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Sex attack Cadet leader jailed
4:48pm Wednesday 15th August 2007
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AN AIR Cadet leader who sexually assaulted a 15-year-old boy during an expedition has been jailed for two years.
Supporters watching from a packed public gallery wept in disbelief as Christopher Day, a squadron leader for the Wanstead and Woodford Air Training Corps (ATC), was sentenced at Snaresbrook Crown Court on Friday.
A wounded-looking Day hurriedly left the dock as the gavel sounded, escaping public view for a few moments before he was brought back in to the courtroom and ordered to sign on the sex offenders' register for 10 years.
Judge Sasha Wass told Day: "You were commanding officer and you manipulated events so that you shared a bed.
"You abused your position of trust and worse than that you abused the power you had over the young cadet."
"I have seen him give evidence in this case.
"You left him confused, and traumatised him in years of his life which should have been carefree."
Day was arrested last September after his victim confronted him and secretly recorded his confession to the attack.
The 48-year-old squadron leader was found guilty of indecent assault at the end of a nine-day trial in July.
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Helen, says...
7:48pm Thu 16 Aug 07
lyn, woodford says...
8:55am Fri 17 Aug 07
Paula, Walthamstow says...
1:26pm Fri 17 Aug 07
Anna, Plymouth says...
2:32pm Fri 17 Aug 07
chloe, london says...
3:46pm Mon 20 Aug 07
chloe, london says...
3:48pm Mon 20 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
3:52pm Mon 20 Aug 07
In the interests of balance perhaps the Guardian should do a little digging into the victim's background.
Tom, East London says...
6:52pm Mon 20 Aug 07
Thing that makes me feel most sick... Is, I thought he was well alright, and to think I could of got changed, and most probably did at one point in front of him... What's running through his head when he's with around a good 50-60 kids twice a week...
Helen, says...
8:34pm Mon 20 Aug 07
I obviously fully support Chris and hope that his good name is cleared soon.
Tom, East London says...
9:13pm Mon 20 Aug 07
If he wasn't, like you are so sure, than that's fine... But, again, I just find it hard believe how he could be misinterpreted on a tape, and how that boy could fool the courts... And why on Earth, if none of this is true, why would this boy after nearly 20 years think "You know what I'll do today, I'll go and try and frame Chris day for being a paedophile... Yeah, that will pass some time"
James, Redbridge says...
8:14am Tue 21 Aug 07
Lauren, Romford says...
10:42am Tue 21 Aug 07
GM, London says...
10:58am Tue 21 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
4:19pm Tue 21 Aug 07
I honestly couldn't care who this bloke is, I just still find it hard to believe, no matter who it is, how he could be misinterpreted on a recorded tape...
I'd like to hear the tape... It would make things alot more clear...
Michelle, Woodford says...
5:49pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I hope that people will consider all FACTS before posting misguided comments. And if you don't know the facts, you have no right to be commenting, particularly if you don't actually know either party involved.
Chris Day is an amazing person who has given so much to helping hundreds of young people, he does not deserve any bad word said against him.
Tom, East London says...
6:41pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I probably don't know all the facts, care to share?
Kim, Walthamstow says...
9:09pm Wed 22 Aug 07
You obviously have nothing else better to do, whereas everyone that knows him want to make a difference and support him.
The 'victim' is a well known lying piece of scum, who will get what is coming to him one day. Chris will have everyone supporting him, especially when he comes out.
Who has this 'victim' got? He had ONE, max two, people supporting him at the trial, says a lot about his character.
Chris is the victim here due to his good heart and kind nature, just a few qualities which make him such an outstanding person.
Tom, East London says...
9:38pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Cus I'm beginning to get convinced but what you lot are saying... But I just want to know what was said it the tape which was enough to "fool" the courts...
Anna, Plymouth says...
10:38pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
11:06pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I will continue to post on this page, it's a place where people can post their opinion... And I still don't believe it, I stand by, how can the courts be fooled by words coming out of his mouth... Lets quote the passage "Day was arrested last September after his victim confronted him and secretly recorded his confession to the attack."
Now lets quote www.dictionary.com, the definition of Confessions: a formal, usually written, acknowledgment of guilt by a person accused of a crime.
Lauren, Romford says...
12:47pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Anna, Plymouth says...
9:08pm Thu 23 Aug 07
JP, earth says...
9:55pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Yes i would worry to mr 15 year old,everyones going to find out what a lier u r,and who u r!
Chloe, London says...
12:41pm Fri 24 Aug 07
The courts arent stupid, i work for a law firm in the city, its obvious, he is a pervert. i dont know this bloke, but i can say it is normally "the good blokes" the ones that no one suspects that do this sort of thing. As a survivor of sexual abuse, it takes a lot of courage to come out and say something to the police, something that i could never have the courage to do. So well done to that very brave boy.
and to the supporters out there... there has been miscarriages of justice, sally clark etc, but this man admitted on tape to the things he had been accused of, if he had denied it, i may be on his side.
Chloe, London says...
12:44pm Fri 24 Aug 07
WHY ADMIT SOMETHING YOU DID NOT DO, ESPECIALLY A CRIME LIKE THAT! none of his supporters are even answering the question, which just proves. guilty, i hope rots in prison, he was found guilty for gods sake
J Moon, Loughton says...
7:48pm Fri 24 Aug 07
JASON, West Sussex says...
10:01pm Fri 24 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
6:03am Sat 25 Aug 07
Lauren wrote:So, let me get this straight, he was caught on tape confessing, in court he never said what he said on the tape was untrue and plead guilty I assume? So he admitted twice, and you lot are trying to tell us it never happened... Wake up people! You know what someone said to me when I spoke to them about the case, people are too ashamed who know people like Day to admit he was a paedophile because they feel he fooled them. Well, I certainly was...
Tom, of course you are entitled to post on this page and I would like to address your comments regarding the so-called confession. If you had been in court you would have heard the mitigating circumstances behind it. Chris did in fact confess to other things as well as the alleged attack, all which were found to be untrue when investigated by the police, meaning he definitely lied on the tape. Unfortunately the jury, who in their defence, were not aware of the sort of people Chris or the so-called victim were, chose to believe one part of the tape, although they knew the rest was lies. Finally, I would like to make one last point regarding this whole sorry debacle, why did the individual, who according to the judge was left traumatised', stay at Cadets for over two years following the alleged attack? I know there is no way I would have stayed, would you
You know whats weird, I went to Cubs / Scouts at around the age of 10, the scout leader got done for sexually assaulting 5 very young boys on a trip, one by one they came forward. I go Cadets and there's another one here... It just shows you can't trust *anyone*.
Oh, and in response to why he stayed there for two years, if the victim had to take nearly 20 years to pluck up the courage to pin it on him when he's a grown adult, I'm sure when he's a young, naive boy he doesn't know what to do...
Tom, East London says...
6:07am Sat 25 Aug 07
J Moon wrote:Just like a big brother, ey? One word, grooming.
I have been away on holiday & just seen the report on Chris Day both my sons went to cadets. He was like a big brother to them they held him in very high respect for him i also had alot of respect for him as well. I dont belive for one moment the things that are being said are true he is a very kind man & i would like to think he has made my sons to be the men they are today he has all our surport
Tom, East London says...
6:13am Sat 25 Aug 07
JASON wrote:What youre saying makes no sense. He was being secretly recorded, unless he was holding a knife to his throat, why would he admit something he never did! And surely you would hear in the tape Day saying something along the lines of Why are you blackmailing me? Also, if I was Day, a once highly respected man and some ex-cadet said to me Im going to ruin your life, Id tell him to jog on, unless he had something on him, like I dont know A sexual assault.
Chloe,did you haer the tape?.I did.If you knew the whole story of what was going on then you would understand.The person was trying to black mail Chris and in the tape you can hear Chris addmit it only as a way to passify this scumbag.When he fell out with Chris back in the 90,s he said he was going to ruin his life.Does this arnswer your concerns?
Tashan, East London says...
12:24pm Sat 25 Aug 07
Tashan, East London says...
12:39pm Sat 25 Aug 07
I really think it took alot of courage for the victim to confront Day; now I may be wrong about this but, if the victim was assulted over a decade ago, it makes you wonder who else Day might have attempted to assult or assulted!
annon, Woodford says...
2:52pm Sun 26 Aug 07
annon, says...
2:56pm Sun 26 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
3:40pm Sun 26 Aug 07
annon wrote:Oh yeah! I remember that! On the Lakes he always use to give us beers and stuff... Then at the end of the trip he would say "Just dont tell your parents"... Oh, and I remember a story he told us... Makes me feel sick now thinking about the fact HE told us it...
I went to cadets for three years at 241,and i truely believe that he did do it. I went on many expeditions and yes he did like to take the boys down to the local pubs and get drunk with them, and these boys were only 14 and 15! Firstly you do not confess in any situation you are in to something as awful as that if you did not do it and Secondly all the younger boys at cadets when i was there were all favored over the girls and older cadets! Oh and hes never been married! Its disgusting how we are all trying to get these scum bags off the streets and there is still people defending it! What ever he did he must of done something to start all this off because he wouldnt of admitted it and he would of tried to argue about it in court!
Everything is starting to make sense...
annon, says...
4:00pm Sun 26 Aug 07
Tashan, East London says...
5:09pm Sun 26 Aug 07
annon wrote:Hmm, now the penny has certainly dropped!
I went to cadets for three years at 241,and i truely believe that he did do it. I went on many expeditions and yes he did like to take the boys down to the local pubs and get drunk with them, and these boys were only 14 and 15! Firstly you do not confess in any situation you are in to something as awful as that if you did not do it and Secondly all the younger boys at cadets when i was there were all favored over the girls and older cadets! Oh and hes never been married! Its disgusting how we are all trying to get these scum bags off the streets and there is still people defending it! What ever he did he must of done something to start all this off because he wouldnt of admitted it and he would of tried to argue about it in court!
Now when people are arguing that he is a 'very nice man of good character'; all i can say is exactly, thats the exact reputation he wanted to gain; so that his tracks where covered so to speak with the sexually assulted 15 year-old. Personally I think people in defense of him should wake up and smell the coffee!
Roz, London says...
6:12pm Sun 26 Aug 07
annon, says...
7:35pm Sun 26 Aug 07
annon, Woodford says...
7:55pm Sun 26 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
10:50pm Sun 26 Aug 07
Roz wrote:All the facts? NO ONE knows all the facts. That's the truth, the only two people that know ALL the facts are Chris and the boy (well man now). Because unless you were there when he sexually assualted the boy, you do not know all the facts. Unless you where there when he was secretly recorded, you do not know ALL the facts. Unless you were there with Chris EVERYTIME he was with that boy, you do NOT know all the facts.
This is a very sorry sequence of posts. Unless armed with all of the facts, I do not think that anyone is equipped to comment with the authority that they are - from either side. What I will say is that having known Chris as a cadet myself, during the time concerned, and most likely on the expedition in question, I am still finding it very hard to believe. In my heart, without all the facts, and through sheer admiration for the commitment that Chris made, I hope this is a miscarrage of justice that will be rectified swiftly. I could be wrong, but I can\'t forget the way that Chris and his colleagues lead, supported and developed, not just me, but scores more young people.
To know all the facts you would have to know their relationship fully. So therefore you are contradicting yourself.
So do not try and tell people they are not able to have an opinion on the matter just because they are not "armed with all the facts"...
Tom, East London says...
10:55pm Sun 26 Aug 07
annon wrote:Like I say, some people close to people with the mentallity of Day, are too ashamed to admit they were fooled by him and his ways. Subconsiously they know, deep down they know, but are too ashamed to admit that he fooled them for so long.
I knew chris very well as i was there for three years and i do no wat i saw with him. He might of been a good leader and had alot of commitment, but why? A single 40 year old man devoted to the squadron enjoying drinking with 15 year old boys and getting them drunk which i personally saw on all the expeditions i went on?? That isnt miscarrage of justice, thats a job well done to me, and possibly not sentenced enough! Finally something is being done to these people! I still do not see why people are standing up for him. Its not even like i have just read it in a paper, i knew him and i believe he is guilty! Its about time people stopped burying their head in the sand and saw things for how they are instead of turning away!
Anna, Plymouth says...
6:48pm Mon 27 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
11:22pm Mon 27 Aug 07
Anna wrote:All your argument is "he's innocent" "You don't know the kid"... You have no true facts... You're not battling out arugments you're just saying "he's innocent" ... I mean, unless you have something backed up to say, dont just come on here and talk crap.
Tom, i am sad to see that you still have nothing better to do that post your stupid comments of which i STILL say YOU know nothing about. I would have thought you could find something better to do with your time that this? And as for this Annon person, why don't you say who you are? Did you really know Chris and the 'alleged victim'?? I guess not or you would say who you are? or are speaking a load of garbage and worried Chris's supporters from the RAF might know who you are?? I would be careful what you put if I were you. Chris Day is innocent and it will be proven soon by his appeal. He is also doing fine where he is now and has the love and support from his FRIENDS and FAMILY. Otherwise known as the people who know him well enough to judge him! and yes, we do also know the alleged victim! He has been in our lives since he was a young boy and was a complete waste of space back then let alone now!! He needs to be locked up for lying on oath and intimidating someone so much that they have to lie to get out of the situation they are in.
CH, Hainault says...
11:36pm Mon 27 Aug 07
As to all Mr Day's so-called friends, please do one of two things. Either tell us who the "victim" is and why he should not be believed,or let the appeal take its course; but if it does, then please either shut up of be prepared to give evidence.
annon, woodford says...
11:58pm Mon 27 Aug 07
Anna wrote:Just because im not saying who i am does not mean I did not no him, why would i wast my time! Its nobodys business who i am. Oh and anna instead of tellin people to stop posting rubbish, take your own advice! And please do tell me why I have to be careful what i post? I am stating my point of view like you are? Im not lieing about anything. You dont no the facts like anyone else or the truth! Chris Day admitted it! I new exactly wat he was like! Im sorry but anna how ever intimidated you are you do not admit to child abuse!
Tom, i am sad to see that you still have nothing better to do that post your stupid comments of which i STILL say YOU know nothing about. I would have thought you could find something better to do with your time that this? And as for this Annon person, why don\'t you say who you are? Did you really know Chris and the \'alleged victim\'?? I guess not or you would say who you are? or are speaking a load of garbage and worried Chris\'s supporters from the RAF might know who you are?? I would be careful what you put if I were you. Chris Day is innocent and it will be proven soon by his appeal. He is also doing fine where he is now and has the love and support from his FRIENDS and FAMILY. Otherwise known as the people who know him well enough to judge him! and yes, we do also know the alleged victim! He has been in our lives since he was a young boy and was a complete waste of space back then let alone now!! He needs to be locked up for lying on oath and intimidating someone so much that they have to lie to get out of the situation they are in.
Tom, East London says...
12:01am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH wrote:Again more crap coming from the defenders of Day's side. No true facts just "you're like news of the world" blah blah **** blah.
There's a number of people talking crap, Tom, and you're one of them. You are making your findings on nothing more than a "News of the World" type story.
As to all Mr Day's so-called friends, please do one of two things. Either tell us who the "victim" is and why he should not be believed,or let the appeal take its course; but if it does, then please either shut up of be prepared to give evidence.
Until you have hardcore facts which can prove this man innocent against the tape he admitted to, against the court he admitted to, against the boy he assaulted, and finally against the endless amounts of young underage boys he got drunk on trips.
I do apolgise for swearing, but I get angry when people just talk crap and have no meaning and facts behind their story except for "he's innocent".
annon, says...
12:03am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH, Hainault says...
12:43am Tue 28 Aug 07
Somebody out there please tell us ALL the facts , and not just the blind senitmental loyalty.
Tashan, East London says...
9:01am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH wrote:Hmm, you are fully aware you are trying to be wrong and strong, which is why you are now resulting in patronising people!
Just get your facts right, Tom, there's a good little boy. I did not say he was innocent - I do not know him, I do not know the victim, I was not at the trial. He has been convicted and has now, apparently, appealed. That at least is fact. Somebody out there please tell us ALL the facts , and not just the blind senitmental loyalty.
'Just get your facts right, Tom, there's a good little boy'. Was there any need for that?
As what Tom and Annon have said previously, you need to come to terms to the fact Chris Day's past has come back to haunt him, when you do bad, bad follows you; he was not probably thinking 'if he will get caught', but, 'when he will get caught'
Tom, East London says...
9:03am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH wrote:"There's a good little boy." You make me SICK. This discussion page is against digusting people like you! I bet you were one of his partners in crime!
Just get your facts right, Tom, there's a good little boy. I did not say he was innocent - I do not know him, I do not know the victim, I was not at the trial. He has been convicted and has now, apparently, appealed. That at least is fact.
Somebody out there please tell us ALL the facts , and not just the blind senitmental loyalty.
On another note, the majority of people who come to this page to post are already bias for one way or another, so the "blind sentimental loyalty" is not going to be put aside when they post.
CH, Hainault says...
9:23am Tue 28 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
9:39am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH wrote:So you're assuming that because I'm male and from East London I must be a hooligan? Or is it the name Tom, does that have a gangster ring to it? Maybe I should change the name to Albert and location to Yorkshire? Would that make you feel better, then maybe you could stop avoiding the argument in hand and reply with something sensible to say. Not just insulting me and patronizing me.
Oh, Tom, what a bad tempered little hooligan you are. Calm down!
I guess your replies just show how weak your argument is.
Oh - and on the subject of names, CH? Really? Once we finish with Day we must beging with your parents.
CH, Hainault says...
10:03am Tue 28 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
10:29am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH wrote:So firstly, you have told me to calm down, with an exclamation mark, slightly ironic wouldn't you say?
Oh, Tom, what a bad tempered little hooligan you are. Calm down!
The comment I posted in response did not contain one exclamation mark. An exclamation mark is used to express emotion or loudness. So you are expressing your loud voice, whereas I'm clam. You then in the comment following mine, again tell me to be calm. Then comment on my blood pressure, but I thought you just told me I was a "little boy", little boys do not have blood pressure problems... You really are an illiterate.
Annon, Woodford says...
10:38am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH, Hainault says...
10:39am Tue 28 Aug 07
Annon, woodford says...
10:40am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH, Hainault says...
10:46am Tue 28 Aug 07
As to getting drunk with 14 year olds, well your fantasies are singularly odd.
Annon, woodford says...
10:53am Tue 28 Aug 07
Annon, says...
10:54am Tue 28 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
11:07am Tue 28 Aug 07
CH, if you took the time to read the comments, you would see he took 14 year old boys to the pub and bought crates of beer for us. So that's his fantasy, not Annon.
Pass me your shovel CH, you're not getting any better.
CH, says...
11:09am Tue 28 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
11:12am Tue 28 Aug 07
You're full of the insults today, aren't you?
annon, Woodford says...
11:14am Tue 28 Aug 07
Anna, Plymouth says...
2:43pm Tue 28 Aug 07
cd, liverpool says...
3:51pm Tue 28 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
1:52pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Annon wrote:There's just you and Tom, who are most likely the same person. You're too full of venom to be legit.
I love the way theres more people commenting on him being guilty then innocent. Oh and the people who are defending him are the ones who are throwing the childish insults about CH? Good little boy? Whats that about? Very muture. I also love the fact theres so much evidence against him. Getting drunk with 14 year olds? That normal CH? Do you do that too?
As for naming the person concerned i'd happily do that but it would most likely result in this comments section being closed.
James, Redbridge says...
2:00pm Wed 29 Aug 07
aravanandcampingsite
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this is the bunkhouse we used at glenridding, i can see at least seven single bunks in that room. I'd like to know how anything took place without anyone else knowing.
I love the 'Oh and he's never been married', if anyone doubted your stupidity before, they won't now.
Tom, East London says...
3:52pm Wed 29 Aug 07
I went on one of those trips at Glenridding, the bunkhouse you are looking at is the female one, and the male one is even bigger with more beds. But that doesn't mean he still couldn't do what he did to him. It's not like *Ding* It's 11pm, everyone to bed all together. Everyone is constantly in and out, going to bed at different times. Day could have easily manipulated the situation, if he wanted people out of the room or if he went to bed earlier with the boy to do what he did.
Anna, Plymouth says...
5:21pm Wed 29 Aug 07
James, i totally agree with you regarding the bunk bed situation although i did not need proof that the alleged attack happened at all! Don't let cynics like Tom and this annon person get to you. You know Chris Day and his innocence, just stick to your guns!! Chris appreciates it and is aware of all these comments!
annon, woodford says...
5:25pm Wed 29 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
5:27pm Wed 29 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
5:29pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Anna wrote:why are we cynics, its our opinoin like u think hes innocent!
Tom, now you are beginning to annoy me. You say you knew Chris but how well?? I can tell you that there is a very valid reason why Chris was never married but i am afraid you just do not deserve to know why and i shouldn\'t have to tell you. believe me though, i would never marry either if the same thing happened to me. If this is just your \'opinion\' as you keep saying then please try to stick to facts and not assumptions about Chris. You do not know anything about Chris\'s personal life so i suggest you do not comment! James, i totally agree with you regarding the bunk bed situation although i did not need proof that the alleged attack happened at all! Don\'t let cynics like Tom and this annon person get to you. You know Chris Day and his innocence, just stick to your guns!! Chris appreciates it and is aware of all these comments!
IPD, says...
5:42pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
5:48pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Anna wrote:Excuse you? At what point did I discuss Chris' homelife, and at what point did I talk about if he has been married or not. Please do tell, because I'm interested to know if I've been saying things without realising.
Tom, now you are beginning to annoy me. You say you knew Chris but how well?? I can tell you that there is a very valid reason why Chris was never married but i am afraid you just do not deserve to know why and i shouldn't have to tell you. believe me though, i would never marry either if the same thing happened to me. If this is just your 'opinion' as you keep saying then please try to stick to facts and not assumptions about Chris. You do not know anything about Chris's personal life so i suggest you do not comment!
James, i totally agree with you regarding the bunk bed situation although i did not need proof that the alleged attack happened at all! Don't let cynics like Tom and this annon person get to you. You know Chris Day and his innocence, just stick to your guns!! Chris appreciates it and is aware of all these comments!
Tom, East Londond says...
5:52pm Wed 29 Aug 07
annon wrote:Couldn't agree more. Even if he did admit it because the victim wouldn't stop pestering him you would hear some sort of sarcasm in his voice when admitting it. Or you would hear before or after he admits it "If I admit it will that shut you up" ... I still don't believe it, the courts aren't stupid.
Oh and if EVERYONE so badly thinks hes innocent then surly he wouldnt be locked up! And as iv said before YOU DONT ADMIT TO SOMETHING SO AWFUL!
Jane, Chelmsford says...
8:33pm Wed 29 Aug 07
We are all here to support you Anna and your family! Chris's true friends know the truth and we will always stand by him!!
Tom, East London says...
10:47pm Wed 29 Aug 07
And as for me not taking others opinions, I am accepting them, I'm just not believing, be aware of the difference.
Another thing that isn't being discussed enough, fair enough you're saying he admitted it to the victim because he was pestering him. Why admit it a SECOND time to the courts... Just doesn't add up...
PRIVATE, says...
10:56pm Wed 29 Aug 07
Anna, Plymouth says...
11:57am Thu 30 Aug 07
annon, Woodford says...
3:22pm Thu 30 Aug 07
PRIVATE, says...
3:24pm Thu 30 Aug 07
JASON, West Sussex says...
4:25pm Thu 30 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
5:58pm Thu 30 Aug 07
PRIVATE, says...
7:46pm Thu 30 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
9:05pm Thu 30 Aug 07
PRIVATE, says...
10:03pm Thu 30 Aug 07
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Tom, East London says...
12:25am Fri 31 Aug 07
So lets turn it the other way around, you're all defending Chris, so each one of you must be Days mother, brother or any other f***ker to be defending him.
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12:53am Fri 31 Aug 07
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James, Redbridge says...
8:17am Fri 31 Aug 07
If you knew his accuser (and you would have were you at 241 at hat time) you'd know not to believe a word he said, ever. He was a Walter Mitty character, a fantasist.
Tom and Annon, you've both come on here claiming not to know much about the case and saying that you don't know what happened. If you have no agenda then why over the course of this thread have you both convinced yourself of Chris' guilt. You both sound pretty bitter (especially Tom) and in need of a figure to hate.
Tom, East London says...
9:44am Fri 31 Aug 07
James wrote:And I'm just someone in the squadron he got drunk a few times, along side a good 20-30 other underage cadets.
No, just friends or people that he has gone out of his way to help at one time or another. There must be hundreds of people that fit that bill.
If you knew his accuser (and you would have were you at 241 at hat time) you'd know not to believe a word he said, ever. He was a Walter Mitty character, a fantasist.
Tom and Annon, you've both come on here claiming not to know much about the case and saying that you don't know what happened. If you have no agenda then why over the course of this thread have you both convinced yourself of Chris' guilt. You both sound pretty bitter (especially Tom) and in need of a figure to hate.
At the beginning, I didn't know much about the case, now as I've learnt more I stand by what I said in the start, I believe he did do what he was charged for.
Are you trying to act like a shrink? I sound bitter and need a figure to hate? What on Earth are you talking about. What's next, I have problems with my father and I have come here to express my anger towards him. Get real.
PRIVATE, says...
9:49am Fri 31 Aug 07
private, says...
9:51am Fri 31 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
11:32am Fri 31 Aug 07
Out of interest do you know the person who claims to have been abused?
annon, woodford says...
1:21pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
1:23pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon wrote:So they told us the painted picture... Funny that, they forgot to add the parts which don't put Chris in a good light.
rite iv finally spoken to someone that use to go to cadets with me and that actually went to the court during the trial and listened to everything that was said. They new chris even better than i did, extreamly well infact and really locked up to him as a person as he help them through all his expeditions and everything else and they was with cadets for 7 years. So because of that they attended the court and listed to everything that was said, they listened to the tape and all the evidence, and even they said he was guilty! I also found out that most of chris's supporters walked out of the court when the tape for played!!!! So james just because i voice my opinion does not make me bitter or twisted or anything else. This comment page is ment for anyone with an opinion. Just because me and tom are not defending him does not make us wrong, because far more people are not defending him even if they were to start with!
annon, woodford says...
1:27pm Fri 31 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
2:11pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon wrote:Did you find out who the person who claims to have been abused is? And if so did you know him?
rite iv finally spoken to someone that use to go to cadets with me and that actually went to the court during the trial and listened to everything that was said. They new chris even better than i did, extreamly well infact and really locked up to him as a person as he help them through all his expeditions and everything else and they was with cadets for 7 years. So because of that they attended the court and listed to everything that was said, they listened to the tape and all the evidence, and even they said he was guilty! I also found out that most of chris's supporters walked out of the court when the tape for played!!!! So james just because i voice my opinion does not make me bitter or twisted or anything else. This comment page is ment for anyone with an opinion. Just because me and tom are not defending him does not make us wrong, because far more people are not defending him even if they were to start with!
annon, 378-882 says...
2:15pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
2:18pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Chloe, London says...
2:49pm Fri 31 Aug 07
PRIVATE, says...
2:53pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Chloe, London says...
2:57pm Fri 31 Aug 07
chloe, London says...
3:12pm Fri 31 Aug 07
PRIVATE, says...
3:30pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
3:38pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Chloe wrote:Hahahahahaha... Made me laugh haha
YES THERE IS A REASON WHY CHRIS WAS NOT MARRIED...BECAUSE HE IS GAY, AND LIKES TO DO PERVERTED THINGS TO LITTLE BOYS. If he is innocent, why take underage children to ply them with alcohol?
Also, we were doing a pretty good job ignoring "boring" just carry on, ignore his posts.
Chloe, London says...
3:40pm Fri 31 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
4:34pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Chloe wrote:Jesus, and I thought the other two were angry! Do you read the News of the World by any chance?
the fact you continue to sprout this rubbish and the fact that you are annoymous, suggests to me your probably his partner, or his partner in crime rather, Dirty paedophile lovers, he has admitted it so stop. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS BORING its the same old crap "he is innocent" blah blah
James, Redbridge says...
4:37pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon wrote:So was he someone you'd believe? I knew him quite well over three or four years and knew not to listen to anything that came out of his mouth. It's not that he lied every now and again, he lived in a total fantasy world.
but yes i do no the person now
Tom, East London says...
4:44pm Fri 31 Aug 07
James wrote:That was probably the poorest insult I have ever heard. Just because she is "angry" she MUST read the NOTW.
Chloe wrote:Jesus, and I thought the other two were angry! Do you read the News of the World by any chance?
the fact you continue to sprout this rubbish and the fact that you are annoymous, suggests to me your probably his partner, or his partner in crime rather, Dirty paedophile lovers, he has admitted it so stop. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS BORING its the same old crap \"he is innocent\" blah blah
Just shows how ignorant you are.
annon, woodford says...
5:15pm Fri 31 Aug 07
PRIVATE, says...
5:48pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
5:54pm Fri 31 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
6:09pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Tom wrote:By 'do you read the News of the World' I meant to imply that she was reactionary, sensationalist, hysterical and generally of low intelligence. Or were you too dim yourself to pick up on that?
James wrote:That was probably the poorest insult I have ever heard. Just because she is "angry" she MUST read the NOTW.
Chloe wrote:Jesus, and I thought the other two were angry! Do you read the News of the World by any chance?
the fact you continue to sprout this rubbish and the fact that you are annoymous, suggests to me your probably his partner, or his partner in crime rather, Dirty paedophile lovers, he has admitted it so stop. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS BORING its the same old crap \"he is innocent\" blah blah
Just shows how ignorant you are.
James, Redbridge says...
6:14pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon wrote:I notice you didn't answer my question, would you trust the accuser?
think of all the perverts in the world that have been caught and sent to jail! Think about all there poor familys that have stood up for them and wanted them out of prison! If the courts listened to all these people saying "no hes innocent" " no i new them so well they wouldnt do that" WHAT SORT OF A WORLD WOULD WE LIVE IN!!!!!!!!!!! THINK ABOUT THESE POOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN HIDING FOR YEARS FRIGHTENED NOT TO TELL ANYONE!!!!!! Im sorry but you people standing up for people like this are just as bad! The courts no what they are doing and dealing with! Just imagin if they let all these people go because people like you have faith in "chris". Theres another one just happened a few days ago that has 3 children and a wife who has done over 90 sexual attacks, and have said they cant believe it!! I no chris hasnt been caught for something that bad but its still the same thing in the end! Just because you no this person doesnt mean his innocent!
So going by what you've said an accusation is enough for a conviction?!
PRIVATE, says...
6:20pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
7:12pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
7:22pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Tom, East London says...
7:23pm Fri 31 Aug 07
James wrote:It's not about being dim.
Tom wrote:By 'do you read the News of the World' I meant to imply that she was reactionary, sensationalist, hysterical and generally of low intelligence. Or were you too dim yourself to pick up on that?
James wrote:That was probably the poorest insult I have ever heard. Just because she is "angry" she MUST read the NOTW.
Chloe wrote:Jesus, and I thought the other two were angry! Do you read the News of the World by any chance?
the fact you continue to sprout this rubbish and the fact that you are annoymous, suggests to me your probably his partner, or his partner in crime rather, Dirty paedophile lovers, he has admitted it so stop. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS BORING its the same old crap \"he is innocent\" blah blah
Just shows how ignorant you are.
You called her angry then asked if she reads the NOTW. Period. You never mentioned any of those over words.
James, Redbridge says...
7:32pm Fri 31 Aug 07
I love the way annon equates 'our opinion' and 'truth', very funny.
annon, woodford says...
7:36pm Fri 31 Aug 07
annon, woodford says...
7:39pm Fri 31 Aug 07
James, Redbridge says...
9:55pm Fri 31 Aug 07
Anna, Plymouth says...
8:05pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Jack, Buckhurst Hill says...
8:26pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
10:11pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Jack, it was two years. Do listen.
annon, woodford says...
10:34pm Sun 2 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
10:36pm Sun 2 Sep 07
Chloe, London says...
1:48pm Mon 3 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
1:50pm Mon 3 Sep 07
Chloe wrote:What a good kick-in by the screws and cell mates?
James,i do not read the news of the world, but don't judge others who do, i work for a law firm in chancery lane, i know the law, james. Im not even going to bother responding, you support your pervert because the legal system must be wrong, this man was proved guilty end of. Tell me James, would you ply under age boys with alcohol? you can tell a lot about a man by his friends. Enough said, im not wasting my time anymore on some deluded supporters who still carry on protesting this pervert's innocence. it was proved in a court of law he was guilty. I hope he gets what he deserves in prison.
Chloe, London says...
4:10pm Mon 3 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
9:00pm Mon 3 Sep 07
Observer, says...
10:25pm Mon 3 Sep 07
Posted by: annon, woodford on 9:00pm today
yeh they dont take kindly to perverts in prison!!
yeh they dont take kindly to perverts in prison!!
Is that what happened when you were in prison then?
Tom, East London says...
10:30pm Mon 3 Sep 07
Observer wrote:Sorry, I must have missed the part where Annon said she had been in prison...
Posted by: annon, woodford on 9:00pm today
yeh they dont take kindly to perverts in prison!!
yeh they dont take kindly to perverts in prison!!
Is that what happened when you were in prison then?
Although I haven't been in prison but I did hear on the news on Ian Huntley was pinned up against a wall and a blade was held to his throat. What goes around, comes around, and if it doesn't come around, the cell mates come around :)
annon, woodford says...
9:25am Tue 4 Sep 07
HC, DM says...
12:59pm Tue 4 Sep 07
The offensive he has been charged with is really not going to get him in a lot of problems with inmates- as you all keep going on about.
Tom, East London says...
1:47pm Tue 4 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
5:30pm Tue 4 Sep 07
Chloe, London says...
1:25pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Trev, Essex says...
1:27pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Chloe wrote:Chloe I'm guessing that you have been witness to miscarriages of justice in the past as you work for a law firm. Are you telling me that the courts get it right everytime and that mistakes are not made?
James,i do not read the news of the world, but don\'t judge others who do, i work for a law firm in chancery lane, i know the law, james. Im not even going to bother responding, you support your pervert because the legal system must be wrong, this man was proved guilty end of. Tell me James, would you ply under age boys with alcohol? you can tell a lot about a man by his friends. Enough said, im not wasting my time anymore on some deluded supporters who still carry on protesting this pervert\'s innocence. it was proved in a court of law he was guilty. I hope he gets what he deserves in prison.
chloe, London says...
1:49pm Wed 5 Sep 07
chloe, London says...
1:49pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Trev, Essex says...
2:35pm Wed 5 Sep 07
chloe wrote:I'm the secret taped confession was made under duress and was done just to get the accuser to shut up and go away. Things taken out of context can be twisted to suit any situation and unless you were actually there when the taped confession was made it is very difficult to pass judgement. This whole case is based on a series of unlucky circumstances and assumptions and everyone seems to assume that being unmarried and living with your parents and working with children automatically makes you a paeodophile.
no of course, the courts do get it wrong!! but i have read the background to this case now, and im sorry prob one of the reasons he was convicted was the fact that he was recorded on tape confessing to it. now, do you think the victim just thought "hhhmm i will take a tape recorder, and just hope he admits something he hasnt done" - no! he took a recorder to catch him out. Child abuse is one of the most serious offences, so why admit to something you have not done. that is my first point, and really i dont think much more need to be said.
I for one am convinced that justice will be done in the long term and that chris will be proved innocent and that his accuser will get whats coming to him.
Trev, Essex says...
2:45pm Wed 5 Sep 07
chloe, London says...
4:22pm Wed 5 Sep 07
so plying underage boys with alcohol, i suppose that must have been a series of unlucky circumstance ?
there are some many factors that say he is guilty, you people defending him are jsut as bad. He was proven guilty in a court of law.
chloe, london says...
4:26pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Trev, Essex says...
5:39pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Trev wrote:If you threaten or behave threateningly toward someone, they will admit to anything for there own safety. As for "plying underage boys with alcohol" this has been made to sound much more serious than it is, I am an adult with 2 children, my eldest is 14 and he often has a drink at family parties and at dinner. I dont allow him to get falling down drunk but I do allow him to drink, does this make me guilty of being a pedophile? Like I said, anything taken out of context can be twisted to make it look bad. If you take a group of completely unrelated and innocuous facts as individual issues then you wouldnt think twice about it. You are looking at one or 2 things that you perceive to be bad when they are all added together and branding Chris guilty as opposed to the hundreds and hundreds of positive things you have read which were ignored. I myself made a completely innocent remark in work about a colleagues job, which if you take what I said out of the context of the whole conversation makes me look like I was accusing this person of being unable to do there job and this could have lead to me being disciplined. Luckily, for me I had many witnesses to the conversation who could back me up and put things into context, unfortunately for Chris he didnt have that luxury and is now in jail because of it.
beginning of previous post should have read - I'm guessing that the secret
Trev, Essex says...
5:40pm Wed 5 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
7:05pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Neutral party, says...
7:52pm Wed 5 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
9:31pm Wed 5 Sep 07
James, Redbridge says...
11:31am Thu 6 Sep 07
Chloe wrote:Nice, you're a classy girl! With people like you working in the 'legal system' I'm even less inclined to believe this nonsence.
i hope he gets pinned up in the showers and raped. Ha there you all go!
As for being plyed with booze, I certainly went to the pub a lot in my teens and shock horror got drunk occassionally but I bought my own and was never plyed with anything.
You illiterate, ignorant peasants make me sick!
Neutral party, says...
12:17pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Neutral party, says...
12:28pm Thu 6 Sep 07
chloe, London says...
1:21pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Neutral party, says...
1:36pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
2:05pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Trev, you said "If you threaten or behave threateningly toward someone" so obviously if you are implying that he was threatened. So he would, in court, tell the courts what he was threatened with, right? Unless you are just making this up?
Also, Neutral and James have both commented on people against Chris, on how bad their spelling is. Doesn't that just show how weak your argument is, you can't reply with a decent argument so you comment on something with has nothing what so ever to do with the case. Oh, and as for James and Neutral both saying that Myself, Annon and Chloe are the same person, it seems you both have the same argument and same ideas, maybe you're speaking for yourself James and Neutral. I've said before, I wouldn't come on this site to pretending to be 2 other people to put across an argument which has already been won.
On the arguemnt of drink, I'm personally 16, and yes I do drink, I go out drinking. At times it can be quite hard, getting knocked from pubs and clubs, and then if we want to go to a field party, we have to travel on 2 buses to go to a shop where we get served. Whereas the kids in Cadets, it's literally put in their hands FREE! Not only does he give them the drink free of charge, he encourages them to drink it. That is totally different to children my age going out and buying drink on their own back.
James, Redbridge says...
4:51pm today Thu 6 Sep 07
chloe wrote:Chloe, as far as I'm concerned the conviction is not sound I believe Chris has been fitted up by a convicted liar with a grudge.
Forgive me for my spelling, it's just you idiots make me so angry, how can you sit there and defend a CONVICTED paedophile. James, im not asking you whether you went out drinking when you were a teenager, im asking you whether if he was innocent as you all say, then why take underage children to a pub and buy them alcohol, that is your first offence.
I was never 'taken' to the pub or encouraged to drink while with Chris at cadets.
I don't recall Chris supplying cadets with booze. So Tom, your picture of squadron life is totally different from mine.
I commented on the spelling because its difficult to take someone seriously when they write like they're texting.
Neutral party, says...
5:20pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Don't be late for school tomorrow.
Tom, East London says...
5:41pm Thu 6 Sep 07
James wrote:Did you not go on any expeditions? I.e. The Lake District?
chloe wrote:Chloe, as far as I'm concerned the conviction is not sound I believe Chris has been fitted up by a convicted liar with a grudge.
Forgive me for my spelling, it's just you idiots make me so angry, how can you sit there and defend a CONVICTED paedophile. James, im not asking you whether you went out drinking when you were a teenager, im asking you whether if he was innocent as you all say, then why take underage children to a pub and buy them alcohol, that is your first offence.
I was never 'taken' to the pub or encouraged to drink while with Chris at cadets.
I don't recall Chris supplying cadets with booze. So Tom, your picture of squadron life is totally different from mine.
I commented on the spelling because its difficult to take someone seriously when they write like they're texting.
Also, no one here is speaking like they are texting. This is what it would look like if it was text writing...
Also no1 eya is speakin lyk dey r txtin dis is wat it wud lk lyk if it was txt writin
Can you spot the difference?
Tom, East London says...
5:44pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Neutral party wrote:Don't patronise me. And like I've said before "little boy" is not the most appropiated use of language in this conversation. A grown man calling a 16 year old boy "little boy" is rather cringing.
So, Tom, you are just a little boy then, aged 16, and a law breaker with it. Oh dear, and I thought you might have been a worldly-wise adult.
Don't be late for school tomorrow.
Do not try and call me a law breaker, everyone is, I bet you've broke the law today. Doesn't have to be anything big, breaking the speed limit.
Oh and thank you, I take that as a complement that you thought I was an adult.
I won't be late for school tomorrow, seen as I don't have it. 6th Form doesn't start till the 12th.
annon, woodford says...
5:53pm Thu 6 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
5:57pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Neutral party wrote:You run out of nice things to say about your dear friend chris you need to start with the insults again. Hes more "wordly-wise" than you from the posts hes put, and hes not throwing insults at people and your probably twice his age! Pathetic! Find something to say about the subject we are talking about instead of spelling and how old people are!
So, Tom, you are just a little boy then, aged 16, and a law breaker with it. Oh dear, and I thought you might have been a worldly-wise adult. Don't be late for school tomorrow.
Neutral party, says...
6:09pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
6:29pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Neutral party wrote:Run away and play with my toys. Wow, there's an extent to insulting or trying to make a comment remotely funny.
Just run away and play with your toys Tom - until 12th anyway.
Seriously what you're saying has NOTHING to do with this page. Don't comment if it's just going to be crap.
Neutral party, says...
7:34pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Neutral party wrote:I have not defended Chris as you assert. I do not defend him, I do not know him. That's why I am a neutral party. But I'm not taking rubbish from little children like you and Tom.
So, Tom, you are just a little boy then, aged 16, and a law breaker with it. Oh dear, and I thought you might have been a worldly-wise adult. Don't be late for school tomorrow.
You run out of nice things to say about your dear friend chris you need to start with the insults again. Hes more "wordly-wise" than you from the posts hes put, and hes not throwing insults at people and your probably twice his age! Pathetic! Find something to say about the subject we are talking about instead of spelling and how old people are!
Tom, East London says...
8:22pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Trev, Essex says...
8:47pm Thu 6 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
9:06pm Thu 6 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
9:09pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
9:09pm Thu 6 Sep 07
He told us a story once, thinking that it came from a man with that mentality makes me want to be physically sick. I obviously cant repeat the story here, because there may be younger people following this.
Plently of other things I think of and it just disgusts me.
annon, woodford says...
9:10pm Thu 6 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
9:12pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
10:41pm Thu 6 Sep 07
annon wrote:Yep, that was like his tagline...
yeh i remember the stories he use to tell us too, and what i an never get out my head is he ALWAYS use to say "dont tell your parents"
I wonder if anymore victims will come out of the wood now they hear about this...
Trev, Essex says...
12:38am Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom wrote:There arn't any victims other than Chris himself, lets wait and see how much COMPENSATION his so called victim recieves
annon wrote: yeh i remember the stories he use to tell us too, and what i an never get out my head is he ALWAYS use to say "dont tell your parents"Yep, that was like his tagline... I wonder if anymore victims will come out of the wood now they hear about this...
James, Redbridge says...
9:46am Fri 7 Sep 07
annon wrote:Yes and Hitler too. Jesus, you really are a moron!
Oh and one last thing, to all those of you who think chris day is innocent, do you also think ian huntley is innocent too????
I went to the Lakes and Wales plenty of times with Chris and was never plied with booze.
You're trying to paint a sordid picture that NEVER happened which is why I think you have an agenda that you are not revealing.
Tom, East Londond says...
11:21am Fri 7 Sep 07
James wrote:You're are obviously lying if you are saying you went to Wales and The Lakes plently of times and he wasn't "plied with booze". Don't just straight up lie. On trips, there was ALWAYS drink...
annon wrote:Yes and Hitler too. Jesus, you really are a moron!
Oh and one last thing, to all those of you who think chris day is innocent, do you also think ian huntley is innocent too????
I went to the Lakes and Wales plenty of times with Chris and was never plied with booze.
You're trying to paint a sordid picture that NEVER happened which is why I think you have an agenda that you are not revealing.
Trev, Essex says...
11:46am Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
12:49pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Trev wrote:No, but when it's evening time, you're sitting in the bunkhouse with 15-20 other cadets and the Boss hands you a beer and says "Go on" slight feeling of peer pressure... But, no there wasn't anything forcing it down my throat.
There is a big difference in the meaning of being "Plied" with booze and being offered drink. Was there someone there forcing the drink down your throat or did you willingly drink it ?
Trev, Essex says...
12:56pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom wrote:So you wern't plied drink, you drank it because of peer pressure - VERY, VERY big difference, at least now the facts are getting out rather than all of the conjecture thats been flying around.
Trev wrote: There is a big difference in the meaning of being "Plied" with booze and being offered drink. Was there someone there forcing the drink down your throat or did you willingly drink it ?No, but when it's evening time, you're sitting in the bunkhouse with 15-20 other cadets and the Boss hands you a beer and says "Go on" slight feeling of peer pressure... But, no there wasn't anything forcing it down my throat.
James, Redbridge says...
12:59pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom wrote:There you go again trying to add a little 'flavour' to the situation. I don't recall anyone ever handing me beer and saying 'Go on', Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. If there was beer around it was entirely up to any individual if they drank any. If cadets was anything like you suggest, I would have run a mile.
Trev wrote: There is a big difference in the meaning of being "Plied" with booze and being offered drink. Was there someone there forcing the drink down your throat or did you willingly drink it ?No, but when it's evening time, you're sitting in the bunkhouse with 15-20 other cadets and the Boss hands you a beer and says "Go on" slight feeling of peer pressure... But, no there wasn't anything forcing it down my throat.
I didn't spend much time in the bunkhouse of an evening, I'd most likely be off down the pub with my mates (and unfortunately the turd who brought these charges) trying to neck a pint of No.3.
Tom, East London says...
2:00pm Fri 7 Sep 07
James wrote:We're going off track, it doesn't matter what he did or didn't do on these trips, well it does matter, but not to a great extent.
Tom wrote:There you go again trying to add a little 'flavour' to the situation. I don't recall anyone ever handing me beer and saying 'Go on', Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. If there was beer around it was entirely up to any individual if they drank any. If cadets was anything like you suggest, I would have run a mile.
Trev wrote: There is a big difference in the meaning of being "Plied" with booze and being offered drink. Was there someone there forcing the drink down your throat or did you willingly drink it ?No, but when it's evening time, you're sitting in the bunkhouse with 15-20 other cadets and the Boss hands you a beer and says "Go on" slight feeling of peer pressure... But, no there wasn't anything forcing it down my throat.
I didn't spend much time in the bunkhouse of an evening, I'd most likely be off down the pub with my mates (and unfortunately the turd who brought these charges) trying to neck a pint of No.3.
What does matter, is you're defending him, but you do not know for a fact that he did not commit it. You have no cardcore evidence.
James, Redbridge says...
2:37pm Fri 7 Sep 07
My point is that defending someone is not a destructive act, but mindless, baseless attacking and accusation like you've been doing can destroy lives!
Yes Chris has been found guilty but I am sure this is a miscarriage of justice instigated by a known liar and criminal with a vendetta against him.
annon, woodford says...
3:00pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
3:01pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Stop defending and realise, he is like anyone other paedophile, he grooms people and becomes their friend, and then screws you over (excuse the pun).
James, Redbridge says...
3:13pm Fri 7 Sep 07
The accused's criminal record began in the mid 90s when he was a postman, didn't feel like doing his rounds and so dumped thousands of letters in bins behind Roller Bowl in Collier Row. There are at least three convictions after that one including assault.
Tom, East London says...
3:45pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Understandable if he had a criminal record for lying in court, giving false witness, but dumping his post load because he didn't like the job has NO relation to the attack.
James, Redbridge says...
3:49pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
3:57pm Fri 7 Sep 07
It wasn't mentioned in court because it means nothing! You can twist situations, so because he dumped the letters I guess he has anger towards the post office, and hates everyone on his post round.
James, Redbridge says...
5:40pm Fri 7 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
6:07pm Fri 7 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
6:08pm Fri 7 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
9:55am Sat 8 Sep 07
And, Annon, I sure as hell would NOT STOP fighting if I was accused for doing that and I was guilty. But, I guess he isn't guilty. HE ADMITTED IT!!
Trev, Essex says...
1:26pm Sat 8 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
3:03pm Sat 8 Sep 07
And how do you know the judge was biased? What reason do you have to believe he was biased, and how do you know he made up his mind before it started?
Neutral party, says...
3:32pm Sat 8 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
4:07pm Sat 8 Sep 07
Trev, Essex says...
4:49pm Sat 8 Sep 07
Tom wrote:in 99% of cases involving alleged child abuse the judge and jury are always going to side with the so called victim regardless. The accused persons character gets crucified and they pretty much don't stand a chance no matter what the evidence. and by the way the judge was a she not a he
Is he appealing now? And how do you know the judge was biased? What reason do you have to believe he was biased, and how do you know he made up his mind before it started?
Tom, East London says...
4:58pm Sat 8 Sep 07
So you're saying no matter what the evidence the attacker will always get done? I don't believe you. Even still, HE ADMITTED IT ON TAPE!
Trev, Essex says...
5:15pm Sat 8 Sep 07
Tom wrote:blo*dy hell, you really don't like chris do you, the tape was nothing. If he had really been guilty he would never have admitted it to anyone for fear of being taped, he had nothing to fear about admiting to something to get the little s**t to go away because he wasn't guilty. circumstances have just conspired against him and he has been very unlucky other than the tape, all the other things taken into account were irrelevent but still used against him. as for the FACT - start quoting all the cases of people that have avoided jail and then compar it to the ones that haven't - FACT!!!
99%, ey? Where did you get that *fact* from? So you\'re saying no matter what the evidence the attacker will always get done? I don\'t believe you. Even still, HE ADMITTED IT ON TAPE!
I say again the tape means nothing because it was taken out of context with the whole conversation and situation. The only 2 people who know exactly what happened are Chris, an honest, hard working, caring individual and the victim, who is an evil, vile git who has put at least one other in jail and would probably kill his own mother for a fiver
annon, woodford says...
9:11pm Sat 8 Sep 07
an, london says...
10:22pm Sat 8 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
1:44am Sun 9 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
11:49am Sun 9 Sep 07
For that reason, I'm going to lay off posting on this for a bit. After 200 comments it seems everyone is just repeating themselves, unless I see a comment worth replying to, I'll leave it.
To the confused people, when you wake up and realise who he actually was, do tell me :) Tar Tar
Observer, says...
12:44pm Sun 9 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
10:10pm Sun 9 Sep 07
Chloe, london says...
3:26pm Mon 10 Sep 07
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
what deluded people you are.
Chloe, london says...
3:37pm Mon 10 Sep 07
Trev, Essex says...
4:04pm Mon 10 Sep 07
Tom, East London says...
8:58pm Tue 11 Sep 07
Thank you Chloe :)
Seems like it has died out here...
Observer, says...
11:11pm Tue 11 Sep 07
chloe, london says...
11:30am Wed 12 Sep 07
Observer, says...
12:45pm Wed 12 Sep 07
You say that you work for a law firm. Given your atrocious spelling I hope you do not write any important documents.
Trev, Essex says...
1:44pm Wed 12 Sep 07
chloe, London says...
2:49pm Fri 14 Sep 07
Observer, says...
9:21pm Fri 14 Sep 07
CH, says...
10:15pm Fri 14 Sep 07
CH, says...
10:15pm Fri 14 Sep 07
anonymous, wanstead says...
3:50pm Mon 17 Sep 07
why would the accusing cadet bring a tape recorder to talk with Chris?
A) because Chris did was guilty and might confess in secret
or
B) because Chris...
what? he could be bored into confessing to peadophillia?
he was going to threaten him to confess to peadophillia?
how could he have expected Chris to confess unless Chris had something to confess?
... was he really expecting Chris to confess just to get him off his back?
It seems more likely to me that he took the recorder there because Chris might admit to something he was guilty of that he wouldn't admit to anyone else.
lucy, wansted says...
10:53am Fri 21 Sep 07
i cant actually beieve how many small minded people come on here, and can be utter prats, and bring up totally irrelevant 'facts' which are obviously not true.
As for 'tom' and 'chloe' who are blatenly obvious FAKES, well, what a shame, that you have no life, and have to ruin others by being so 'immature and spend all your time on a computer.
To be honest, your utterly pathetic,
get a life
anonymous, Wanstead says...
3:14pm Fri 21 Sep 07
good reasons for believing that he is guilty... if he is innocent it should be easy to come back on arguments against him (without just calling people idiots).
annon, woodford says...
9:11pm Mon 24 Sep 07
lucy wrote:He is such a fantastic credit to the community that he is locked up for child abuse! Yes wonderful quote from you there! Probably one of the most small minded quotes iv seen on here so far I think! If it wasnt for the legal system think about all those child abusers that would be running free because of the likes of people like you! Could even be your own child next, you going to defend them too?? But oh I forgot chris is a "credit"! Your the pathetic one and needs to get a life and you need to open your eyes! Its disgusting people like you! Your the down falls of the community standing up for PERVERTS!
Chris is a credit to this community, and should not be inside. i cant actually beieve how many small minded people come on here, and can be utter prats, and bring up totally irrelevant \'facts\' which are obviously not true. As for \'tom\' and \'chloe\' who are blatenly obvious FAKES, well, what a shame, that you have no life, and have to ruin others by being so \'immature and spend all your time on a computer. To be honest, your utterly pathetic, get a life
annon, woodford says...
9:15pm Mon 24 Sep 07
Anon, Essex says...
9:47pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Observer, says...
11:04pm Thu 27 Sep 07
Posted by: Anon, Essex on 9:47pm today.........not to mention abysmal spelling!
Annon from Woodford, you are one very bitter, sad, lonely person. Go and try and lead a normal life:-)
Chloe, London says...
5:35pm Fri 28 Sep 07
annon, woodford says...
6:09pm Fri 28 Sep 07
Observer wrote:Sorry I didnt know i was being tested for spelling?? I will try better next time sir! You loser! And as for you anon from essex my life is very normal thankyou, I am only voicing an opinion on a website, if you have to start throwing insults like that,just proves you have nothing better to say! You people who dont want to listen to anyones elses opinion shouldnt waste your time on here because you obviously do not want a discussion you want to throw abuse at people!
Posted by: Anon, Essex on 9:47pm today Annon from Woodford, you are one very bitter, sad, lonely person. Go and try and lead a normal life:-).........not to mention abysmal spelling!
anonymous, Wanstead says...
12:58pm Sat 29 Sep 07
why would the boy accusing Chris bring a tape recorder to talk with Chris?
A) because Chris was guilty and might confess in secret
or
B) because Chris...
what? he could be bored into confessing to peadophillia?
he was going to threaten him to confess to paedophillia?
how could he have expected Chris to confess (and therefore brought the tape rcorder) unless Chris had something to confess?
... was he really expecting Chris to confess just to get him off his back?
It seems more likely to me that he took the recorder there because Chris might admit to something he was guilty of to the only other person that knew...
clair, leeds says...
10:40pm Wed 17 Oct 07
Tom wrote:i have just come across this post it is vert interesting and i have alot of respect for tom and his views, a man that will not tolerate sexual abuse the other people posting comments here in the CONVICTED pedos favour...deeply disturb me
annon wrote: Oh and if EVERYONE so badly thinks hes innocent then surly he wouldnt be locked up! And as iv said before YOU DONT ADMIT TO SOMETHING SO AWFUL!Couldn\'t agree more. Even if he did admit it because the victim wouldn\'t stop pestering him you would hear some sort of sarcasm in his voice when admitting it. Or you would hear before or after he admits it \"If I admit it will that shut you up\" ... I still don\'t believe it, the courts aren\'t stupid.
Former Cadet, says...
11:12am Wed 14 Nov 07
Suffice to say what follows is fact. Not biased, one sided support. I can understand family members blindly supporting Chris, I really can. If you choose to believe me or not, that is a matter for you.
It is absolutely true that Chris, along with other members of staff, allowed and encouraged underage drinking. I am sorry I dont recall without going through all the posts so I apologise if I get this wrong. But to the person who says they dont recall any such drinking, well you were clearly not part of the inner circle. Which there most certainly was while I was a cadet. Chris did not pour drink down peoples throat. But, and in fairness with much hindsight, was it appropriate for him to encourage it? Cadets did get drunk. this wasnt some couple of lager shandys. This of course is not evidence of a paedophile.
Unfortunately if I describe at least 2 incidents that I was personally involved in this post will be shut down and someone will no doubt try to track me down and sue me. This will be lauded as a cop out I am sure. But I have to say Chris is not innocent. He may possibly be innocent of the crime he was ultimately convicted of but he is not innocent. People will ask why I never officially complained. To be honest my simple answer is, even though I was troubled by one particular incident for many years wondering if I was indeed homosexual, I just got on with life it never effected me psychologically and I was able to get over it.
I also have real trouble understanding why anyone would admit to such a thing so many years later if they were truly 100% innocent.
I am sure I will come in for childish vitriol and someone somewhere will no doubt find fault with my grammar. This does not take the validity away from the FACTS I have set out.
BP, woodford says...
12:15pm Wed 14 Nov 07
DeeDeeP, WANSTEAD, E11 says...
11:37pm Sun 18 Nov 07
Thank you for your posting. I have just spent one hour scrolling down and reading everyone's comments, getting thoroughly confused. You comment was perhaps, the most helpful. I'm a little alarmed with all the ones that so earnestly support him. After reading your comment, I decided that they must have a conflict of interest. Could they be amongst the 'others' that were guilty of encouraging the underage drinking?
It's incredible how they trivialise the Law and the taped confession. Based on all this information, I will never allow my two sons to become involved with anything like this. Not cubs. Not Scouts and NEVER ATC or TA's.
In my view, Day and his ardent supporters are just pervs with a lot to hide and protect. I guess it's only a matter of time before more comes to light, implicating others. They know it and they're Sh**t**g themselves. But that's just my opinion!
DeeDeeP, WANSTEAD, E11 says...
11:51pm Sun 18 Nov 07
Tom and Annon. You must both be telepathic beacause whenever one of you posts a comment, the other follows suit within seconds...Or are you both the same person?!
DeeDeeP, Wanstead. E11 says...
12:00am Mon 19 Nov 07
GM wrote:Oh someone please pass me a vomit bowl....!
To Tom "What's running through his head when he's with around a good 50-60 kids twice a week... " I have been an instructor with the air cadets for 13 years and I can only tell you what is running through my head, how do I help train, challenge and develop these young adults? I also know of Chris Day and his huge achievements over the years. All of his staff and cadets talk highly of him, and everyone in court was shocked by the outcome...including the prosecutor!
James, Redbridge says...
11:54am Tue 20 Nov 07
Ex-Cadet, says...
8:21pm Fri 30 Nov 07
Having read all these posts over the past 1hour I think a lot of irrelevant information has been written.
However lets just stick to the facts, no lies, no games, no bias.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever as to why I should be bias. He inspired me and drove me on, but having said that, sticking to the facts, he is indeed guilty.
His appeal did not get the conviction turned and despite all his best moments, we must face up to the fact that, no matter how well we think we know a person they can always be different.
The story running in the news concerning the man in America I believe who murdered around 32 people and his wife had no idea is a prime example. When they dug the bodies out she was crying in shock and absolutely could not believe her husband capable of such acts. In the case the evidence was overwhelming and left no doubt as to whether her husband was guilty or not.
Thus proving that all people can be fooled, and that nobody knows the deep dark desires of another's heart whether you have known them all your life or not.
Thus, I do believe Chris Day is simply another such example. I don't believe he had some elaborate plan to show himself as a good community man. That was who he was! But underneath that he had a darker side to him, which I'm sure we almost all have, only difference being he acted on it and now he's paying the consequences.
Having been a cadet at 241 for a time in the regions of 5years. Hand on heart only twice can I truly say I just about think I might have seen that tiny 2nd side of him. I do not drink nor have ever drunk alcohol in my life therefore making my memory of events and ability to see better than most others. He did as previously mentioned by others, pull out a crate of beers for everybody, 'Fosters' I believe, and he sat down with the boys while they all got drunk and I remember this slight glint in his eye as he had his arms around two cadets on either side of him. The moment passed as quick as it had come.
I forget about the incident fairly soon afterwards, regarding it as just 'one of those things' .. however in light of recent events possibly that was his 2nd side? Not in a skitsofrenic way (I apologise for not being able to spell that word) but simply in it being another part of his person which he very very infrequently thought it safe to show.
As I said only twice in 5years. It would be nice if there was some shock evidence that came to light proving him innocent as I as a human & citizen of the World always wish the best in people but I think we can all say that is not going to happen and also we can say unless a jury was 100% sure of his guilt they would not have convicted him. Even a shadow of a doubt would have been enough, but evidenly the case against him was compelling and despite the kind part of him that shone through so often, it is his darker side which is what he'll be remembered by.
I just hope he can get help when he leaves prison and have the problem sorted out eventually getting off the sex offenders register.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion. This is mine. Thank you
James, Redbridge says...
11:39am Tue 4 Dec 07
I thought we were sticking to the facts not some evocatively written distant teenage memory. You should write greeting cards.
Hannah, Woodford says...
6:48pm Fri 21 Dec 07
Anon, Essex says...
6:34am Tue 25 Dec 07
stacey, says...
8:33pm Wed 16 Jan 08
Neo, woodford says...
2:54am Mon 28 Jan 08
I know more than one boy was really involved.
If any one else out there still thinks chris is innocent then you shuold show your support and send him some soap on a rope. 'e pluribus unum nulli secundus'
Chris, Woodford says...
12:51pm Mon 19 May 08
When I heard this news I felt ill because Im pretty sure that the victim was a fellow cadet of mine at the time and the incident could have occurred at one of the numerous times we were at a Camp, Lakes or on a Training weekend together.
It makes me feel ill that someone who my parents trusted to look after me, and someone who inspired me to pull myself together and do better at school turns out to be a paedophile.
I hope the victim can get through this ordeal and find some solace in the fact that Chris can never do this to someone else.
241cadet, 133-003 says...
1:01am Tue 24 Jun 08
im not going to post my real name purely because i am still a cadet on the squadron, and it is not needed. I am only 16 and wasnt on the squadron when Chis was, however older sibling were. My family have known chris and his family for i'd say about 9, maybe 10 years and he has been a loyal friend for that period of time. when i first heard the story i was shocked and confused, i didnt want to believe it, but even myself was starting to believe all the so called 'evidence' and i no others were too. this was upsetting for me, because someone i new and trusted was apparently something different.
however my family and friends were at court everyday supporting chris, and i would of been too if old enough. Hearing this story, its very easy to say well hes guilty. but if you new him, and what a top bloke he is you wouldnt have to think twice about wether its right for him to be locked up or not. since chris has been inside ive missed his help and advise alot, and i dont think people understand what a lovely man he is. he doesnt need this grief and i just think its pathetic how a grown man can ruin another mans life, and make up such a serious aligation, he must be very clever, or just very stupid.
after all what goes around comes around i guess. one day this man will mess with the wrong person, just a shame chris is a nice guy, and wasnt the one to teach him a lesson
ningette, Loughton says...
4:06pm Sun 12 Oct 08
I too was at 241 squadron until my parents pulled me out because they did not trust Chris Day. I also know of others that were pulled out of the squadron for the same reason. I am so proud of the victim for figting for the justice he deserved.
It doesn't matter which way you look at it, Chris Day was/is a Paedophile, and was rightfully convicted of the crime with a unanimous decision!
I supported the victim then and I continue to support while he is still coming to terms and dealing with the effects of this crime.
Christopher Day
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steve ven, woodford says...
1:39pm Thu 16 Aug 07