Shop takes on Waltham Forest council over school uniform change

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Victoria 2 Schoolwear owner Janet Cohen and her mother Victoria Samuel Victoria 2 Schoolwear owner Janet Cohen and her mother Victoria Samuel

A schoolwear supplier is taking the council to court claiming she is facing financial ruin because a school changed its uniform without warning.

Victoria 2 Schoolwear in Hoe Street, Walthamstow, has been stocking school uniforms in the borough since 1967.

In November 2012, owner Janet Cohen spent £24,000 on branded jumpers and polo shirts for pupils at Lammas School and Sports College.

She claims she sought assurances from the school beforehand and was told there were no plans to change the uniform.

But six months later, the school introduced a change the uniform and started to use a stockist in Newham.

Mrs Cohen said she has been left ‘heartbroken’.

She said: “I am just devastated; my whole year has been ruined.

“We used to do bits and pieces for Lammas College but we didn’t have a contract.

“In 2010 when their sole supplier shut down they called me and asked me to take it on.

“I took all of the precautions that I could to protect myself, I emailed them and asked them before I placed the order.”

Mrs Cohen found out about the change from her customers.

“They didn’t even tell me that they were changing their uniform, I heard rumours and checked it on the website,” She added.

“They said they were sorry but it was a risk of my business. What sort of school does this?”

“We have had parents giving us grief because now they have to go outside the area to get uniform. That wasn’t my decision.

“I would have come to a compromise with them over the existing stock had they not treated me so badly. I have been stabbed in the back.”

Victoria 2 Schoolwear will face Waltham Forest Council’s legal team during a civil suit on October 9 at Bow County Court. She is suing for £27k in compensation.

Waltham Forest Council which represents the school has been asked to comment.

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1:30pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Villagecranberry says...

Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.
Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 24

5:11pm Thu 5 Jun 14

mdj says...

LBWF needs to explain what tendering process left this lady high and dry, and went to a supplier inconvenient to parents in this borough. And why only one? There are rules about this sort of thing. Has the borough yet again ignored the law?

The whole process of uniform supply needs scrutiny: one school I know in this borough very sensibly demands generic clothing that can be modified by the addition of a sewn-on badge, while a school in Epping has recently stipulated an entire refit with sewn- in badges on every piece of kit, costing almost £200, which can only be obtained from a single supplier on a distant industrial estate.
The word 'stitch-up' comes to mind, if people will excuse the pun.
LBWF needs to explain what tendering process left this lady high and dry, and went to a supplier inconvenient to parents in this borough. And why only one? There are rules about this sort of thing. Has the borough yet again ignored the law? The whole process of uniform supply needs scrutiny: one school I know in this borough very sensibly demands generic clothing that can be modified by the addition of a sewn-on badge, while a school in Epping has recently stipulated an entire refit with sewn- in badges on every piece of kit, costing almost £200, which can only be obtained from a single supplier on a distant industrial estate. The word 'stitch-up' comes to mind, if people will excuse the pun. mdj
  • Score: 33

11:02am Fri 6 Jun 14

ruby newbie says...

me smells a rat,,,friends or family own the stockist shop in newham
me smells a rat,,,friends or family own the stockist shop in newham ruby newbie
  • Score: 41

1:57pm Fri 6 Jun 14

mdj says...

'me smells a rat..';
There are two possible rats. One you mention, the other being backdoor selection, with schools possibly calculating that Pupils from poor families = Lower exam results, therefore it helps the SATS to become known for unaffordable uniforms, to drive the poor away.
One possibility doesn't exclude the other!

Why boards of governors should let this pass, as happened in Epping, is a mystery. They could get some clues by using Company Director Check, to find out whether any names sound familiar.
Councils have procurement rules that require competitive tendering - but why should there be a monopoly supplier in the first place? White shirts and grey trousers can be bought anywhere, and sew-on badges are cheap - and transferable.

Since there are schools in this borough that have a simple, workaday approach, I guess that the decision arose from inside the school, even if the Council has endorsed it.

But why require any piece of short-lived childrens' kit to need expensive woven-in emblems?
'me smells a rat..'; There are two possible rats. One you mention, the other being backdoor selection, with schools possibly calculating that Pupils from poor families = Lower exam results, therefore it helps the SATS to become known for unaffordable uniforms, to drive the poor away. One possibility doesn't exclude the other! Why boards of governors should let this pass, as happened in Epping, is a mystery. They could get some clues by using Company Director Check, to find out whether any names sound familiar. Councils have procurement rules that require competitive tendering - but why should there be a monopoly supplier in the first place? White shirts and grey trousers can be bought anywhere, and sew-on badges are cheap - and transferable. Since there are schools in this borough that have a simple, workaday approach, I guess that the decision arose from inside the school, even if the Council has endorsed it. But why require any piece of short-lived childrens' kit to need expensive woven-in emblems? mdj
  • Score: 20

6:32pm Fri 6 Jun 14

sappho_ says...

What an appalling way to behave towards this small business. I hope they get every penny back.
What an appalling way to behave towards this small business. I hope they get every penny back. sappho_
  • Score: 44

11:45am Sat 7 Jun 14

Saunders.Barry says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.
I agree. The council and the school clearly do not give a toss about local businesses and the impact on people’s lives and livelihood. I sincerely hope that the poor old lady and her daughter get justice. They deserve all the money and compensation for this really shocking behaviour. Does anyone know the name of the school?
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.[/p][/quote]I agree. The council and the school clearly do not give a toss about local businesses and the impact on people’s lives and livelihood. I sincerely hope that the poor old lady and her daughter get justice. They deserve all the money and compensation for this really shocking behaviour. Does anyone know the name of the school? Saunders.Barry
  • Score: 24

3:08pm Sun 8 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

My name is Janet, and I am the proprietor of the Victoria-2 School Wear shop in Walthamsow E17. To set the record straight I would like to clarify a number of points concerning this article and the Lammas School & Sports College in London E10.

a. I confirm that I have taken litigation proceedings again the Governing Body of the Lammas School & Sports College (Lammas School) and not the Council as printed in this article. This is a PFI, privately funded school.
b. I also confirm that I had a rolling contract (on a sole supplier basis for the school) with a 12-month’s cancellation notice to give me protection and not as stated in the editorial. It was merely the school saying that I did not have a contract, as it was not their intention to enter into any contract.
c. I had never received any apology whatsoever from the school. I was merely told, very ruthlessly, that the school “understands that it is one of the risks in your business”

The following is an extract of the wording, the Lammas school’s business manager Mr Richard Hannaby had written to me:

“you advised that you had already ordered stock on the basis on an e-mail from me in November in which I advised that there appeared to be no change of uniform on the horizon, which was our position at the time. I can now inform you that the school has changed its uniform with effect from September 2013 and we recognise that this will perhaps leave you with surplus sweatshirts and polo shirts. I hope that this has not inconvenienced you too much but understand that it is one of the risks in your business”

Throughout these proceedings the school has acted in a very ruthless, bullish and unethical manner deliberately causing me to suffer severe financial loss and wasting a great deal of time and expense in passing this case from pillar to post, and then ultimately hiding behind a team of very aggressive and ruthless solicitors (Sheila Anand at the LBWF) to try and defend the school’s most appalling, horrendous and disgraceful actions, and to be stitched up by their actions.

When I had initially issued proceedings, I issued these directly upon the Lammas School & Sports College as their team of lawyer’s and case handler Sheila Anand, failed to respond. The council’s lawyers initially said that they had not received my particulars, and later the Lammas school confirmed receiving these. Despite this, I had not received any apology from any of these parties.

Most Disgraceful Defence put by the Lammas School:
1. A contract between the parties never existed
2. They claimed that I had been supplying the parents and carers and any contract is between me and the parents & carers, implying that I should sue the parents and carers instead.
3. They claimed that I cannot enforce a contract, which does not exist, and it was never their intention to enter into a contract.
4. They claimed that I had failed to provide detailed particulars within 14 days, despite the school’s written confirmation to the contrary.
5. They claimed there was no benefit to the school. They claimed it was the parents / carers to decide where to purchase the uniform (even though they were specifically ordered and instructed by the school).
6. They claimed that any contract that may exist does so between the parents/carers and me.
7. They said, if there was a contract then it had expired in May 2012, which is again denied as the school had failed to give the required 12 months termination notice.
8. They said, if it is established that a contract existed then I had failed to mitigate my alleged loss (even though the stock had been embroidered with the Lammas School’s logo and was completely worthless to me)
9. They said that they deny that they are liable for the full retail price of £27,067.59 and the school’s Head teacher Shona Ramsay offered an appalling and disgraceful £2,500 to settle the claim.
10. They also claimed that I had failed to supply substantive evidence to support my claim, despite having answered hundreds of the most appalling questions imaginable which had no bearing whatsoever to the claim.
11. They also had the audacity to say that I had been misconceived and that there was no ground for bringing my claim.

I would like all residents in the London Borough of Waltham Forest to know that these muppets have behaved very badly and have completely ruined my life. Since June 2013, I have been unnecessarily traumatised and have had sleepless nights over this matter. My health has suffered and I have suffered anxiety attacks and depression. I have been emotionally scarred and abused by the Lammas School’s constant lies.

I have had to take medication to calm my nerves and this has put a vast amount of strain to my marriage and family life. There had been nothing compelling in the school’s defence that has any credibility whatsoever, and their defence is fictitious, imaginary and wholly unrealistic.

Despite there being no known previous issues or problems with the school to explain the school’s horrendous actions, the head teacher Shona Ramsay has recently called upon a witness statement from Pam Ereira (funding & Facilities Manager) of the Kelmscott School in Walthamstow E17 to deliberately fabricate and discredit me in order to cast doubts as to my integrity as a worthy and responsible school supplier. I confirm that all the allegations made my Pam Ereira in support of Shona Ramsay's witness statement, are Libellous and deliberate fabricated lies and I have been advised to issue legal proceedings once this case is over.

What is even more unimaginable to believe is that, in Shona Ramsay’s recent witness statement, she tried to defend her most outrageous actions by NOW (very conveniently) claiming that I had been selling “Short Skirts and Tight Trousers” all allegations of which are strongly refuted, all fabricated lies, and which had never been previously been brought to my attention.

If this was not ruthless enough, the Lammas School has also called upon their new supplier Navid Afzal, managing director of Fashion Stop in London E6, to confirm in a written statement that I had ordered excessively. Despite the school’s new stockist being out of stock in some of the most popular sizes for some considerable time, causing the parents unnecessary time in travel and wasted expense, this clearly very inexperienced and very unprofessional school wear stockist is certainly “no expert” in his field and it is my belief that he had been deliberately asked to fabricate a statement to try and ridicule me by trying to "teach your grandmother to suck eggs", so to speak.

I am appealing to all parents / carers, pupils, ex-teachers and ex-pupils from the Lammas school to come forward and confirm the true reason for the change in the Lammas school uniform and when first this had been discussed.

I also want to know whether the parents & carers were happy with the school’s decision to appoint a new uniform supplier outside the school’s catchment area rather than appointing a local supplier. I would also like to know why the school had proceeded with the new uniform change when clearly a number of parents and pupils had disliked and disapproved the new uniform change and when there was clearly an alternative solution by keeping the old uniform, which was the preferred choice.

I would also like to know the true reason for Mr Hannaby’s disappearance and why he had miraculously and very conveniently re-appeared to submit his witness statement.

After my court hearing against the Lammas School & Sports College, I will be calling for the resignation of the Chair of Governors, Ted Cooke, the Head teacher Shona Ramsay, the new business manager Kate Chandran and the legal advisors at the LBWF Sheila Anand for their deplorable and ruthless actions.

Please help me fight these bullies. For the sake of JUSTICE, and the schools deplorable actions, if you have any information whatsoever, please contact me, and please share and use your twitter account to tweet and share this article to all your friends, family and followers. Thanking You. Janet (Victoria-2 School Wear).
My name is Janet, and I am the proprietor of the Victoria-2 School Wear shop in Walthamsow E17. To set the record straight I would like to clarify a number of points concerning this article and the Lammas School & Sports College in London E10. a. I confirm that I have taken litigation proceedings again the Governing Body of the Lammas School & Sports College (Lammas School) and not the Council as printed in this article. This is a PFI, privately funded school. b. I also confirm that I had a rolling contract (on a sole supplier basis for the school) with a 12-month’s cancellation notice to give me protection and not as stated in the editorial. It was merely the school saying that I did not have a contract, as it was not their intention to enter into any contract. c. I had never received any apology whatsoever from the school. I was merely told, very ruthlessly, that the school “understands that it is one of the risks in your business” The following is an extract of the wording, the Lammas school’s business manager Mr Richard Hannaby had written to me: “you advised that you had already ordered stock on the basis on an e-mail from me in November in which I advised that there appeared to be no change of uniform on the horizon, which was our position at the time. I can now inform you that the school has changed its uniform with effect from September 2013 and we recognise that this will perhaps leave you with surplus sweatshirts and polo shirts. I hope that this has not inconvenienced you too much but understand that it is one of the risks in your business” Throughout these proceedings the school has acted in a very ruthless, bullish and unethical manner deliberately causing me to suffer severe financial loss and wasting a great deal of time and expense in passing this case from pillar to post, and then ultimately hiding behind a team of very aggressive and ruthless solicitors (Sheila Anand at the LBWF) to try and defend the school’s most appalling, horrendous and disgraceful actions, and to be stitched up by their actions. When I had initially issued proceedings, I issued these directly upon the Lammas School & Sports College as their team of lawyer’s and case handler Sheila Anand, failed to respond. The council’s lawyers initially said that they had not received my particulars, and later the Lammas school confirmed receiving these. Despite this, I had not received any apology from any of these parties. Most Disgraceful Defence put by the Lammas School: 1. A contract between the parties never existed 2. They claimed that I had been supplying the parents and carers and any contract is between me and the parents & carers, implying that I should sue the parents and carers instead. 3. They claimed that I cannot enforce a contract, which does not exist, and it was never their intention to enter into a contract. 4. They claimed that I had failed to provide detailed particulars within 14 days, despite the school’s written confirmation to the contrary. 5. They claimed there was no benefit to the school. They claimed it was the parents / carers to decide where to purchase the uniform (even though they were specifically ordered and instructed by the school). 6. They claimed that any contract that may exist does so between the parents/carers and me. 7. They said, if there was a contract then it had expired in May 2012, which is again denied as the school had failed to give the required 12 months termination notice. 8. They said, if it is established that a contract existed then I had failed to mitigate my alleged loss (even though the stock had been embroidered with the Lammas School’s logo and was completely worthless to me) 9. They said that they deny that they are liable for the full retail price of £27,067.59 and the school’s Head teacher Shona Ramsay offered an appalling and disgraceful £2,500 to settle the claim. 10. They also claimed that I had failed to supply substantive evidence to support my claim, despite having answered hundreds of the most appalling questions imaginable which had no bearing whatsoever to the claim. 11. They also had the audacity to say that I had been misconceived and that there was no ground for bringing my claim. I would like all residents in the London Borough of Waltham Forest to know that these muppets have behaved very badly and have completely ruined my life. Since June 2013, I have been unnecessarily traumatised and have had sleepless nights over this matter. My health has suffered and I have suffered anxiety attacks and depression. I have been emotionally scarred and abused by the Lammas School’s constant lies. I have had to take medication to calm my nerves and this has put a vast amount of strain to my marriage and family life. There had been nothing compelling in the school’s defence that has any credibility whatsoever, and their defence is fictitious, imaginary and wholly unrealistic. Despite there being no known previous issues or problems with the school to explain the school’s horrendous actions, the head teacher Shona Ramsay has recently called upon a witness statement from Pam Ereira (funding & Facilities Manager) of the Kelmscott School in Walthamstow E17 to deliberately fabricate and discredit me in order to cast doubts as to my integrity as a worthy and responsible school supplier. I confirm that all the allegations made my Pam Ereira in support of Shona Ramsay's witness statement, are Libellous and deliberate fabricated lies and I have been advised to issue legal proceedings once this case is over. What is even more unimaginable to believe is that, in Shona Ramsay’s recent witness statement, she tried to defend her most outrageous actions by NOW (very conveniently) claiming that I had been selling “Short Skirts and Tight Trousers” all allegations of which are strongly refuted, all fabricated lies, and which had never been previously been brought to my attention. If this was not ruthless enough, the Lammas School has also called upon their new supplier Navid Afzal, managing director of Fashion Stop in London E6, to confirm in a written statement that I had ordered excessively. Despite the school’s new stockist being out of stock in some of the most popular sizes for some considerable time, causing the parents unnecessary time in travel and wasted expense, this clearly very inexperienced and very unprofessional school wear stockist is certainly “no expert” in his field and it is my belief that he had been deliberately asked to fabricate a statement to try and ridicule me by trying to "teach your grandmother to suck eggs", so to speak. I am appealing to all parents / carers, pupils, ex-teachers and ex-pupils from the Lammas school to come forward and confirm the true reason for the change in the Lammas school uniform and when first this had been discussed. I also want to know whether the parents & carers were happy with the school’s decision to appoint a new uniform supplier outside the school’s catchment area rather than appointing a local supplier. I would also like to know why the school had proceeded with the new uniform change when clearly a number of parents and pupils had disliked and disapproved the new uniform change and when there was clearly an alternative solution by keeping the old uniform, which was the preferred choice. I would also like to know the true reason for Mr Hannaby’s disappearance and why he had miraculously and very conveniently re-appeared to submit his witness statement. After my court hearing against the Lammas School & Sports College, I will be calling for the resignation of the Chair of Governors, Ted Cooke, the Head teacher Shona Ramsay, the new business manager Kate Chandran and the legal advisors at the LBWF Sheila Anand for their deplorable and ruthless actions. Please help me fight these bullies. For the sake of JUSTICE, and the schools deplorable actions, if you have any information whatsoever, please contact me, and please share and use your twitter account to tweet and share this article to all your friends, family and followers. Thanking You. Janet (Victoria-2 School Wear). victoria246
  • Score: 44

9:19pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Howard Wolowitz says...

Having gone through litigation at the RCJ last year I can empathise with your stress. It appals me the lengths some people will go to justify their errors and wish you Janet all the very best in achieving a satisfactory outcome for yourself and to show up the other party for all their lies.
Having gone through litigation at the RCJ last year I can empathise with your stress. It appals me the lengths some people will go to justify their errors and wish you Janet all the very best in achieving a satisfactory outcome for yourself and to show up the other party for all their lies. Howard Wolowitz
  • Score: 21

9:58pm Sun 8 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

Howard Wolowitz wrote:
Having gone through litigation at the RCJ last year I can empathise with your stress. It appals me the lengths some people will go to justify their errors and wish you Janet all the very best in achieving a satisfactory outcome for yourself and to show up the other party for all their lies.
Hi Howard,

Thanks for your moral support, that is greatly appreciated. There should be laws to stop these kind of ruthless thugs from acting in this appalling way and the Lammas School should be ashamed of themselves.

This is certainly no error on the school's part but a premeditated deliberate act to incur me in substantial loss and mounting legal costs in order to force me to close down my business. If it had not been for my family's support and assistance in these very difficult times I certainly would have closed down the business for good. All the best, Janet.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Wolowitz[/bold] wrote: Having gone through litigation at the RCJ last year I can empathise with your stress. It appals me the lengths some people will go to justify their errors and wish you Janet all the very best in achieving a satisfactory outcome for yourself and to show up the other party for all their lies.[/p][/quote]Hi Howard, Thanks for your moral support, that is greatly appreciated. There should be laws to stop these kind of ruthless thugs from acting in this appalling way and the Lammas School should be ashamed of themselves. This is certainly no error on the school's part but a premeditated deliberate act to incur me in substantial loss and mounting legal costs in order to force me to close down my business. If it had not been for my family's support and assistance in these very difficult times I certainly would have closed down the business for good. All the best, Janet. victoria246
  • Score: 14

10:12pm Sun 8 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.
Hi Villagecranberry,

Thanks for your moral support, which is greatly appreciated.

Please see above the appalling and most disgraceful defence that had been put forward by the Lammas School.

At point 2 of the school's defence this extremely ruthless and unethical school even had the downright audacity to pass the buck onto the parents and carers; implying that I should take legal action against these parties, when it was the school who had deliberately and recklessly redirected them to their new supplier in a completely different borough. All the best, Janet.
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.[/p][/quote]Hi Villagecranberry, Thanks for your moral support, which is greatly appreciated. Please see above the appalling and most disgraceful defence that had been put forward by the Lammas School. At point 2 of the school's defence this extremely ruthless and unethical school even had the downright audacity to pass the buck onto the parents and carers; implying that I should take legal action against these parties, when it was the school who had deliberately and recklessly redirected them to their new supplier in a completely different borough. All the best, Janet. victoria246
  • Score: 14

10:24pm Sun 8 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

sappho_ wrote:
What an appalling way to behave towards this small business. I hope they get every penny back.
Hi sappho,

Thank you for your comment. I agree that the Lammas School & Sports College has behaved in a very disgraceful manner. I thank you for your moral support and hope that you will be kind enough to share this article on other social networking sites. I want all parents and carers to know what kind of school they are sending their children to; a school that clearly finds it hard to differentiate between being morally right and wrong. I feel as though I have been stabbed in the back by this school. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]sappho_[/bold] wrote: What an appalling way to behave towards this small business. I hope they get every penny back.[/p][/quote]Hi sappho, Thank you for your comment. I agree that the Lammas School & Sports College has behaved in a very disgraceful manner. I thank you for your moral support and hope that you will be kind enough to share this article on other social networking sites. I want all parents and carers to know what kind of school they are sending their children to; a school that clearly finds it hard to differentiate between being morally right and wrong. I feel as though I have been stabbed in the back by this school. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 12

11:39am Mon 9 Jun 14

bush87 says...

My son goes to this Lammas School. He says that he absolutely hates wearing the new uniform as he has been made a target to be bullied. The new uniform is ever so revolting and repulsive. Who is the school kidding in dressing our pupils in braided school blazers and trimmed jumpers. The new Lammas school uniform is definitely inappropriate for our children. We are not in any way a public school, and the general opinion amongst the pupils is that the old uniform was definitely much better. Our children have suffered and should not be dressed like clowns. The school should also do something with their new supplier fashion stop and the very rude ladies working there, who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing. I have been to the new uniform supplier 3 times, had to wait almost 2 months, had 2 parking tickets and still without the pullover I originally went in for. It is we parents that have suffered. We now have to pay these new over inflated prices for the same items that were being supplied by the old stockists. My sympathies go to the ladies at victoria2. They clearly have been badly treated and I hope the school gets what they deserve for mistreating our local shops. How rude can the school get with their defence? From my own personal experience, the head teacher Mrs Shona Ramsay is a very rude, power obsessed lady. She always moans and never smiles. She is a disgrace to the school and not liked by the majority of the pupils. She should be kicked out with a size 12 shoe.
My son goes to this Lammas School. He says that he absolutely hates wearing the new uniform as he has been made a target to be bullied. The new uniform is ever so revolting and repulsive. Who is the school kidding in dressing our pupils in braided school blazers and trimmed jumpers. The new Lammas school uniform is definitely inappropriate for our children. We are not in any way a public school, and the general opinion amongst the pupils is that the old uniform was definitely much better. Our children have suffered and should not be dressed like clowns. The school should also do something with their new supplier fashion stop and the very rude ladies working there, who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing. I have been to the new uniform supplier 3 times, had to wait almost 2 months, had 2 parking tickets and still without the pullover I originally went in for. It is we parents that have suffered. We now have to pay these new over inflated prices for the same items that were being supplied by the old stockists. My sympathies go to the ladies at victoria2. They clearly have been badly treated and I hope the school gets what they deserve for mistreating our local shops. How rude can the school get with their defence? From my own personal experience, the head teacher Mrs Shona Ramsay is a very rude, power obsessed lady. She always moans and never smiles. She is a disgrace to the school and not liked by the majority of the pupils. She should be kicked out with a size 12 shoe. bush87
  • Score: 33

1:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mdj says...

' an e-mail from me in November in which I advised that there appeared to be no change of uniform on the horizon, which was our position at the time...'

He's just conceded your case! Google 'Promissory Estoppel'

You presumably acted on his statement on the basis that he had authority to state the true position so, if the school isn't responsible HE is, in person, for claiming that authority on which you relied.
See how his tune changes when your claim has his own name on it!

Best of luck! And don't be discouraged by any statement of their lawyers: lawyers at root are simply hired goons who aren't allowed to carry firearms - if their client pays them to to lie , most will lie.

The school has the simple option of allowing these old uniforms to be issued until the supply runs out; are they claiming powers to insist on an overnight change, regardless of peoples' ability to pay? This would confirm suspicions of back-door selection against poorer parents, or some financial interest at the school.

Just as a matter of curiosity, if schools have no contract with these suppliers, how can they insist who parents buy their childrens' uniform from? Does anything legally stop Mrs Cohen from providing the new uniform?

One had hoped that this kind of divisive and exploitative nonsense had faded into history.
Someone needs to explain why countries that put our educational achievements in the shade manage to do so without imposing a school uniform at all!
' an e-mail from me in November in which I advised that there appeared to be no change of uniform on the horizon, which was our position at the time...' He's just conceded your case! Google 'Promissory Estoppel' You presumably acted on his statement on the basis that he had authority to state the true position so, if the school isn't responsible HE is, in person, for claiming that authority on which you relied. See how his tune changes when your claim has his own name on it! Best of luck! And don't be discouraged by any statement of their lawyers: lawyers at root are simply hired goons who aren't allowed to carry firearms - if their client pays them to to lie , most will lie. The school has the simple option of allowing these old uniforms to be issued until the supply runs out; are they claiming powers to insist on an overnight change, regardless of peoples' ability to pay? This would confirm suspicions of back-door selection against poorer parents, or some financial interest at the school. Just as a matter of curiosity, if schools have no contract with these suppliers, how can they insist who parents buy their childrens' uniform from? Does anything legally stop Mrs Cohen from providing the new uniform? One had hoped that this kind of divisive and exploitative nonsense had faded into history. Someone needs to explain why countries that put our educational achievements in the shade manage to do so without imposing a school uniform at all! mdj
  • Score: 21

3:54pm Mon 9 Jun 14

myopinioncounts says...

"new supplier Navid Afzal, managing director of Fashion Stop in London E6,"
Mmm! I would like to see the new uniform - does it include shalwar/kameez, Hijabs etc?
"new supplier Navid Afzal, managing director of Fashion Stop in London E6," Mmm! I would like to see the new uniform - does it include shalwar/kameez, Hijabs etc? myopinioncounts
  • Score: 18

8:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

mdj wrote:
' an e-mail from me in November in which I advised that there appeared to be no change of uniform on the horizon, which was our position at the time...'

He's just conceded your case! Google 'Promissory Estoppel'

You presumably acted on his statement on the basis that he had authority to state the true position so, if the school isn't responsible HE is, in person, for claiming that authority on which you relied.
See how his tune changes when your claim has his own name on it!

Best of luck! And don't be discouraged by any statement of their lawyers: lawyers at root are simply hired goons who aren't allowed to carry firearms - if their client pays them to to lie , most will lie.

The school has the simple option of allowing these old uniforms to be issued until the supply runs out; are they claiming powers to insist on an overnight change, regardless of peoples' ability to pay? This would confirm suspicions of back-door selection against poorer parents, or some financial interest at the school.

Just as a matter of curiosity, if schools have no contract with these suppliers, how can they insist who parents buy their childrens' uniform from? Does anything legally stop Mrs Cohen from providing the new uniform?

One had hoped that this kind of divisive and exploitative nonsense had faded into history.
Someone needs to explain why countries that put our educational achievements in the shade manage to do so without imposing a school uniform at all!
Hi mjd,

Thank you for your moral support. I confirm that this Promissory Estoppel together with detrimental reliance was adequately pleaded in my Particulars of Claim and Reply to the Defendant’s Defence however the school’s defence solicitors could not give monkeys about this.

It is my belief that Shela Anand, a solicitor for the LBWF certainly knew this. Once these proceedings have been concluded, she will be reported to the regulatory body for her very serious misconduct.

To show how intimidating and ruthless this goon and the school can be, she also had the audacity to write to me on the 10th April 2014 with an offer of £9,000 to settle and then a day later (11th April 2014) wrote to me withdrawing the (worthless) offer stating that this was an error and that the school was only prepared to pay £6,500 of the £27,067.59 that I had claimed. This had left me emotionally abused, scarred and traumatised.

I confirm that I had also adequately pleaded “actual or ostensible authority” which is a legal term for the school’s legal responsibility for their business manager’s actions. Despite this, the headteacher Shona Ramsay and their acting solicitor have maintained that the BUSINESS MANAGER, Mr Richard Hannaby:

“DID NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT ON BEHLAF OF THE SCHOOL”

They also said:

“A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE CANNOT ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITHOUT THEIR PROCEDURE BEING FOLLOWED”

This is even though Mr Richard Hannaby had originally written to me:

”GOT AGREEMENT LAST NIGHT AT OUR LEADERSHIP MEETING TO GO WITH YOU”

Instead of phasing out the old uniform and allowing me the agreed:

“TERMINATION NOTICE OF AT LEAST 12 MONTHS”

These goons had deliberately changed the uniform overnight (without phasing the old uniform away) knowing very well that I would suffer severe financial loss as a direct result of their deliberate and reckless actions.

On the 4th June 2010 I had clearly written to the schools business manager:

“IF A CONTRACT WAS IN PLACE AND YOU WERE TO CANCEL THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO PURCHASE ALL THE REMAING UNSOLD STOCK”

My agreement with the school was very clear and concise, in plain English which could not have been mistaken or misinterpreted for anything else by these ruthless goons.

The Lammas school wants everyone to believe that their decision to change the uniform was on the back of a successful Ofsted report on 1st May 2013, however it is my belief that this is wholly untrue as the school had already discussed changing their uniform 6 months prior, and that this was a premeditated action on the school’s part.

It is my belief that this is a very troubled school that clearly cannot differentiate between right and wrong and they should be severely punished for their deliberate and reckless actions.

The Lammas school has also stated that the uniform change was their own pupil’s decision and that:

“THE STUDENTS…..WANTED A MORE GROWN UP LOOK BECAUSE THEY FELT THE SWEATSHIRTS AND POLO TOPS WERE SIMILAR TO A NUMBER OF PRIMARY SCHOOL UNIFORMS AND THEREFORE RATHER YOUNG OR JUVENILE IN APPEARANCE”

The school also ran a survey monkey (survey) on the uniform, however Shona Ramsay claimed:
"that the school does not have a copy of the Survey Monkey" (how convenient).

Shona Ramsay also stated that the pupils had visited a local school to get some ideas for their uniform however when asked about this said that she can not state the schools name as the member of staff responsible for the PLT consultation has left the school (how convenient).

They stated that the students wanted to look more serious or grown up or sophisticated. I certainly do not believe this and it is my honest belief that this new uniform had been forced upon the pupils against their will, by the headteacher Shona Ramsay.

I also believe as mjd has stated that this may have been financially motivated and urge the residents of the London borough of Waltham Forest to speak up and express their views.

If anyone has any vital information regarding the Lammas School & Sports College, or why they had behaved in such a disgraceful manner, please come forward and please contact me:

e-mail: victoria-2@outlook.c
om.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

I want the residents of the LBWF to unite and to help me fight these ruthless thugs.

If you care, please share this news article. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' an e-mail from me in November in which I advised that there appeared to be no change of uniform on the horizon, which was our position at the time...' He's just conceded your case! Google 'Promissory Estoppel' You presumably acted on his statement on the basis that he had authority to state the true position so, if the school isn't responsible HE is, in person, for claiming that authority on which you relied. See how his tune changes when your claim has his own name on it! Best of luck! And don't be discouraged by any statement of their lawyers: lawyers at root are simply hired goons who aren't allowed to carry firearms - if their client pays them to to lie , most will lie. The school has the simple option of allowing these old uniforms to be issued until the supply runs out; are they claiming powers to insist on an overnight change, regardless of peoples' ability to pay? This would confirm suspicions of back-door selection against poorer parents, or some financial interest at the school. Just as a matter of curiosity, if schools have no contract with these suppliers, how can they insist who parents buy their childrens' uniform from? Does anything legally stop Mrs Cohen from providing the new uniform? One had hoped that this kind of divisive and exploitative nonsense had faded into history. Someone needs to explain why countries that put our educational achievements in the shade manage to do so without imposing a school uniform at all![/p][/quote]Hi mjd, Thank you for your moral support. I confirm that this Promissory Estoppel together with detrimental reliance was adequately pleaded in my Particulars of Claim and Reply to the Defendant’s Defence however the school’s defence solicitors could not give monkeys about this. It is my belief that Shela Anand, a solicitor for the LBWF certainly knew this. Once these proceedings have been concluded, she will be reported to the regulatory body for her very serious misconduct. To show how intimidating and ruthless this goon and the school can be, she also had the audacity to write to me on the 10th April 2014 with an offer of £9,000 to settle and then a day later (11th April 2014) wrote to me withdrawing the (worthless) offer stating that this was an error and that the school was only prepared to pay £6,500 of the £27,067.59 that I had claimed. This had left me emotionally abused, scarred and traumatised. I confirm that I had also adequately pleaded “actual or ostensible authority” which is a legal term for the school’s legal responsibility for their business manager’s actions. Despite this, the headteacher Shona Ramsay and their acting solicitor have maintained that the BUSINESS MANAGER, Mr Richard Hannaby: “DID NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT ON BEHLAF OF THE SCHOOL” They also said: “A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE CANNOT ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITHOUT THEIR PROCEDURE BEING FOLLOWED” This is even though Mr Richard Hannaby had originally written to me: ”GOT AGREEMENT LAST NIGHT AT OUR LEADERSHIP MEETING TO GO WITH YOU” Instead of phasing out the old uniform and allowing me the agreed: “TERMINATION NOTICE OF AT LEAST 12 MONTHS” These goons had deliberately changed the uniform overnight (without phasing the old uniform away) knowing very well that I would suffer severe financial loss as a direct result of their deliberate and reckless actions. On the 4th June 2010 I had clearly written to the schools business manager: “IF A CONTRACT WAS IN PLACE AND YOU WERE TO CANCEL THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO PURCHASE ALL THE REMAING UNSOLD STOCK” My agreement with the school was very clear and concise, in plain English which could not have been mistaken or misinterpreted for anything else by these ruthless goons. The Lammas school wants everyone to believe that their decision to change the uniform was on the back of a successful Ofsted report on 1st May 2013, however it is my belief that this is wholly untrue as the school had already discussed changing their uniform 6 months prior, and that this was a premeditated action on the school’s part. It is my belief that this is a very troubled school that clearly cannot differentiate between right and wrong and they should be severely punished for their deliberate and reckless actions. The Lammas school has also stated that the uniform change was their own pupil’s decision and that: “THE STUDENTS…..WANTED A MORE GROWN UP LOOK BECAUSE THEY FELT THE SWEATSHIRTS AND POLO TOPS WERE SIMILAR TO A NUMBER OF PRIMARY SCHOOL UNIFORMS AND THEREFORE RATHER YOUNG OR JUVENILE IN APPEARANCE” The school also ran a survey monkey (survey) on the uniform, however Shona Ramsay claimed: "that the school does not have a copy of the Survey Monkey" (how convenient). Shona Ramsay also stated that the pupils had visited a local school to get some ideas for their uniform however when asked about this said that she can not state the schools name as the member of staff responsible for the PLT consultation has left the school (how convenient). They stated that the students wanted to look more serious or grown up or sophisticated. I certainly do not believe this and it is my honest belief that this new uniform had been forced upon the pupils against their will, by the headteacher Shona Ramsay. I also believe as mjd has stated that this may have been financially motivated and urge the residents of the London borough of Waltham Forest to speak up and express their views. If anyone has any vital information regarding the Lammas School & Sports College, or why they had behaved in such a disgraceful manner, please come forward and please contact me: e-mail: victoria-2@outlook.c om. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. I want the residents of the LBWF to unite and to help me fight these ruthless thugs. If you care, please share this news article. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 19

8:30pm Mon 9 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

ruby newbie wrote:
me smells a rat,,,friends or family own the stockist shop in newham
Hi ruby newbie,

Thank you for your comment and your moral support which is greatly appreciated. It is also my belief that a relationship between the two may exist and I need to find the time to explore this further. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]ruby newbie[/bold] wrote: me smells a rat,,,friends or family own the stockist shop in newham[/p][/quote]Hi ruby newbie, Thank you for your comment and your moral support which is greatly appreciated. It is also my belief that a relationship between the two may exist and I need to find the time to explore this further. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 15

10:10pm Mon 9 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

myopinioncounts wrote:
"new supplier Navid Afzal, managing director of Fashion Stop in London E6,"
Mmm! I would like to see the new uniform - does it include shalwar/kameez, Hijabs etc?
Hi myopinioncounts,

Please find enclosed below a link to the new Lammas School Uniform.

http://www.lammas.wa
ltham.sch.uk/parents
/uniform

You can see that shalwar/kameez, Hijabs are included as part of the new uniform. On the other hand I am not sure whether turbans are included or worn in the school. Regards, Janet
[quote][p][bold]myopinioncounts[/bold] wrote: "new supplier Navid Afzal, managing director of Fashion Stop in London E6," Mmm! I would like to see the new uniform - does it include shalwar/kameez, Hijabs etc?[/p][/quote]Hi myopinioncounts, Please find enclosed below a link to the new Lammas School Uniform. http://www.lammas.wa ltham.sch.uk/parents /uniform You can see that shalwar/kameez, Hijabs are included as part of the new uniform. On the other hand I am not sure whether turbans are included or worn in the school. Regards, Janet victoria246
  • Score: 10

9:56am Tue 10 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

bush87 wrote:
My son goes to this Lammas School. He says that he absolutely hates wearing the new uniform as he has been made a target to be bullied. The new uniform is ever so revolting and repulsive. Who is the school kidding in dressing our pupils in braided school blazers and trimmed jumpers. The new Lammas school uniform is definitely inappropriate for our children. We are not in any way a public school, and the general opinion amongst the pupils is that the old uniform was definitely much better. Our children have suffered and should not be dressed like clowns. The school should also do something with their new supplier fashion stop and the very rude ladies working there, who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing. I have been to the new uniform supplier 3 times, had to wait almost 2 months, had 2 parking tickets and still without the pullover I originally went in for. It is we parents that have suffered. We now have to pay these new over inflated prices for the same items that were being supplied by the old stockists. My sympathies go to the ladies at victoria2. They clearly have been badly treated and I hope the school gets what they deserve for mistreating our local shops. How rude can the school get with their defence? From my own personal experience, the head teacher Mrs Shona Ramsay is a very rude, power obsessed lady. She always moans and never smiles. She is a disgrace to the school and not liked by the majority of the pupils. She should be kicked out with a size 12 shoe.
Hi bush87,

Thank you for your feedback. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Do you know if there is any truth that the pupils had “apparently” designed this uniform, after a design competition, and that it was the pupil’s choice, as they wanted to look more grown up? Your head teacher Shona Ramsay suggested this.

It is my belief that this uniform bears an almost identical resemblance to a uniform being worn by another school also buy the name of Lammas School which is based in Nottinghamshire http://www.lammas-sc
hool.co.uk/

Are you also aware of any known relationship between the 2 schools? It is my honest belief that the school may have copied the new uniform from the Nottinghamshire School and not as suggested by the school, and that this may be a cover up story by the head teacher. Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?

It would appear to me that this is a troubled school and I am aware the school has police presence and arches at the entrance of the school to detect weapons and screen knives as reported widely in the press. Do you or any of your friends at the Lammas school wear these stab proof vests, and if they are widely worn?

In one incident it is believed that in a consultation with the school "the officer told the pupil to remove the vest".

However in the press, it had been reported that the head teacher Shona Ramsay had gone against the police advise and said:

"Staff were advised by police and one of our students was given permission to wear the body armour underneath his uniform on journeys to and from school

http://www.thefreeli
brary.com/STAB+PROOF
+VEST%3B+THE+BOY+WHO
+GOES+TO+SCHOOL+IN+A
..+Knife+threat+in..
.-a0142990924

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/1
512623/Frightened-pu
pil-wears-stab-proof
-vest-to-school.html


http://www.policespe
cials.com/forum/inde
x.php/topic/36514-sc
hoolboy-found-wearin
g-protective-vest/

What kind of message is this school sending? It is my belief that these items should be totally banned from all schools without any exception and not encouraged by the head teacher Shona Ramsay as this is most disgraceful.

Would you be allowed to wear these stab proof vests in an airport or government building? CLEARLY NO! It is my belief that this buffoon has shown total disregard to the police officers and thinks that she is beyond the law in the same manner that she had disrespected and traumatised me, and constantly LIED in the litigation proceedings against the school? Perhaps she thinks that she is untouchable like Max Clifford. This is one big mystery.

I urge you and your friends to come forward and contact me with any further information at my e-mail address below:

victoria-2@outlook.c
om

Please also share this article with all friends and family. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]bush87[/bold] wrote: My son goes to this Lammas School. He says that he absolutely hates wearing the new uniform as he has been made a target to be bullied. The new uniform is ever so revolting and repulsive. Who is the school kidding in dressing our pupils in braided school blazers and trimmed jumpers. The new Lammas school uniform is definitely inappropriate for our children. We are not in any way a public school, and the general opinion amongst the pupils is that the old uniform was definitely much better. Our children have suffered and should not be dressed like clowns. The school should also do something with their new supplier fashion stop and the very rude ladies working there, who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing. I have been to the new uniform supplier 3 times, had to wait almost 2 months, had 2 parking tickets and still without the pullover I originally went in for. It is we parents that have suffered. We now have to pay these new over inflated prices for the same items that were being supplied by the old stockists. My sympathies go to the ladies at victoria2. They clearly have been badly treated and I hope the school gets what they deserve for mistreating our local shops. How rude can the school get with their defence? From my own personal experience, the head teacher Mrs Shona Ramsay is a very rude, power obsessed lady. She always moans and never smiles. She is a disgrace to the school and not liked by the majority of the pupils. She should be kicked out with a size 12 shoe.[/p][/quote]Hi bush87, Thank you for your feedback. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Do you know if there is any truth that the pupils had “apparently” designed this uniform, after a design competition, and that it was the pupil’s choice, as they wanted to look more grown up? Your head teacher Shona Ramsay suggested this. It is my belief that this uniform bears an almost identical resemblance to a uniform being worn by another school also buy the name of Lammas School which is based in Nottinghamshire http://www.lammas-sc hool.co.uk/ Are you also aware of any known relationship between the 2 schools? It is my honest belief that the school may have copied the new uniform from the Nottinghamshire School and not as suggested by the school, and that this may be a cover up story by the head teacher. Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School? It would appear to me that this is a troubled school and I am aware the school has police presence and arches at the entrance of the school to detect weapons and screen knives as reported widely in the press. Do you or any of your friends at the Lammas school wear these stab proof vests, and if they are widely worn? In one incident it is believed that in a consultation with the school "the officer told the pupil to remove the vest". However in the press, it had been reported that the head teacher Shona Ramsay had gone against the police advise and said: "Staff were advised by police and one of our students was given permission to wear the body armour underneath his uniform on journeys to and from school http://www.thefreeli brary.com/STAB+PROOF +VEST%3B+THE+BOY+WHO +GOES+TO+SCHOOL+IN+A ..+Knife+threat+in.. .-a0142990924 http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/1 512623/Frightened-pu pil-wears-stab-proof -vest-to-school.html http://www.policespe cials.com/forum/inde x.php/topic/36514-sc hoolboy-found-wearin g-protective-vest/ What kind of message is this school sending? It is my belief that these items should be totally banned from all schools without any exception and not encouraged by the head teacher Shona Ramsay as this is most disgraceful. Would you be allowed to wear these stab proof vests in an airport or government building? CLEARLY NO! It is my belief that this buffoon has shown total disregard to the police officers and thinks that she is beyond the law in the same manner that she had disrespected and traumatised me, and constantly LIED in the litigation proceedings against the school? Perhaps she thinks that she is untouchable like Max Clifford. This is one big mystery. I urge you and your friends to come forward and contact me with any further information at my e-mail address below: victoria-2@outlook.c om Please also share this article with all friends and family. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 11

10:46am Tue 10 Jun 14

mdj says...

' Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?'

Company Check and Company Director Check, two linked free-to-use online sites, will tell you. They can flag up connections and possible conflicts of interest very quickly. To see detailed accounts involves a fee which may be worth paying if something looks fishy.

This kind of stuff is much easier to research than it was a few years ago.
Check also the names of governors at the Notts school at the same time, and their magazine for details about when they adopted their uniform.
' Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?' Company Check and Company Director Check, two linked free-to-use online sites, will tell you. They can flag up connections and possible conflicts of interest very quickly. To see detailed accounts involves a fee which may be worth paying if something looks fishy. This kind of stuff is much easier to research than it was a few years ago. Check also the names of governors at the Notts school at the same time, and their magazine for details about when they adopted their uniform. mdj
  • Score: 13

11:11am Tue 10 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

mdj wrote:
' Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?'

Company Check and Company Director Check, two linked free-to-use online sites, will tell you. They can flag up connections and possible conflicts of interest very quickly. To see detailed accounts involves a fee which may be worth paying if something looks fishy.

This kind of stuff is much easier to research than it was a few years ago.
Check also the names of governors at the Notts school at the same time, and their magazine for details about when they adopted their uniform.
Thanks for your great advice mdj. I will do this straight away.

All the best, Janet
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?' Company Check and Company Director Check, two linked free-to-use online sites, will tell you. They can flag up connections and possible conflicts of interest very quickly. To see detailed accounts involves a fee which may be worth paying if something looks fishy. This kind of stuff is much easier to research than it was a few years ago. Check also the names of governors at the Notts school at the same time, and their magazine for details about when they adopted their uniform.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your great advice mdj. I will do this straight away. All the best, Janet victoria246
  • Score: 6

12:14pm Tue 10 Jun 14

agi173 says...

Have you tried going to watchdog. I am certain that they will have a field day with this story. It amazes me the length these people will go to when they clearly have no plausable defence. I deeply sympathise with you. Name and shame these rogues on TV. Only then will they cough up every last penny they owe you. Good luck.
Have you tried going to watchdog. I am certain that they will have a field day with this story. It amazes me the length these people will go to when they clearly have no plausable defence. I deeply sympathise with you. Name and shame these rogues on TV. Only then will they cough up every last penny they owe you. Good luck. agi173
  • Score: 18

2:04pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Villagecranberry says...

victoria246 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.
Hi Villagecranberry,

Thanks for your moral support, which is greatly appreciated.

Please see above the appalling and most disgraceful defence that had been put forward by the Lammas School.

At point 2 of the school's defence this extremely ruthless and unethical school even had the downright audacity to pass the buck onto the parents and carers; implying that I should take legal action against these parties, when it was the school who had deliberately and recklessly redirected them to their new supplier in a completely different borough. All the best, Janet.
Any decent Judge will see through all this and common sense should prevail.

Any Solicitor acting for them will advise them to settle with you and I advise you to do so as these matters can get out of hand very quickly.

I wish you all the very best with it.
[quote][p][bold]victoria246[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.[/p][/quote]Hi Villagecranberry, Thanks for your moral support, which is greatly appreciated. Please see above the appalling and most disgraceful defence that had been put forward by the Lammas School. At point 2 of the school's defence this extremely ruthless and unethical school even had the downright audacity to pass the buck onto the parents and carers; implying that I should take legal action against these parties, when it was the school who had deliberately and recklessly redirected them to their new supplier in a completely different borough. All the best, Janet.[/p][/quote]Any decent Judge will see through all this and common sense should prevail. Any Solicitor acting for them will advise them to settle with you and I advise you to do so as these matters can get out of hand very quickly. I wish you all the very best with it. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 12

2:48pm Tue 10 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

mdj wrote:
' Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?'

Company Check and Company Director Check, two linked free-to-use online sites, will tell you. They can flag up connections and possible conflicts of interest very quickly. To see detailed accounts involves a fee which may be worth paying if something looks fishy.

This kind of stuff is much easier to research than it was a few years ago.
Check also the names of governors at the Notts school at the same time, and their magazine for details about when they adopted their uniform.
Hi mdj,

Thank you so much for the info. I am indebted to you. I am currently looking into this and see that there are a few Notts school. Is this the Nottingham Academy that had changed their uniform in 2010?

All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: ' Is there a relationship between Navid Afzal, of the Fashion Stop and any of the teachers, head teachers, Kate Chandran, or any of the governors at the Lammas School?' Company Check and Company Director Check, two linked free-to-use online sites, will tell you. They can flag up connections and possible conflicts of interest very quickly. To see detailed accounts involves a fee which may be worth paying if something looks fishy. This kind of stuff is much easier to research than it was a few years ago. Check also the names of governors at the Notts school at the same time, and their magazine for details about when they adopted their uniform.[/p][/quote]Hi mdj, Thank you so much for the info. I am indebted to you. I am currently looking into this and see that there are a few Notts school. Is this the Nottingham Academy that had changed their uniform in 2010? All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 6

3:10pm Tue 10 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

agi173 wrote:
Have you tried going to watchdog. I am certain that they will have a field day with this story. It amazes me the length these people will go to when they clearly have no plausable defence. I deeply sympathise with you. Name and shame these rogues on TV. Only then will they cough up every last penny they owe you. Good luck.
Hi agi173,

Thank you so much for your great advise. I sincerely hope that the BBC will will be ruthless with these bullies. Let's turn this around and see how these thugs react as they had left me deeply traumatized for well over a year.

It will be good to see what the head teacher Shona Ramsay and the solicitor for the London Borough of Waltham Forest Sheila Anand, have to say to the BBC. Probably "NO COMMENT" or "IT WASN'T ME" or hide like muppets. All the best. Janet.
[quote][p][bold]agi173[/bold] wrote: Have you tried going to watchdog. I am certain that they will have a field day with this story. It amazes me the length these people will go to when they clearly have no plausable defence. I deeply sympathise with you. Name and shame these rogues on TV. Only then will they cough up every last penny they owe you. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Hi agi173, Thank you so much for your great advise. I sincerely hope that the BBC will will be ruthless with these bullies. Let's turn this around and see how these thugs react as they had left me deeply traumatized for well over a year. It will be good to see what the head teacher Shona Ramsay and the solicitor for the London Borough of Waltham Forest Sheila Anand, have to say to the BBC. Probably "NO COMMENT" or "IT WASN'T ME" or hide like muppets. All the best. Janet. victoria246
  • Score: 10

3:27pm Tue 10 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
victoria246 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.
Hi Villagecranberry,

Thanks for your moral support, which is greatly appreciated.

Please see above the appalling and most disgraceful defence that had been put forward by the Lammas School.

At point 2 of the school's defence this extremely ruthless and unethical school even had the downright audacity to pass the buck onto the parents and carers; implying that I should take legal action against these parties, when it was the school who had deliberately and recklessly redirected them to their new supplier in a completely different borough. All the best, Janet.
Any decent Judge will see through all this and common sense should prevail.

Any Solicitor acting for them will advise them to settle with you and I advise you to do so as these matters can get out of hand very quickly.

I wish you all the very best with it.
Hi Villagecranberry,

Thanks you for your message and your kind advise which is greatly appreciated.

What the school had done to me was so evil and so cruel that they had left me deeply traumatized for many years to come. There is no doubt that the school wants to settle however they want to pay me peanuts and get away with murder. They clearly have no morals or dignity. All the best. Janet.
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]victoria246[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour run education authority, does not give a monkeys about the small businesses and will gladly sink them. I would love to read their defence. It is the public that will pay for their incompetence.[/p][/quote]Hi Villagecranberry, Thanks for your moral support, which is greatly appreciated. Please see above the appalling and most disgraceful defence that had been put forward by the Lammas School. At point 2 of the school's defence this extremely ruthless and unethical school even had the downright audacity to pass the buck onto the parents and carers; implying that I should take legal action against these parties, when it was the school who had deliberately and recklessly redirected them to their new supplier in a completely different borough. All the best, Janet.[/p][/quote]Any decent Judge will see through all this and common sense should prevail. Any Solicitor acting for them will advise them to settle with you and I advise you to do so as these matters can get out of hand very quickly. I wish you all the very best with it.[/p][/quote]Hi Villagecranberry, Thanks you for your message and your kind advise which is greatly appreciated. What the school had done to me was so evil and so cruel that they had left me deeply traumatized for many years to come. There is no doubt that the school wants to settle however they want to pay me peanuts and get away with murder. They clearly have no morals or dignity. All the best. Janet. victoria246
  • Score: 6

10:33pm Tue 10 Jun 14

mdj says...

'. Is this the Nottingham Academy that had changed their uniform in 2010?'

Lammas School in Notts is a private fee-paying school, not an academy.

It may be relevant that it went into administration in 2010, though it continues under a new owner.
The identical blazer, and presumably other kit as well, has to be part of this story.

http://www.nottingha
mpost.com/Independen
t-school-goes-admini
stration/story-12213
917-detail/story.htm
l
'. Is this the Nottingham Academy that had changed their uniform in 2010?' Lammas School in Notts is a private fee-paying school, not an academy. It may be relevant that it went into administration in 2010, though it continues under a new owner. The identical blazer, and presumably other kit as well, has to be part of this story. http://www.nottingha mpost.com/Independen t-school-goes-admini stration/story-12213 917-detail/story.htm l mdj
  • Score: 3

10:48pm Tue 10 Jun 14

VillageIdiot69 says...

Janet, I wish you all the best taking on these Nazis. I've had previous experience of taking on people like these before and although the letters, emails, etc sound extremely threatening, they are (as you say) hiding behind it all.

Take them to court and then take them to the cleaners. The sooner idiots like this are removed from our schools and local authorities the better.

Good luck xxx
Janet, I wish you all the best taking on these Nazis. I've had previous experience of taking on people like these before and although the letters, emails, etc sound extremely threatening, they are (as you say) hiding behind it all. Take them to court and then take them to the cleaners. The sooner idiots like this are removed from our schools and local authorities the better. Good luck xxx VillageIdiot69
  • Score: 7

12:15am Wed 11 Jun 14

SpursSupporter1 says...

Wish you all the best with your case but your not doing yourself or your case any favours by openly insulting the indviduals concerned and also accusing them of gross misconduct without "including alledgedly", they could in turn sue you for deformation of character because one thing the courts don't like is people using the media too fight their battles before its even got inside the court house all im saying too you is be careful what and how you say things publically and in the media or it could have a major affect on the out come of your case, wish you all the very best
Wish you all the best with your case but your not doing yourself or your case any favours by openly insulting the indviduals concerned and also accusing them of gross misconduct without "including alledgedly", they could in turn sue you for deformation of character because one thing the courts don't like is people using the media too fight their battles before its even got inside the court house all im saying too you is be careful what and how you say things publically and in the media or it could have a major affect on the out come of your case, wish you all the very best SpursSupporter1
  • Score: 5

6:48am Wed 11 Jun 14

tjm01 says...

Good Luck in all that you do to ensure you recive the justice you so deserve, however I have to agree with Spursupporter1, I understand your anger and disgust with both the school and Shona Ramsay but please remain professional and refrain from using comments which may be used against you, it would appear that the appaling leadership at this school is in desperate need of a full investigation

Having read all of the posts on this article I feel sure you have the full support of a vast majority of readers, lets hope that the people behind this are named and shamed and are made to face the consquences

Once again good luck and chin up
Good Luck in all that you do to ensure you recive the justice you so deserve, however I have to agree with Spursupporter1, I understand your anger and disgust with both the school and Shona Ramsay but please remain professional and refrain from using comments which may be used against you, it would appear that the appaling leadership at this school is in desperate need of a full investigation Having read all of the posts on this article I feel sure you have the full support of a vast majority of readers, lets hope that the people behind this are named and shamed and are made to face the consquences Once again good luck and chin up tjm01
  • Score: 5

7:05am Wed 11 Jun 14

sallysue says...

As a mother of twins in their final year at primary school, the Lammas School in Leyton was one of my options to send them to next year. However, having read this report I am appalled in the manner they have treated a small local business and I have now seriously reconsidered my options.

Why does a local school send parents out of the borough to Newham to purchase their school uniform? Is it a wonder that many small businesses are closing down in Waltham Forest? Do they think that busy parents have neither the time nor money to travel in order to purchase an item of uniform should their children lose or outgrow an item of clothing? I for one have more important things to do with my time and money!! This does not add up. I can't understand why a local supplier was not given the business and therefore create local jobs too!

In addition, whereas this local shopkeeper has to pay for her own legal team, who do you think is paying for the school’s lawyers? ...... Yes it's US!!! the hardworking local residents, which is coming straight from our pockts through our council tax. Surely this money could be put to better use.

My sympathies go out to Mrs Cohen and wish her the very best in her fight for justice....... just remember David and Goliath!
As a mother of twins in their final year at primary school, the Lammas School in Leyton was one of my options to send them to next year. However, having read this report I am appalled in the manner they have treated a small local business and I have now seriously reconsidered my options. Why does a local school send parents out of the borough to Newham to purchase their school uniform? Is it a wonder that many small businesses are closing down in Waltham Forest? Do they think that busy parents have neither the time nor money to travel in order to purchase an item of uniform should their children lose or outgrow an item of clothing? I for one have more important things to do with my time and money!! This does not add up. I can't understand why a local supplier was not given the business and therefore create local jobs too! In addition, whereas this local shopkeeper has to pay for her own legal team, who do you think is paying for the school’s lawyers? ...... Yes it's US!!! the hardworking local residents, which is coming straight from our pockts through our council tax. Surely this money could be put to better use. My sympathies go out to Mrs Cohen and wish her the very best in her fight for justice....... just remember David and Goliath! sallysue
  • Score: 16

3:07pm Wed 11 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

mdj wrote:
'. Is this the Nottingham Academy that had changed their uniform in 2010?'

Lammas School in Notts is a private fee-paying school, not an academy.

It may be relevant that it went into administration in 2010, though it continues under a new owner.
The identical blazer, and presumably other kit as well, has to be part of this story.

http://www.nottingha

mpost.com/Independen

t-school-goes-admini

stration/story-12213

917-detail/story.htm

l
Hi mdj

Thanks for the information, which is greatly appreciated.

I was not aware that this Lammas School in Notts went into administration in 2010, but I am aware that they are operating again under the same name. Are you saying that this school in Notts is related to the Lammas School in Leyton E10 (PFI school)? If so what evidence do we have?

According to the Lammas School in E10, the new uniform was apparently deigned after some form of pupil design competition however I find this very remote as it bears an almost identical resemblance as you said to the uniform of the Lamma School in Notts.

This is one mystery and I will investigate this further. Thanks for all your help and very kind assistance. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: '. Is this the Nottingham Academy that had changed their uniform in 2010?' Lammas School in Notts is a private fee-paying school, not an academy. It may be relevant that it went into administration in 2010, though it continues under a new owner. The identical blazer, and presumably other kit as well, has to be part of this story. http://www.nottingha mpost.com/Independen t-school-goes-admini stration/story-12213 917-detail/story.htm l[/p][/quote]Hi mdj Thanks for the information, which is greatly appreciated. I was not aware that this Lammas School in Notts went into administration in 2010, but I am aware that they are operating again under the same name. Are you saying that this school in Notts is related to the Lammas School in Leyton E10 (PFI school)? If so what evidence do we have? According to the Lammas School in E10, the new uniform was apparently deigned after some form of pupil design competition however I find this very remote as it bears an almost identical resemblance as you said to the uniform of the Lamma School in Notts. This is one mystery and I will investigate this further. Thanks for all your help and very kind assistance. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Wed 11 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

VillageIdiot69 wrote:
Janet, I wish you all the best taking on these Nazis. I've had previous experience of taking on people like these before and although the letters, emails, etc sound extremely threatening, they are (as you say) hiding behind it all.

Take them to court and then take them to the cleaners. The sooner idiots like this are removed from our schools and local authorities the better.

Good luck xxx
Hi VillageIdiot69

Thank you so much for your comment and moral support. I am deeply touched by the support that I have received from all the wonderful readers of the Walthamstow Guardian. I am indebted to you all for spending the time reading this article and giving me the advice and moral support to see me through this case against the Lamas School who had acted ever so badly towards me.

The last 12 months have been extremely difficult for me and I have been at an all time low, emotionally abused and deeply traumatised by the actions of the school. I have been left financially ruined and on medication to calm my nerves. This school had ruined my life and words alone cannot even begin to explain the pain and severe suffering that has been caused to me by the schools actions. All I seek is justice for the schools horrendous behaviour.

I would be most grateful if all readers will be kind enough to share this article on all social media sites to create awareness, and to protect the residents of the LBWF and all other boroughs against any further repetition.

I thank you all for your moral support and the assistance you have given. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]VillageIdiot69[/bold] wrote: Janet, I wish you all the best taking on these Nazis. I've had previous experience of taking on people like these before and although the letters, emails, etc sound extremely threatening, they are (as you say) hiding behind it all. Take them to court and then take them to the cleaners. The sooner idiots like this are removed from our schools and local authorities the better. Good luck xxx[/p][/quote]Hi VillageIdiot69 Thank you so much for your comment and moral support. I am deeply touched by the support that I have received from all the wonderful readers of the Walthamstow Guardian. I am indebted to you all for spending the time reading this article and giving me the advice and moral support to see me through this case against the Lamas School who had acted ever so badly towards me. The last 12 months have been extremely difficult for me and I have been at an all time low, emotionally abused and deeply traumatised by the actions of the school. I have been left financially ruined and on medication to calm my nerves. This school had ruined my life and words alone cannot even begin to explain the pain and severe suffering that has been caused to me by the schools actions. All I seek is justice for the schools horrendous behaviour. I would be most grateful if all readers will be kind enough to share this article on all social media sites to create awareness, and to protect the residents of the LBWF and all other boroughs against any further repetition. I thank you all for your moral support and the assistance you have given. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 6

4:04pm Wed 11 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

SpursSupporter1 wrote:
Wish you all the best with your case but your not doing yourself or your case any favours by openly insulting the indviduals concerned and also accusing them of gross misconduct without "including alledgedly", they could in turn sue you for deformation of character because one thing the courts don't like is people using the media too fight their battles before its even got inside the court house all im saying too you is be careful what and how you say things publically and in the media or it could have a major affect on the out come of your case, wish you all the very best
Hi SpursSupporter1,

Thank you for your kind comment, which is greatly appreciated and details of which are noted. I confirm that it is not my intention to insult the school or their legal advisors, but to adequately defend myself against all the LIBELOUS LIES the school and their legal advisors have made against me. If I have offended anyone including the parties in question, then I sincerely apologize for this, as this has never been my intention.

The comments that I make are merely my freedom of expression and freedom of speech under the Human Rights Article 19, which anyone is openly allowed to discuss with a willing audience. These are merely my opinions and beliefs based on my own personal experience of the comical allegations made by the parties concerned. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]SpursSupporter1[/bold] wrote: Wish you all the best with your case but your not doing yourself or your case any favours by openly insulting the indviduals concerned and also accusing them of gross misconduct without "including alledgedly", they could in turn sue you for deformation of character because one thing the courts don't like is people using the media too fight their battles before its even got inside the court house all im saying too you is be careful what and how you say things publically and in the media or it could have a major affect on the out come of your case, wish you all the very best[/p][/quote]Hi SpursSupporter1, Thank you for your kind comment, which is greatly appreciated and details of which are noted. I confirm that it is not my intention to insult the school or their legal advisors, but to adequately defend myself against all the LIBELOUS LIES the school and their legal advisors have made against me. If I have offended anyone including the parties in question, then I sincerely apologize for this, as this has never been my intention. The comments that I make are merely my freedom of expression and freedom of speech under the Human Rights Article 19, which anyone is openly allowed to discuss with a willing audience. These are merely my opinions and beliefs based on my own personal experience of the comical allegations made by the parties concerned. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 7

2:09pm Thu 12 Jun 14

victoria246 says...

sallysue wrote:
As a mother of twins in their final year at primary school, the Lammas School in Leyton was one of my options to send them to next year. However, having read this report I am appalled in the manner they have treated a small local business and I have now seriously reconsidered my options.

Why does a local school send parents out of the borough to Newham to purchase their school uniform? Is it a wonder that many small businesses are closing down in Waltham Forest? Do they think that busy parents have neither the time nor money to travel in order to purchase an item of uniform should their children lose or outgrow an item of clothing? I for one have more important things to do with my time and money!! This does not add up. I can't understand why a local supplier was not given the business and therefore create local jobs too!

In addition, whereas this local shopkeeper has to pay for her own legal team, who do you think is paying for the school’s lawyers? ...... Yes it's US!!! the hardworking local residents, which is coming straight from our pockts through our council tax. Surely this money could be put to better use.

My sympathies go out to Mrs Cohen and wish her the very best in her fight for justice....... just remember David and Goliath!
Hi sallysue

Thank you so much for your moral support and for the time you have spent writing this heart-warming message that is greatly appreciated.

It is truly wonderful people like you and the residents of the Waltham Forest Borough, which have supported me during these very difficult times that has made it all worthwhile for me to pursue, these culprits for justice and to avoid the closure of my business.

FACTS

At the time the school had decided to deliberately and recklessly change their uniform they already knew:

a. The Lamms School Uniforms had already been manufactured according to their written authority, design & contract.
b. I would suffer substantial loss in them proceeding with the uniform change

DID THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOLTTION: Yes, to allow me the contractual 12 months notice to resell their school uniform.

DID THE PARENTS / CARERS APPROVE OF THE UNIFORM CHANGE: No

Feedback about Uniform questionnaire, February 2013 (RAN BY SCHOOL)
“many students said they like the current one and staff/parents opinions can be summarised with ‘If it ain’t broke why fix it’

“Parents were also concerned about the cost of a new uniform”

DID THE PARENTS / CARERS ASK FOR A LOCAL STOCKIST: Yes

Sally, please note that Victoria-2 is a family run business that had been established for over 47 years supporting the local schools and to be stabbed in the back in this way was absolutely disgraceful.

I can understand if the school had been unhappy with my school uniform supply or the quality, but my same supplier is currently manufacturing the new uniform for the new authorised supplier and I feel as though I have been truly stitched up.

Your view, regarding a local supplier was already expressed by a number of angry parents however for unknown reasons the school decided to show disregard to the parents and proceed with their decision.

My legal expenses for fighting this case has not come cheap and I have had to scrape to make ends meet and seek assistance from my family. I really do not know what I would have done without their help. On the other hand it is my belief that the schools legal bill is being funded with public money.

Please share this article on all social media sites. All the best. Janet
[quote][p][bold]sallysue[/bold] wrote: As a mother of twins in their final year at primary school, the Lammas School in Leyton was one of my options to send them to next year. However, having read this report I am appalled in the manner they have treated a small local business and I have now seriously reconsidered my options. Why does a local school send parents out of the borough to Newham to purchase their school uniform? Is it a wonder that many small businesses are closing down in Waltham Forest? Do they think that busy parents have neither the time nor money to travel in order to purchase an item of uniform should their children lose or outgrow an item of clothing? I for one have more important things to do with my time and money!! This does not add up. I can't understand why a local supplier was not given the business and therefore create local jobs too! In addition, whereas this local shopkeeper has to pay for her own legal team, who do you think is paying for the school’s lawyers? ...... Yes it's US!!! the hardworking local residents, which is coming straight from our pockts through our council tax. Surely this money could be put to better use. My sympathies go out to Mrs Cohen and wish her the very best in her fight for justice....... just remember David and Goliath![/p][/quote]Hi sallysue Thank you so much for your moral support and for the time you have spent writing this heart-warming message that is greatly appreciated. It is truly wonderful people like you and the residents of the Waltham Forest Borough, which have supported me during these very difficult times that has made it all worthwhile for me to pursue, these culprits for justice and to avoid the closure of my business. FACTS At the time the school had decided to deliberately and recklessly change their uniform they already knew: a. The Lamms School Uniforms had already been manufactured according to their written authority, design & contract. b. I would suffer substantial loss in them proceeding with the uniform change DID THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOLTTION: Yes, to allow me the contractual 12 months notice to resell their school uniform. DID THE PARENTS / CARERS APPROVE OF THE UNIFORM CHANGE: No Feedback about Uniform questionnaire, February 2013 (RAN BY SCHOOL) “many students said they like the current one and staff/parents opinions can be summarised with ‘If it ain’t broke why fix it’ “Parents were also concerned about the cost of a new uniform” DID THE PARENTS / CARERS ASK FOR A LOCAL STOCKIST: Yes Sally, please note that Victoria-2 is a family run business that had been established for over 47 years supporting the local schools and to be stabbed in the back in this way was absolutely disgraceful. I can understand if the school had been unhappy with my school uniform supply or the quality, but my same supplier is currently manufacturing the new uniform for the new authorised supplier and I feel as though I have been truly stitched up. Your view, regarding a local supplier was already expressed by a number of angry parents however for unknown reasons the school decided to show disregard to the parents and proceed with their decision. My legal expenses for fighting this case has not come cheap and I have had to scrape to make ends meet and seek assistance from my family. I really do not know what I would have done without their help. On the other hand it is my belief that the schools legal bill is being funded with public money. Please share this article on all social media sites. All the best. Janet victoria246
  • Score: 7

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