A group of travellers have moved onto playing fields in Loughton after leaving a nearby site.

A group of travellers have moved on to a recreation ground after leaving a nearby site

A group of travellers have moved on to a recreation ground after leaving a nearby site

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A group of travellers gained access to playing fields last night having moved from another site nearby earlier in the day.

Police reinforcements were called at around 4pm to assist bailiffs issuing a notice to a large group of travellers after they moved onto land at Debden House in Debden Green.

Officers were called in to assist with negotiations after the landowner raised concern that the group would not leave willingly.

The travellers, a group with about seven caravans and cars, left the site at around 7pm yesterday.

However, they relocated to the playing fields off Cranleigh Gardens in Loughton at around 7.30pm.

Police confirm it is the same group that were moved from Debden Green earlier in the day and are currently at the site to monitor the situation.

Residents of Cranleigh Gardens, Stan and Eve Young, both 70, said: "We're upset with the police, they wouldn't let the residents down here put a lock on the gate and when someone did it, they took it off and said their hands were tied. We feel very vunerable."

Neighbour Daniel Kent, 37, said: "I'm disgusted in the situation. I had my wife ringing me telling me what was going on. Five caravans went through, the police left and then more travellers arrived 20 minutes later.

"If they can get access to the playing field so easily, whats to stop them coming back in six months, I'm worried this is going to be a reacurring problem unless the police do something."

Loughton Roding ward councillor Stephen Murray, said: “The problem from resident’s point of view is that no one else drives cars on there and they ask the travellers to do the same.

“It’s a busy recreation ground and therefore not suitable for travellers to be on.

“At the moment there doesn’t seem to be any issues, but I expect Loughton Town Council and Epping Forest District Council to put the necessary action to legally remove the group within 24 to 36 hours.”

Cllr Murray said he asked police to block the entrance to the site, which he reports had a broken padlock, with their cars to prevent further access, but police refused.

A police spokeswoman said: “Because the police are not the landowners they cannot block the entrance.

“It would prevent those on the site from vacating and it is the landowner’s responsibility to secure the site.”

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10:43am Fri 8 Aug 14

villager1 says...

so the police assisted the travellers by refusing to stop them breaking the law on a spurious excuse that they do not own the site - surely they are there to protect people land and property and to keep the peace. As there would not have been any other work vans on the fields at this time of night their excuse is very lame. If I was on the council I would be asking serious questions of the chief of police and the failure of the police to enforce the law by a sensible tactic of blocking access. The line of least resistance and jobs' worth no doubt - who pays their wages?
so the police assisted the travellers by refusing to stop them breaking the law on a spurious excuse that they do not own the site - surely they are there to protect people land and property and to keep the peace. As there would not have been any other work vans on the fields at this time of night their excuse is very lame. If I was on the council I would be asking serious questions of the chief of police and the failure of the police to enforce the law by a sensible tactic of blocking access. The line of least resistance and jobs' worth no doubt - who pays their wages? villager1
  • Score: 21

10:52am Fri 8 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

I have been assured by the District Council and the Town Council that the necessary steps are being taken today to ensure their departure as soon as possible - as a well used and loved recreation ground is not the right place for caravans and associated cars. Local residents would not dream of parking up their cars on this public land.

My other concern is the reports I have received from local residents that the police appeared to escort this group onto the recreation ground and as you have correctly reported the police refusal to block with a patrol car the entrance as this incursion was taking place.

With other councillors I will subsequently be pursuing this aspect of the situation with the police.

Loughton Roding Ward Independent District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.
I have been assured by the District Council and the Town Council that the necessary steps are being taken today to ensure their departure as soon as possible - as a well used and loved recreation ground is not the right place for caravans and associated cars. Local residents would not dream of parking up their cars on this public land. My other concern is the reports I have received from local residents that the police appeared to escort this group onto the recreation ground and as you have correctly reported the police refusal to block with a patrol car the entrance as this incursion was taking place. With other councillors I will subsequently be pursuing this aspect of the situation with the police. Loughton Roding Ward Independent District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray. Stephen Murray
  • Score: 29

10:58am Fri 8 Aug 14

villager1 says...

Thank you Cllr Murray for all your input in this - no doubt the fields will look like a bomb site within a couple of days and cost the council a fortune to clean up - this is also what I heard from residents that the police was actively assisting them on the recreation ground. No doubt they will then move on to another site - there ought to be a law of 2 strikes and we crush your caravan - they do that to motorbikes of joy riders!
Thank you Cllr Murray for all your input in this - no doubt the fields will look like a bomb site within a couple of days and cost the council a fortune to clean up - this is also what I heard from residents that the police was actively assisting them on the recreation ground. No doubt they will then move on to another site - there ought to be a law of 2 strikes and we crush your caravan - they do that to motorbikes of joy riders! villager1
  • Score: 26

11:15am Fri 8 Aug 14

fjl says...

The police where there watching when they started cutting through the padlock that was securing the gate. I was amazed that they did not stop them at this point. Surely that counts as criminal damage. They really just seemed to want to assist them with gaining access and then disappear as quickly as possible to be honest.
The police where there watching when they started cutting through the padlock that was securing the gate. I was amazed that they did not stop them at this point. Surely that counts as criminal damage. They really just seemed to want to assist them with gaining access and then disappear as quickly as possible to be honest. fjl
  • Score: 25

11:50am Fri 8 Aug 14

DaveInTheForest says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
I have been assured by the District Council and the Town Council that the necessary steps are being taken today to ensure their departure as soon as possible - as a well used and loved recreation ground is not the right place for caravans and associated cars. Local residents would not dream of parking up their cars on this public land.

My other concern is the reports I have received from local residents that the police appeared to escort this group onto the recreation ground and as you have correctly reported the police refusal to block with a patrol car the entrance as this incursion was taking place.

With other councillors I will subsequently be pursuing this aspect of the situation with the police.

Loughton Roding Ward Independent District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.
the rozzers are useless at doing what they should be doing. They are too concerned about the travellers human rights than doing what they should be doing. I assume they are checking whether all the vehicles are roadworthy, taxed and insured? Probably not. It's about time people started taking the law into their own hands on these matters, rather than waiting for the useless coppers.

However, it would also be nice if certain independent councillors stood up for residents when issues of late night licences for certain nightclubs come up. The smashed windows, vomit, violence and drug dealing are just as much a concern to local residents.
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: I have been assured by the District Council and the Town Council that the necessary steps are being taken today to ensure their departure as soon as possible - as a well used and loved recreation ground is not the right place for caravans and associated cars. Local residents would not dream of parking up their cars on this public land. My other concern is the reports I have received from local residents that the police appeared to escort this group onto the recreation ground and as you have correctly reported the police refusal to block with a patrol car the entrance as this incursion was taking place. With other councillors I will subsequently be pursuing this aspect of the situation with the police. Loughton Roding Ward Independent District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.[/p][/quote]the rozzers are useless at doing what they should be doing. They are too concerned about the travellers human rights than doing what they should be doing. I assume they are checking whether all the vehicles are roadworthy, taxed and insured? Probably not. It's about time people started taking the law into their own hands on these matters, rather than waiting for the useless coppers. However, it would also be nice if certain independent councillors stood up for residents when issues of late night licences for certain nightclubs come up. The smashed windows, vomit, violence and drug dealing are just as much a concern to local residents. DaveInTheForest
  • Score: -6

2:18pm Fri 8 Aug 14

G_Whiz says...

Just why are the Police neglecting the tax-payer so much lately?

They either don't want to cope or cannot cope - one way or another they should admit it and force the government to support us, and them more!

We should all make a complaint and also report criminal damage to the lock. As the police were there they should be held responsable.
Just why are the Police neglecting the tax-payer so much lately? They either don't want to cope or cannot cope - one way or another they should admit it and force the government to support us, and them more! We should all make a complaint and also report criminal damage to the lock. As the police were there they should be held responsable. G_Whiz
  • Score: 20

3:41pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

The police are terrified of their own shadow these days and yet will gladly haul in anyone who remotely become offensive towards these people who have no regards for anyone or their property.

Of course, then again, they have achieved 'acceptability' through appearing on those appalling TV prongs ' My big fat gypsy wedding ' and the wife of the Speaker of the Commons ingratiating herself with the convicted gypsy crook. Sadly, the money grabbing TV companies did not show the reality and devastation and carnage they leave behind when they vacate these sites they squat on.
The police are terrified of their own shadow these days and yet will gladly haul in anyone who remotely become offensive towards these people who have no regards for anyone or their property. Of course, then again, they have achieved 'acceptability' through appearing on those appalling TV prongs ' My big fat gypsy wedding ' and the wife of the Speaker of the Commons ingratiating herself with the convicted gypsy crook. Sadly, the money grabbing TV companies did not show the reality and devastation and carnage they leave behind when they vacate these sites they squat on. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 16

6:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Just returned from early morning run. No increase in the number of caravans , still 7 with associated cars and vans between the river footpath and the running track.
Town Council is taking the necessary legal steps to resolve the issue as soon as possible.
Ran right past using the footpath and can report that the area is being respected at the moment.
I know that the town council staff will do their very best to ensure that this is how it is left when the travellers are legally made to leave.

Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor - Stephen Murray
Just returned from early morning run. No increase in the number of caravans , still 7 with associated cars and vans between the river footpath and the running track. Town Council is taking the necessary legal steps to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Ran right past using the footpath and can report that the area is being respected at the moment. I know that the town council staff will do their very best to ensure that this is how it is left when the travellers are legally made to leave. Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor - Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 2

7:02am Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded.

Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action.

Councillor Stephen Murray
Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded. Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action. Councillor Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 3

9:07am Sat 9 Aug 14

fjl says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded.

Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action.

Councillor Stephen Murray
They have also been stopping in the car park at the bottom of Cranleigh Gardens as they make their way through and taking bags of rubbish out of their boots and leaving there. The chap in the Loughton town council van collected some yesterday and the residents have also removed some
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded. Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action. Councillor Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]They have also been stopping in the car park at the bottom of Cranleigh Gardens as they make their way through and taking bags of rubbish out of their boots and leaving there. The chap in the Loughton town council van collected some yesterday and the residents have also removed some fjl
  • Score: 11

1:42pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Maps62 says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded.

Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action.

Councillor Stephen Murray
The Environment agency has a 24 hour hotline for such incidents of flytipping?
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded. Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action. Councillor Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]The Environment agency has a 24 hour hotline for such incidents of flytipping? Maps62
  • Score: 6

2:11pm Sat 9 Aug 14

villager1 says...

travellers on the fields, dumping in river, coincidence?
travellers on the fields, dumping in river, coincidence? villager1
  • Score: 13

3:16pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Maps62 wrote:
Stephen Murray wrote:
Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded.

Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action.

Councillor Stephen Murray
The Environment agency has a 24 hour hotline for such incidents of flytipping?
Thanks for this information I have just reported it to the Environment Agency (the first to do so according to their records) and they will be dealing with it as it is their responsibility.

Loughton Roding Ward Councillor Stephen Murray
[quote][p][bold]Maps62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded. Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action. Councillor Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]The Environment agency has a 24 hour hotline for such incidents of flytipping?[/p][/quote]Thanks for this information I have just reported it to the Environment Agency (the first to do so according to their records) and they will be dealing with it as it is their responsibility. Loughton Roding Ward Councillor Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 8

4:25pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Environment agency has already sent an inspector out , their assessment is that the dumping does not constitute an immediate risk therefore will be cleared during the coming week.

Councillor Stephen Murray
Environment agency has already sent an inspector out , their assessment is that the dumping does not constitute an immediate risk therefore will be cleared during the coming week. Councillor Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Maps62 says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
Maps62 wrote:
Stephen Murray wrote:
Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded.

Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action.

Councillor Stephen Murray
The Environment agency has a 24 hour hotline for such incidents of flytipping?
Thanks for this information I have just reported it to the Environment Agency (the first to do so according to their records) and they will be dealing with it as it is their responsibility.

Loughton Roding Ward Councillor Stephen Murray
Happy to be of assistance !
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maps62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately just had a serious case of dumping up river from the Charlie Moules bridge reported to me. Been to have a look , very substantial dumping - a fridge , a sofa , guttering etc in the river. Water flow is seriously impeded. Have reported this to the Town Council and the Essex Wildlife Trust for their action. Councillor Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]The Environment agency has a 24 hour hotline for such incidents of flytipping?[/p][/quote]Thanks for this information I have just reported it to the Environment Agency (the first to do so according to their records) and they will be dealing with it as it is their responsibility. Loughton Roding Ward Councillor Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]Happy to be of assistance ! Maps62
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Maps62 says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
Environment agency has already sent an inspector out , their assessment is that the dumping does not constitute an immediate risk therefore will be cleared during the coming week.

Councillor Stephen Murray
I'm surprised they don't see a risk with the weather forecast for tomorrow....
But well done to them coming out so quickly !
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: Environment agency has already sent an inspector out , their assessment is that the dumping does not constitute an immediate risk therefore will be cleared during the coming week. Councillor Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]I'm surprised they don't see a risk with the weather forecast for tomorrow.... But well done to them coming out so quickly ! Maps62
  • Score: 7

6:16pm Sat 9 Aug 14

fjl says...

Not sure why/what happened but they have all just left the site.
Not sure why/what happened but they have all just left the site. fjl
  • Score: 10

11:23pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Been out all evening but can confirm that travellers left at about 6.15 pm.

I have just checked gate and someone has securely locked it. Will check the recreation ground early tomorrow morning.

Will use any influence I have to get the river Roding and or the area by the track back to its original state asap.

Many thanks to the many residents who have contacted me or kept me posted over the last few hectic days.

Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor Stephen Murray
Been out all evening but can confirm that travellers left at about 6.15 pm. I have just checked gate and someone has securely locked it. Will check the recreation ground early tomorrow morning. Will use any influence I have to get the river Roding and or the area by the track back to its original state asap. Many thanks to the many residents who have contacted me or kept me posted over the last few hectic days. Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 15

6:14am Sun 10 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Have just returned from morning run - the area where the travellers were seems ok (still had to take home four large waste sacks of rubbish).

No additional over night dumping in the river.

In coming days will chase up the environment agency to clear up the river and with other councillors will talk to the police to find out how much and why they seemed to be assisting this incursion onto the recreation ground.

Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor - Stephen Murray
Have just returned from morning run - the area where the travellers were seems ok (still had to take home four large waste sacks of rubbish). No additional over night dumping in the river. In coming days will chase up the environment agency to clear up the river and with other councillors will talk to the police to find out how much and why they seemed to be assisting this incursion onto the recreation ground. Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor - Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 13

8:33am Sun 10 Aug 14

fjl says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
Have just returned from morning run - the area where the travellers were seems ok (still had to take home four large waste sacks of rubbish).

No additional over night dumping in the river.

In coming days will chase up the environment agency to clear up the river and with other councillors will talk to the police to find out how much and why they seemed to be assisting this incursion onto the recreation ground.

Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor - Stephen Murray
Stephen Murray – Thank you so much for all your hard work regarding this. We really do appreciate it. We are lucky that they decided to move on so quickly. It is easy to see from the mess and dumping that occurred from them being there for just two nights why sites become so bad when they stay somewhere for a longer period of time. One thing that would be great for you to discuss with LTC is the security of the site and what can be done to make it harder to gain access in the future. As they left they were all waiving out of their windows and shouting out “See you again next year”
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: Have just returned from morning run - the area where the travellers were seems ok (still had to take home four large waste sacks of rubbish). No additional over night dumping in the river. In coming days will chase up the environment agency to clear up the river and with other councillors will talk to the police to find out how much and why they seemed to be assisting this incursion onto the recreation ground. Independent Loughton Roding Ward Councillor - Stephen Murray[/p][/quote]Stephen Murray – Thank you so much for all your hard work regarding this. We really do appreciate it. We are lucky that they decided to move on so quickly. It is easy to see from the mess and dumping that occurred from them being there for just two nights why sites become so bad when they stay somewhere for a longer period of time. One thing that would be great for you to discuss with LTC is the security of the site and what can be done to make it harder to gain access in the future. As they left they were all waiving out of their windows and shouting out “See you again next year” fjl
  • Score: 14

9:24am Sun 10 Aug 14

Maps62 says...

I wonder if they saw the Environment Agency turn up - who I believe have the power to seize vehicles suspected of being involved in fly tipping- and thought it might be best to move on......
Whatever it was, I hope they don't come back !
I wonder if they saw the Environment Agency turn up - who I believe have the power to seize vehicles suspected of being involved in fly tipping- and thought it might be best to move on...... Whatever it was, I hope they don't come back ! Maps62
  • Score: 6

9:46am Sun 10 Aug 14

villager1 says...

They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it. villager1
  • Score: 4

9:54am Sun 10 Aug 14

roundthetwist says...

villager1 wrote:
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?
[quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then? roundthetwist
  • Score: -6

11:12am Sun 10 Aug 14

Howard Wolowitz says...

roundthetwist wrote:
villager1 wrote:
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?
Arrest them for breaking the law.

Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.
[quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?[/p][/quote]Arrest them for breaking the law. Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave. Howard Wolowitz
  • Score: 6

11:34am Sun 10 Aug 14

roundthetwist says...

Howard Wolowitz wrote:
roundthetwist wrote:
villager1 wrote:
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?
Arrest them for breaking the law.

Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.
Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Wolowitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?[/p][/quote]Arrest them for breaking the law. Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field. roundthetwist
  • Score: -5

11:55am Sun 10 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

roundthetwist wrote:
Howard Wolowitz wrote:
roundthetwist wrote:
villager1 wrote:
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?
Arrest them for breaking the law.

Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.
Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.
This is not a private playing field. The freehold is owned by the Epping Forest District Council and the Loughton Town Council manage the very large part of it which is within the parish of Loughton on a very long term lease - you cannot get much more public that that.


Loughton Roding Ward District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.
[quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Wolowitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?[/p][/quote]Arrest them for breaking the law. Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.[/p][/quote]This is not a private playing field. The freehold is owned by the Epping Forest District Council and the Loughton Town Council manage the very large part of it which is within the parish of Loughton on a very long term lease - you cannot get much more public that that. Loughton Roding Ward District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray. Stephen Murray
  • Score: 13

12:36pm Sun 10 Aug 14

roundthetwist says...

Stephen Murray wrote:
roundthetwist wrote:
Howard Wolowitz wrote:
roundthetwist wrote:
villager1 wrote:
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?
Arrest them for breaking the law.

Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.
Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.
This is not a private playing field. The freehold is owned by the Epping Forest District Council and the Loughton Town Council manage the very large part of it which is within the parish of Loughton on a very long term lease - you cannot get much more public that that.


Loughton Roding Ward District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.
Thanks Stephen,

The point here is that the post above stated that the Police were the biggest villains here. Are there any Epping Forest By-Laws which give the Police the power of arrest and the removal of vehicles from the travellers?
[quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Wolowitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?[/p][/quote]Arrest them for breaking the law. Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.[/p][/quote]This is not a private playing field. The freehold is owned by the Epping Forest District Council and the Loughton Town Council manage the very large part of it which is within the parish of Loughton on a very long term lease - you cannot get much more public that that. Loughton Roding Ward District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.[/p][/quote]Thanks Stephen, The point here is that the post above stated that the Police were the biggest villains here. Are there any Epping Forest By-Laws which give the Police the power of arrest and the removal of vehicles from the travellers? roundthetwist
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Sun 10 Aug 14

villager1 says...

This is also what the police could have done to prevent this happening - I agree that once they are on the site there is little the police can do.
but the whole point here is that they could have prevented this but actively assisted the travellers.

Ss people said they could have parked their cars across the gates, placed themselves across the gates - the travellers would not have gone across. Also I am informed that they watched as the travellers cut the lock off - isn't that criminal damage and could they not have arrested them for that? anyway when did the police stop protecting private property (and this is public property) ?

This is all common sense approach which the police would have used a few years ago. The police is there to prevent unlawful things happening and protect public property as well as dealing with the aftermath. Distinct lack of intelligence on their part and too scared or can't be bothered to do anything. If the police have instructions on how to deal (or not to deal in this case) with such incidents then we need to be told. Someone must have made those decisions - who was it and was is the process they are told to follow?
These are the questions that Cllr Murray needs to ask.
This is also what the police could have done to prevent this happening - I agree that once they are on the site there is little the police can do. but the whole point here is that they could have prevented this but actively assisted the travellers. Ss people said they could have parked their cars across the gates, placed themselves across the gates - the travellers would not have gone across. Also I am informed that they watched as the travellers cut the lock off - isn't that criminal damage and could they not have arrested them for that? anyway when did the police stop protecting private property (and this is public property) ? This is all common sense approach which the police would have used a few years ago. The police is there to prevent unlawful things happening and protect public property as well as dealing with the aftermath. Distinct lack of intelligence on their part and too scared or can't be bothered to do anything. If the police have instructions on how to deal (or not to deal in this case) with such incidents then we need to be told. Someone must have made those decisions - who was it and was is the process they are told to follow? These are the questions that Cllr Murray needs to ask. villager1
  • Score: 6

12:56pm Sun 10 Aug 14

fjl says...

roundthetwist wrote:
Stephen Murray wrote:
roundthetwist wrote:
Howard Wolowitz wrote:
roundthetwist wrote:
villager1 wrote:
They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.
What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?
Arrest them for breaking the law.

Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.
Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.
This is not a private playing field. The freehold is owned by the Epping Forest District Council and the Loughton Town Council manage the very large part of it which is within the parish of Loughton on a very long term lease - you cannot get much more public that that.


Loughton Roding Ward District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.
Thanks Stephen,

The point here is that the post above stated that the Police were the biggest villains here. Are there any Epping Forest By-Laws which give the Police the power of arrest and the removal of vehicles from the travellers?
Probably not. The point that a lot of people are trying to make goes back to when the incursion first took place. The police witnessed the criminal damage being caused when they broke the gate, ignored it and escorted them onto the land and then left.
[quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Wolowitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roundthetwist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]villager1[/bold] wrote: They probably also heard that they risked getting flooded if the river rose. I think the greatest villains in this saga were the police - the behaviour of the travellers is predictable that is what they do but what on earth do we pay the police for? they are here to protect property private and public and not to watch when criminal damage is being done. I've just seen an email from them thanking the community for their involvement in this, well this certainly was not their greatest moment. Can we find out what is the "official" position of the police in assisting travellers and clarify what we expect them to do and make sure they do it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the Police could have done to resolve this quicker then?[/p][/quote]Arrest them for breaking the law. Take their vehicles which are illegally parked. Make them clear up the field before they leave.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately its a private playing field so the police did not have powers of arrest and likewise the police are unable to take vehicles that are parked on a playing field.[/p][/quote]This is not a private playing field. The freehold is owned by the Epping Forest District Council and the Loughton Town Council manage the very large part of it which is within the parish of Loughton on a very long term lease - you cannot get much more public that that. Loughton Roding Ward District and Town Councillor Stephen Murray.[/p][/quote]Thanks Stephen, The point here is that the post above stated that the Police were the biggest villains here. Are there any Epping Forest By-Laws which give the Police the power of arrest and the removal of vehicles from the travellers?[/p][/quote]Probably not. The point that a lot of people are trying to make goes back to when the incursion first took place. The police witnessed the criminal damage being caused when they broke the gate, ignored it and escorted them onto the land and then left. fjl
  • Score: 5

4:58pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Janclow says...

my loughton Fly Tipping in riverway ,at crossroads at lights rubbish left on flower beds,leed supporters at the last post loud abusive and swearing.I was in the high road where there was childen young women all being abuse by supporters.no police came there. gypsys on the playing fields, no police help.Yet 2police cars for a 14year old girl spitting on paverment at at the crossroads, people always on moble phones when driveing van stolen 3weeks two arrive at van ower home said could not find where he live no lights at night. break in we are inform now not two ring police but two email them. stephen murray dose all can. I could go, but i think we should all get a councill tax rebate has the council or police are not fit for porpose, if we brought anything it not work we would for our money. Janice Clow(MRS)
my loughton Fly Tipping in riverway ,at crossroads at lights rubbish left on flower beds,leed supporters at the last post loud abusive and swearing.I was in the high road where there was childen young women all being abuse by supporters.no police came there. gypsys on the playing fields, no police help.Yet 2police cars for a 14year old girl spitting on paverment at at the crossroads, people always on moble phones when driveing van stolen 3weeks two arrive at van ower home said could not find where he live no lights at night. break in we are inform now not two ring police but two email them. stephen murray dose all can. I could go, but i think we should all get a councill tax rebate has the council or police are not fit for porpose, if we brought anything it not work we would for our money. Janice Clow(MRS) Janclow
  • Score: -6

6:45pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Janclow says...

Janclow wrote:
my loughton Fly Tipping in riverway ,at crossroads at lights rubbish left on flower beds,leed supporters at the last post loud abusive and swearing.I was in the high road where there was childen young women all being abuse by supporters.no police came there. gypsys on the playing fields, no police help.Yet 2police cars for a 14year old girl spitting on paverment at at the crossroads, people always on moble phones when driveing van stolen 3weeks two arrive at van ower home said could not find where he live no lights at night. break in we are inform now not two ring police but two email them. stephen murray dose all can. I could go, but i think we should all get a councill tax rebate has the council or police are not fit for porpose, if we brought anything it not work we would for our money. Janice Clow(MRS)
thankyou for all your hard work and i would always help janice clow
[quote][p][bold]Janclow[/bold] wrote: my loughton Fly Tipping in riverway ,at crossroads at lights rubbish left on flower beds,leed supporters at the last post loud abusive and swearing.I was in the high road where there was childen young women all being abuse by supporters.no police came there. gypsys on the playing fields, no police help.Yet 2police cars for a 14year old girl spitting on paverment at at the crossroads, people always on moble phones when driveing van stolen 3weeks two arrive at van ower home said could not find where he live no lights at night. break in we are inform now not two ring police but two email them. stephen murray dose all can. I could go, but i think we should all get a councill tax rebate has the council or police are not fit for porpose, if we brought anything it not work we would for our money. Janice Clow(MRS)[/p][/quote]thankyou for all your hard work and i would always help janice clow Janclow
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

Janclow wrote:
Janclow wrote:
my loughton Fly Tipping in riverway ,at crossroads at lights rubbish left on flower beds,leed supporters at the last post loud abusive and swearing.I was in the high road where there was childen young women all being abuse by supporters.no police came there. gypsys on the playing fields, no police help.Yet 2police cars for a 14year old girl spitting on paverment at at the crossroads, people always on moble phones when driveing van stolen 3weeks two arrive at van ower home said could not find where he live no lights at night. break in we are inform now not two ring police but two email them. stephen murray dose all can. I could go, but i think we should all get a councill tax rebate has the council or police are not fit for porpose, if we brought anything it not work we would for our money. Janice Clow(MRS)
thankyou for all your hard work and i would always help janice clow
The police do not think these days, the 'lip service', they do anything to serve themselves, not the public, would any of those officers who had witnessed the invasion allowed such had it happened on their own or their own family's property?

Of course not!
[quote][p][bold]Janclow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janclow[/bold] wrote: my loughton Fly Tipping in riverway ,at crossroads at lights rubbish left on flower beds,leed supporters at the last post loud abusive and swearing.I was in the high road where there was childen young women all being abuse by supporters.no police came there. gypsys on the playing fields, no police help.Yet 2police cars for a 14year old girl spitting on paverment at at the crossroads, people always on moble phones when driveing van stolen 3weeks two arrive at van ower home said could not find where he live no lights at night. break in we are inform now not two ring police but two email them. stephen murray dose all can. I could go, but i think we should all get a councill tax rebate has the council or police are not fit for porpose, if we brought anything it not work we would for our money. Janice Clow(MRS)[/p][/quote]thankyou for all your hard work and i would always help janice clow[/p][/quote]The police do not think these days, the 'lip service', they do anything to serve themselves, not the public, would any of those officers who had witnessed the invasion allowed such had it happened on their own or their own family's property? Of course not! Villagecranberry
  • Score: 0

7:30am Mon 11 Aug 14

Stephen Murray says...

Been out early this morning no sign of dumped sofa , fridge etc in the River Roding. Just had it confirmed from the Town Clerk that the Environment Agency cleared this yesterday morning.

Well done to this agency clearing this rubbish within 20 hours of my reporting it to its emergency hotline on Saturday afternoon.

Councillor Stephen Murray
Been out early this morning no sign of dumped sofa , fridge etc in the River Roding. Just had it confirmed from the Town Clerk that the Environment Agency cleared this yesterday morning. Well done to this agency clearing this rubbish within 20 hours of my reporting it to its emergency hotline on Saturday afternoon. Councillor Stephen Murray Stephen Murray
  • Score: 7

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