Teenage Tory 'should be pulled up' over Twitter claims

Teenage Tory 'should be pulled up' over Twitter claims

Chris Criscoine

Cllr Leon Girling

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A teenage election candidate should be ‘pulled up’ by his party over Twitter claims, according to an opposition councillor.

With just weeks to go until the local election, Loughton Resident’s Association’s (LRA) Leon Girling and the district’s youngest candidate, 18-year-old Conservative Chris Criscione, have gone head-to-head on social media.

Chriscione has accused the LRA of neglecting damaged roads in the area and claimed Tories were responsible for ensuring street lights were left on for an extra hour for the benefit of commuters.

Cllr Girling, of Loughton Broadway ward, said the teenager is “misinformed” as road repairs and the scheme to switch street lights off at night were the responsibility of the Tory-led county council.

He said: “It is so dodgy for him to be making all these claims about our party. He talks about LRA at county but there is only one LRA member at county council.

“The decisions and the cuts are all from the Conservative party.

“His agent Valarie Metcalfe should have pulled him up on these Tweets straight away.

“The LRA was totally against the switch off of the lights and he is claiming that his party was successful in getting them to stay on later.

“It was the Conservative controlled county council that had the lights turned off.”

The row began on Sunday when Cllr Girling described Conservative councillors canvassing at the farmer’s market as “out of touch” and accused them of bullying the people of Debden.

Criscione, the Tory party hopeful in Loughton Alderton, hit back, accusing the LRA of “doing nothing” for the district.

One of Chris Criscione’s last messages posted on the site stated that he was ‘appalled’ by the LRA.

Mr Criscione said that he was not criticising Cllr Girling, but his party.

He said: “I’ve spoken to my party and I won’t be pulled up for the Tweets.

“I was Tweeting about the LRA, not about what he does in his ward. I know what is being done in my ward because I have lived here my entire life.”

In his latest Tweet Mr Criscione challenged the LRA over potholes.

He said: “The roads in Loughton Alderton ward come under the remit of Cllr Chris Pond.

“It’s his job to look after highways in that area.”

The election takes place on May 22.

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4:24pm Fri 9 May 14

villager1 says...

what a thick young man - he should know that Highways and street lighting come under the remit of Essex County Council and the Tories are the majority party on there and they control everything, not individual councillors of minority parties. Imagine blaming Cll Pond for the failure to repair potholes! Does not bode well if he is planning on entering politics - what is that old slogan? "the tories are the cream of Britain - thick, rich and full of clots" so nothing has changed then.
what a thick young man - he should know that Highways and street lighting come under the remit of Essex County Council and the Tories are the majority party on there and they control everything, not individual councillors of minority parties. Imagine blaming Cll Pond for the failure to repair potholes! Does not bode well if he is planning on entering politics - what is that old slogan? "the tories are the cream of Britain - thick, rich and full of clots" so nothing has changed then. villager1
  • Score: 9

6:02pm Fri 9 May 14

JohnHobbs1973 says...

Judging by the Tweets from this very young man he seems to be unaware just how much the local ward Cllrs are doing. I believe there is 1 Conservative Town Cllr that represents Alderton ward, but he never turns up to meetings. I may be wrong and apologise if this is not the case, but I have checked the meeting minutes.

I have viewed recent council meeting minutes at the District council and have found that Lance pressed the District Council to do something about the increasingly poor state of the Oakwood Hill buildings and roads. His actions led directly to the allocation of £200,000 by the District Council and £200,000 by the County Council for an Estate Enhancement Scheme, covering mainly improvements to the paths and roads and street lighting over the next two years. The LRA are active you just need to read up on there work. I receive the LRA newsletters and they are one of the only groups that keep in touch when it's not election time.

I always see him around the estate chatting to residents.

I was very disappointed when the Conservatives voted to destroy the Winston Churchill pub. As someone that works with young families the Conservative parties decision to reduce our local children's centre provision is rediculous. From what I see looking at previous Guardian stories it's only been Cllr Girling who spoke out against the closures. The Conservatives stayed quiet as it was their colleagues at County making the decision.

I also haven't had a manifesto yet from the conservatives in Alderton Ward, but I here it isn't pleasant reading.
Judging by the Tweets from this very young man he seems to be unaware just how much the local ward Cllrs are doing. I believe there is 1 Conservative Town Cllr that represents Alderton ward, but he never turns up to meetings. I may be wrong and apologise if this is not the case, but I have checked the meeting minutes. I have viewed recent council meeting minutes at the District council and have found that Lance pressed the District Council to do something about the increasingly poor state of the Oakwood Hill buildings and roads. His actions led directly to the allocation of £200,000 by the District Council and £200,000 by the County Council for an Estate Enhancement Scheme, covering mainly improvements to the paths and roads and street lighting over the next two years. The LRA are active you just need to read up on there work. I receive the LRA newsletters and they are one of the only groups that keep in touch when it's not election time. I always see him around the estate chatting to residents. I was very disappointed when the Conservatives voted to destroy the Winston Churchill pub. As someone that works with young families the Conservative parties decision to reduce our local children's centre provision is rediculous. From what I see looking at previous Guardian stories it's only been Cllr Girling who spoke out against the closures. The Conservatives stayed quiet as it was their colleagues at County making the decision. I also haven't had a manifesto yet from the conservatives in Alderton Ward, but I here it isn't pleasant reading. JohnHobbs1973
  • Score: 9

10:15pm Fri 9 May 14

girlfromessex says...

His age isn't the issue here, he is totally out of order and he knows it. He also knows how to use the media, and the EF Guardian fell for it.

The point is that Tory-led Essex County Council are responsible for the roads and Chris Criscione and his mentor, Valerie Metcalf, are both Conservatives and Valerie is a County Councillor. She recently claimed to have the ear of the portfolio holder who turned off our lights, so why can't she get him to fill in our potholes?

And don't forget it was the Conservatives who at EFDC level chose to vote to demolish the Winston Churchill pub, outvoting the LRA and the people who live in Debden. I watched that debate online and it was clear that the LRA and also Loughton Town Council objections to the development had no chance off success, the Conservatives had already made up their mind before they went to the council chamber.

The LRA are a small minority outside of Loughton and they are easily outvoted by the Conservatives, so it is nonsense to say that they can do anything about the roads other than keep on badgering ECC to do what they are paid to do. While the Conservatives hold the power at ECC, our services will keep on diminishing and there is little any other party, Labour, Green or LRA can do about it.

I receive the LRA weekly email and it is highly valued, they care about the area because they live here and they are not told what to do or how to think by a national party.

As for Leon Girling and Jennie Hart, they have both been a breath of fresh air here in Debden. I see Jennie isn't standing in this election and she will be greatly missed. As for Santa Leon, long may he continue to support our community. Chris Pond will be good for Debden, and he gets my vote because he has helped my school on a couple of occasions - he also answers emails when you send him one!
His age isn't the issue here, he is totally out of order and he knows it. He also knows how to use the media, and the EF Guardian fell for it. The point is that Tory-led Essex County Council are responsible for the roads and Chris Criscione and his mentor, Valerie Metcalf, are both Conservatives and Valerie is a County Councillor. She recently claimed to have the ear of the portfolio holder who turned off our lights, so why can't she get him to fill in our potholes? And don't forget it was the Conservatives who at EFDC level chose to vote to demolish the Winston Churchill pub, outvoting the LRA and the people who live in Debden. I watched that debate online and it was clear that the LRA and also Loughton Town Council objections to the development had no chance off success, the Conservatives had already made up their mind before they went to the council chamber. The LRA are a small minority outside of Loughton and they are easily outvoted by the Conservatives, so it is nonsense to say that they can do anything about the roads other than keep on badgering ECC to do what they are paid to do. While the Conservatives hold the power at ECC, our services will keep on diminishing and there is little any other party, Labour, Green or LRA can do about it. I receive the LRA weekly email and it is highly valued, they care about the area because they live here and they are not told what to do or how to think by a national party. As for Leon Girling and Jennie Hart, they have both been a breath of fresh air here in Debden. I see Jennie isn't standing in this election and she will be greatly missed. As for Santa Leon, long may he continue to support our community. Chris Pond will be good for Debden, and he gets my vote because he has helped my school on a couple of occasions - he also answers emails when you send him one! girlfromessex
  • Score: 7

11:01pm Fri 9 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

Let's not forget that he is 18 years old. He is far too young to represent people as a Councillor in my opinion and should enjoy his youth rather being bogged down in Council Chambers with a bunch of baggy reared bores.
Let's not forget that he is 18 years old. He is far too young to represent people as a Councillor in my opinion and should enjoy his youth rather being bogged down in Council Chambers with a bunch of baggy reared bores. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 2

7:19am Sat 10 May 14

pan says...

The candidate is entitled to have his own opinion, it is us the electorate that get to pick not what their opposition tell us we must do.
The LRA are good at certain things but do have a massive chip on their shoulder about the Conservatives and have over stepped their ethos many times of being non political on many occasions. That ethos could be a misleading claim.
Why has the LRA fallen for this type of public "spat" it seems that maybe they haven't got to grips with social media and they seem to feel that they are not allowed to be opposed?
How democratic
The candidate is entitled to have his own opinion, it is us the electorate that get to pick not what their opposition tell us we must do. The LRA are good at certain things but do have a massive chip on their shoulder about the Conservatives and have over stepped their ethos many times of being non political on many occasions. That ethos could be a misleading claim. Why has the LRA fallen for this type of public "spat" it seems that maybe they haven't got to grips with social media and they seem to feel that they are not allowed to be opposed? How democratic pan
  • Score: 3

11:38am Sat 10 May 14

girlfromessex says...

I think if I was a LRA councillor I would also be annoyed with the Conservatives as they seem to block everything that the LRA wants to do on principle, and that may be why they voted for the redevelopment of the Winston Churchill. Remember it is not that long ago that the Conservative portfolio holder wanted to dump all of EF's allocation of housing in Debden, and thankfully the LRA were able to call that decision in. Maybe the Tory's saw the Churchill bid as 'payback time?'

Tory-led ECC seems to forget we are here at times. It does not provide us with many, if any, youth facilities, there are absolutely no adult education or evening classes provided here, older people do not get free travel on the tube, and if you nip into Redbridge or Waltham Forest there are all sorts of things on offer for people with disabilities including free community buses, but not here in Loughton, yet we pay as much if not more council tax as they do.

Our school tried for two years to get ECC to take our concerns about parking in the road seriously, and in the end we called in the LRA and Chris Pond took up our case. That is why Chris will get my vote!

The fact that they got involved in the 'spat' is because the LRA are not ambitious politicians, In General Elections members all vote for their favourite national parties, but I have to say that a lot of traditional Conservative voters have been put off voting Tory because of how we see them behave locally and many of us are still unhappy over the way Ms Laing dealt with her expenses: http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/newstopi
cs/mps-expenses/6442
038/MPs-expenses-Ele
anor-Laing-reselecte
d.html
I think if I was a LRA councillor I would also be annoyed with the Conservatives as they seem to block everything that the LRA wants to do on principle, and that may be why they voted for the redevelopment of the Winston Churchill. Remember it is not that long ago that the Conservative portfolio holder wanted to dump all of EF's allocation of housing in Debden, and thankfully the LRA were able to call that decision in. Maybe the Tory's saw the Churchill bid as 'payback time?' Tory-led ECC seems to forget we are here at times. It does not provide us with many, if any, youth facilities, there are absolutely no adult education or evening classes provided here, older people do not get free travel on the tube, and if you nip into Redbridge or Waltham Forest there are all sorts of things on offer for people with disabilities including free community buses, but not here in Loughton, yet we pay as much if not more council tax as they do. Our school tried for two years to get ECC to take our concerns about parking in the road seriously, and in the end we called in the LRA and Chris Pond took up our case. That is why Chris will get my vote! The fact that they got involved in the 'spat' is because the LRA are not ambitious politicians, In General Elections members all vote for their favourite national parties, but I have to say that a lot of traditional Conservative voters have been put off voting Tory because of how we see them behave locally and many of us are still unhappy over the way Ms Laing dealt with her expenses: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/newstopi cs/mps-expenses/6442 038/MPs-expenses-Ele anor-Laing-reselecte d.html girlfromessex
  • Score: 1

11:42am Sat 10 May 14

girlfromessex says...

sorry, but that link does not seem to work, hopefully this one will

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/newstopi
cs/mps-expenses/6442
038/MPs-expenses-Ele
anor-Laing-reselecte
d.html
sorry, but that link does not seem to work, hopefully this one will http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/newstopi cs/mps-expenses/6442 038/MPs-expenses-Ele anor-Laing-reselecte d.html girlfromessex
  • Score: 0

3:31pm Sat 10 May 14

pan says...

I gree with some of what you say Girlfromessex but the LRA can and do turn things to suite as and when, which is fine if you don't then try and play the victim card.

Blaming others for your misfortunes can only be applied so many times and it has been applied in this instance for years, they take credit but accept no responsibility for poor performance.

You mention the Winston Churchill pub issue. The LRA seem to claim opposition towards the development but in reality seem to just seek a compromise. Oppose means oppose, compromise means that you accept the change but have a differing opinion to the outcome so to claim opposition and seen to be behind the public support of the pub is misleading.

Just watch the council pod-cast of the planning meeting for the pub, its on the district council website and see the Tories request the public be banned from being there in their democratic way and for them to be thrown out (of which the LRA just sat on their hands) and the LRA very meekly speak up to compromise. Its hardly an opposition

No wonder the Tories walk all over them.

As for county council the LRA are right the Tories hold the trump card but on one hand that is because we the public have voted for that, in a democracy you have to accept that and work within its boundaries.

The blame game gets boring. Very boring and so does all the misinformation.
I gree with some of what you say Girlfromessex but the LRA can and do turn things to suite as and when, which is fine if you don't then try and play the victim card. Blaming others for your misfortunes can only be applied so many times and it has been applied in this instance for years, they take credit but accept no responsibility for poor performance. You mention the Winston Churchill pub issue. The LRA seem to claim opposition towards the development but in reality seem to just seek a compromise. Oppose means oppose, compromise means that you accept the change but have a differing opinion to the outcome so to claim opposition and seen to be behind the public support of the pub is misleading. Just watch the council pod-cast of the planning meeting for the pub, its on the district council website and see the Tories request the public be banned from being there in their democratic way and for them to be thrown out (of which the LRA just sat on their hands) and the LRA very meekly speak up to compromise. Its hardly an opposition No wonder the Tories walk all over them. As for county council the LRA are right the Tories hold the trump card but on one hand that is because we the public have voted for that, in a democracy you have to accept that and work within its boundaries. The blame game gets boring. Very boring and so does all the misinformation. pan
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Sun 11 May 14

MICHAEL MCGOUGH says...

This young boy must have a very poor social life if he wishes to enter the tedious world of local politics/.With no experience and junior qualifications I cannot see what he brings to the table .
This young boy must have a very poor social life if he wishes to enter the tedious world of local politics/.With no experience and junior qualifications I cannot see what he brings to the table . MICHAEL MCGOUGH
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Sun 11 May 14

JohnHobbs1973 says...

After looking at the young mans further twitter activity online I have stumbled across this http://www.veooz.com
/news/2H7A2e8.html
I am concerned that if the journalists at the Guardian dig further they may well find further errors of poor judgement by this young conservative. I do hope this will not be the case.

Why is he complaining of the LRA on this site, does the poor lad have no idea who his local opponents are. Please excuse my ignorance of social media.

I appreciate 'Pans' comments to keep the debate equal. Although friends reading Pan's comments think this could be a serving Conservative Cllr. They seem very adamant to discredit a small local residents group in such a hurtful way. It must embarrass the National Conservative Party that a small passionate group of residents living in Loughton have kept them from gaining seats in the largest Town in the District.

I am sure Pan is a concerned resident like myself.

I happened to be shopping in Loughton last Sunday and was a little disappointed that the Conservatives seemed to be targeting children with balloons rather than those of voting age, that's a bit of a low tactic.

I must be clear I do not wish my comments to be seen as an attack on the Conservative Party, just express my disappointment in their local actions.

However, I have now had the disappointment of reading The Conservatives Roding ward manifesto. It is written in a very angry tone, aimed at attacking only one party. I feel it would have had more impact if they focused on local issues, shame.
After looking at the young mans further twitter activity online I have stumbled across this http://www.veooz.com /news/2H7A2e8.html I am concerned that if the journalists at the Guardian dig further they may well find further errors of poor judgement by this young conservative. I do hope this will not be the case. Why is he complaining of the LRA on this site, does the poor lad have no idea who his local opponents are. Please excuse my ignorance of social media. I appreciate 'Pans' comments to keep the debate equal. Although friends reading Pan's comments think this could be a serving Conservative Cllr. They seem very adamant to discredit a small local residents group in such a hurtful way. It must embarrass the National Conservative Party that a small passionate group of residents living in Loughton have kept them from gaining seats in the largest Town in the District. I am sure Pan is a concerned resident like myself. I happened to be shopping in Loughton last Sunday and was a little disappointed that the Conservatives seemed to be targeting children with balloons rather than those of voting age, that's a bit of a low tactic. I must be clear I do not wish my comments to be seen as an attack on the Conservative Party, just express my disappointment in their local actions. However, I have now had the disappointment of reading The Conservatives Roding ward manifesto. It is written in a very angry tone, aimed at attacking only one party. I feel it would have had more impact if they focused on local issues, shame. JohnHobbs1973
  • Score: 2

7:22am Mon 12 May 14

pan says...

JohnHobbs1973 wrote:
After looking at the young mans further twitter activity online I have stumbled across this http://www.veooz.com

/news/2H7A2e8.html
I am concerned that if the journalists at the Guardian dig further they may well find further errors of poor judgement by this young conservative. I do hope this will not be the case.

Why is he complaining of the LRA on this site, does the poor lad have no idea who his local opponents are. Please excuse my ignorance of social media.

I appreciate 'Pans' comments to keep the debate equal. Although friends reading Pan's comments think this could be a serving Conservative Cllr. They seem very adamant to discredit a small local residents group in such a hurtful way. It must embarrass the National Conservative Party that a small passionate group of residents living in Loughton have kept them from gaining seats in the largest Town in the District.

I am sure Pan is a concerned resident like myself.

I happened to be shopping in Loughton last Sunday and was a little disappointed that the Conservatives seemed to be targeting children with balloons rather than those of voting age, that's a bit of a low tactic.

I must be clear I do not wish my comments to be seen as an attack on the Conservative Party, just express my disappointment in their local actions.

However, I have now had the disappointment of reading The Conservatives Roding ward manifesto. It is written in a very angry tone, aimed at attacking only one party. I feel it would have had more impact if they focused on local issues, shame.
I do not support either and view them really as a hobsons choice when it comes to voting.
It annoys me that they all seem to feel they have a God given right to twist the truth to suite themselves but attack each other for doing it. I think the Conservative candidate has probably been selected because he has been highlighted for further training and this is the start of his career. As much as I believe it is good to see youngsters come forward into politics 18 is probably a little young for this position.

As for the LRA I believe they are clutching at anything they can to blame all negative issues on and taking any credit even if it is not due to promote themselves. Some of their candidates are very good but some very poor. One of their district councillors for this particular ward I very much doubt ever even sets foot in the ward.
[quote][p][bold]JohnHobbs1973[/bold] wrote: After looking at the young mans further twitter activity online I have stumbled across this http://www.veooz.com /news/2H7A2e8.html I am concerned that if the journalists at the Guardian dig further they may well find further errors of poor judgement by this young conservative. I do hope this will not be the case. Why is he complaining of the LRA on this site, does the poor lad have no idea who his local opponents are. Please excuse my ignorance of social media. I appreciate 'Pans' comments to keep the debate equal. Although friends reading Pan's comments think this could be a serving Conservative Cllr. They seem very adamant to discredit a small local residents group in such a hurtful way. It must embarrass the National Conservative Party that a small passionate group of residents living in Loughton have kept them from gaining seats in the largest Town in the District. I am sure Pan is a concerned resident like myself. I happened to be shopping in Loughton last Sunday and was a little disappointed that the Conservatives seemed to be targeting children with balloons rather than those of voting age, that's a bit of a low tactic. I must be clear I do not wish my comments to be seen as an attack on the Conservative Party, just express my disappointment in their local actions. However, I have now had the disappointment of reading The Conservatives Roding ward manifesto. It is written in a very angry tone, aimed at attacking only one party. I feel it would have had more impact if they focused on local issues, shame.[/p][/quote]I do not support either and view them really as a hobsons choice when it comes to voting. It annoys me that they all seem to feel they have a God given right to twist the truth to suite themselves but attack each other for doing it. I think the Conservative candidate has probably been selected because he has been highlighted for further training and this is the start of his career. As much as I believe it is good to see youngsters come forward into politics 18 is probably a little young for this position. As for the LRA I believe they are clutching at anything they can to blame all negative issues on and taking any credit even if it is not due to promote themselves. Some of their candidates are very good but some very poor. One of their district councillors for this particular ward I very much doubt ever even sets foot in the ward. pan
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Tue 13 May 14

P Williamson says...

What a load of a rubbish. Cllr Girling why on gods earth are you picking on a 18 year old kid. Shame on you . I am concerned that there are many young Candidates in this election who don't have life experience . Who are selection them? I won't be voting for either now.
What a load of a rubbish. Cllr Girling why on gods earth are you picking on a 18 year old kid. Shame on you . I am concerned that there are many young Candidates in this election who don't have life experience . Who are selection them? I won't be voting for either now. P Williamson
  • Score: 0

5:34am Mon 26 May 14

JohnHobbs1973 says...

P Williamson wrote:
What a load of a rubbish. Cllr Girling why on gods earth are you picking on a 18 year old kid. Shame on you . I am concerned that there are many young Candidates in this election who don't have life experience . Who are selection them? I won't be voting for either now.
Actually if you read all the Twitter feeds at the time Cllr Girling got involved because the young lad was ranting incorrectly on Twitter about all LRA Councillors, which would have included Cllr Girling.

When I read the Tweets it seems that Cllr Girling was actually correcting a lot of Chris's incorrect slurs on the existing LRA Cllrs, particularly Lance Leanord. He even at one point (I think) invited the young lad to meet with him to discuss his concerns. I would hope that Chris took Cllr Girling up on the offer as it seemed Chris had many issues to discuss on Twitter at the time, let's hope so.

As a resident in Alderton Ward (Deepdene) I know how much Lance has done for our area and admire Cllr Girling for standing up for what was simply Conservative election tactics and yes I know every party does it.

It doesn't matter how young a candidate is, if they are attempting to represent myself, my family and our area as our Cllr they shouldn't be blaming the LRA for things that are solely the responsibility of the Conservative controlled District & County Councils to rectify. Chris was simply ranting on Twiiter to stir things up and get more votes.

Be careful judging Cllrs who have a reputation for doing a lot in their wards like Cllr Girling. I also hear from Cllr Stephen Murrey that Cllr Girling is a breath of fresh air at the Town and District Councils. I would suggest that you do not judge a Cllrs character simply because they pull someone less experienced up on their incorrect views. Even if you are one of Chris's friends or family members and want to defend him.
[quote][p][bold]P Williamson[/bold] wrote: What a load of a rubbish. Cllr Girling why on gods earth are you picking on a 18 year old kid. Shame on you . I am concerned that there are many young Candidates in this election who don't have life experience . Who are selection them? I won't be voting for either now.[/p][/quote]Actually if you read all the Twitter feeds at the time Cllr Girling got involved because the young lad was ranting incorrectly on Twitter about all LRA Councillors, which would have included Cllr Girling. When I read the Tweets it seems that Cllr Girling was actually correcting a lot of Chris's incorrect slurs on the existing LRA Cllrs, particularly Lance Leanord. He even at one point (I think) invited the young lad to meet with him to discuss his concerns. I would hope that Chris took Cllr Girling up on the offer as it seemed Chris had many issues to discuss on Twitter at the time, let's hope so. As a resident in Alderton Ward (Deepdene) I know how much Lance has done for our area and admire Cllr Girling for standing up for what was simply Conservative election tactics and yes I know every party does it. It doesn't matter how young a candidate is, if they are attempting to represent myself, my family and our area as our Cllr they shouldn't be blaming the LRA for things that are solely the responsibility of the Conservative controlled District & County Councils to rectify. Chris was simply ranting on Twiiter to stir things up and get more votes. Be careful judging Cllrs who have a reputation for doing a lot in their wards like Cllr Girling. I also hear from Cllr Stephen Murrey that Cllr Girling is a breath of fresh air at the Town and District Councils. I would suggest that you do not judge a Cllrs character simply because they pull someone less experienced up on their incorrect views. Even if you are one of Chris's friends or family members and want to defend him. JohnHobbs1973
  • Score: 0

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