Concern over high-density housing proposal in Wanstead and Woodford

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Criticism is growing of a “horrific” proposal to quadruple the density of housing allowed in Wanstead and Woodford.

A panel of councillors met behind closed doors yesterday to debate six options for the Local Development Framework 2015-30.

One of the proposals would see large-scale developments in traditionally suburban “major corridors” in Woodford Green, South Woodford and Wanstead.

This would require significant changes to current planning guidelines for the areas, which would see them treated as town centres to enable a greater density of homes.      

The exact locations of possible development sites have not been specified.

Reacting to the proposal, Geoff Horsnell, chairman of the Wanstead Society, which campaigns to protect green space and protected areas, said: “Just the phrase quadrupling the density is a horrific idea.

“It could be a sympathetic approach and I would need to view the proposal in more detail before saying much more, but I can say that my initial thoughts are shock horror.”

Carlton Terrace Residents Association treasurer, Jacqui Thornton, believes the local infrastructure would struggle to cope.

She said: “The Times recently called Wanstead one of the best places to live in London.

“It is idyllic around here you see the green belt from the high street which is totally unique for miles around.

“We only have one high school, the police station has been shut and parking is already difficult and we do not have the facilities to cope with more developments.

“I’m really worried about the knock-on effect of these developments would have, bring in larger chain stores and damage our small businesses.”

Natalie Howard, 27, of Peel Road, South Woodford, fears the area’s identity could be threatened.

said: “People like it here for the way it is today.

 “There are better ways to spend money on improving the streets of South Woodford and supporting local businesses.

“The diversity of the new and old buildings from before the war is so attractive so we need to retain this areas character.”

Other options being considered include building on existing, unspecified “parcels” of green belt land and developing Oakfield playing fields in Fencepiece Road, Ilford.

Redbridge council said the public was not allowed to attend last night’s meeting as it was a preliminary discussion between councillors. 

A spokeswoman for Redbridge council said: All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the neighbourhood and community service committee and cabinet and will then go out to public consultation.

 “Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation.”

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11:49am Wed 13 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

Typical Labour , planning the repeat disasters of the troublesome tower blocks and eyesores of the 60s that cost millions with a short lifespan.

All behind closed doors, so their skulduggery can not be debated and objected to. Developers must be back flipping through hoops aflame.
Typical Labour , planning the repeat disasters of the troublesome tower blocks and eyesores of the 60s that cost millions with a short lifespan. All behind closed doors, so their skulduggery can not be debated and objected to. Developers must be back flipping through hoops aflame. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 18

12:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MorrisHickey says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Typical Labour , planning the repeat disasters of the troublesome tower blocks and eyesores of the 60s that cost millions with a short lifespan.

All behind closed doors, so their skulduggery can not be debated and objected to. Developers must be back flipping through hoops aflame.
Not very often that I support Villagecranberry. This is one of those rare occasions hen I do.

"Behind closed doors". What price transparency? What do they have to hide?
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour , planning the repeat disasters of the troublesome tower blocks and eyesores of the 60s that cost millions with a short lifespan. All behind closed doors, so their skulduggery can not be debated and objected to. Developers must be back flipping through hoops aflame.[/p][/quote]Not very often that I support Villagecranberry. This is one of those rare occasions hen I do. "Behind closed doors". What price transparency? What do they have to hide? MorrisHickey
  • Score: 8

12:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

RedbridgeCouncil says...

Please see our full response issued to the Wanstead and Woodford Guardian here:

The meeting mentioned is a meeting of the cross-party Local Development Framework and Infrastructure Advisory Panel. This Panel has recently been established by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee, and will continue the work of the Local Development Advisory Panel that was established in the last administration. The Panel isn’t, and wasn’t previously, held in public because it deals with the initial stages of a process. Like many Council proposals, suggestions and ideas need to be discussed and worked out in more detail. The Council has to have a forum in which it can work out and develop its own policies and proposals before they’re made publicly available, and this can’t be done in a public arena. All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. The proposal mentioned in the article is one of a number of potential options being discussed by the panel. Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation. This has always been the process and is no different now.
Please see our full response issued to the Wanstead and Woodford Guardian here: The meeting mentioned is a meeting of the cross-party Local Development Framework and Infrastructure Advisory Panel. This Panel has recently been established by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee, and will continue the work of the Local Development Advisory Panel that was established in the last administration. The Panel isn’t, and wasn’t previously, held in public because it deals with the initial stages of a process. Like many Council proposals, suggestions and ideas need to be discussed and worked out in more detail. The Council has to have a forum in which it can work out and develop its own policies and proposals before they’re made publicly available, and this can’t be done in a public arena. All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. The proposal mentioned in the article is one of a number of potential options being discussed by the panel. Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation. This has always been the process and is no different now. RedbridgeCouncil
  • Score: -5

1:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MorrisHickey says...

RedbridgeCouncil wrote:
Please see our full response issued to the Wanstead and Woodford Guardian here:

The meeting mentioned is a meeting of the cross-party Local Development Framework and Infrastructure Advisory Panel. This Panel has recently been established by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee, and will continue the work of the Local Development Advisory Panel that was established in the last administration. The Panel isn’t, and wasn’t previously, held in public because it deals with the initial stages of a process. Like many Council proposals, suggestions and ideas need to be discussed and worked out in more detail. The Council has to have a forum in which it can work out and develop its own policies and proposals before they’re made publicly available, and this can’t be done in a public arena. All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. The proposal mentioned in the article is one of a number of potential options being discussed by the panel. Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation. This has always been the process and is no different now.
Sure - and the other one's got bells on it.
[quote][p][bold]RedbridgeCouncil[/bold] wrote: Please see our full response issued to the Wanstead and Woodford Guardian here: The meeting mentioned is a meeting of the cross-party Local Development Framework and Infrastructure Advisory Panel. This Panel has recently been established by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee, and will continue the work of the Local Development Advisory Panel that was established in the last administration. The Panel isn’t, and wasn’t previously, held in public because it deals with the initial stages of a process. Like many Council proposals, suggestions and ideas need to be discussed and worked out in more detail. The Council has to have a forum in which it can work out and develop its own policies and proposals before they’re made publicly available, and this can’t be done in a public arena. All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. The proposal mentioned in the article is one of a number of potential options being discussed by the panel. Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation. This has always been the process and is no different now.[/p][/quote]Sure - and the other one's got bells on it. MorrisHickey
  • Score: 7

1:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Paul Skinner says...

Ah yes, because the A406, M11 and A12 can of course cope with 4x more people with cars...

Geniuses.
Ah yes, because the A406, M11 and A12 can of course cope with 4x more people with cars... Geniuses. Paul Skinner
  • Score: 9

2:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

RedbridgeCouncil wrote:
Please see our full response issued to the Wanstead and Woodford Guardian here:

The meeting mentioned is a meeting of the cross-party Local Development Framework and Infrastructure Advisory Panel. This Panel has recently been established by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee, and will continue the work of the Local Development Advisory Panel that was established in the last administration. The Panel isn’t, and wasn’t previously, held in public because it deals with the initial stages of a process. Like many Council proposals, suggestions and ideas need to be discussed and worked out in more detail. The Council has to have a forum in which it can work out and develop its own policies and proposals before they’re made publicly available, and this can’t be done in a public arena. All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. The proposal mentioned in the article is one of a number of potential options being discussed by the panel. Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation. This has always been the process and is no different now.
More gobbledygook.

Can we have that in plain English please?
[quote][p][bold]RedbridgeCouncil[/bold] wrote: Please see our full response issued to the Wanstead and Woodford Guardian here: The meeting mentioned is a meeting of the cross-party Local Development Framework and Infrastructure Advisory Panel. This Panel has recently been established by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee, and will continue the work of the Local Development Advisory Panel that was established in the last administration. The Panel isn’t, and wasn’t previously, held in public because it deals with the initial stages of a process. Like many Council proposals, suggestions and ideas need to be discussed and worked out in more detail. The Council has to have a forum in which it can work out and develop its own policies and proposals before they’re made publicly available, and this can’t be done in a public arena. All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. The proposal mentioned in the article is one of a number of potential options being discussed by the panel. Any proposals discussed at the moment are purely at a preliminary stage and the preferred option or options will not be decided until after public consultation. This has always been the process and is no different now.[/p][/quote]More gobbledygook. Can we have that in plain English please? Villagecranberry
  • Score: 8

4:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Sharlott says...

Well it seems that Wanstead is already full. You just need to take a look into the primary School situation we had last year. Some schools had to build make shift classrooms and local children are waiting ages for a place or not getting one at all. Maybe they should put some money into building a new school or two.
Well it seems that Wanstead is already full. You just need to take a look into the primary School situation we had last year. Some schools had to build make shift classrooms and local children are waiting ages for a place or not getting one at all. Maybe they should put some money into building a new school or two. Sharlott
  • Score: 7

4:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Sharlott says...

And a new Hospital and a few more GP surgeries, as these also are over subscribed and people can't be seen. Yes it makes sense to add a load more people to the area, to congest the roads a little more. Still, I guess the local takeaways will benifit. They'll be annoying us all with their crappy mopeds with useless driver. Sorry but there is simply to many people here already, what with all the multi dwelling s and Eastern Europeans.
And a new Hospital and a few more GP surgeries, as these also are over subscribed and people can't be seen. Yes it makes sense to add a load more people to the area, to congest the roads a little more. Still, I guess the local takeaways will benifit. They'll be annoying us all with their crappy mopeds with useless driver. Sorry but there is simply to many people here already, what with all the multi dwelling s and Eastern Europeans. Sharlott
  • Score: 4

5:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stickmanny says...

Don't stop the people living where they want, put the services in place (except the roads. 80% of London is roads: we have enough)

London is prospering because it is growing.
Don't stop the people living where they want, put the services in place (except the roads. 80% of London is roads: we have enough) London is prospering because it is growing. stickmanny
  • Score: -14

11:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Toomanypeople says...

stickmanny wrote:
Don't stop the people living where they want, put the services in place (except the roads. 80% of London is roads: we have enough) London is prospering because it is growing.
The quality of life is going down. Too many people.But labour people like Sickmanny love it.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Don't stop the people living where they want, put the services in place (except the roads. 80% of London is roads: we have enough) London is prospering because it is growing.[/p][/quote]The quality of life is going down. Too many people.But labour people like Sickmanny love it. Toomanypeople
  • Score: 9

6:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

stickmanny says...

Toomanypeople = Villagecranberry = Fool
Toomanypeople = Villagecranberry = Fool stickmanny
  • Score: -8

5:23pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
Toomanypeople = Villagecranberry = Fool
Tool
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Toomanypeople = Villagecranberry = Fool[/p][/quote]Tool Villagecranberry
  • Score: 3

8:47pm Thu 14 Aug 14

stickmanny says...

You and DaveInTheForest can do whatever you want with your tool but leave me out of it.
You and DaveInTheForest can do whatever you want with your tool but leave me out of it. stickmanny
  • Score: -1

12:59am Fri 15 Aug 14

kasiab84 says...

Sharlott wrote:
Well it seems that Wanstead is already full. You just need to take a look into the primary School situation we had last year. Some schools had to build make shift classrooms and local children are waiting ages for a place or not getting one at all. Maybe they should put some money into building a new school or two.
well, it's the same here in south wodford. We lived a road down from churchfields and our son didn't get in! had to move closer to get him in, absolutely ludicrous!
[quote][p][bold]Sharlott[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that Wanstead is already full. You just need to take a look into the primary School situation we had last year. Some schools had to build make shift classrooms and local children are waiting ages for a place or not getting one at all. Maybe they should put some money into building a new school or two.[/p][/quote]well, it's the same here in south wodford. We lived a road down from churchfields and our son didn't get in! had to move closer to get him in, absolutely ludicrous! kasiab84
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

kasiab84 wrote:
Sharlott wrote:
Well it seems that Wanstead is already full. You just need to take a look into the primary School situation we had last year. Some schools had to build make shift classrooms and local children are waiting ages for a place or not getting one at all. Maybe they should put some money into building a new school or two.
well, it's the same here in south wodford. We lived a road down from churchfields and our son didn't get in! had to move closer to get him in, absolutely ludicrous!
I feel sorry for you, my friend lives 200 metres away and has to get two buses to take her kid to a place over the other side of Woodford.

This is a travesty of justice.
[quote][p][bold]kasiab84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sharlott[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that Wanstead is already full. You just need to take a look into the primary School situation we had last year. Some schools had to build make shift classrooms and local children are waiting ages for a place or not getting one at all. Maybe they should put some money into building a new school or two.[/p][/quote]well, it's the same here in south wodford. We lived a road down from churchfields and our son didn't get in! had to move closer to get him in, absolutely ludicrous![/p][/quote]I feel sorry for you, my friend lives 200 metres away and has to get two buses to take her kid to a place over the other side of Woodford. This is a travesty of justice. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -2

5:06pm Fri 15 Aug 14

stickmanny says...

The travesty is that the government hasn't built enough schools
The travesty is that the government hasn't built enough schools stickmanny
  • Score: -2

5:35pm Fri 15 Aug 14

MorrisHickey says...

The travesty is uncontrolled immigration and breeding like rabbits.
The travesty is uncontrolled immigration and breeding like rabbits. MorrisHickey
  • Score: 3

5:54pm Fri 15 Aug 14

mdj says...

' All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. '

Translation: 'We aren't interested in the opinions of the public as to what those options might be, we simply want to present you with a limited range of choices, all of which might be unpalatable. Then, when you choose the least appalling (because we framed all the others to be worse) we can say that The People have spoken.'

As with LBWF, 'Decision first, consultation afterwards', seems to be in fine Stalinist tradition.
It's a cheap trick, and nobody is falling for it any more.
' All of the potential options considered by the panel will then be subject to formal consideration by the Neighbourhood and Community Service Committee and Cabinet and will then go out to public consultation. ' Translation: 'We aren't interested in the opinions of the public as to what those options might be, we simply want to present you with a limited range of choices, all of which might be unpalatable. Then, when you choose the least appalling (because we framed all the others to be worse) we can say that The People have spoken.' As with LBWF, 'Decision first, consultation afterwards', seems to be in fine Stalinist tradition. It's a cheap trick, and nobody is falling for it any more. mdj
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

stickmanny says...

MorrisHickey wrote:
The travesty is uncontrolled immigration and breeding like rabbits.
No you just don't like foreigners.

On here that is. You're nice to them when you meet them.
[quote][p][bold]MorrisHickey[/bold] wrote: The travesty is uncontrolled immigration and breeding like rabbits.[/p][/quote]No you just don't like foreigners. On here that is. You're nice to them when you meet them. stickmanny
  • Score: -4

6:15pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

stickmanny wrote:
The travesty is that the government hasn't built enough schools
There was dreadful planning provision by Labour opening up the borders without planning the infrastructure for the mass invasion. UK could not cope with the influx, and with Europe when millions can just walk in, how can anyone plan for that?
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: The travesty is that the government hasn't built enough schools[/p][/quote]There was dreadful planning provision by Labour opening up the borders without planning the infrastructure for the mass invasion. UK could not cope with the influx, and with Europe when millions can just walk in, how can anyone plan for that? Villagecranberry
  • Score: 3

6:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

MorrisHickey says...

stickmanny wrote:
MorrisHickey wrote:
The travesty is uncontrolled immigration and breeding like rabbits.
No you just don't like foreigners.

On here that is. You're nice to them when you meet them.
In your case I promise not to be.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MorrisHickey[/bold] wrote: The travesty is uncontrolled immigration and breeding like rabbits.[/p][/quote]No you just don't like foreigners. On here that is. You're nice to them when you meet them.[/p][/quote]In your case I promise not to be. MorrisHickey
  • Score: 2

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