Tempers fray over parking near Leyton Tube station

Yunus Patel is one of many who is seeking a solution to parking problems

Yunus Patel is one of many who is seeking a solution to parking problems

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Residents living close to Leyton Tube station say they are desperately searching for a solution to their parking woes after constant rows over spaces.

Elderly residents, parents and carers in St George’s Road, Leyton, claim they are suffering due to people in neighbouring roads opting to introduce controlled parking zones (CPZ) in their streets.

People in St George's Road say their street is now like a car park after restrictions were introduced in so many streets near High Road.

Yunus Patel has lived in St George’s Road Leyton since 1996.

He said: “It started just before the Olympics when they introduced the parking restrictions,” he added.

“Three or four neighbouring roads got restrictions so the residents started parking here. 

"It wasn’t too much of an issue but later in 2013 commuters started parking here.

“It is spoiling the neighbourhood because people are constantly arguing about spaces.”

Mr Patel, 43, approached local Labour councillors for help but was told to wait until after the elections next year.

“The CPZ has to be requested by a certain amount of people – but not everybody can afford the permits so people don’t want it," he added.

“I have emailed suggestions for other measures but have had no reply.”

Maria Steele, 40, has also called for action.

She said: “I come here to look after my dad every day. Sometimes I drive round and round and I’ve lost count of how many times it is before I can find a space.

“People leave bins in the road to try and save themselves a space which causes arguments. It is a nightmare down here.

“I don’t think the permit system is the right way to go unless everyone gets one free permit per house. Why should anyone have to pay to park outside their own home?

“The solution is simple – they need what they had during the Olympics – free parking for people who live here and nobody else.”

Abdul Ahamed, 67, had trouble with commuters when he had his roof fixed.

“I would like to see the introduction of a CPZ but like they have in Redbridge where they don’t pay for the first car.

“I put bins out for a skip once when I was having building work done and wrote a notice. Within minutes someone moved them and parked there.”

Shazad Mohammed, 20, also believes a solution is needed.

“We have Leyton station that causes the problem and then when Leyton Orient games are in it gets busy too,” he said.

“I’ve driven round three or four times or had to park my car far away and walk home.”

For more on this story see next week's Waltham Forest Guardian - out Thursday

 

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8:35am Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.
Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -9

9:49am Fri 25 Jul 14

NorthEast17 says...

The solution is to vote for a CPZ. If you can afford to run a car you surely can afford the yearly fee for a residents parking permit, which if you only have one small car costs £22.50. You can buy a book of tickets for your visitors which is not much more. We experienced a similar problems in our street. Most of our neighbours did not want to pay for permits even though adjacent streets had a CPZ. However after a year of parking hell (for all of us) they changed their minds . The council have to charge to run these schemes because they are not legally able to pay for parking schemes with council tax contributions.
The solution is to vote for a CPZ. If you can afford to run a car you surely can afford the yearly fee for a residents parking permit, which if you only have one small car costs £22.50. You can buy a book of tickets for your visitors which is not much more. We experienced a similar problems in our street. Most of our neighbours did not want to pay for permits even though adjacent streets had a CPZ. However after a year of parking hell (for all of us) they changed their minds . The council have to charge to run these schemes because they are not legally able to pay for parking schemes with council tax contributions. NorthEast17
  • Score: 11

11:08am Fri 25 Jul 14

jonny mash says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.
Placing bins or cones in the road is an obstruction of the highway and is against the law so anyone who removes these obstructions is acting lawfully. Shirley Mr Patel knew that living near to a station would mean that parking spaces would be at a premium , his house is worth more due to the proximity to the station but he is not complaining about that is he? If his road introduced a CPZ it would only push the problem to neighbouring streets - nimbyism at it's best
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.[/p][/quote]Placing bins or cones in the road is an obstruction of the highway and is against the law so anyone who removes these obstructions is acting lawfully. Shirley Mr Patel knew that living near to a station would mean that parking spaces would be at a premium , his house is worth more due to the proximity to the station but he is not complaining about that is he? If his road introduced a CPZ it would only push the problem to neighbouring streets - nimbyism at it's best jonny mash
  • Score: -4

11:11am Fri 25 Jul 14

gillman1998 says...

Not sure why councils allow bins to be placed on the road anyway. Streets around Debden station are ridiculous, with bollards, bins etc. They should all be collected and then make people pay for new bins. That would sort them out.
Not sure why councils allow bins to be placed on the road anyway. Streets around Debden station are ridiculous, with bollards, bins etc. They should all be collected and then make people pay for new bins. That would sort them out. gillman1998
  • Score: 14

11:24am Fri 25 Jul 14

Obstinate says...

NorthEast17 wrote:
The solution is to vote for a CPZ. If you can afford to run a car you surely can afford the yearly fee for a residents parking permit, which if you only have one small car costs £22.50. You can buy a book of tickets for your visitors which is not much more. We experienced a similar problems in our street. Most of our neighbours did not want to pay for permits even though adjacent streets had a CPZ. However after a year of parking hell (for all of us) they changed their minds . The council have to charge to run these schemes because they are not legally able to pay for parking schemes with council tax contributions.
It's the creation of CPZs that have caused the problem in the first place. I have the same issue where I live. There were no parking problems until surrounding areas had CPZs which then forced parking into my area. All it takes is for a few roads to have a CPZ introduced (usually because they are near shops / transport and don't like people parking near them) and this moves the problem to other roads.

The solution is to scrap all CPZs and if people have moved near a tube or shops they should just have to live with congestion for the convenience of location. CPZs just move the problem to new areas which then need a CPZ to control it, moving it on once again. Of couse all of this makes money for somebody and pleases the car haters so I doubt that this would ever happen.
[quote][p][bold]NorthEast17[/bold] wrote: The solution is to vote for a CPZ. If you can afford to run a car you surely can afford the yearly fee for a residents parking permit, which if you only have one small car costs £22.50. You can buy a book of tickets for your visitors which is not much more. We experienced a similar problems in our street. Most of our neighbours did not want to pay for permits even though adjacent streets had a CPZ. However after a year of parking hell (for all of us) they changed their minds . The council have to charge to run these schemes because they are not legally able to pay for parking schemes with council tax contributions.[/p][/quote]It's the creation of CPZs that have caused the problem in the first place. I have the same issue where I live. There were no parking problems until surrounding areas had CPZs which then forced parking into my area. All it takes is for a few roads to have a CPZ introduced (usually because they are near shops / transport and don't like people parking near them) and this moves the problem to other roads. The solution is to scrap all CPZs and if people have moved near a tube or shops they should just have to live with congestion for the convenience of location. CPZs just move the problem to new areas which then need a CPZ to control it, moving it on once again. Of couse all of this makes money for somebody and pleases the car haters so I doubt that this would ever happen. Obstinate
  • Score: 14

11:28am Fri 25 Jul 14

Obstinate says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.
The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere because of the surrounding CPZs forcing all cars to park in the few roads that don't have them.

Some people need a car because public transport is not an option for them. Of course, to understand this would mean that you would have to think about somebody else's situation for a change which is probably beyond you.
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.[/p][/quote]The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere because of the surrounding CPZs forcing all cars to park in the few roads that don't have them. Some people need a car because public transport is not an option for them. Of course, to understand this would mean that you would have to think about somebody else's situation for a change which is probably beyond you. Obstinate
  • Score: 22

11:59am Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

Obstinate wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.
The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere because of the surrounding CPZs forcing all cars to park in the few roads that don't have them.

Some people need a car because public transport is not an option for them. Of course, to understand this would mean that you would have to think about somebody else's situation for a change which is probably beyond you.
No it is not beyond me at all, maybe it is beyond you to understand that your threshold does not extend to the space in the road outside your house?

Your perceived problems arise because CPZ's have been introduced in other areas which has moved the problems elsewhere.

If people need to park near their house because they are disabled if that s what you imply, they can get a bay put in.

Placing bins and other obstructions in the road is an offence contrary to the Road Traffic Act and can be removed.

These old Victoria houses were erected in days when there were horse and carts and no motor cars. Problem is, bad management by Labour Authorities have allowed conversions into flats doubling or quadrupling the problems as some households have four or more car owners to each property. There simply is not enough room in most roads these days.

If people cycled more or used public transport (in this case the station is a few yards up the road) the area would be less congested.
[quote][p][bold]Obstinate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.[/p][/quote]The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere because of the surrounding CPZs forcing all cars to park in the few roads that don't have them. Some people need a car because public transport is not an option for them. Of course, to understand this would mean that you would have to think about somebody else's situation for a change which is probably beyond you.[/p][/quote]No it is not beyond me at all, maybe it is beyond you to understand that your threshold does not extend to the space in the road outside your house? Your perceived problems arise because CPZ's have been introduced in other areas which has moved the problems elsewhere. If people need to park near their house because they are disabled if that s what you imply, they can get a bay put in. Placing bins and other obstructions in the road is an offence contrary to the Road Traffic Act and can be removed. These old Victoria houses were erected in days when there were horse and carts and no motor cars. Problem is, bad management by Labour Authorities have allowed conversions into flats doubling or quadrupling the problems as some households have four or more car owners to each property. There simply is not enough room in most roads these days. If people cycled more or used public transport (in this case the station is a few yards up the road) the area would be less congested. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Obstinate says...

Read my post - I said "The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere". Oh sorry, I forgot that you are too busy trolling to read and understand most posts properly.

The problems are not perceived they are real.

Disabled bays are courtesy bays only and often get ignored in these areas.

I did not mention obstructions in the road but thanks for your usual rambling.

Yes, high density conversions have made the problems worse, but the CPZs are the main issue.
Read my post - I said "The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere". Oh sorry, I forgot that you are too busy trolling to read and understand most posts properly. The problems are not perceived they are real. Disabled bays are courtesy bays only and often get ignored in these areas. I did not mention obstructions in the road but thanks for your usual rambling. Yes, high density conversions have made the problems worse, but the CPZs are the main issue. Obstinate
  • Score: 9

12:15pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

Obstinate wrote:
Read my post - I said "The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere". Oh sorry, I forgot that you are too busy trolling to read and understand most posts properly.

The problems are not perceived they are real.

Disabled bays are courtesy bays only and often get ignored in these areas.

I did not mention obstructions in the road but thanks for your usual rambling.

Yes, high density conversions have made the problems worse, but the CPZs are the main issue.
You can park somewhere, away from your house and then walk back to your house, it is as simple as that.

Maybe you could do like others have done and vote for a CPZ and push the problem further afield.

You can move it is too much to bear also?

The reality is this. Parking is a major problem in this and many other boroughs. If you go over to Hackney and Victoria Park, you have to pay to park there also. The situation can only get worse. It would be better to make plans now for the future.
[quote][p][bold]Obstinate[/bold] wrote: Read my post - I said "The problem is not about parking outside your house. The problem is that sometimes you can't park anywhere". Oh sorry, I forgot that you are too busy trolling to read and understand most posts properly. The problems are not perceived they are real. Disabled bays are courtesy bays only and often get ignored in these areas. I did not mention obstructions in the road but thanks for your usual rambling. Yes, high density conversions have made the problems worse, but the CPZs are the main issue.[/p][/quote]You can park somewhere, away from your house and then walk back to your house, it is as simple as that. Maybe you could do like others have done and vote for a CPZ and push the problem further afield. You can move it is too much to bear also? The reality is this. Parking is a major problem in this and many other boroughs. If you go over to Hackney and Victoria Park, you have to pay to park there also. The situation can only get worse. It would be better to make plans now for the future. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -6

12:23pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Saqib67 says...

I live on Leyton Park Road, due to the proximity of my house to Leyton Station, I have the same issue. Commuters have the same right to park outside our houses however it’s at a cost of total disregard to residents convenience, causing at best nowhere to park (as surrounding rounds have CPZ) and at worst conflict between neighbours. Displacements only started to occur once the neighbouring roads had CPZ introduced and the issue will not be resolved until CPZ are introduced on every street in Leyton.

As for pricing, the CPZ scheme being scrapped is not an option because of the greed and incompetence of the council… Redbridge would be a good example to follow.
I live on Leyton Park Road, due to the proximity of my house to Leyton Station, I have the same issue. Commuters have the same right to park outside our houses however it’s at a cost of total disregard to residents convenience, causing at best nowhere to park (as surrounding rounds have CPZ) and at worst conflict between neighbours. Displacements only started to occur once the neighbouring roads had CPZ introduced and the issue will not be resolved until CPZ are introduced on every street in Leyton. As for pricing, the CPZ scheme being scrapped is not an option because of the greed and incompetence of the council… Redbridge would be a good example to follow. Saqib67
  • Score: 11

12:23pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Saqib67 says...

I live on Leyton Park Road, due to the proximity of my house to Leyton Station, I have the same issue. Commuters have the same right to park outside our houses however it’s at a cost of total disregard to residents convenience, causing at best nowhere to park (as surrounding rounds have CPZ) and at worst conflict between neighbours. Displacements only started to occur once the neighbouring roads had CPZ introduced and the issue will not be resolved until CPZ are introduced on every street in Leyton.

As for pricing, the CPZ scheme being scrapped is not an option because of the greed and incompetence of the council… Redbridge would be a good example to follow.
I live on Leyton Park Road, due to the proximity of my house to Leyton Station, I have the same issue. Commuters have the same right to park outside our houses however it’s at a cost of total disregard to residents convenience, causing at best nowhere to park (as surrounding rounds have CPZ) and at worst conflict between neighbours. Displacements only started to occur once the neighbouring roads had CPZ introduced and the issue will not be resolved until CPZ are introduced on every street in Leyton. As for pricing, the CPZ scheme being scrapped is not an option because of the greed and incompetence of the council… Redbridge would be a good example to follow. Saqib67
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Obstinate says...

And now you demonstrate that you really do not understand the problem:

"You can park somewhere, away from your house and then walk back to your house, it is as simple as that."

No I can't, because we are surrounded by CPZs and can't park there. That is why I said that it's not about parking outside your house, it's about not being able to park at all. Please do try to read things and give understanding a go.

"Maybe you could do like others have done and vote for a CPZ and push the problem further afield."

Why should I pay yet another 'tax' to solve a problem that has been created by allowing CPZs in the first place?

"You can move it is too much to bear also?"

I have purchased my house. Why should I go to the expense of moving just because of a flawed parking policy. What an utterly stupid suggestion, but then just what I would expect from you.

"The reality is this. Parking is a major problem in this and many other boroughs. If you go over to Hackney and Victoria Park, you have to pay to park there also. The situation can only get worse. It would be better to make plans now for the future"

CPZs are not solving these problems, they are just causing more paperwork, inconvenience and expense for people.

Right, well I've got better things to do on my day off than argue with a trolling idiot on a local news site so I'm off out for the rest of the day. If there's nobody else around I'm sure that you can amuse yourself by talking to your various incarnations and agreeing with yourself Cornbeefur.
And now you demonstrate that you really do not understand the problem: "You can park somewhere, away from your house and then walk back to your house, it is as simple as that." No I can't, because we are surrounded by CPZs and can't park there. That is why I said that it's not about parking outside your house, it's about not being able to park at all. Please do try to read things and give understanding a go. "Maybe you could do like others have done and vote for a CPZ and push the problem further afield." Why should I pay yet another 'tax' to solve a problem that has been created by allowing CPZs in the first place? "You can move it is too much to bear also?" I have purchased my house. Why should I go to the expense of moving just because of a flawed parking policy. What an utterly stupid suggestion, but then just what I would expect from you. "The reality is this. Parking is a major problem in this and many other boroughs. If you go over to Hackney and Victoria Park, you have to pay to park there also. The situation can only get worse. It would be better to make plans now for the future" CPZs are not solving these problems, they are just causing more paperwork, inconvenience and expense for people. Right, well I've got better things to do on my day off than argue with a trolling idiot on a local news site so I'm off out for the rest of the day. If there's nobody else around I'm sure that you can amuse yourself by talking to your various incarnations and agreeing with yourself Cornbeefur. Obstinate
  • Score: 8

12:34pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Little_Australian says...

"Mr Patel, 43, approached local Labour councillors for help but was told to wait until after the elections next year."

That is absolutely disgraceful behaviour from our elected representatives. The invidious involved should be named and shamed and taken to task for not putting their casework as their top priority.

I guess you get the councillors you vote for.
"Mr Patel, 43, approached local Labour councillors for help but was told to wait until after the elections next year." That is absolutely disgraceful behaviour from our elected representatives. The invidious involved should be named and shamed and taken to task for not putting their casework as their top priority. I guess you get the councillors you vote for. Little_Australian
  • Score: 14

1:12pm Fri 25 Jul 14

the dame says...

The thinking above appears to be very insular. My concern in regard to permits is for the local businesses who are already struggling. A business permit for one year would cost £390. Shopkeepers in Francis Road would be hit very badly. You also have the problem of visitors' passes. Why should you have the worry of always having a visitors' pass should someone come and visit you. No, remove all CPZ areas and car owners, take your chance with the others.
The thinking above appears to be very insular. My concern in regard to permits is for the local businesses who are already struggling. A business permit for one year would cost £390. Shopkeepers in Francis Road would be hit very badly. You also have the problem of visitors' passes. Why should you have the worry of always having a visitors' pass should someone come and visit you. No, remove all CPZ areas and car owners, take your chance with the others. the dame
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Fri 25 Jul 14

NorthEast17 says...

Points taken but I think CPZ's are not going away anytime soon. The argument for abolishing them has been lost everywhere so it's just delaying the inevitable. A few people have to have cars I appreciate but for many of us in London they are a privilege, which should cost. You buy a book of visitor permits so you always have one to hand, then you no longer have loads of commuters or tightwads parking in your street.
Points taken but I think CPZ's are not going away anytime soon. The argument for abolishing them has been lost everywhere so it's just delaying the inevitable. A few people have to have cars I appreciate but for many of us in London they are a privilege, which should cost. You buy a book of visitor permits so you always have one to hand, then you no longer have loads of commuters or tightwads parking in your street. NorthEast17
  • Score: 3

3:16pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

Obstinate wrote:
And now you demonstrate that you really do not understand the problem:

"You can park somewhere, away from your house and then walk back to your house, it is as simple as that."

No I can't, because we are surrounded by CPZs and can't park there. That is why I said that it's not about parking outside your house, it's about not being able to park at all. Please do try to read things and give understanding a go.

"Maybe you could do like others have done and vote for a CPZ and push the problem further afield."

Why should I pay yet another 'tax' to solve a problem that has been created by allowing CPZs in the first place?

"You can move it is too much to bear also?"

I have purchased my house. Why should I go to the expense of moving just because of a flawed parking policy. What an utterly stupid suggestion, but then just what I would expect from you.

"The reality is this. Parking is a major problem in this and many other boroughs. If you go over to Hackney and Victoria Park, you have to pay to park there also. The situation can only get worse. It would be better to make plans now for the future"

CPZs are not solving these problems, they are just causing more paperwork, inconvenience and expense for people.

Right, well I've got better things to do on my day off than argue with a trolling idiot on a local news site so I'm off out for the rest of the day. If there's nobody else around I'm sure that you can amuse yourself by talking to your various incarnations and agreeing with yourself Cornbeefur.
Typical, resort to name calling because you have no argument.

You should perhaps address your obstinate stance, get rid of your car, hire a garage or park further East and get the tube back to Leyton. CPZs are not going away, the problem will only get worse.

I have exactly the same problem with parking but have access to a garage, cycle around most days and use my car sparingly. There is a CPZ here also which works well incidentally.
[quote][p][bold]Obstinate[/bold] wrote: And now you demonstrate that you really do not understand the problem: "You can park somewhere, away from your house and then walk back to your house, it is as simple as that." No I can't, because we are surrounded by CPZs and can't park there. That is why I said that it's not about parking outside your house, it's about not being able to park at all. Please do try to read things and give understanding a go. "Maybe you could do like others have done and vote for a CPZ and push the problem further afield." Why should I pay yet another 'tax' to solve a problem that has been created by allowing CPZs in the first place? "You can move it is too much to bear also?" I have purchased my house. Why should I go to the expense of moving just because of a flawed parking policy. What an utterly stupid suggestion, but then just what I would expect from you. "The reality is this. Parking is a major problem in this and many other boroughs. If you go over to Hackney and Victoria Park, you have to pay to park there also. The situation can only get worse. It would be better to make plans now for the future" CPZs are not solving these problems, they are just causing more paperwork, inconvenience and expense for people. Right, well I've got better things to do on my day off than argue with a trolling idiot on a local news site so I'm off out for the rest of the day. If there's nobody else around I'm sure that you can amuse yourself by talking to your various incarnations and agreeing with yourself Cornbeefur.[/p][/quote]Typical, resort to name calling because you have no argument. You should perhaps address your obstinate stance, get rid of your car, hire a garage or park further East and get the tube back to Leyton. CPZs are not going away, the problem will only get worse. I have exactly the same problem with parking but have access to a garage, cycle around most days and use my car sparingly. There is a CPZ here also which works well incidentally. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -7

3:17pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ChazFinch says...

I've always suspected that the zones on the tube exacerbate the parking problems around these stations for example why pay £2,288 per year for anywhere past Loughton to zone 1 when you can drive down the road for 20 mins and only pay £1,472?
You could insure your car with the money saved.
I've always suspected that the zones on the tube exacerbate the parking problems around these stations for example why pay £2,288 per year for anywhere past Loughton to zone 1 when you can drive down the road for 20 mins and only pay £1,472? You could insure your car with the money saved. ChazFinch
  • Score: 9

3:22pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ChazFinch says...

Of course those prices above are for an annual season ticket the same saving for someone buying weekly tickets is about £980 a year allowing for a few weeks holiday.
Of course those prices above are for an annual season ticket the same saving for someone buying weekly tickets is about £980 a year allowing for a few weeks holiday. ChazFinch
  • Score: 6

6:49pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Keefie says...

A 'first car' permit in Redbridge costs £45 a year. They're not free as reported above.
A 'first car' permit in Redbridge costs £45 a year. They're not free as reported above. Keefie
  • Score: 5

8:27pm Fri 25 Jul 14

BelieveBJ says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.
What planet do you live on???
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on??? BelieveBJ
  • Score: 0

9:05pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

BelieveBJ wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.
What planet do you live on???
It must be Zob which must be the Planet of Reality.
[quote][p][bold]BelieveBJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Public transport or cycle. People have no 'right' to park outside their house any more than anyone with an Mot, car insurance and Road Tax.[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on???[/p][/quote]It must be Zob which must be the Planet of Reality. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -8

10:37am Sun 27 Jul 14

Keefie says...

Villagecranberry is correct.

A CPZ residents permit only confers the right to park in the zone. Not the right to park outside your house or preferred street.
Villagecranberry is correct. A CPZ residents permit only confers the right to park in the zone. Not the right to park outside your house or preferred street. Keefie
  • Score: 5

6:07pm Sun 27 Jul 14

stickmanny says...

CPZs everywhere please.

Car ownership discouraged (as it should be), commuters put off, no net loss to local business.
CPZs everywhere please. Car ownership discouraged (as it should be), commuters put off, no net loss to local business. stickmanny
  • Score: -2

7:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

*PATZ* says...

Nice to read all the comments, both positive and negative. Lots of valid points which I have tried to clarify below:

Villagecranberry states people have no 'right' to park outside their house, I agree. I also agree with Saqib67 in that commuters have the same right to park outside our houses. However, as Obstinate correctly pointed out, the residents are not demanding the privilege of parking outside their home, it’s the frustration of having to park several blocks away and then having to walk back home, often with children or some form of shopping that is the issue.

Most residents do not put bins out regularly but only when they are expecting a delivery of goods or require space for a skip etc. Currently there are NO parking space during weekdays. Even as one local nurse/carer told me there is a frustration at the lack of parking, which prevents them seeing their elderly patients on time. Also it is not easy to get a disabled bay; one parent of a 14yr old disabled child was refused on the basis the bays are only issued to disabled drivers, go figure.

Jonny Mash, I have lived in Leyton for 33 years and parking has never been an issue. It has become worse due to the introduction of CPZ in neighbouring roads. I share Chaz finch view that commuters are now starting to travel from afar to save money on travel costs and parking which is adding to this pressure. The value of my property is irrelevant, as I intend to remain in Leyton and as Obstinate rightly points out, why should residents move due to a flawed parking policy, are you suggesting we do not have the right to work with our local council to resolve it??

As most of you have agreed the current form of CPZs are not fit for purpose but simply moving the problem further afield, it does little to eradicate the root cause. If every council adopted this approach there would be CPZ on every road in London.

The council stance is we are giving you two options only: take it as it is or leave it. But in order to introduce CPZ you need a majority of residents in favour, which sadly is also an issue. Most residents would prefer some form of control but prefer to have a choice of options as most are unwilling to pay the level of charges (1st vehicle permit can be as much as £120 with an additional £42 to £210 for a second vehicle).
We have to accept not everyone can afford to pay for permits and as a daughter of one elderly resident pointed out, is it socially acceptable to charge children for seeing and caring for their parents?

So it’s been a challenge and so far after countless attempts to seek resolution there is no light at the end of the tunnel (no pun intended!). I have sent in suggestions to the local Labour Councillors which I was told were sensible alternatives and would be considered after the elections, I have not heard back since. All I wanted to do was highlight the fact by implementing CPZ on other roads the council failed to identify the impact this would have on residents living locally and that by continuing to ignore us they are failing in their proactive duty to demonstrate an understanding in relation to the people who are being disadvantaged by their circumstances.
Nice to read all the comments, both positive and negative. Lots of valid points which I have tried to clarify below: Villagecranberry states people have no 'right' to park outside their house, I agree. I also agree with Saqib67 in that commuters have the same right to park outside our houses. However, as Obstinate correctly pointed out, the residents are not demanding the privilege of parking outside their home, it’s the frustration of having to park several blocks away and then having to walk back home, often with children or some form of shopping that is the issue. Most residents do not put bins out regularly but only when they are expecting a delivery of goods or require space for a skip etc. Currently there are NO parking space during weekdays. Even as one local nurse/carer told me there is a frustration at the lack of parking, which prevents them seeing their elderly patients on time. Also it is not easy to get a disabled bay; one parent of a 14yr old disabled child was refused on the basis the bays are only issued to disabled drivers, go figure. Jonny Mash, I have lived in Leyton for 33 years and parking has never been an issue. It has become worse due to the introduction of CPZ in neighbouring roads. I share Chaz finch view that commuters are now starting to travel from afar to save money on travel costs and parking which is adding to this pressure. The value of my property is irrelevant, as I intend to remain in Leyton and as Obstinate rightly points out, why should residents move due to a flawed parking policy, are you suggesting we do not have the right to work with our local council to resolve it?? As most of you have agreed the current form of CPZs are not fit for purpose but simply moving the problem further afield, it does little to eradicate the root cause. If every council adopted this approach there would be CPZ on every road in London. The council stance is we are giving you two options only: take it as it is or leave it. But in order to introduce CPZ you need a majority of residents in favour, which sadly is also an issue. Most residents would prefer some form of control but prefer to have a choice of options as most are unwilling to pay the level of charges (1st vehicle permit can be as much as £120 with an additional £42 to £210 for a second vehicle). We have to accept not everyone can afford to pay for permits and as a daughter of one elderly resident pointed out, is it socially acceptable to charge children for seeing and caring for their parents? So it’s been a challenge and so far after countless attempts to seek resolution there is no light at the end of the tunnel (no pun intended!). I have sent in suggestions to the local Labour Councillors which I was told were sensible alternatives and would be considered after the elections, I have not heard back since. All I wanted to do was highlight the fact by implementing CPZ on other roads the council failed to identify the impact this would have on residents living locally and that by continuing to ignore us they are failing in their proactive duty to demonstrate an understanding in relation to the people who are being disadvantaged by their circumstances. *PATZ*
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Mon 28 Jul 14

HottRedMan says...

As in the stupidness that went on Victoria Park Rd extending the CPZ this year All the way to the end. Well the local businesses there have lost my custom.
I no longer visit the post office nor the shops around their when posting my ebay sales. Would go to another post office instead. end result is the businesses on that road would have lost around £20-30 from me in a week.
When I drive down the road, the bottom half of it is empty, many of the now resident permit bays has no cars for virtually the whole day, common sense gone out of the window. I would expect also a few businesses their close down or relocate.
As in the stupidness that went on Victoria Park Rd extending the CPZ this year All the way to the end. Well the local businesses there have lost my custom. I no longer visit the post office nor the shops around their when posting my ebay sales. Would go to another post office instead. end result is the businesses on that road would have lost around £20-30 from me in a week. When I drive down the road, the bottom half of it is empty, many of the now resident permit bays has no cars for virtually the whole day, common sense gone out of the window. I would expect also a few businesses their close down or relocate. HottRedMan
  • Score: 4

9:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Villagecranberry says...

HottRedMan wrote:
As in the stupidness that went on Victoria Park Rd extending the CPZ this year All the way to the end. Well the local businesses there have lost my custom.
I no longer visit the post office nor the shops around their when posting my ebay sales. Would go to another post office instead. end result is the businesses on that road would have lost around £20-30 from me in a week.
When I drive down the road, the bottom half of it is empty, many of the now resident permit bays has no cars for virtually the whole day, common sense gone out of the window. I would expect also a few businesses their close down or relocate.
Ebay sales? Yes they lose money because nobody can get to the counter because of people like you with your silly little parcels hogging the queue with the biggest legalised black market operation.
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: As in the stupidness that went on Victoria Park Rd extending the CPZ this year All the way to the end. Well the local businesses there have lost my custom. I no longer visit the post office nor the shops around their when posting my ebay sales. Would go to another post office instead. end result is the businesses on that road would have lost around £20-30 from me in a week. When I drive down the road, the bottom half of it is empty, many of the now resident permit bays has no cars for virtually the whole day, common sense gone out of the window. I would expect also a few businesses their close down or relocate.[/p][/quote]Ebay sales? Yes they lose money because nobody can get to the counter because of people like you with your silly little parcels hogging the queue with the biggest legalised black market operation. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -8

4:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

NorthcoterE17 says...

so wait, it wasn't a problem until the council created a problem? sounds about right...
so wait, it wasn't a problem until the council created a problem? sounds about right... NorthcoterE17
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

*PATZ* says...

NorthcoterE17 wrote:
so wait, it wasn't a problem until the council created a problem? sounds about right...
Exactly Northcoter, and now we are suffering as a consequence
[quote][p][bold]NorthcoterE17[/bold] wrote: so wait, it wasn't a problem until the council created a problem? sounds about right...[/p][/quote]Exactly Northcoter, and now we are suffering as a consequence *PATZ*
  • Score: 2

7:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Affordable housing for all. says...

So Shazad Mohammed, 20, says “I’ve driven round three or four times or had to park my car far away and walk home.” Oh dear, how dreadful. Why doesn't he use public transport or a bike? Just how lazy and inconsiderate is he? There is absolutely no reason why an able bodied 20 year living in Leyton should need a car. His parents should be ashamed of him.
So Shazad Mohammed, 20, says “I’ve driven round three or four times or had to park my car far away and walk home.” Oh dear, how dreadful. Why doesn't he use public transport or a bike? Just how lazy and inconsiderate is he? There is absolutely no reason why an able bodied 20 year living in Leyton should need a car. His parents should be ashamed of him. Affordable housing for all.
  • Score: -6

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