Decision not to replace 'disgusting' trains running through Waltham Forest criticised

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Trains will not be replaced by TfL until summer 2018 Trains will not be replaced by TfL until summer 2018

Commuters have criticised a decision not to replace “disgusting” trains for three years on a major line through Waltham Forest.

This week Transport for London (TfL) announced there will be a delay in replacing the fleet on the line between Chingford and Liverpool Street when it becomes part of the Overground network in May next year.

TfL has said all trains will be cleaned but passengers claim that this is not enough.

Amy Pearce, 20, of Scholars Road, Chingford, said: “The trains are disgusting.

“When you think of TfL, you think nice, clean, new, so it’s disappointing that they won’t provide even a handful of new trains.

Tony Breshi, who has run New Express in the station with his wife for seven years, said that customers regularly complain about the trains.

“They are pretty rubbish,” he said.

“Especially in the winter there are problems with the doors, they won’t shut or they get stuck.

“To be honest the trains have been more reliable since Abellio took over. They are very old trains, they look dirty inside.”

Sean McGinty, 75, agreed some of the trains were in a poor condition, but said passengers should travel more responsibly.

He said: “Some are good, some are bad. There are some that are very, very bad.

“They should be replaced but it is people that are the problem. Even if they replace them the passengers will fill them with rubbish.”

Staff at the station expressed surprise that new trains were not planned for three years.
They told The Guardian they had heard TfL introduce around 30 new trains.

Statistics on the platform tell customers that the trains are performing well, despite their age.
A billboard shows 92.89 percent of all trains run by Abellio are on time and only 1.28 per cent of trains are significantly late or cancelled.

The contract to run the Overground network is due to be put out to tender in November 2016.

Fares on the Chingford to Liverpool Street line, which includes stations in Highams Park and Walthamstow, will not increase immediately following the takeover, but could rise following a planned review a few months later.

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2:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

myopinioncounts says...

My son works on the railway and when passengers complain about the presence of food/drink containers and dirty seats he tells them that the train was clean when it left the depot and it is the passengers themselves who leave it in a mess!
My son works on the railway and when passengers complain about the presence of food/drink containers and dirty seats he tells them that the train was clean when it left the depot and it is the passengers themselves who leave it in a mess! myopinioncounts
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2:32pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Sam Hain says...

Interesting that both Overground lines passing through Waltham Forest will be inadequate for some time to come. The Barking-Gospel Oak line is due for electrication and train/platform lengthening but when will this start and how long it will take is another matter. As far as the Liverpool Street-Chingford line is concerned, if Boris wants to help his Tory chum IDS get re-elected in his Chingford constituency he really needs to pull his finger out as I imagine this issue has greater potential to alienate Chingfordian commuters that almost any other.
Interesting that both Overground lines passing through Waltham Forest will be inadequate for some time to come. The Barking-Gospel Oak line is due for electrication and train/platform lengthening but when will this start and how long it will take is another matter. As far as the Liverpool Street-Chingford line is concerned, if Boris wants to help his Tory chum IDS get re-elected in his Chingford constituency he really needs to pull his finger out as I imagine this issue has greater potential to alienate Chingfordian commuters that almost any other. Sam Hain
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3:40pm Wed 4 Jun 14

driftingcowboy says...

Come on TfL - that's not good enough. Passengers deserve better. Come on, you're spending Billions on other projects and doing much great and badly needed regeneration work around London, but these trains need replacing immediately - they're in disgraceful condition!
Come on TfL - that's not good enough. Passengers deserve better. Come on, you're spending Billions on other projects and doing much great and badly needed regeneration work around London, but these trains need replacing immediately - they're in disgraceful condition! driftingcowboy
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5:08pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Robert19 says...

I'm not sure you are all living in the real world. Where do these brand new trains come from? Hornby? It takes a couple of years from concept to delivery and costs millions of pounds. There is a shortage of rolling stock across the country so any 'new' stock is likely to be decanted older stock from other lines only now receiving newly built trains from decisions made years ago. I have seen much worse stock elsewhere in Europe. So I would not use the words'disgusting'. or disgraceful. Well built electric units like these can last up to 40 years. They simply need a refurbishment for the next few years while the order is put in. It is totally unrealistic to think trains can be built in a matter of months.
I'm not sure you are all living in the real world. Where do these brand new trains come from? Hornby? It takes a couple of years from concept to delivery and costs millions of pounds. There is a shortage of rolling stock across the country so any 'new' stock is likely to be decanted older stock from other lines only now receiving newly built trains from decisions made years ago. I have seen much worse stock elsewhere in Europe. So I would not use the words'disgusting'. or disgraceful. Well built electric units like these can last up to 40 years. They simply need a refurbishment for the next few years while the order is put in. It is totally unrealistic to think trains can be built in a matter of months. Robert19
  • Score: 9

5:58pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Brisbane says...

Can anyone explain what the supposed benefit of TfL taking over the service is? Anyone from TfL care to comment?
Can anyone explain what the supposed benefit of TfL taking over the service is? Anyone from TfL care to comment? Brisbane
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