A petition started by people in Leytonstone is calling on Paddy Power to withdraw an application for a sixth betting shop in High Road

Cllr Clyde Loakes has campaigned with residents against proposed new bookmakers

Cllr Clyde Loakes has campaigned with residents against proposed new bookmakers

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An online petition is calling for bookmakers Paddy Power not to open anymore betting shops in Leytonstone.

In June this year the company, which already has branches across the borough, submitted an application to Waltham Forest council for another bookies in High Road.

Philip Herlihy started the petition against a sixth betting shop in the area around the road two days ago  - and it has already has 97 signatures.

In an open letter to Paddy Power's regional development manager, Nindi Dhanjal, Mr Herlihy said "enough is enough".

He added: “Leytonstone is a small, thriving distinct place, with a distinctive character, which local people are anxious to protect and preserve."

“You know as well as I do that betting shops don't bring joy to a high street - your substantial profits inevitably mean that your customers are, collectively, losers. 

"Betting shops bring losers to the high street, or - worse - create losers among us.”

Police have said betting shops attract crime and anti-social behaviour to an area.

Earlier this year, changes were made to the way councils can assess planning applications for betting shops.

Previously, they had to be considered in the same planning category as banks and estate agents.

However, Councillor Clyde Loakes, who has campaigned against new bookmakers, claims that they changes have come too late.

Last month the Planning Inspectorate overturned two decisions made by the council to refuse Paddy Power permission for two Walthamstow branches.

No date has been set for the Leytonstone application to be heard by the council’s planning committee.

To view the petiton click here 

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2:46pm Fri 22 Aug 14

RichasAA says...

Waltham Forrest had 60 bookies in 2007 when councils took over licencing from magistrates. By the end of 2013 there were 60 in Waltham Forrest. Not too shocking a rise really especially as the population has been rising quite quickly.
Waltham Forrest had 60 bookies in 2007 when councils took over licencing from magistrates. By the end of 2013 there were 60 in Waltham Forrest. Not too shocking a rise really especially as the population has been rising quite quickly. RichasAA
  • Score: -1

9:40pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

RichasAA wrote:
Waltham Forrest had 60 bookies in 2007 when councils took over licencing from magistrates. By the end of 2013 there were 60 in Waltham Forrest. Not too shocking a rise really especially as the population has been rising quite quickly.
Not the point. They have now occupied landmark sites like the Bakers Arms and Thatched House and so on in larger premises.

More importantly is what is going on inside. The Racehorse and greyhound betting is far less profitable than the increased installation of the 'cocaine addictive' gaming machines that are ruining the lives of individuals and their families.
[quote][p][bold]RichasAA[/bold] wrote: Waltham Forrest had 60 bookies in 2007 when councils took over licencing from magistrates. By the end of 2013 there were 60 in Waltham Forrest. Not too shocking a rise really especially as the population has been rising quite quickly.[/p][/quote]Not the point. They have now occupied landmark sites like the Bakers Arms and Thatched House and so on in larger premises. More importantly is what is going on inside. The Racehorse and greyhound betting is far less profitable than the increased installation of the 'cocaine addictive' gaming machines that are ruining the lives of individuals and their families. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 12

11:09pm Fri 22 Aug 14

jackblack007 says...

dont be pathetic, people still gamble at home , on phones , on computers

betting shops are'nt to blame
dont be pathetic, people still gamble at home , on phones , on computers betting shops are'nt to blame jackblack007
  • Score: -9

9:09pm Sat 23 Aug 14

PhilipHerlihy says...

The correct link to the petition is here:
http://chn.ge/1oZNUQ
4
The correct link to the petition is here: http://chn.ge/1oZNUQ 4 PhilipHerlihy
  • Score: 4

1:51am Sun 24 Aug 14

Megamix says...

Philip you always say you do not support any party, but you always jump in and defend all that Labour do, and is it true a group of you were bullying 2 innocent ladies in a group on FB? and calling them names? shame on you, this is not community spirit that you claim you work for, bullying is not nice or name calling.
Philip you always say you do not support any party, but you always jump in and defend all that Labour do, and is it true a group of you were bullying 2 innocent ladies in a group on FB? and calling them names? shame on you, this is not community spirit that you claim you work for, bullying is not nice or name calling. Megamix
  • Score: -1

12:58pm Mon 25 Aug 14

mdj says...

Well spotted, Megamix: Mr Herlihy is an articulate and persuasive man, but why he feels the need to pretend not to be a dedicated Labour partisan has long been baffling.
When he used to chair the West Walthamstow Community Council it was noticeable how often his interventions - always courteous, reasoned and persuasive - served to draw the heat away from some hapless Labour councillor struggling to defend another blunder.

Perhaps he and Mr Loakes can explain why Labour created the legal and planning regime that has allowed these rapacious 'shops' to plunder and degrade the poorest areas of our cities.

Instead of grandstanding as valiant grassroots campaigners, which very few people will fall for, they need to stand up and say 'This is our fault, we let the country down, and we're sorry.'

As a prominent figure in the Local Government Association, Mr Loakes is better equipped than almost anyone to front a campaign to reverse his party's disastrous blunder on this topic. We can be pretty sure that he isn't, because he'd be telling us all about it if he were!
Well spotted, Megamix: Mr Herlihy is an articulate and persuasive man, but why he feels the need to pretend not to be a dedicated Labour partisan has long been baffling. When he used to chair the West Walthamstow Community Council it was noticeable how often his interventions - always courteous, reasoned and persuasive - served to draw the heat away from some hapless Labour councillor struggling to defend another blunder. Perhaps he and Mr Loakes can explain why Labour created the legal and planning regime that has allowed these rapacious 'shops' to plunder and degrade the poorest areas of our cities. Instead of grandstanding as valiant grassroots campaigners, which very few people will fall for, they need to stand up and say 'This is our fault, we let the country down, and we're sorry.' As a prominent figure in the Local Government Association, Mr Loakes is better equipped than almost anyone to front a campaign to reverse his party's disastrous blunder on this topic. We can be pretty sure that he isn't, because he'd be telling us all about it if he were! mdj
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Mon 25 Aug 14

PhilipHerlihy says...

I figure I'm getting things right when supporters of each party are convinced I'm a member of another. :-)
I figure I'm getting things right when supporters of each party are convinced I'm a member of another. :-) PhilipHerlihy
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Mon 25 Aug 14

mdj says...

Apologies if I'm mistaken Phil, but speaking as a supporter of no party that's not how it looks from this direction! I would probably find myself in agreement with most of your opinions on a case-by-case basis, but I feel strongly that people should declare where they're coming from.

There's a wonderful term, 'astroturfing', to describe how big organisations try to adapt to the newly-levelled playing field of online public opinion by creating bogus grassroots fronts and campaigns; '38 Degrees', which only promotes those issues that Labour also back, is just one example, and many much less reputable outfits that are out-and-out lobbyists in disguise.
As during the 1930s, when the Communist Party hid behind such worthy fronts as 'Milk for Spain' and dozens of others, we need to learn a new type of vigilance.
Apologies if I'm mistaken Phil, but speaking as a supporter of no party that's not how it looks from this direction! I would probably find myself in agreement with most of your opinions on a case-by-case basis, but I feel strongly that people should declare where they're coming from. There's a wonderful term, 'astroturfing', to describe how big organisations try to adapt to the newly-levelled playing field of online public opinion by creating bogus grassroots fronts and campaigns; '38 Degrees', which only promotes those issues that Labour also back, is just one example, and many much less reputable outfits that are out-and-out lobbyists in disguise. As during the 1930s, when the Communist Party hid behind such worthy fronts as 'Milk for Spain' and dozens of others, we need to learn a new type of vigilance. mdj
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Robert19 says...

I have signed this petition because I do not want any more bookmakers in Leytonstone. I do not know Philip Herlihiy nor what his political beliefs are but at least he has taken the initiative. Obviously you have to be careful not to become a pawn of an organisation with dubious motives but on the other hand if someone puts up a petition that I believe makes sense then I will consider supporting it. I hope you will also do so mdj.
I have signed this petition because I do not want any more bookmakers in Leytonstone. I do not know Philip Herlihiy nor what his political beliefs are but at least he has taken the initiative. Obviously you have to be careful not to become a pawn of an organisation with dubious motives but on the other hand if someone puts up a petition that I believe makes sense then I will consider supporting it. I hope you will also do so mdj. Robert19
  • Score: 4

8:45pm Mon 25 Aug 14

PhilipHerlihy says...

This thread shouldn't be about my political persuasions but about a petition to oppose the opening of further betting shops in Leytonstone. If you support that view, please sign the petition if you live locally.
http://chn.ge/1oZNUQ


For the record, I'm a not a member of any party, nor am I likely to become become one. I applaud, or deplore, various policies belonging to each of the parties, and the same is true of the individuals that comprise them. In a nutshell, my defining view is this: Where public services don't work well, we should comment, nudge, and finally shout until they are fixed. Where they do work well we should celebrate them. This causes me to be unfashionably supportive of politicians of all shades who seem to be doing a good job. I have many other unfashionable views which collectively make it rather difficult to align with any particular party.

Finally, I'm uncomfortable with forums where most people don't explicitly identify themselves (I'd exclude mjd from this) so I'm unlikely to comment further.

Do sign the petition, if you haven't already. http://chn.ge/1oZNUQ
This thread shouldn't be about my political persuasions but about a petition to oppose the opening of further betting shops in Leytonstone. If you support that view, please sign the petition if you live locally. http://chn.ge/1oZNUQ For the record, I'm a not a member of any party, nor am I likely to become become one. I applaud, or deplore, various policies belonging to each of the parties, and the same is true of the individuals that comprise them. In a nutshell, my defining view is this: Where public services don't work well, we should comment, nudge, and finally shout until they are fixed. Where they do work well we should celebrate them. This causes me to be unfashionably supportive of politicians of all shades who seem to be doing a good job. I have many other unfashionable views which collectively make it rather difficult to align with any particular party. Finally, I'm uncomfortable with forums where most people don't explicitly identify themselves (I'd exclude mjd from this) so I'm unlikely to comment further. Do sign the petition, if you haven't already. http://chn.ge/1oZNUQ PhilipHerlihy
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Villagecranberry says...

jackblack007 wrote:
dont be pathetic, people still gamble at home , on phones , on computers

betting shops are'nt to blame
You do not know what you are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]jackblack007[/bold] wrote: dont be pathetic, people still gamble at home , on phones , on computers betting shops are'nt to blame[/p][/quote]You do not know what you are talking about. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 1
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