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WALTHAM FOREST: Wife-beating councillor escapes jail sentence
11:08am Thursday 10th April 2008
Comments (48)A COUNCILLOR found guilty of beating his wife has today been ordered to do community service work and to pay costs.
Lib Dem Imran Abrahim was found guilty of common assault at a hearing last month.
Magistrates heard how Cllr Abrahim punched and slapped his partner Binish Karamet during a row on November 18.
The maximum sentence for common assault is six months in jail.
Cllr Abrahim was today given an order meaning he will have to do 120 hours of work in the community.
He was also ordered to pay £200 to Ms Karamet and £300 legal costs.
But Cllr Abrahim will not automatically lose his council seat.
Council rules state that he would be barred only if his sentence is three or more months in jail.
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Mrs Brackenblue, Walthamstow says...
2:07pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Peter, Walthamstow says...
4:32pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Lisa, Walthamstow says...
4:41pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Ian, Wigan says...
4:47pm Thu 10 Apr 08
lolsie, chigwell row says...
4:47pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Lisa wrote:actually i think he just about represents what waltham forest is all about
This man is disgusting and how dare he continue to be a councillor, he should be kicked off the council immediately. He is a disgusting representation of Waltham Forest.
thugery, hypocrisy and very little else
Mr Codger, Snaresbrook says...
5:14pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Peter wrote:Probably the Mayor of Waltham Forest (Mayor ALI) who is a Magistrate also who has just be convicted of failing to send his daughter to school! Two pea in a pod!
Who was the judge?
Observer, says...
5:34pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Kelly Smith, Waltham Forest says...
7:08pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Kelly Smith, Waltham Forest says...
7:17pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Observer (the original, not the one who posted at 5.34 pm), says...
8:27pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Kelly Smith wrote:I would say yes. Grounds for complaint include behaviour that brings the office (of councillor) into disrepute.
Does anybody know whether members of the public can make complaints to the Standards Board for England? My husband tells me they have the power to expel councillors.
Alan Griffiths, says...
8:28pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Perhaps some correspondents should write to the CPS?
The Standards Board would want to consider the extent to which his position as a Councillor was part of the offence. They declined to get involved in the Christian Peoples Alliance leader urging parents to keep their chidlren off school (clearly illegal) for an event he didn't approve of : the Standards board described that as party political campaigning and not an abuse of his role as a Councillor.
The Council as a corporate body is not responsible for the convicted man's behaviour.
sidney stake, epping says...
9:03pm Thu 10 Apr 08
still miss my pie and mash of course, but it was councillor abrahim who helped me get the best price.
what he dos away from his duties as a councillor should not matter .
Observer, Walthamstow says...
9:07pm Thu 10 Apr 08
CH, says...
10:06pm Thu 10 Apr 08
ladypranksta, london says...
10:26pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Vikram khan, e11 says...
9:42am Fri 11 Apr 08
ladypranksta wrote:this just goes to show, just how many deluded stupid people are out there.
i think that the comments made above that are against the councillor are extremely pathetic. how can u pass on a judgment of a person who you dont even know... i think you should all go back to the little holes you have come out from and go and look at your partners and family and see how perfect your life is... every body makes mistakes..isnt anybody allowed a second chance? question your self that!! regarding his councillors job i cannot stress this enough this is a personal matter which does not involve his job in the council. the flagrant support on this page going against the councillor just goes to show that you maybe friends or even relatives of the councillors wife...mmm who knows...just a thought though....
the man violently beat his TEENAGE wife, whom cannot speak a word of english.
he threatened her on a daily basis, maybe you and your friends down at the kindergarden should stick to reading comics, or get off the waccy baccy.
fools
Sidney Stake, Epping Green says...
10:26am Fri 11 Apr 08
sidney stake wrote:This ain't the real Sidney Stake by the way! I have an idiot who has no identity using my name. Shame on you! (at least you can tell by his poor punctuation!)
did inot once mention, that i sold my house and business in waltham forest for a tidy sum and moved to epping. still miss my pie and mash of course, but it was councillor abrahim who helped me get the best price. what he dos away from his duties as a councillor should not matter .
I never sold my property with the help of this gentleman in any event either.
Observer (the original), says...
10:31am Fri 11 Apr 08
Sidney Stake wrote:So would this all be a Miss Stake then?
sidney stake wrote: did inot once mention, that i sold my house and business in waltham forest for a tidy sum and moved to epping. still miss my pie and mash of course, but it was councillor abrahim who helped me get the best price. what he dos away from his duties as a councillor should not matter .This ain't the real Sidney Stake by the way! I have an idiot who has no identity using my name. Shame on you! (at least you can tell by his poor punctuation!) I never sold my property with the help of this gentleman in any event either.
sidney stake, Epping Green says...
2:47pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Sidney Stake wrote:who is telling porkies.
sidney stake wrote:This ain't the real Sidney Stake by the way! I have an idiot who has no identity using my name. Shame on you! (at least you can tell by his poor punctuation!)
did inot once mention, that i sold my house and business in waltham forest for a tidy sum and moved to epping. still miss my pie and mash of course, but it was councillor abrahim who helped me get the best price. what he dos away from his duties as a councillor should not matter .
I never sold my property with the help of this gentleman in any event either.
he was a wonderful help with the outlying planning permission.
now i just pine for my lovely pie and mash drenched in gorgeous liquor.
did i tell you ever that i got a tidy sum for my property and business and then sold it for a fortune.
god, Epping Green is lovely.
Sidney Stake, Epping Green says...
3:12pm Fri 11 Apr 08
sidney stake wrote:The Contributors can identify you as a fool Sir! You are the imposter because I spell my name with capital letters and 'I' is a capital and it is obvious that you are the burke who goes under the name md250 and lolsie. Carry on having fun Sir! I am on a 3 month World Cruise as I am using up all my hard earned cash. You can be an idiot if you wish and pretend to be me. You are more of an imbicile than I thought! I do not care. Keep taking the pills. Do not get alarmed if people try to hug you as it is 'Hug a Retard Week' next week. They do not want to hurt you. Speak again when I get back or may use on board email facilities.
Sidney Stake wrote:who is telling porkies. he was a wonderful help with the outlying planning permission. now i just pine for my lovely pie and mash drenched in gorgeous liquor. did i tell you ever that i got a tidy sum for my property and business and then sold it for a fortune. god, Epping Green is lovely.sidney stake wrote: did inot once mention, that i sold my house and business in waltham forest for a tidy sum and moved to epping. still miss my pie and mash of course, but it was councillor abrahim who helped me get the best price. what he dos away from his duties as a councillor should not matter .This ain't the real Sidney Stake by the way! I have an idiot who has no identity using my name. Shame on you! (at least you can tell by his poor punctuation!) I never sold my property with the help of this gentleman in any event either.
I am taking my own frozen Pies and Mash with lashings of liquor by the way.
sidney stake, Epping Green says...
4:46pm Fri 11 Apr 08
3 month cruise, more like the woolwich ferry
as for md250, ???????
lolsie????????
must be too much poor quality food sir.
good day.
speak again when the money runs out....tomorrow.
who is the fool now
Observer, Walthamstow says...
5:02pm Fri 11 Apr 08
sidney stake wrote:Dear md250 come lolsie, everyone knows that you have now hijacked poor old Mr Stakes ID. It is as obvious as you cannot hide your vitriolic personality. You are an evil sounding person and have been identified as there could never be two like you.
nice try, it is you sir that is the imposter. 3 month cruise, more like the woolwich ferry as for md250, ??????? lolsie???????? must be too much poor quality food sir. good day. speak again when the money runs out....tomorrow. who is the fool now
Jackie, South Woodford says...
5:06pm Fri 11 Apr 08
sidney stake wrote:this is md250 and lolsie for sure
nice try, it is you sir that is the imposter. 3 month cruise, more like the woolwich ferry as for md250, ??????? lolsie???????? must be too much poor quality food sir. good day. speak again when the money runs out....tomorrow. who is the fool now
Sceptic, E17 says...
5:12pm Fri 11 Apr 08
These clowns are handsomely paid for representing us. They don't represent me!
Ginger, Walthamstow says...
5:31pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Sceptic wrote:And the McGuffins failing to Save the Cinema
Getting back to the point, Ladypranksta may think beating women up is an easy "mistake" to make, but Waltham Forest council is becoming an embarrassment. This fellow beating up his wife, Miranda Grell recently disqualified for calling her political rival a paedophile, Liaquat Ali - magistrate as well as mayor - fined for taking his child out of school and then the weird story about a fine, paid or not paid? These clowns are handsomely paid for representing us. They don't represent me!
Joanna P, Walthamstow says...
8:14pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Observer, Walthamstow says...
8:55pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Observer, Walthamstow says...
9:03pm Fri 11 Apr 08
technomist, walthamstow says...
3:24am Sat 12 Apr 08
Vikram khan, e11 says...
10:47am Sat 12 Apr 08
it has just sent out a message to our youth, that it is ok to beat your wife.
quite disgraceful and has brought shame on his community.
inézc, Epping says...
11:18am Sat 12 Apr 08
mr Khalid, walthamstow says...
11:22am Sat 12 Apr 08
Sceptic, E17 says...
11:28am Sat 12 Apr 08
I'd understand why people voted LibDem last time as a 'third way'. Now that's looking like a wasted vote.
KULVINDER SINGH GILL, GOODMAYES says...
7:09pm Sat 12 Apr 08
mr Khalid wrote:its not very funny, do you not know you bring shame on all of us with this rubbish
somer pepal hit wife becose many thing but rely no execuser to do it for no bodys and one day my frend hit wife he becose she no make the roti he and i tel he no hit she for no roti and then he get upper set with me-must go for the consaling relets
Uzor Dijeh, Leytonstone says...
10:40pm Sat 12 Apr 08
Mr Khalid wrote:Hey Mr Khalid (the first Mr Khalid , no disrespect to you. But could you please, PLEASE do some serious checking on your grammar and spelling, perhaps through Microsoft Word or Microsoft Works ? Your comments are not very nice to read or even stare at. Just a little advice.
Meybe can saveded the merrage and by he wife the cholates and the flowars and take for the nice meal say sory for she and good to save the famly and no do agen?
Peace.
MR DIJEH
Uzor Dijeh, Leytonstone says...
11:08pm Sat 12 Apr 08
MR DIJEH
Uzor Dijeh, Leytonstone says...
11:14pm Sat 12 Apr 08
MR DIJEH
Paul Delaney, Hainault says...
11:32pm Sat 12 Apr 08
No wife beaters on council!, Waltham Forest says...
1:42am Sun 13 Apr 08
Although domestic violence is chronically under reported, research estimates it:
Accounts for 16% of all violent crime
Will affect 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men in their lifetime
77% of victims of domestic violence are women.
It has more repeat victims than any other crime (on average there will have been 35 assaults before a victim calls the police)
On average, two women are killed every week by a current or former male partner
One incident of domestic violence is reported to the police every minute
(Source: Crime in England and Wales 2006/07 report)
Whatever form it takes, domestic violence is rarely a one-off incident.
More usually it's a pattern of abusive and controlling behaviour through which the abuser seeks power over their victim.
Domestic violence occurs across society, regardless of age, gender, race, sexuality, wealth and geography.
The figures show, however, that it consists mainly of violence by men against women.
Victims of domestic violence suffer on many levels - health, housing, education - and lose the freedom to live their lives how they want, and without fear.
National Domestic Violence helpline: 0808 2000 247
Sceptic, E17 says...
10:32am Sun 13 Apr 08
Mr Codgers, Snaresbrook says...
7:59pm Sun 13 Apr 08
Sceptic wrote:Well true, so what we need is for people to turn up at next public meeting on any subject and ask the idiot what he thinks?
It's three weeks since Abrahim was convicted, and still no word from the Lib Dem leader Keith Rayner. What fine principles, what firm leadership! What a waste of a vote.
sally, Kilburn says...
8:44pm Sun 13 Apr 08
Uzor Dijeh, Leytonstone says...
8:30pm Mon 14 Apr 08
ladypranksta wrote:Ladypranksta.... please just SHUT UP ! Quit with your lame and ridiculous thoughts about any of us being relatives or friends of the victim.
i think that the comments made above that are against the councillor are extremely pathetic. how can u pass on a judgment of a person who you dont even know... i think you should all go back to the little holes you have come out from and go and look at your partners and family and see how perfect your life is... every body makes mistakes..isnt anybody allowed a second chance? question your self that!! regarding his councillors job i cannot stress this enough this is a personal matter which does not involve his job in the council. the flagrant support on this page going against the councillor just goes to show that you maybe friends or even relatives of the councillors wife...mmm who knows...just a thought though....
Imram Abrahim is a coward and a wifebeater and not worthy of being a councillor. So are you suggesting that innocent women getting physically abused by violent men in a relationship contributes to good quality of life?
Man.... you must be more of a pathetic lass than Myra Hindley falling dead on the wet grass !
MR DIJEH
Mrs Iqbal, walthamstow says...
10:31pm Mon 14 Apr 08
some people reading this comment might ask wat am i doing here, i will tell u why.
A few weeks ago i attended a function on lea bridge road i did not know what it was about i simply taged along with a friend. as the function was progressing i realised it was about this story and that the councillars wife she was present and made a little speech. as i have lived in walthamstow all my life 45 years and above you tend to know alot of people in my community and from what i can conclude from the public they were saying that this function was organised by the councillars wifes first cousin who have some hidden agendas which i dont want to mention. i personally did not find the function of any use or benefical to the community and fare too one sided, remeber there are always two sides 2 a story. a more constructive response would have been to try to reconcile husband and wife bearing in mind they have a child.
the same friend refered me to this website to read this follow on story thats why i am here and wrote this comment.
i apoloigise as my english is not soo good
bye.
mdj, e10 says...
12:09am Tue 15 Apr 08
I don't really think it's good enough to say that someone has a 'hidden agenda' and leave it at that: if you really want to persuade people that there's some sort of injustice at work here, you need to speak more plainly, so that we can make our minds up. Otherwise all we have to go on is innuendo, and there's far too much of that on these threads already. As it is, what we DO have to go on is that a Councillor we trusted with our votes ( and a salary) has been convicted of a crime of violence against a person unable to defend themself. It's quite fair to hope that some private reconciliation may happen - that's not our business - but we still have to decide how to regard someone who is placing a claim on our trust: how can this person defend abused people who come to him for help?
Sceptic, E17 says...
2:10pm Tue 15 Apr 08
As mdj said (and as we've noticed from stories in the Guardian, as well as our own experiences), there's a lot of this going on in Waltham Forest. the council seems to be riddled with secrecy and dishonesty and dodgy deals. It all undermines democracy, and the honest people of this borough deserve better.
Your information would be appreciated, Mrs Iqbal. We all need to bring this stuff out into the open, for all our sakes.
Tony Winchester, W-O-S says...
1:36pm Wed 16 Apr 08
sack the lot of em.
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