missed is 4 lessons we haven't had. We went else where. judiled
  • Score: 10

1:38pm Sat 3 May 14

GayeAllcorn says...

This is not "Sport for all", just sport for the elite and those that live near the Aquatic Centre in Stratford, The loss of the 5m board will directly impact the lives of those in Waltham Forest, especially teenagers who love to use the top board and my son, who is a bit of a coach potato as far as other sports are concerned, but will happily go to the swimming pool if he can hurl himself off the 5m platform. I am very disappointed that this decision was taken with no proper consultation or thought for residents of Waltham Forest.
This is not "Sport for all", just sport for the elite and those that live near the Aquatic Centre in Stratford, The loss of the 5m board will directly impact the lives of those in Waltham Forest, especially teenagers who love to use the top board and my son, who is a bit of a coach potato as far as other sports are concerned, but will happily go to the swimming pool if he can hurl himself off the 5m platform. I am very disappointed that this decision was taken with no proper consultation or thought for residents of Waltham Forest. GayeAllcorn
  • Score: 10

12:44pm Sun 4 May 14

mdj says...

I don't swim; my 'stake' here is as a taxpayer.
Can somebody please explain why a building that is barely thirty years old requires complete demolition, to provide what appear to be reduced facilities?
This decision-making process requires close scrutiny, as probably will the tendering process.
Do any of the decision-makers have loyalties outside the borough?
I don't swim; my 'stake' here is as a taxpayer. Can somebody please explain why a building that is barely thirty years old requires complete demolition, to provide what appear to be reduced facilities? This decision-making process requires close scrutiny, as probably will the tendering process. Do any of the decision-makers have loyalties outside the borough? mdj
  • Score: 7

1:03pm Sun 4 May 14

rachelbettelley@hotmail.com says...

If you had been for a swim lately you would understand why it has to be flattened. Swathes of Sand on the bottom of the pool, toilets that don't flush, the ghastly shared shower experience poolside, freezing cold water flowing into the pool whenever they do "backwash". The areas closed off due to asbestos. The stench of urine in areas that can't be cleaned thoroughly as drainage looks clogged up. I can't wait for the refurbishment but am utterly at a loss as to why facilities are removed. This council has no ambition in anything they do, building tiny flats rather than family homes or flats with gardens, giving us more flats and another budget supermarket(Morrison
s) when they build on the car park behind Sainsbury's. The whole development looks ugly packing people into tiny dwellings with an area of outdoor shared space, when everyone else living in the old terraces have the luxury of their own small space. Why Morrisons? If they have ambition it would be Waitrose or M&S.
They should have looked at getting a 10m board post Olympics not getting rid of the 5m board. The Olympic legacy officially ends here at Pool and Track.
If you had been for a swim lately you would understand why it has to be flattened. Swathes of Sand on the bottom of the pool, toilets that don't flush, the ghastly shared shower experience poolside, freezing cold water flowing into the pool whenever they do "backwash". The areas closed off due to asbestos. The stench of urine in areas that can't be cleaned thoroughly as drainage looks clogged up. I can't wait for the refurbishment but am utterly at a loss as to why facilities are removed. This council has no ambition in anything they do, building tiny flats rather than family homes or flats with gardens, giving us more flats and another budget supermarket(Morrison s) when they build on the car park behind Sainsbury's. The whole development looks ugly packing people into tiny dwellings with an area of outdoor shared space, when everyone else living in the old terraces have the luxury of their own small space. Why Morrisons? If they have ambition it would be Waitrose or M&S. They should have looked at getting a 10m board post Olympics not getting rid of the 5m board. The Olympic legacy officially ends here at Pool and Track. rachelbettelley@hotmail.com
  • Score: 8

7:50pm Sun 4 May 14

mdj says...

'If you had been for a swim lately you would understand..'

Thanks for that. So something went badly wrong back in the 80s, or is it a story of defective maintenance?
It's curious that there are stories all over the country of council swimming pool disasters over the last 20 years, with brand new buildings defective or even having to be demolished; when the pools that they replaced had done good service for eighty years, and often had campaigns to save them.
'If you had been for a swim lately you would understand..' Thanks for that. So something went badly wrong back in the 80s, or is it a story of defective maintenance? It's curious that there are stories all over the country of council swimming pool disasters over the last 20 years, with brand new buildings defective or even having to be demolished; when the pools that they replaced had done good service for eighty years, and often had campaigns to save them. mdj
  • Score: 5

12:02am Mon 5 May 14

KTaylorE4 says...

Last week at school my six year old had to draw images in his PHSE lesson of what made him happy and what made him sad. Diving was one of the images he presented as making him happy. He couldn't wait to jump from the 5m platform when he began lessons with WFDC four months ago. I don't want that experience to be taken away from our community.
Last week at school my six year old had to draw images in his PHSE lesson of what made him happy and what made him sad. Diving was one of the images he presented as making him happy. He couldn't wait to jump from the 5m platform when he began lessons with WFDC four months ago. I don't want that experience to be taken away from our community. KTaylorE4
  • Score: 9

9:30am Wed 7 May 14

dlew271 says...

I read that the council had recently lost a court case when they failed to consult relevant parties over moving the Christian Kitchen - with costs awared against Waltham Forest - sounds like history repeating itself again! Call itself an Olympic Borought, where is the Olympic Legacy here? What a JOKE this council is, they should be ashamed. If there were some decent transport links making it easy to get to Stratford (such as opening up the Hall Farm Curve train link) then it wouldn't be so bad.
I read that the council had recently lost a court case when they failed to consult relevant parties over moving the Christian Kitchen - with costs awared against Waltham Forest - sounds like history repeating itself again! Call itself an Olympic Borought, where is the Olympic Legacy here? What a JOKE this council is, they should be ashamed. If there were some decent transport links making it easy to get to Stratford (such as opening up the Hall Farm Curve train link) then it wouldn't be so bad. dlew271
  • Score: 8

9:53am Wed 7 May 14

rachelbettelley@hotmail.com says...

Well looks like council won't budge. They simply won't listen and think what they are doing is in everyone's interest. Last night we had our first diving session at the Olympic park it was utterly marvellous. Because driving was option not bus since time logistics were an issue the parking cost me £5. By the time I got back to Walthamstow it was well past 7 year old bed time. If the 5m board were reinstated I would go back after refurbishment simply because it is more local, convenient and cheaper to get to as I can walk there in 25 minutes. Stratford was such a long way to go for an after school activity. Not looking forward to travelling there in winter on the bus so I will probably drive already looked at car share options with other parents. See already logistics have to be a big part of making residents travel for leisure facilities that we have had in E17 for over 30 years.
Well looks like council won't budge. They simply won't listen and think what they are doing is in everyone's interest. Last night we had our first diving session at the Olympic park it was utterly marvellous. Because driving was option not bus since time logistics were an issue the parking cost me £5. By the time I got back to Walthamstow it was well past 7 year old bed time. If the 5m board were reinstated I would go back after refurbishment simply because it is more local, convenient and cheaper to get to as I can walk there in 25 minutes. Stratford was such a long way to go for an after school activity. Not looking forward to travelling there in winter on the bus so I will probably drive already looked at car share options with other parents. See already logistics have to be a big part of making residents travel for leisure facilities that we have had in E17 for over 30 years. rachelbettelley@hotmail.com
  • Score: 6

3:56pm Wed 7 May 14

ICapesy says...

Rachel - Morrissons do not deserve any negativity. The general lack of and indeed variety of anchor shops in central Walthamstow over such a long time period is I agree a long ongoing drag on development of the Town Centre. Morrisons might even be supportive of this local sports facility as indeed could Waitrose or M&S.

LBWF and GLL could have thought rather more deeply and laterally about the funding of P&T rebuild which has to last for at least the next 50 years. They might even have found an advertiser such as Morrissons or a local car retailer or indeed any other business that would be amenable, with a right professional approach, to part fund a proper dive facility based upon the unique long term advertising sponsorship opportunity afforded by a 5m high hoarding in a leisure facility slap bang in the middle of a regenerating area of East London. If of course there had ever been the will at LBWF to look more intelligently at all possible options to retain a facility that local people have used since 1966.
Rachel - Morrissons do not deserve any negativity. The general lack of and indeed variety of anchor shops in central Walthamstow over such a long time period is I agree a long ongoing drag on development of the Town Centre. Morrisons might even be supportive of this local sports facility as indeed could Waitrose or M&S. LBWF and GLL could have thought rather more deeply and laterally about the funding of P&T rebuild which has to last for at least the next 50 years. They might even have found an advertiser such as Morrissons or a local car retailer or indeed any other business that would be amenable, with a right professional approach, to part fund a proper dive facility based upon the unique long term advertising sponsorship opportunity afforded by a 5m high hoarding in a leisure facility slap bang in the middle of a regenerating area of East London. If of course there had ever been the will at LBWF to look more intelligently at all possible options to retain a facility that local people have used since 1966. ICapesy
  • Score: 4

9:31pm Wed 7 May 14

ICapesy says...

I went down to the diving pit this Wednesday evening at 6:45pm to check if the public session was running. It was open for general public diving so top marks to LBWF Leisure Services for that.

There were kids and teens jumping in, several young men (late teens to early twenties) throwing themselves off the boards and some older gents diving with a bit more style. People of all backgrounds were in there enjoying the adrenaline thrill of the high boards.

I spoke with some of the divers from the public gallery. None of them were aware that the pool was shutting for refurbishment. They were angry and aghast when I told them that the 5m tower would be lost as the council is refusing to include one in the rebuilt facility.

None of these ordinary pool users has been consulted by LBWF about what they actually want from their new Pool and Track when it is rebuilt! This is not just about club diving. It affects all leisure users, current and future, over the 50 year projected life of the new pool.
I went down to the diving pit this Wednesday evening at 6:45pm to check if the public session was running. It was open for general public diving so top marks to LBWF Leisure Services for that. There were kids and teens jumping in, several young men (late teens to early twenties) throwing themselves off the boards and some older gents diving with a bit more style. People of all backgrounds were in there enjoying the adrenaline thrill of the high boards. I spoke with some of the divers from the public gallery. None of them were aware that the pool was shutting for refurbishment. They were angry and aghast when I told them that the 5m tower would be lost as the council is refusing to include one in the rebuilt facility. None of these ordinary pool users has been consulted by LBWF about what they actually want from their new Pool and Track when it is rebuilt! This is not just about club diving. It affects all leisure users, current and future, over the 50 year projected life of the new pool. ICapesy
  • Score: 6

10:22am Fri 9 May 14

DancingDi says...

It is terrible the way the public and the club have been treated over this. Everyone loves the 5m board. Come on council, liaise with the diving club and the residents!

Diane
It is terrible the way the public and the club have been treated over this. Everyone loves the 5m board. Come on council, liaise with the diving club and the residents! Diane DancingDi
  • Score: 7

2:04pm Fri 9 May 14

ICapesy says...

I went to parents evening at my kid's school and found Leisure Services promoting sports clubs in Waltham Forest! This at the same time as they are exporting diving out to Newham council's jurisdiction!! The irony was not lost on me!!! Especially as she and two of her mates had got 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the Sheffield National diving skills competition against 14 - 16 year olds from across the country without any coaching input from the Newham Aqua Centre. This was all Waltham Forest home grown!!!!

This really isn't about them though - they will be fine as they have already reached a certain level. It is the Waltham Forest kids over the next 50 years who will probably never start diving because the current excellent facility on their doorstep is no longer available. My kid would never have started if I had to travel out of borough to Newham. We are also speaking up for public session non club divers who will never be consulted and are not likely to travel to Newham.

Indeed Newham has hardly any open public session provision. Waltham Forest have been excellent at this over the last 5 years. People said this to me during Wednesday evening public session at Pool and Track when I spoke to them.

Cllr Ahsan Khan (LBWF Cabinet member for Health and Wellbeing) needs to seriously think again about what is going on under his watch.

This public sports provision disaster is happening without any local consultation. Two reps for the Amateur Swimming Association told us during our club accreditation that LBWF are legally obliged to consult because we are a bona fide stakeholder group at the Pool & Track. This NEVER happened. Nor were the scuba divers consulted nor I understand the swimming club.
I went to parents evening at my kid's school and found Leisure Services promoting sports clubs in Waltham Forest! This at the same time as they are exporting diving out to Newham council's jurisdiction!! The irony was not lost on me!!! Especially as she and two of her mates had got 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the Sheffield National diving skills competition against 14 - 16 year olds from across the country without any coaching input from the Newham Aqua Centre. This was all Waltham Forest home grown!!!! This really isn't about them though - they will be fine as they have already reached a certain level. It is the Waltham Forest kids over the next 50 years who will probably never start diving because the current excellent facility on their doorstep is no longer available. My kid would never have started if I had to travel out of borough to Newham. We are also speaking up for public session non club divers who will never be consulted and are not likely to travel to Newham. Indeed Newham has hardly any open public session provision. Waltham Forest have been excellent at this over the last 5 years. People said this to me during Wednesday evening public session at Pool and Track when I spoke to them. Cllr Ahsan Khan (LBWF Cabinet member for Health and Wellbeing) needs to seriously think again about what is going on under his watch. This public sports provision disaster is happening without any local consultation. Two reps for the Amateur Swimming Association told us during our club accreditation that LBWF are legally obliged to consult because we are a bona fide stakeholder group at the Pool & Track. This NEVER happened. Nor were the scuba divers consulted nor I understand the swimming club. ICapesy
  • Score: 6

3:52pm Fri 9 May 14

moallen says...

This has been really a really disillusioning process so far. The council always say they want to engage with stakeholders and residents, but in practice, they much rather simply tell us what decisions they have come to is isolation.

There really seems to a disconnect where the council forgets they are simply our representatives.

It seems now, that they are trying to justify a bad decision rather than take the opportunity to have a rethink that would ultimately be the better for our borough.

I hope the councillors take a long hard look at this and questions whether they have followed due process.
This has been really a really disillusioning process so far. The council always say they want to engage with stakeholders and residents, but in practice, they much rather simply tell us what decisions they have come to is isolation. There really seems to a disconnect where the council forgets they are simply our representatives. It seems now, that they are trying to justify a bad decision rather than take the opportunity to have a rethink that would ultimately be the better for our borough. I hope the councillors take a long hard look at this and questions whether they have followed due process. moallen
  • Score: 6

4:38pm Fri 9 May 14

Mumsworkhard says...

Walthamstow is the up and coming area house prices have soared in the last year, everyone wants an E17 postcode, so WHY is the local council and leisure provider GLL skimping on leisure facilities? Im sure the rebuild of the pool and track will include some new activities but surly not at the expense of others. Diving has been at the pool and track since it opened the 5 metre board is the DRAW to getting people to dive I know this from personal experience my children dive for WFDC and have represented their club and borough many times they would never had got into diving if it wasn't for the attraction of the 5 metre board.
When local council and GLL officials were asked why a 5 metre wasn't going to be put back their answer was 'not enough funds' and if people want to go off a 5 metre board then they can go to the London Aquatic centre which by the way only offers a limited time for public diving as premium time is offered to clubs and GLL Learn to dive.
I didn't realise how much diving would take over my life,my children live to dive. Children spend far too much time on tablets, Xbox etc...lets not take this fantastic facility away make it better which is what GLL stand for 'BETTER the feel good place' .
Walthamstow is the up and coming area house prices have soared in the last year, everyone wants an E17 postcode, so WHY is the local council and leisure provider GLL skimping on leisure facilities? Im sure the rebuild of the pool and track will include some new activities but surly not at the expense of others. Diving has been at the pool and track since it opened the 5 metre board is the DRAW to getting people to dive I know this from personal experience my children dive for WFDC and have represented their club and borough many times they would never had got into diving if it wasn't for the attraction of the 5 metre board. When local council and GLL officials were asked why a 5 metre wasn't going to be put back their answer was 'not enough funds' and if people want to go off a 5 metre board then they can go to the London Aquatic centre which by the way only offers a limited time for public diving as premium time is offered to clubs and GLL Learn to dive. I didn't realise how much diving would take over my life,my children live to dive. Children spend far too much time on tablets, Xbox etc...lets not take this fantastic facility away make it better which is what GLL stand for 'BETTER the feel good place' . Mumsworkhard
  • Score: 6

6:01pm Fri 9 May 14

DomiLamp says...

My daughter saw kids jumping of the 5m platform. She wanted to copy them. We told her she had to learn to swim first. After patience and perseverance, she got her reward. She jumped from the top platform and she goes to the diving pit regularly. And the council wants to remove aspiration from our kids!
My daughter saw kids jumping of the 5m platform. She wanted to copy them. We told her she had to learn to swim first. After patience and perseverance, she got her reward. She jumped from the top platform and she goes to the diving pit regularly. And the council wants to remove aspiration from our kids! DomiLamp
  • Score: 6

7:18pm Fri 9 May 14

ICapesy says...

For anyone coming to this story from the paper WFG - the headline is mis-leading. We are not trying to save the 5m tower from the bulldozer. We know it must come down. The building is well past its 'use by' date.

It is the lack of a replacement 5m - and even more the lack of required local consultation about the entire rebuild - that we are highlighting to borough residents.

The council is apparently spending £23m on a project to benefit Waltham Forest residents for the next 50 years and yet there has been no local consultation by the senior council officers about what we collectively want.

And Cllr Ahsan Khan (LBWF Cabinet member for Health & Wellbeing including Leisure Services) doesn't see anything wrong with this in his repeated communications with local residents across the borough. His responses merely echo the very same senior council officer advice which has failed to consult locally in the first place. It's like Groundhog Day!

Is Hoe Street ward really that safe Cllr Khan?
For anyone coming to this story from the paper WFG - the headline is mis-leading. We are not trying to save the 5m tower from the bulldozer. We know it must come down. The building is well past its 'use by' date. It is the lack of a replacement 5m - and even more the lack of required local consultation about the entire rebuild - that we are highlighting to borough residents. The council is apparently spending £23m on a project to benefit Waltham Forest residents for the next 50 years and yet there has been no local consultation by the senior council officers about what we collectively want. And Cllr Ahsan Khan (LBWF Cabinet member for Health & Wellbeing including Leisure Services) doesn't see anything wrong with this in his repeated communications with local residents across the borough. His responses merely echo the very same senior council officer advice which has failed to consult locally in the first place. It's like Groundhog Day! Is Hoe Street ward really that safe Cllr Khan? ICapesy
  • Score: 4

2:00pm Sun 11 May 14

honeyandthyme says...

The council have no idea about people who live in their borough. Do they really think the 5m diving is only used by wanna be future olympic competetors who have all the time, money and dedecation to go to the aquatic center every time?
Why have there been no leaflets posted into dorrs of the local community about the plans.
No contact or infomation given to regulars who use the pool and track not even to ask us what we think about the plans and what we would like to see.
There is not even ANYTHING at the pool and track now stating|:
A. The new plans
B. The effects this will have on locals, dureing and after the build.
C. A question or survey of what we want.

Cllr Ahsan Khan (LBWF Cabinet member for Health and Wellbeing) needs to seriously take note that he has a community to communicate with. We are the people who use our facilities, please ask us, listen to us and respect our requests.
We are not an olympic legacy if we do not encourage our children as a borough to reach goals, by removing what is important to them.
The council have no idea about people who live in their borough. Do they really think the 5m diving is only used by wanna be future olympic competetors who have all the time, money and dedecation to go to the aquatic center every time? Why have there been no leaflets posted into dorrs of the local community about the plans. No contact or infomation given to regulars who use the pool and track not even to ask us what we think about the plans and what we would like to see. There is not even ANYTHING at the pool and track now stating|: A. The new plans B. The effects this will have on locals, dureing and after the build. C. A question or survey of what we want. Cllr Ahsan Khan (LBWF Cabinet member for Health and Wellbeing) needs to seriously take note that he has a community to communicate with. We are the people who use our facilities, please ask us, listen to us and respect our requests. We are not an olympic legacy if we do not encourage our children as a borough to reach goals, by removing what is important to them. honeyandthyme
  • Score: 6

6:50pm Sun 11 May 14

ICapesy says...

I despair at the lack of local consultation and inept decision making process surrounding the £23m Waltham Forest Pool & Track rebuild scheme. Joined up government! All that Waltham Forest council, British Diving, London Swimming and the ASA are interested in are those young people that eventually get to the top of British Diving's elitist pyramid development pathway structure. It stinks - no other word for it. Waltham Forest residents, especially young people, have been utterly betrayed by the senior council officers and especially Cllr Ahsan Khan the Cabinet member for Health and Wellbeing. That is the health and wellbeing of Waltham Forest residents councillor - not Newham residents - not the regional south east - not the rest of the country. Get a grip on your portfolio responsibilities Councillor Khan!

It's an immoral use of vast sums of public money that ultimately benefits only the very few who make it to the apex of the national structure. The ASA, Waltham Forest council, British Diving and London swimming are so tunnel visioned - youth engagement, social / community cohesion, sport for all initiatives, local access etc - everything sacrificed on a 'bonfire of the vanities' project to find the next Tom Daley. They also forget that our very own Pete Waterfield (Commonwealth Games and Olympic medalist) first started out on the Pool and Track 5m platform.
I despair at the lack of local consultation and inept decision making process surrounding the £23m Waltham Forest Pool & Track rebuild scheme. Joined up government! All that Waltham Forest council, British Diving, London Swimming and the ASA are interested in are those young people that eventually get to the top of British Diving's elitist pyramid development pathway structure. It stinks - no other word for it. Waltham Forest residents, especially young people, have been utterly betrayed by the senior council officers and especially Cllr Ahsan Khan the Cabinet member for Health and Wellbeing. That is the health and wellbeing of Waltham Forest residents councillor - not Newham residents - not the regional south east - not the rest of the country. Get a grip on your portfolio responsibilities Councillor Khan! It's an immoral use of vast sums of public money that ultimately benefits only the very few who make it to the apex of the national structure. The ASA, Waltham Forest council, British Diving and London swimming are so tunnel visioned - youth engagement, social / community cohesion, sport for all initiatives, local access etc - everything sacrificed on a 'bonfire of the vanities' project to find the next Tom Daley. They also forget that our very own Pete Waterfield (Commonwealth Games and Olympic medalist) first started out on the Pool and Track 5m platform. ICapesy
  • Score: 5

10:22pm Mon 12 May 14

Mumsworkhard says...

Gll are now running Tom Daley learn To dive programme, wouldn't it be interesting to see what he thinks about the 5 metre board not being replaced!!
Gll are now running Tom Daley learn To dive programme, wouldn't it be interesting to see what he thinks about the 5 metre board not being replaced!! Mumsworkhard
  • Score: 2

8:39am Tue 13 May 14

Boulty72 says...

Enough is enough, the pool and track is known for it's diving boards and we are in Waltham Forest not Newham. Come on Councillor's give us our right to be proud to support our own local clubs with the facilities we already have in this Borough not elsewhere.
Enough is enough, the pool and track is known for it's diving boards and we are in Waltham Forest not Newham. Come on Councillor's give us our right to be proud to support our own local clubs with the facilities we already have in this Borough not elsewhere. Boulty72
  • Score: 4

1:25pm Tue 13 May 14

rachelbettelley@hotmail.com says...

The response I received from Cllr Ahsan Khan indirectly via Claire Coghill who followed up my concerns, how does this make you feel as a resident?
:
As you are aware Waltham Forest Pool and Track currently hosts diving boards at 1m, 3m and 5m. The Pool and Track will be closed in September 2014 and a new facility will be built.
As part of the design process the Council had discussions with British Diving, the Amateur swimming Association, London Swimming and GLL to determine the future provision particularly with regard to diving and the impact of the London Aquatics Centre in Stratford. The Aquatics Centre hosts 1m, 3m, 5m, 7m and 10m boards and re-opened in March 2014.
Having considered the provision and legacy from the Aquatics Centre and the budget available for the new Waltham Forest Leisure Centre, the proposals for our new facility included two 1m springboards, one 3m springboard and one 3m platform but removed the 5m provision.
The Aquatics Centre will host a significant learn to dive programme and a high performance programme (Olympic athletes) and provides a range of provision including a large dry dive facility. The benefits for this are available for all levels from flip and fun, learn to dive and then options to join the diving pathway.
The Council has been committed to retaining some diving provision within the new facility, a decision that many other local authorities have moved away from. A number of rebuilt facilities have removed diving boards altogether due to the revenue and capital implications.
I am aware that Officers from the Council have met with the diving club on several occasions and I note your continued concerns regarding the removal of the 5m platform from the proposed redevelopment. Having listened to your views, Officers revisited the designs of the new centre to establish whether there are any alternative pool configurations that can accommodate the 5m platform without impacting on both capital and revenue costs and the programme. The affordability of any solution is of paramount importance to the Council.
The results of the design review have been considered and due to the cost implications both capital and revenue, the Council will not be replacing the 5m platform. This decision has not been taken lightly and I appreciate that you will be unhappy with this outcome.
The provision of a 3m springboard, 3m platform and 1m Spring boards as a replacement for the existing facilities will ensure a focus on skill development, level of nurturing and develop divers as part of a pathway that will link to a regional development centre based at the London Aquatics Centre. This allows a real opportunity of creating a consistent diving pathway for local athletes of Waltham Forest if they so wish.
I am aware that Officers have negotiated on behalf of the Waltham Forest Diving Club to be the host club in the Aquatics Centre offering the club much more than can be offered in the borough. During the refurbishment phase the allocated hours will be on a like for like basis and the Council has agreed to fund any difference in cost through a grant to the club. Preferential rates are available for clubs within the host boroughs at the London Aquatics Centre, the hourly hire rate is £64.00 per hour. Whilst this cost is higher than the current pool hire cost at Waltham Forest Pool and Track, it is a much larger facility and provides the opportunity to maximise usage through increasing numbers at each session.

You requested that this matter be referred to Scrutiny, there no Overview and Scrutiny Management Committee meetings scheduled until June 14 As the Cabinet Member for Health and Wellbeing, I do appreciate that you will remain unhappy with the decision to remove the 5m platform, however the Council must take into account the affordability of such facilities and ensure that the provision offered can be sustained.
The response I received from Cllr Ahsan Khan indirectly via Claire Coghill who followed up my concerns, how does this make you feel as a resident? : As you are aware Waltham Forest Pool and Track currently hosts diving boards at 1m, 3m and 5m. The Pool and Track will be closed in September 2014 and a new facility will be built. As part of the design process the Council had discussions with British Diving, the Amateur swimming Association, London Swimming and GLL to determine the future provision particularly with regard to diving and the impact of the London Aquatics Centre in Stratford. The Aquatics Centre hosts 1m, 3m, 5m, 7m and 10m boards and re-opened in March 2014. Having considered the provision and legacy from the Aquatics Centre and the budget available for the new Waltham Forest Leisure Centre, the proposals for our new facility included two 1m springboards, one 3m springboard and one 3m platform but removed the 5m provision. The Aquatics Centre will host a significant learn to dive programme and a high performance programme (Olympic athletes) and provides a range of provision including a large dry dive facility. The benefits for this are available for all levels from flip and fun, learn to dive and then options to join the diving pathway. The Council has been committed to retaining some diving provision within the new facility, a decision that many other local authorities have moved away from. A number of rebuilt facilities have removed diving boards altogether due to the revenue and capital implications. I am aware that Officers from the Council have met with the diving club on several occasions and I note your continued concerns regarding the removal of the 5m platform from the proposed redevelopment. Having listened to your views, Officers revisited the designs of the new centre to establish whether there are any alternative pool configurations that can accommodate the 5m platform without impacting on both capital and revenue costs and the programme. The affordability of any solution is of paramount importance to the Council. The results of the design review have been considered and due to the cost implications both capital and revenue, the Council will not be replacing the 5m platform. This decision has not been taken lightly and I appreciate that you will be unhappy with this outcome. The provision of a 3m springboard, 3m platform and 1m Spring boards as a replacement for the existing facilities will ensure a focus on skill development, level of nurturing and develop divers as part of a pathway that will link to a regional development centre based at the London Aquatics Centre. This allows a real opportunity of creating a consistent diving pathway for local athletes of Waltham Forest if they so wish. I am aware that Officers have negotiated on behalf of the Waltham Forest Diving Club to be the host club in the Aquatics Centre offering the club much more than can be offered in the borough. During the refurbishment phase the allocated hours will be on a like for like basis and the Council has agreed to fund any difference in cost through a grant to the club. Preferential rates are available for clubs within the host boroughs at the London Aquatics Centre, the hourly hire rate is £64.00 per hour. Whilst this cost is higher than the current pool hire cost at Waltham Forest Pool and Track, it is a much larger facility and provides the opportunity to maximise usage through increasing numbers at each session. You requested that this matter be referred to Scrutiny, there no Overview and Scrutiny Management Committee meetings scheduled until June 14 As the Cabinet Member for Health and Wellbeing, I do appreciate that you will remain unhappy with the decision to remove the 5m platform, however the Council must take into account the affordability of such facilities and ensure that the provision offered can be sustained. rachelbettelley@hotmail.com
  • Score: 0

6:57am Wed 14 May 14

stephenholden674 says...

I agree and this needs addressing
I agree and this needs addressing stephenholden674
  • Score: 2

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