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  • Labour retain control of Waltham Forest council, with Liberal Democrat leader Bob Sullivan losing the Leyton seat he has held for 32 years.
  • Lib Dems lose all six elected councillors
  • The Conservatives lose seats in Valley and Hale End and Highams Park to Labour
  • Ukip make inroads in Chingford.

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10:15am Fri 23 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?
UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants? Villagecranberry
  • Score: 7

10:40am Fri 23 May 14

Alan_1976 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?
UKIP has explained their own poor performance in London

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-blames-lo
ndon-election-perfor
mance-on-difficulty-
appealing-to-the-edu
cated-and-cultured-9
423200.html

Too many "educated" and "cultured" individuals.

So I guess that means the 1000 voters for UKIP can be considered uneducated or uncultured.

At least that's the verdict of UKIP...
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?[/p][/quote]UKIP has explained their own poor performance in London http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-blames-lo ndon-election-perfor mance-on-difficulty- appealing-to-the-edu cated-and-cultured-9 423200.html Too many "educated" and "cultured" individuals. So I guess that means the 1000 voters for UKIP can be considered uneducated or uncultured. At least that's the verdict of UKIP... Alan_1976
  • Score: 16

11:52am Fri 23 May 14

red37red says...

labour gets hold of chingford it wlll end up like walthamstow and big hole..
and they will build flats on every inch of chingford
labour gets hold of chingford it wlll end up like walthamstow and big hole.. and they will build flats on every inch of chingford red37red
  • Score: 17

12:05pm Fri 23 May 14

garym says...

People of all persuasions vote ukip but usually there is a racist reason behind it. for example I hear eastern Europeans and people from EU countries banging on about people from abroad but they adopt the same last in first out that everyone else does. If any EU citizen who voted ukip would leave if they got into power and got us out of EU then maybe they will see what fools they are!
People of all persuasions vote ukip but usually there is a racist reason behind it. for example I hear eastern Europeans and people from EU countries banging on about people from abroad but they adopt the same last in first out that everyone else does. If any EU citizen who voted ukip would leave if they got into power and got us out of EU then maybe they will see what fools they are! garym
  • Score: -6

1:46pm Fri 23 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?
UKIP has explained their own poor performance in London

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol

itics/ukip-blames-lo

ndon-election-perfor

mance-on-difficulty-

appealing-to-the-edu

cated-and-cultured-9

423200.html

Too many "educated" and "cultured" individuals.

So I guess that means the 1000 voters for UKIP can be considered uneducated or uncultured.

At least that's the verdict of UKIP...
That is of course your deranged interpretation of what they have reasoned.

You can continue in your denial of the importance of debate on immigration but tens of thousands across the UK will disagree.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?[/p][/quote]UKIP has explained their own poor performance in London http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-blames-lo ndon-election-perfor mance-on-difficulty- appealing-to-the-edu cated-and-cultured-9 423200.html Too many "educated" and "cultured" individuals. So I guess that means the 1000 voters for UKIP can be considered uneducated or uncultured. At least that's the verdict of UKIP...[/p][/quote]That is of course your deranged interpretation of what they have reasoned. You can continue in your denial of the importance of debate on immigration but tens of thousands across the UK will disagree. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -13

2:26pm Fri 23 May 14

GarethCheeseman says...

Taxi for the Lib Dems!
Taxi for the Lib Dems! GarethCheeseman
  • Score: 12

2:59pm Fri 23 May 14

Karlee says...

Taxi to Rotherham, one-way please, for UKIP's pitiful "support"- I'll pay the fare.
Taxi to Rotherham, one-way please, for UKIP's pitiful "support"- I'll pay the fare. Karlee
  • Score: 13

4:56pm Fri 23 May 14

Techno3 says...

GarethCheeseman wrote:
Taxi for the Lib Dems!
There will be LibDems who will comfort themselves with the idea that they lost because the party was unpopular due to a) Nick Clegg's renaging on his tuition fees pledge, b) his poor performance in debates with Nigel Farage and c) being in the coalition government .

There will be some truth to that but the reasons for their defeat are more compicated than that alone. In part their woes in Waltham Forest date from the nonsense which went on at the 2010 election when entryists destroyed the party's prospects from within and deselected a number of their better councillors and activists. They have also failed to provide effective opposition against a wasteful, authoritarian and doctrinaire Labour authority. If people can't see any difference between a Lib Dem councillor and the Labour one, what is their purpose?
[quote][p][bold]GarethCheeseman[/bold] wrote: Taxi for the Lib Dems![/p][/quote]There will be LibDems who will comfort themselves with the idea that they lost because the party was unpopular due to a) Nick Clegg's renaging on his tuition fees pledge, b) his poor performance in debates with Nigel Farage and c) being in the coalition government . There will be some truth to that but the reasons for their defeat are more compicated than that alone. In part their woes in Waltham Forest date from the nonsense which went on at the 2010 election when entryists destroyed the party's prospects from within and deselected a number of their better councillors and activists. They have also failed to provide effective opposition against a wasteful, authoritarian and doctrinaire Labour authority. If people can't see any difference between a Lib Dem councillor and the Labour one, what is their purpose? Techno3
  • Score: 9

5:18pm Fri 23 May 14

Davego says...

GarethCheeseman wrote:
Taxi for the Lib Dems!
They can't afford one.
[quote][p][bold]GarethCheeseman[/bold] wrote: Taxi for the Lib Dems![/p][/quote]They can't afford one. Davego
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Fri 23 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

Karlee wrote:
Taxi to Rotherham, one-way please, for UKIP's pitiful "support"- I'll pay the fare.
You mean Wembley? Leyton Orient are playing Rotherham at Wemberleeee.
[quote][p][bold]Karlee[/bold] wrote: Taxi to Rotherham, one-way please, for UKIP's pitiful "support"- I'll pay the fare.[/p][/quote]You mean Wembley? Leyton Orient are playing Rotherham at Wemberleeee. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -17

5:41pm Fri 23 May 14

Robert19 says...

red37red wrote:
labour gets hold of chingford it wlll end up like walthamstow and big hole..
and they will build flats on every inch of chingford
Chingford isn't a separate state red37red. Labour already 'controlled' Chingford before this election as part of Waltham Forest and could build flats on every inch if they had the money.
[quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: labour gets hold of chingford it wlll end up like walthamstow and big hole.. and they will build flats on every inch of chingford[/p][/quote]Chingford isn't a separate state red37red. Labour already 'controlled' Chingford before this election as part of Waltham Forest and could build flats on every inch if they had the money. Robert19
  • Score: 8

6:09pm Fri 23 May 14

karenogil76 says...

Very disappointed again stuck with a corrupt and incompeted labour council with no imagination. Come on Walthamstow residents are you really voting people in who abuse their position and waste and at worse steal your taxes.
Very disappointed again stuck with a corrupt and incompeted labour council with no imagination. Come on Walthamstow residents are you really voting people in who abuse their position and waste and at worse steal your taxes. karenogil76
  • Score: 14

6:19pm Fri 23 May 14

Ferdy54 says...

So that's nice. Seems we've got a Labour council again for the next 4 years! Well, Walthamstow, Leyton and Leytonstone have. Chingford don't seem to exist in the borough!!!

What else can they find to sell off and close down that the residents don't want them to?
I suppose we ought to be pleased with all the hard work they put in to making the infamous Chingford Mount Pavement white elephant!!

What else? Oh yes. Demolishing the public toilets to make this pavement and closing the Hall Lane Library and leaving it to some volunteers to open a new one in an old shop!!!

I hope everyone will be satisfied now for the next 4 dreadful years?
So that's nice. Seems we've got a Labour council again for the next 4 years! Well, Walthamstow, Leyton and Leytonstone have. Chingford don't seem to exist in the borough!!! What else can they find to sell off and close down that the residents don't want them to? I suppose we ought to be pleased with all the hard work they put in to making the infamous Chingford Mount Pavement white elephant!! What else? Oh yes. Demolishing the public toilets to make this pavement and closing the Hall Lane Library and leaving it to some volunteers to open a new one in an old shop!!! I hope everyone will be satisfied now for the next 4 dreadful years? Ferdy54
  • Score: 15

8:30pm Fri 23 May 14

Alan_1976 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?
UKIP has explained their own poor performance in London

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol


itics/ukip-blames-lo


ndon-election-perfor


mance-on-difficulty-


appealing-to-the-edu


cated-and-cultured-9


423200.html

Too many "educated" and "cultured" individuals.

So I guess that means the 1000 voters for UKIP can be considered uneducated or uncultured.

At least that's the verdict of UKIP...
That is of course your deranged interpretation of what they have reasoned.

You can continue in your denial of the importance of debate on immigration but tens of thousands across the UK will disagree.
No interpretation you buffoon. Their own words.

Where do I deny a debate on integration? Do you need a lie down?
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: UKIP get 1000 votes. Do their critics maintain that these voters are all racists and bigots or could it be merely concerned natives of this land who are seriously concerned about our loss of sovereignty and negativity about a mass influx into their neighbourhood of Europeans who do not want to integrate, often commit crime, impinge on schools and other public services to the detriment of long standing inhabitants?[/p][/quote]UKIP has explained their own poor performance in London http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-blames-lo ndon-election-perfor mance-on-difficulty- appealing-to-the-edu cated-and-cultured-9 423200.html Too many "educated" and "cultured" individuals. So I guess that means the 1000 voters for UKIP can be considered uneducated or uncultured. At least that's the verdict of UKIP...[/p][/quote]That is of course your deranged interpretation of what they have reasoned. You can continue in your denial of the importance of debate on immigration but tens of thousands across the UK will disagree.[/p][/quote]No interpretation you buffoon. Their own words. Where do I deny a debate on integration? Do you need a lie down? Alan_1976
  • Score: 21

8:54pm Fri 23 May 14

cynicalsue says...

Oh well. more big payrises all round for the Labour luvvies. And no opposition. I dispair.
Oh well. more big payrises all round for the Labour luvvies. And no opposition. I dispair. cynicalsue
  • Score: 6

10:01pm Fri 23 May 14

stickmanny says...

The electorate chose the best of a bad lot. Well done us.

UKIPs and Tories can leave, none of us will stand in your way.

Bye bye.
The electorate chose the best of a bad lot. Well done us. UKIPs and Tories can leave, none of us will stand in your way. Bye bye. stickmanny
  • Score: -10

10:38pm Fri 23 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
The electorate chose the best of a bad lot. Well done us.

UKIPs and Tories can leave, none of us will stand in your way.

Bye bye.
Speak to you tomorrow. Unlike Helen, you could never stay away, you said so yourself.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: The electorate chose the best of a bad lot. Well done us. UKIPs and Tories can leave, none of us will stand in your way. Bye bye.[/p][/quote]Speak to you tomorrow. Unlike Helen, you could never stay away, you said so yourself. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 0

12:42am Sat 24 May 14

HottRedMan says...

People wonder why places like Walthamstow, Leyton etc is a poo hole, but it is because of reasons like this, they vote labour, time after time and no change of leadership and it is a seriously bad thing. Really annoys me of these one tracked minded people, they vote for these parties as though it is a football team.
With all the controversial crap that has gone on in Waltham Forest, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and then these clowns still put the same labour people back in. Many of them deserve what is coming to them. I really hope these councils bring these idiots down to their knees this time.
People wonder why places like Walthamstow, Leyton etc is a poo hole, but it is because of reasons like this, they vote labour, time after time and no change of leadership and it is a seriously bad thing. Really annoys me of these one tracked minded people, they vote for these parties as though it is a football team. With all the controversial crap that has gone on in Waltham Forest, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and then these clowns still put the same labour people back in. Many of them deserve what is coming to them. I really hope these councils bring these idiots down to their knees this time. HottRedMan
  • Score: 10

6:41am Sat 24 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

HottRedMan wrote:
People wonder why places like Walthamstow, Leyton etc is a poo hole, but it is because of reasons like this, they vote labour, time after time and no change of leadership and it is a seriously bad thing. Really annoys me of these one tracked minded people, they vote for these parties as though it is a football team.
With all the controversial crap that has gone on in Waltham Forest, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and then these clowns still put the same labour people back in. Many of them deserve what is coming to them. I really hope these councils bring these idiots down to their knees this time.
It is Labours game plan, do you not get it? They dish out bebefits like confetti to keep them all dependent on the do,e for life, never discourage producing as many children, as it fuels the future Labour voters. Labour get away with maladministration, burning documents, destruction of local treasures, anything it wants as they get voted back in time and time again as you say.
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: People wonder why places like Walthamstow, Leyton etc is a poo hole, but it is because of reasons like this, they vote labour, time after time and no change of leadership and it is a seriously bad thing. Really annoys me of these one tracked minded people, they vote for these parties as though it is a football team. With all the controversial crap that has gone on in Waltham Forest, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and then these clowns still put the same labour people back in. Many of them deserve what is coming to them. I really hope these councils bring these idiots down to their knees this time.[/p][/quote]It is Labours game plan, do you not get it? They dish out bebefits like confetti to keep them all dependent on the do,e for life, never discourage producing as many children, as it fuels the future Labour voters. Labour get away with maladministration, burning documents, destruction of local treasures, anything it wants as they get voted back in time and time again as you say. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 10

7:18am Sat 24 May 14

stickmanny says...

sour grapes. It hurts to lose I guess
sour grapes. It hurts to lose I guess stickmanny
  • Score: 1

8:54am Sat 24 May 14

stickmanny says...

HottRedMan wrote:
People wonder why places like Walthamstow, Leyton etc is a poo hole, but it is because of reasons like this, they vote labour, time after time and no change of leadership and it is a seriously bad thing. Really annoys me of these one tracked minded people, they vote for these parties as though it is a football team.
With all the controversial crap that has gone on in Waltham Forest, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and then these clowns still put the same labour people back in. Many of them deserve what is coming to them. I really hope these councils bring these idiots down to their knees this time.
Do you live in Waltham Forest? If so I'm wondering why. if not, shut up about it.
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: People wonder why places like Walthamstow, Leyton etc is a poo hole, but it is because of reasons like this, they vote labour, time after time and no change of leadership and it is a seriously bad thing. Really annoys me of these one tracked minded people, they vote for these parties as though it is a football team. With all the controversial crap that has gone on in Waltham Forest, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and then these clowns still put the same labour people back in. Many of them deserve what is coming to them. I really hope these councils bring these idiots down to their knees this time.[/p][/quote]Do you live in Waltham Forest? If so I'm wondering why. if not, shut up about it. stickmanny
  • Score: -3

10:26am Sat 24 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
sour grapes. It hurts to lose I guess
No it hurts to see public funds squandered.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: sour grapes. It hurts to lose I guess[/p][/quote]No it hurts to see public funds squandered. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 7

10:34am Sat 24 May 14

myopinioncounts says...

How many postal votes were there? Wasn't there a scandal over the misuse of absentee voting?
How many postal votes were there? Wasn't there a scandal over the misuse of absentee voting? myopinioncounts
  • Score: 4

11:42am Sat 24 May 14

stickmanny says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
stickmanny wrote:
sour grapes. It hurts to lose I guess
No it hurts to see public funds squandered.
It hurts more to see it fall into the laps of the privileged
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: sour grapes. It hurts to lose I guess[/p][/quote]No it hurts to see public funds squandered.[/p][/quote]It hurts more to see it fall into the laps of the privileged stickmanny
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Sun 25 May 14

tillytrotter says...

OMFG stuck with LABOUR again corrupt councillors that are living off Rent paid by LBWF on the DSS basis so money going into the pocket of the ALI HERDCART !!! so disappointed that they are back. I as a resident for years have been called whilst working to be questioned why I hadn't paid for my uncles home care who is 85 and suffering from Alzheimer's in fact I HAD PAID £309 pounds a month for 30 minutes morning and evening which they do not do and if I complain then I am only paying minimum for his care WHAT ABOUT MY CARE. I only wish that the RENEW WALTHAM FOREST had got more votes they would have renewed it my god it needs renewing and reviewing. Another 4 years of complaining and and asking why bins are not emptied on time and another 4 years of asking why the market is not being improved and another 4 years of asking why trees are not being cut when they should be and another 4 years of asking for pot holes to be fixed without involving local MPS and another 4 years of trying to get a decent CCTV cameras put in place and another 4 years for asking please do something about the tree roots that are raising pavements in case a resident breaks their limbs and another 4 years of reporting fly tipping that waits at least a week before cleared and another 4 years of ringing up to be told OUR OFFICES ARE NOW CLOSED AT 18:00 when some people that work don't get home till 18:30 or 19:00.
COUNCIL TAX WILL GO UP AND WHAT THE HELL FOR ???????????
OMFG stuck with LABOUR again corrupt councillors that are living off Rent paid by LBWF on the DSS basis so money going into the pocket of the ALI HERDCART !!! so disappointed that they are back. I as a resident for years have been called whilst working to be questioned why I hadn't paid for my uncles home care who is 85 and suffering from Alzheimer's in fact I HAD PAID £309 pounds a month for 30 minutes morning and evening which they do not do and if I complain then I am only paying minimum for his care WHAT ABOUT MY CARE. I only wish that the RENEW WALTHAM FOREST had got more votes they would have renewed it my god it needs renewing and reviewing. Another 4 years of complaining and and asking why bins are not emptied on time and another 4 years of asking why the market is not being improved and another 4 years of asking why trees are not being cut when they should be and another 4 years of asking for pot holes to be fixed without involving local MPS and another 4 years of trying to get a decent CCTV cameras put in place and another 4 years for asking please do something about the tree roots that are raising pavements in case a resident breaks their limbs and another 4 years of reporting fly tipping that waits at least a week before cleared and another 4 years of ringing up to be told OUR OFFICES ARE NOW CLOSED AT 18:00 when some people that work don't get home till 18:30 or 19:00. COUNCIL TAX WILL GO UP AND WHAT THE HELL FOR ??????????? tillytrotter
  • Score: 6

6:40am Mon 26 May 14

stickmanny says...

. Council tax hasn't gone up for years, indeed the Coalition imposed a cap of sorts. Don't forget we are still paying for our friends in the City who gambled the countries' money away, and will be for 20-30yrs. Look there for the failures.
. Council tax hasn't gone up for years, indeed the Coalition imposed a cap of sorts. Don't forget we are still paying for our friends in the City who gambled the countries' money away, and will be for 20-30yrs. Look there for the failures. stickmanny
  • Score: -1

9:33am Mon 26 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
. Council tax hasn't gone up for years, indeed the Coalition imposed a cap of sorts. Don't forget we are still paying for our friends in the City who gambled the countries' money away, and will be for 20-30yrs. Look there for the failures.
Are the 'years' you are talking about under the leadership of Blair and Brown? Brown sold all our gold reserves and bankrupted the country having given the banks a free reign. It is denial attitudes like yours that will not give 'bacon sandwich' Millibrand a cats chance of getting in power, with a slight chance that his brother will once Bacon Boy is booted out by his party.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: . Council tax hasn't gone up for years, indeed the Coalition imposed a cap of sorts. Don't forget we are still paying for our friends in the City who gambled the countries' money away, and will be for 20-30yrs. Look there for the failures.[/p][/quote]Are the 'years' you are talking about under the leadership of Blair and Brown? Brown sold all our gold reserves and bankrupted the country having given the banks a free reign. It is denial attitudes like yours that will not give 'bacon sandwich' Millibrand a cats chance of getting in power, with a slight chance that his brother will once Bacon Boy is booted out by his party. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Mon 26 May 14

tillytrotter says...

ok lets look at how much money the last government borrowed to put this country in debt after debt that now somehow has to be paid back by this government. We the tax payer has to pay this back one way or another as well as paying for other benefits. This government has got us out of the dung if you read facts and figures so the last government were as bad as the bankers for borrowing
ok lets look at how much money the last government borrowed to put this country in debt after debt that now somehow has to be paid back by this government. We the tax payer has to pay this back one way or another as well as paying for other benefits. This government has got us out of the dung if you read facts and figures so the last government were as bad as the bankers for borrowing tillytrotter
  • Score: 3

1:02pm Mon 26 May 14

tillytrotter says...

Also we are talking LOCAL COUNCIL not Westminster politics banking industry
Also we are talking LOCAL COUNCIL not Westminster politics banking industry tillytrotter
  • Score: 1

3:27pm Mon 26 May 14

Techno3 says...

Some interesting voting figures in Waltham Forest for the European elections, which people may like to mull over. Although there were no UKIP candidates in most wards which people could vote for in the local elections, UKIP polled 10,677 votes in the European elections, beating the Conservative party into second place. This is interesting given that the Tories had stood right across the borough. yet in the European elections they polled only 9,442 votes. The Greens polled 7,078 votes, and the LibDems only 4,416 votes, to come fifth. Labour attracted 28,205 votes across the whole borough.
Some interesting voting figures in Waltham Forest for the European elections, which people may like to mull over. Although there were no UKIP candidates in most wards which people could vote for in the local elections, UKIP polled 10,677 votes in the European elections, beating the Conservative party into second place. This is interesting given that the Tories had stood right across the borough. yet in the European elections they polled only 9,442 votes. The Greens polled 7,078 votes, and the LibDems only 4,416 votes, to come fifth. Labour attracted 28,205 votes across the whole borough. Techno3
  • Score: 4

9:03pm Mon 26 May 14

stickmanny says...

tillytrotter wrote:
ok lets look at how much money the last government borrowed to put this country in debt after debt that now somehow has to be paid back by this government. We the tax payer has to pay this back one way or another as well as paying for other benefits. This government has got us out of the dung if you read facts and figures so the last government were as bad as the bankers for borrowing
ok lets look at it. Where are your figures?

The cost to the taxpayer of the banking crisis at March 2013 was £141bn

The crisis broke when Labour were in power. The Tories wanted bank regulation eased, so if it had happened under their watch it may have been worse. Bottom line is we were stuffed no matter who was in power. There is no party political point to make.
[quote][p][bold]tillytrotter[/bold] wrote: ok lets look at how much money the last government borrowed to put this country in debt after debt that now somehow has to be paid back by this government. We the tax payer has to pay this back one way or another as well as paying for other benefits. This government has got us out of the dung if you read facts and figures so the last government were as bad as the bankers for borrowing[/p][/quote]ok lets look at it. Where are your figures? The cost to the taxpayer of the banking crisis at March 2013 was £141bn The crisis broke when Labour were in power. The Tories wanted bank regulation eased, so if it had happened under their watch it may have been worse. Bottom line is we were stuffed no matter who was in power. There is no party political point to make. stickmanny
  • Score: -2

9:04pm Mon 26 May 14

stickmanny says...

source for the £141bn figure: National Audit Office.
source for the £141bn figure: National Audit Office. stickmanny
  • Score: 0

12:39am Tue 27 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
tillytrotter wrote:
ok lets look at how much money the last government borrowed to put this country in debt after debt that now somehow has to be paid back by this government. We the tax payer has to pay this back one way or another as well as paying for other benefits. This government has got us out of the dung if you read facts and figures so the last government were as bad as the bankers for borrowing
ok lets look at it. Where are your figures?

The cost to the taxpayer of the banking crisis at March 2013 was £141bn

The crisis broke when Labour were in power. The Tories wanted bank regulation eased, so if it had happened under their watch it may have been worse. Bottom line is we were stuffed no matter who was in power. There is no party political point to make.
No, Labour eased the banking regs and gave the banks authority to set the interest base rate,.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tillytrotter[/bold] wrote: ok lets look at how much money the last government borrowed to put this country in debt after debt that now somehow has to be paid back by this government. We the tax payer has to pay this back one way or another as well as paying for other benefits. This government has got us out of the dung if you read facts and figures so the last government were as bad as the bankers for borrowing[/p][/quote]ok lets look at it. Where are your figures? The cost to the taxpayer of the banking crisis at March 2013 was £141bn The crisis broke when Labour were in power. The Tories wanted bank regulation eased, so if it had happened under their watch it may have been worse. Bottom line is we were stuffed no matter who was in power. There is no party political point to make.[/p][/quote]No, Labour eased the banking regs and gave the banks authority to set the interest base rate,. Villagecranberry
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12:44am Tue 27 May 14

Ferdy54 says...

Are residents really stupid in this borough? Why on earth (polite phrase) do they want this lot in again? Maybe its people in Walthamstow, Leyton, Leytonstone that dont understand what youre supposed to do in an election?

Have they still got stuff to sell off or close down that they didnt last time?

Maybe they might remember that Chingford is STILL part of the borough and maybe spend some money on it this time!!! Although I must say well done to them for the magnificent pavement and benches they done at Chingford Mount for £700k Nobody really wanted the public toilets there anyway that you kindly demolished to make this white elephant!!!! Idiots!!!

I'm glad my ward is still Conservative. At least we've got a bit of sense left.
Are residents really stupid in this borough? Why on earth (polite phrase) do they want this lot in again? Maybe its people in Walthamstow, Leyton, Leytonstone that dont understand what youre supposed to do in an election? Have they still got stuff to sell off or close down that they didnt last time? Maybe they might remember that Chingford is STILL part of the borough and maybe spend some money on it this time!!! Although I must say well done to them for the magnificent pavement and benches they done at Chingford Mount for £700k Nobody really wanted the public toilets there anyway that you kindly demolished to make this white elephant!!!! Idiots!!! I'm glad my ward is still Conservative. At least we've got a bit of sense left. Ferdy54
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7:56am Tue 27 May 14

stickmanny says...

Another try.

Form the Conservative 2007 report ‘Freeing Britain to Compete‘:

"A Conservative government should relax banking regulation....We see no need to continue to regulate the provision of mortgage finance...The regulatory burden should be measured and reduced year on year"

So, we may have been in a worse financial mess had these policies, endorsed by Cameron and Osborne, been implemented.

This is not party political. This is about making sure whoever governs is doing so for the electorate of this country. Since the 80's they have been increasingly governing on behalf of wealth, power and vested interests.
Another try. Form the Conservative 2007 report ‘Freeing Britain to Compete‘: "A Conservative government should relax banking regulation....We see no need to continue to regulate the provision of mortgage finance...The regulatory burden should be measured and reduced year on year" So, we may have been in a worse financial mess had these policies, endorsed by Cameron and Osborne, been implemented. This is not party political. This is about making sure whoever governs is doing so for the electorate of this country. Since the 80's they have been increasingly governing on behalf of wealth, power and vested interests. stickmanny
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11:52am Tue 27 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
Another try.

Form the Conservative 2007 report ‘Freeing Britain to Compete‘:

"A Conservative government should relax banking regulation....We see no need to continue to regulate the provision of mortgage finance...The regulatory burden should be measured and reduced year on year"

So, we may have been in a worse financial mess had these policies, endorsed by Cameron and Osborne, been implemented.

This is not party political. This is about making sure whoever governs is doing so for the electorate of this country. Since the 80's they have been increasingly governing on behalf of wealth, power and vested interests.
What did labour do during their 13 years except take us to far away wars?
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Another try. Form the Conservative 2007 report ‘Freeing Britain to Compete‘: "A Conservative government should relax banking regulation....We see no need to continue to regulate the provision of mortgage finance...The regulatory burden should be measured and reduced year on year" So, we may have been in a worse financial mess had these policies, endorsed by Cameron and Osborne, been implemented. This is not party political. This is about making sure whoever governs is doing so for the electorate of this country. Since the 80's they have been increasingly governing on behalf of wealth, power and vested interests.[/p][/quote]What did labour do during their 13 years except take us to far away wars? Villagecranberry
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1:37pm Tue 27 May 14

mdj says...

'Council tax hasn't gone up for years, indeed the Coalition imposed a cap of sorts'

That's odd: the Labour Party leaflets through my door were claiming the credit for this. Could they possibly have been lying?

Sadly, I agree with you completely that no party can claim any exemption from blame for their actions before, during or after the Crash.
The mystery is why everyone saw it coming except the experts.
'Council tax hasn't gone up for years, indeed the Coalition imposed a cap of sorts' That's odd: the Labour Party leaflets through my door were claiming the credit for this. Could they possibly have been lying? Sadly, I agree with you completely that no party can claim any exemption from blame for their actions before, during or after the Crash. The mystery is why everyone saw it coming except the experts. mdj
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6:31pm Tue 27 May 14

stickmanny says...

It's no mystery. The Western World is hooked on an incorrect economic theory full of unrealistic models and concepts (equilibrium, rationality) that have no basis in reality, and so could not predict the crash.

This stuff has been taught as mainstream theory for 40 years so anyone who disagrees with it is seen as a nutter. Strange, since it was only the nutters that saw it all coming.
It's no mystery. The Western World is hooked on an incorrect economic theory full of unrealistic models and concepts (equilibrium, rationality) that have no basis in reality, and so could not predict the crash. This stuff has been taught as mainstream theory for 40 years so anyone who disagrees with it is seen as a nutter. Strange, since it was only the nutters that saw it all coming. stickmanny
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9:40pm Tue 27 May 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
It's no mystery. The Western World is hooked on an incorrect economic theory full of unrealistic models and concepts (equilibrium, rationality) that have no basis in reality, and so could not predict the crash.

This stuff has been taught as mainstream theory for 40 years so anyone who disagrees with it is seen as a nutter. Strange, since it was only the nutters that saw it all coming.
You are spot on about the nutter bit. I agree, you are so.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: It's no mystery. The Western World is hooked on an incorrect economic theory full of unrealistic models and concepts (equilibrium, rationality) that have no basis in reality, and so could not predict the crash. This stuff has been taught as mainstream theory for 40 years so anyone who disagrees with it is seen as a nutter. Strange, since it was only the nutters that saw it all coming.[/p][/quote]You are spot on about the nutter bit. I agree, you are so. Villagecranberry
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9:53pm Tue 27 May 14

stickmanny says...

You made a similar lame comment last time this topic was aired.

It's what you do when you don't understand what you just read.
You made a similar lame comment last time this topic was aired. It's what you do when you don't understand what you just read. stickmanny
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