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EPPING FOREST: BNP and golf course opponents take town and parish council seats

7:26pm Friday 2nd May 2008

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THE British National Party has won its first seats on a town or parish council in the Epping Forest district taking five seats on Loughton Town Council.

Meanwhile leading protesters fighting the Parsonage golf course development in Theydon Bois, who contested the election standing as Theydon Bois Independents, have won three seats on Theydon Bois Parish Council.

The campaigners have been fighting the golf course plans, the importation of material onto the site, and the hundreds of lorries which have been carrying the material to the land, off Abridge Road.

The full parish and town council results, with the elected candidates, in capitals: BUCKHURST HILL PARISH COUNCIL: BUCKHURST HILL EAST - PETER SPENCER (Lib Dem) 741, DEV DODEJA (Lib Dem) 705, LEN MARTIN (Lib Dem), 618, ELEONOR SPENCER (Lib Dem) 602, MALCOLM WOOLLARD (Lib Dem) 598, Marshall Vance (Con), 591, Terence O'Gara (Con) 557.

BUCKHURST HILL WEST: JILL SUTCLIFFE (Lib Dem) 1,007; JOYCE DARBY (Lib Dem) 976, RONALD BRAYBROOK (Con) 971; BOB CHURCH (Con), 960; ANGELA CASS (Con) 926; SYLVIA WATSON (Con) 895; Angie Blanche (Lib Dem) 883; Haluk Ulkun (Con) 882; Margaret Hollingshurst (Lib Dem) 853; Peter Sinfield (Lib Dem) 846; Barbara Blossom (Buckhurst Hill Residents Society) 758.

EPPING TOWN COUNCIL: HEMNALL - ALAN WARNER (Lib Dem) 973; William Breare-Hall (Con) 968.

LOUGHTON TOWN COUNCIL: LOUGHTON ALDERTON - ROSE BROOKES (LRA) 857; TONY FRANKLAND (BNP) 458; RODNEY LAW (BNP) 413; Neil Woollcott (Lib Dem) 289; Maureen Boatman (Lab) 260; Eddie Boatman (Lab) 216; Raymond Harris (Alliance for Green Socialism) 148; Simon Bullough (Lab) 134.

LOUGHTON BROADWAY - PAT RICHARDSON (BNP) 445, THOMAS OWEN (Lab) 438), GARRY MARTIN (BNP) 408; Valerie Metcalfe (Con) 378; Roger Salmon (Lab) 341; Jill Bostock (Lab) 326; Peter Relph (Alliance for Green Socialism) 214.

LOUGHTON FAIRMEAD - CAROL DAVIES (LRA) 678; ALEXANDER COPELAND (BNP) 375; BEN GLASSMAN (Con) 315, Peter Turpin (BNP) 286; John Game (Lab) 213; Matthew Hartley (Lab) 175; Peter Fuller (Lib Dem) 161; Margaret Owen (Lab) 148.

L:OUGHTON FOREST - Suzanne Harper (LRA) 1,279; PETER HOUSE (LRA) 1,265; JILL ANGOLD-STEPHENS (LRA) 1,262; Paul Evans (BNP) 134; Terry Howard (BNP) 132.

LOUGHTON RODING - STEPHEN MURRAY (Ind) 1,196; KENNETH ANGOLD-STEPHENS (LRA) 882; MARGARET CHALK (LRA) 744; DAVID WIXLEY (LRA) 660; Lorne Daniel (Con) 320; Tom Richardson (BNP) 211; Graham Cater (BNP) 187.

LOUGHTON ST JOHNS - CAROLINE POND (LRA) 1,205; STEPHEN PEWSEY (LRA) 1,195; CHRIS POND (LRA) 1,155; Lynne Turpin (BNP) 152; Peter Cooper (BNP) 141.

LOUGHTON ST MARYS - RODNEY BARRETT (LRA) 961; ROY THOMSON (LRA) 951; LUCETTE HOWE (LRA) 927; Edward Stacey (Con) 500; Edward Butler (BNP) 130; Susan Clapp (BNP) 124.

THEYDON BOIS - PETER GOOCH (Local Alliance) 837; JENNY BERRY (Theydon Bois Independents) 804; SUSAN JONES (Local Alliance) 763; SUE SOWERBY (Theydon Bois Independents) 763; JACQUELINE DODMAN (Theydon Bois Independents) 761; JOHN PHILIP (Local Alliance) 744; ANTHONY PURKISS (Local Alliance) 728; MIKE HANNIBAL (Local Alliance) 728; MIKE EMMETT (Theydon Bois Independents) 725; PAUL VINCENT (Theydon Bois Independents) 724; PETER HAMMOND (Local Alliance) 716; Bob Day (Local Alliance) 703; Kenneth Cushing (Local Alliance) 686; George Howard (Lib Dem) 643; Trevor Harvey (Local Alliance) 577; Clive Amos (Local Alliance) 576; Martin Montgomery-Smith (Local Alliance) 525.

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Caroline Henty, Loughton says...
9:20am Sat 3 May 08

Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news.

A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.

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Greg Turner, Loughton says...
9:29am Sat 3 May 08

Excellent London results for the BNP despite all the muck thrown at them by self-serving politicians, a hostile media and the Labour Party's communist friends in the communist Hope-not-Hate/Search

light gangs!

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harry, Not in Enfield says...
9:48am Sat 3 May 08

So the BNP will be deporting golfers? Good idea.

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Arthur, says...
10:04am Sat 3 May 08

So, all you lefty lie-mongers ..... who are seen to the real haters now!

You are!

You so-called "antifascists" - from now on the Searchlight turns on you!!!

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Bert, says...
10:15am Sat 3 May 08

Well done BNP truth honesty and decency will always win through.

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Observer (original), says...
10:26am Sat 3 May 08

What a load of crap. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi. And if Pat Richardson genuinely believes that people of foreign descent who are born here should all be required to leave, then she should buy herself a single ticket to either Romania or Lithuania.

Hypocritical old cow.

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harry, Not from Enfield says...
10:49am Sat 3 May 08

Is it a flood lit golfcourse? In that case, I might join. Its only the lazy work-dodging day-time crowd I don't like.

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Jaffacake, Waltham Forest says...
11:00am Sat 3 May 08

Harry, you are not taking these people seriously enough. They want people to think they are important. Big important parish councillors. Making important decisions about... nothing.

It fills the sad vacuum in their bitter twisted lives. But now they are out in the open, so we can all know who the bad smell is coming from in Epping Forest. No Searchlights needed.

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Anon, says...
12:25pm Sat 3 May 08

Caroline Henty wrote:
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news. A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
It says it all really about you BNP supporters' intelligence level when you can't even spell properly. Now I understand why you spout such nastiness - you're ignorant and illiterate

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Marie, Theydon Bois says...
12:28pm Sat 3 May 08

Caroline - is this the extent of your political views when you can only see a politian for their looks? You spelt it incorrectly by the way. Is this the same BNP guy who was in the news for having cheated on his wife with an immigrant?

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Mr khalid, walthamstow says...
12:38pm Sat 3 May 08

i no like this bnp but the parson vote becose to many pepal come uk and useded the contry for self and the gordon brown have the no control airport and al the imgrants come on the trian and the boat and walk in and take the monys uk easy and now the brown must loked he self in miror see what he do for the pepal

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G Reynolds, Loughton says...
2:29pm Sat 3 May 08

Well done the British National Party ! More & more people are seeing through the vicious campaign of lies that the corrupt major parties
engage in through their media. They have no answer to your policies, so have to resort to endless abuse. Take it from whence it comes. Keep up the good work, and one day we'll have a BNP government.

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Kate, says...
2:38pm Sat 3 May 08

Well done BNP great results all over the UK.

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Cllr Julian Leppert, Loughton says...
3:54pm Sat 3 May 08

Hey Marie!
If you are going to make snide anti-BNP remarks based on the proficiency of other peoples spelling, try learning to spell yourself. The word `politician` is spelt P.O.L.I.T.I.C.I.A.N.

Ok, got it?
Silly girl.
Cllr Julian Leppert
(elected BNP politician )

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Observer, says...
5:30pm Sat 3 May 08

Elected politician? Another one who does nothing. But then what can you expect from Postman Pat?

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Anon, Theydon Bois says...
5:35pm Sat 3 May 08

Hey Cllr!
So, if Pat Richardson's sons want to marry someone of their own faith (i.e. the one their mtoher was born into and therefore they are of the faith too), what would you say about that integration? What do you think of Pat and Tom's union?

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Dawn, London says...
9:18pm Sat 3 May 08

Caroline Henty wrote:
Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news.

A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
Spellings! What is it with you BNP people? Did you never go to school. Every time a leaflet comes through my letter box the spelling and grammer are appaling.

Please, please learn some basic English. It's embarassing.

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Ann, Epping says...
9:20pm Sat 3 May 08

Kate wrote:
Well done BNP great results all over the UK.
Kate the Debden racist...what a surprise to see you here!

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George Deighton, says...
11:12pm Sat 3 May 08

If the GLA BNP votes had not been stolen they would have had onother two Cllrs elected. That really would have blown Gables searchlies brains out.!! See you.

But next time ?

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nick Barfoot, says...
11:17pm Sat 3 May 08

The reason the BNP are winning is becuse they have a country to fight for.

The reason the rabble are loosing, they have no country they gave it away.

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redman, E11 says...
12:10am Sun 4 May 08

the bnp is nothing more than a racist party trying to make themselves appear to be distinguished.
they talk crap about immigration, but what they fail to realise is how much british people have become immigrants, going to places like austrailia, africa & the america's and make up most of the population in many of these places.
if the brits never went to these places in the first place in the masses, then they would not have so many immigrants coming here in the first place.

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chris, essex, says...
12:13am Sun 4 May 08

Dawn wrote:
Caroline Henty wrote: Well done the Brirish National Party five seats is great news. A Special WELL DONE to the georgeous Richard Barnbrook despite all the main parties ganging up on him he won through.
Spellings! What is it with you BNP people? Did you never go to school. Every time a leaflet comes through my letter box the spelling and grammer are appaling. Please, please learn some basic English. It's embarassing.
Your grammar appears reasonable, but your spelling?

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Ha ha, Loughton, Essex says...
1:03am Sun 4 May 08

The BNP lost two out of the three seats it was defending on the district council, but won five seats on the parish council. I wonder how far the BNP will be able to take their anti-Black, anti-Muslim agenda in issues such as dog fouling and playground equipment? The single-issue BNP agenda cannot be played out on the parish council and it is only a matter of time before the bigots elected to the parish council will lose interest. I doubt most will be there in four years' time. They weren't particularly committed when it came to the district council, which has more powers. You see, the arguments over immigration and religion do not belong to a council chamber and beyond these issues the BNP has little to say.

The reason why the BNP picked up seats on the parish council is because most other parties did not bother to contest the seats and put up a full slate of candidates. They are still outnumbered by the residents association by three to one.

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Anne, Loughton, Essex says...
7:57am Sun 4 May 08

My goodness, have you looked at the voting figures? Rose Brookes, twice beaten by the BNP had a clear lead by a couple of hundred votes on the BNP - the same in Fairmead.

Hardly an election for the BNP to be trumpet about - they not only lost District seats - they were clobbered.

Now let's see what the BNP can do at local level. Perhaps they could start by adding their phone numbers and email addresses to the Town Council website - or are they too scared of being contacted by their consituents who might ask them to do something on their behalf.


Why did the BNP lose out at District level? Because those of us who live in their wards know they did nothing to help us. Some of us had to contact the LRA in the end to get something done.

Despite what some of you think, the election wasn't about politics - it was about local issues and knowing who the people are who will fight for us when we need them.

Goodness knows what happened at town level but as the only responsibilities of the town council are the cemetery and the best dressed window competition at Christmas, there should be enough to keep them busy.

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M Young, London says...
10:42am Sun 4 May 08

Marie you should learn to spell yourself before critisising others

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Kate, Loughton,Essex says...
10:52am Sun 4 May 08

Richard Barnbrook wins just under 200,000 votes in Mayoral election.

The figures have finally been published and BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook polled 69,710 first preference votes PLUS 128,609 second preference votes. This making a total of 198,319 votes for Richard - which we believe is the largest vote ever for a British nationalist candidate.

I love the BNP.

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harry, Not in Enflield says...
11:09am Sun 4 May 08

But what is the BNP position on golf? Did Hitler play golf? Will they let us play after sunset? What about floodlighting?

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Observer (original), says...
11:12am Sun 4 May 08

Kate wrote:
Richard Barnbrook wins just under 200,000 votes in Mayoral election. The figures have finally been published and BNP London Assembly Member Richard Barnbrook polled 69,710 first preference votes PLUS 128,609 second preference votes. This making a total of 198,319 votes for Richard - which we believe is the largest vote ever for a British nationalist candidate. I love the BNP.
Votes from bigots like you, Kate of Debden. If people of immigrant descent should leave the country then why is Pat Richardson (Romania and Lithuania) not taking a ingle ticket on the next flight out of Stansted?

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W Churchill, Bladon says...
11:16am Sun 4 May 08

Hitler was crap at golf and ended up in the bunker.

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Jaffacake, Waltham Forest says...
11:46am Sun 4 May 08

Observer, you can't expect logic or consistency from the BNP. These are people who idolise the Nazis but think they are patriots. They think that they love their country but fail to understand anything about its history or what makes it great. A muddle-headed bunch of emotionally deprived cretins in cardigans at best, psychopaths at worst. I just feel sorry for the residents of Loughton who will have to live with these morons as their representatives until they can kick them out of office.

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I'm laughing, Epping says...
3:24pm Sun 4 May 08

M Young wrote:
Marie you should learn to spell yourself before critisising others
C-R-I-T-I-C-I-S-I-N-
G

You're so funny...

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
5:31pm Sun 4 May 08

Well, I see the fascist BNP lost two seats in Epping - good! They didn't make the gains they smugly expected across the country despite the positive press their policies get in most newspapers.
World domination put in hold.

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Caroline Henty, Loughton says...
5:58pm Sun 4 May 08

Wow! sorry lefties...just tapped the wrong key. British National Party...is that right?

Still think Richard Barnbrook is the best looking politician in the UK.

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Caroline Henty, Loughton says...
6:02pm Sun 4 May 08

Sorry, should have said sorry you really ugly lefties.

Shoulden't you be out doing some ballot box tampering,you very sad little things.

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Gareth, Epping says...
6:11pm Sun 4 May 08

Go to it Caroline.Can one have your telephone number?

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Anon, Epping says...
6:29pm Sun 4 May 08

Caroline Henty wrote:
Wow! sorry lefties...just tapped the wrong key. British National Party...is that right? Still think Richard Barnbrook is the best looking politician in the UK.
No you're still wrong, you spelt gorgeous incorrectly. And when you resort to personal insults you prove that like "ugly" you really show your true colours.

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Sylvia Howard, Hainault says...
6:32pm Sun 4 May 08

Nice one Julian. Your letters and leaflets are well known, and the best. Not one spelling mistake, ever. As for Anon (coward?) of Theydon Bois. Pat Richardson has the hardest job in the world, and l do not just mean her council work either. I can only hope you would never have made the remarks you did had you known what you were talking about. Because if you did know, then you would have to be an unfeeling moron.

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Anon, Theydon Bois says...
6:45pm Sun 4 May 08

Sylvia Howard wrote:
Nice one Julian. Your letters and leaflets are well known, and the best. Not one spelling mistake, ever. As for Anon (coward?) of Theydon Bois. Pat Richardson has the hardest job in the world, and l do not just mean her council work either. I can only hope you would never have made the remarks you did had you known what you were talking about. Because if you did know, then you would have to be an unfeeling moron.
I write "Anon" for fear of repercussions of having bricks thrown through my window by BNP supporters. Theydon Bois is a small place and I'd rather write anon than my real name. I'm genuinely shocked that Pat Richardson manages to reconcile being Jewish with being a BNP activist. It doesn't take much searching on Google to find that the stalwart BNP supporters do NOT like Mrs Richardson's involvement with their party.

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Sian Forde, Leytonstone says...
7:49pm Sun 4 May 08

Well done British National Party for the Epping seats and also for taking a seat at the London Assembly. For far too long it has been deemed "racist" to ask for St Georges Day, for locals to be housed first, to be concerned about the Islamification of Britain etc. Hopefully this is the start of the end of "political correctness". Immigrants should assimilate into British culture not create their own ghettos.

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Jim Mitchell, Epping says...
7:52pm Sun 4 May 08

I'm Irish and in modern language am called an "immigrant". I voted BNP, because Islam is being allowed to dictate what is and isn't permissiable in Britain. Irish people integrated into British society, they didn't set up ghettos, live off benefits, ask for translations etc. I integrated into this country, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis should do the same.

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Reg O'Donoghue, Manford Way (Hainault) says...
7:57pm Sun 4 May 08

I live in Hainault which is in the London Borough of Redbridge. Cllr Leppert is one of my ward Councillors. I voted Tory at the 2006 local elections. But, I must say through talking to my neighbours and family, I should have voted for Cllr Leppert. Despite concerns that the 'BNP' are a nasty party, I have heard of nothing but good. They fight for the local people on allotment issues, local housing, parking etc. Like me, people should judge them on their record, not on what they are told by the left or other critics.

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Observer (original), says...
8:43pm Sun 4 May 08

Leppert does NOTHING about allotments. Most of the local running is made by the Fullwell Ward Tory councillors.

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CH, says...
8:44pm Sun 4 May 08

Julian Leppert - the Redbridge councillor who does not even live in the borough but in that BNP enclave called Debden.

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Reg O'Donoghue, Manford Way (Hainault says...
9:14pm Sun 4 May 08

Typical bashing without checking facts or talking to the locals. You mean Cllr Leppert doesn't live in Redbridge like some other Tory, Lib Dem Cllrs in Redbridge don't? Do you criticise them? I understand he used to live / work in Woodford, and so has cultural and background links to the borough. And "observer" if you aren't going to come out from the dark and name yourself, how can people take you seriously or truthfully? As an allotment holder on Forest road, I say he does something for allotments, are you an allotment holder? Also as a former manual worker, I am thankful we finally have a working class Cllr, all others work in offices or are self employed.

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Observer (original), says...
9:42pm Sun 4 May 08

So he's "working" class - so was Adolf Hitler and we all know what he did. A nazi is a nazi is a nazi.

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Paula Warren, Leytonstone says...
9:45pm Sun 4 May 08

Observer, I agree with Mr O'Donoghue, how can we take you seriously or trutfully if you don't put your name down? At least the BNP are transparent and stand for election - so you can vote or not vote for them.

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Tony Partridge, Harold Hill says...
9:48pm Sun 4 May 08

Are 150,000 Londoners 'nazis' "observer" - the number that voted for a BNP London Assembly Member? You you must be living on cloud cookoo land!

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bobby hunter, says...
11:39pm Sun 4 May 08

Has anyone else noticed how much some on here hate Debden so much??

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
11:59pm Sun 4 May 08

People are often prone to spurious, simplistic arguments. They voted for Hitler. Don't be fooled again.

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
12:03am Mon 5 May 08

150,00 votes? Flies eat s hit - doesn't mean it's good!
Funny how people in areas that are 98% white vote for the racist, fascist BNP, but white people in mixed areas with 40% ethnic groups give the BNP a very wide berth. Goes to show that some folk are a bit more clued up and don't fall for shallow arguments.

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Tracy McDermott, Harold Hill says...
1:05am Mon 5 May 08

"Paul" if that is your real name. Surely it is because those in Redbridge, Havering etc used to live in East London and don't want the horror that has happened there to follow them out? Most of the people in Essex are originated from all the cockneys that moved out of Bethnal Green, Canning Town, Manor Park etc. "White flight" is a serious problem. "Multi-culturalism" is being rejected across Europe, for example in Italy, Rome has just elected a right centered leader.

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Tony Partridge, Harold Hill says...
1:08am Mon 5 May 08

"People are often prone to spurious, simplistic arguments. They voted for Hitler. Don't be fooled again". What an arrogant statement!!! I'm sorry were not all as clever as you must be?! You surely must be a Labour moll.

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Essex Lady, Essex says...
1:30am Mon 5 May 08

Paul, Walthamstow - maybe people who live in majority white areas vote BNP because they want their area to stay that way.

As for shallow arguments, do you want to live under Sharia Law?
Have you got young children whose education is being put at risk because their teachers have to concentrate on learning English to ethnic children?
Or possibly you have kids who are finding it increasingly hard to get a job, due to cheap labour being imported.
Or have you tried going to your local council for housing - if you are white & British do not bother you will be at the back of the queue.

Get back into your PC box and maybe, just maybe you will smell the stink that our "leaders" are heaping upon us in the name of "enrichment"

At least the BNP are giving people a light at the end of a VERY long tunnel that they have had to watch and feeling abandoned. People are voting for this party beacause they want their country back and they also want to
safeguard their culture.


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Caroline Henty, Loughton says...
9:22am Mon 5 May 08

Still think Richard Barnbrook is Gorg...lovely,lol Caroline xxx

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tom, essex, says...
9:31am Mon 5 May 08

"Maybe people in majority white areas vote BNP because they want their area to stay that way".

King Canute attitude to avoid facing reality.

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Francis, London England says...
11:33am Mon 5 May 08

If you would like to telephone the Russian embassy to inform them of the massive voting fraud at the London Mayor elections the number is..0207 229 8027

I am sure Mr Putin will be only too pleased to hear from you after accusations by our corrupt government about election fraud in Russia.

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John Hughes, Custom House says...
12:00pm Mon 5 May 08

I was born in England, my neighbourhood was made up of English and Irish kids. That is how it should be, white people who share the same values. One an area becomes "ethnic" like Ilford, Gants Hill etc - No White people move in. Why? Because they are surrounded by Asian cultures that dominate all others. Asian people are as racist as White people. Every culture thinks it's is the best. The trouble with the left argument is that it thinks only the white working class are racist. It dosen't seem the problems on the other side or Islamic fundamentalism at the extreme.

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Michaella Francis, Barkingside says...
12:03pm Mon 5 May 08

Well done BNP, who cares what the disgruntled left or searchlight say on websites. They can't do jack! The English, Irish and Jewish people are fighting back against radical Islamists.

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Katrina Aidoo, Woodford says...
12:07pm Mon 5 May 08

There is no absolute entitlement for a foreign national to get housing because they are an immigrant. The problem is that when they all come here they have "no fixed abode" and so therefore they are deemed "homeless". They normally also have children or a family. It is because of this they are given more points by the Housing Teams and subsequently housed quicker than a young 18 English lad just wanting to move out. Locals should get housed before foreigners. I wouldn't get nothing if I went to Pakistan, India or Nigeria. England needs to wake up, we can't house the rest of the world - this ain't the United Nations Housing Association.

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Anne, Loughton says...
12:55pm Mon 5 May 08

I keep on hearing about whites being put at the back of the housing queue. How does that happen?

All local authorities restrict membership of the housing register until a family has lived in the borough / district for a number of years.

Asylum seekers and anyone else with a housing need - and children (why should we house single people? will be put into temporary accommodation.

Have you forgotten the Tories made LAs sell off much of their housing stock under the right to buy scheme. That's why so many people in Debden own their own houses and why so few of the houses are available to prospective tenants.

It's nothing to do with migrants - so why do the BNP keep saying it is?

If anyone knows any different, can they give us examples and not just generalisations.

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Claire Trueman, Debden says...
1:39pm Mon 5 May 08

Katrina - you have summed up the situation well. Go to any housing office at the Council and you will see who is being housed. You've also hit the nail on the head about how migrants are classed as homeless and so accrue more 'points' on the housing register. A shocking state of affairs that migrants get housed before the locals. My granddad didn't fight in the war for his family to be behind the queue.

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill says...
1:44pm Mon 5 May 08

By 2050 the English will essentially be an "ethnic minority". Asians will be the predominant ethnic group. This is because a) immigration into the UK from countries outside the EU is much higher and b) ethnic groups tend to have a much higher birth rate than the indigenous population.

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Truth, Epping says...
2:52pm Mon 5 May 08

Jackie: South Asians are the overwhelming majority in Dubai, while the local inhabitants comprise just 10% of the population. Dubai is a great economic success story thanks to the Indians, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who work there. Perhaps it would be no bad thing to have Asians as a majority in the UK.

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill says...
2:56pm Mon 5 May 08

Is that the same Dubai that says that they are not entitled to citizenship as they are not Arabs. And likewise cannot marry an Arab? Truth - although not an apt user name for you - get your facts right. Also, why should Asians be a majority in England? Why should the English be decimated. No English are emmigrating to Pakistan etc.

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John O'Rourke, Kilburn says...
2:59pm Mon 5 May 08

Immigration is alright if it's a bit. Not if it is so much it takes over the whole country. That is paramount to invasion. Secondly, no-one wants to vote BNP or even likes there policies. But, they are not being listened to by the major parties on mass immigration and multi-culturalism. The liberal-left need to address these concerns, rather than just attack the BNP.

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IRA-hater, Woodford says...
3:01pm Mon 5 May 08

Jim Mitchell wrote:
I'm Irish and in modern language am called an "immigrant". I voted BNP, because Islam is being allowed to dictate what is and isn't permissiable in Britain. Irish people integrated into British society, they didn't set up ghettos, live off benefits, ask for translations etc. I integrated into this country, Bangladeshis or Pakistanis should do the same.
Irish terrorists were blowing up shopping centres and members of the Irish community in London were cheering it on. Everyone has conveniently forgotten the fact that Irish terrorists attempted to kill the entire cabinet of an elected British government in Brighton. As for the BNP, they created Combat 18 ("18" representing the letters A and H, for Adolf Hitler), which carried out violent assaults on black, homosexual and Jewish people and spawned terrorists such as David Copeland, the nail bomber. Being white British or Irish doesn't make you less likely to be a terrorist.

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Truth, Epping says...
3:06pm Mon 5 May 08

"why should Asians be a majority in England?"

Why shouldn't they? It is a globalised world where everyone is moving around. English people are living in France, Spain, Australia, the US, Canada, etc. Why can't people move here? Are you going to stop people from leaving the country so they are not in danger of becoming "less English"?

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill says...
3:10pm Mon 5 May 08

"Truth" you have lost the plot mate! No wonder the likes of you are losing the argument! At least the 150,000+ Londoners who voted for a BNP Assembly member will get their voices heard. Roll on the views of the silent majority.

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Truth, Epping says...
3:14pm Mon 5 May 08

Jackie: 150,000 BNP voters is not a majority of London. The overwhelming majority of people reject the BNP. A majority of people in Loughton also reject the BNP. The BNP represents an extreme fringe of politics - fortunately for the decent majority, who are not racist even if they may want more control over immigration.

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John O'Rourke, Kilburn says...
3:21pm Mon 5 May 08

Everyone, including the Irish detested the bombing campaign in England by the IRA, as the people of the Republic of Ireland did the bombs of the Loyalist or Unionist para military groups. You also forget that there were not 2nd or 3rd generation Irish Londoners who committed 'suicide bombings' as we see today. This fight is a completely different beast. You also seem to negatively stereotype a whole community "members of the Irish community..." etc, that is bad practice and loses the argument. It is also extremely bad for community relations, those relations that ex-Mayor Livingstone strived so hard to re-build.

David Copeland was not in the BNP when he committed his attrocities, he had been thrown out - it is a matter of public record. He was a warped young man.

As much as you can despise them. The IRA were fighting for something tangible - namely the 6 counties of Northern Ireland. The IRA are illegal in the Republic of Ireland. Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah are not in Iran, Syria etc.

The IRA were also a regional group, Islamic terror cells are fighting a worldwide campaign. You could also see what the IRA were fighting for, however abhorrent, and it had a solution. Likewise there bombing campaign was more about publicity for the "cause". They would also phone through and let people know about attacks. The Islamist Terrorist groups we see now are only interested in mass killings of western targets e.g. 7/7 tube bombings, Bali, failed Glasgow attacks, Madrid, Istanbul British Consulate bombing, failed Bristol bombings etc. The Islamists hate western values, they are not fighting for land or money. They want an end to western secularism and democratic values.

The fact is the new Radical Islamist terrorist is often homegrown - 2nd, 3rd generation young Muslims. Something has gone wrong with the multi-cultural policies of the last couple of decades. We need a more integrationist approach to ensure community cohesion. Finally the Irish community never had a problem assimilating. They were not given benefits, housing or help with "discrimination" that we see groups from Pakistan etc get today. The Irish navvy built many of the buildings in England. They worked hard but also worked hard at blending in with the host culture. Why? Because "when in Rome you should do as the Romans do"..

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill says...
3:28pm Mon 5 May 08

"Truth" you miss the point. Only 45% voted in the Mayoral and GLA elections. That's not even half of the electorate (even less than the total London populus). Yet it was much higher a turnout than was expected and hugely up on previous elections. But, with your logic it would mean that Livingstones last two terms and now Boris Johnsons win was not endoresed the majority of Londoners. Likewise our PM was not voted in by the UK electorate, he was swept to power by a now small and decimated fringe party called 'the labour party'. Wake up and smell the coffee un-"truth".

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Truth, Epping says...
4:14pm Mon 5 May 08

Jackie: Whatever you say, the BNP are less popular than Labour, the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats and even the Greens. Sure, the minority of the electorate vote in the government. That's the problem with the electoral system. Yet, even under the more proportional system in London, the BNP vote was less than the Greens. The BNP is a fringe party, it is not the voice of a "silent majority".

John: You talk of assimilation and integration, but this is not what the BNP wants. The BNP is essentially after the mass deportation of the non-white population, regardless of whether or not these residents are British citizens, either by birth or naturalisation. They want apartheid, not integration. The election of BNP councillors is likely to make non-white people more wary of whites and less likely to integrate or assimilate. Would a BNP pub welcome an Indian as a regular? Of course not, the BNP is just the white supremacist version of the Islamic extremists.

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Michael Arronowich, Stratford says...
4:59pm Mon 5 May 08

But surely the BNP just wants to stop the Islamification of Britain? One of there Cllrs in Barking and Dagenham is of Turkish origin, whilst they have a Jewish cllr in Epping Forest. "Truth" you use old arguments, that might work against the National Front. But, not against the modern BNP. A white friend of mine told me that he was more wary of Bangladeshi muslims with the election of Respect Cllrs in Tower Hamlets. Why? Because they played the Race / Religion card.

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Essex Lady, says...
5:00pm Mon 5 May 08

Anne, Loughton - you requested an example of English people being put to the back of the local housing queue. I'll give you a true story of the state this country has become, I know it's true because one of the people concerned is MY son, a 30year old man.

My son applied to part buy part rent a flat (he could not afford to buy outright)as he was not eligable for a council place because he works. There were two other english single people applying under the same scheme, and in the same situation as him.

Firstly they had to prove they had a connection with the borough, which they all had. The three of them had gone to the same schools and were born and bred in the borough, so they passed the connection "test" and were allowed to part buy part rent their new flats, incedently those flat's cost them £150,000, admittedly they are very nice, fully carpetted, all white goods etc.

This is where my story gets blurred, the three youngsters all move into their new flats (which is a block of six). Guess who got the remaining three identical flats - Yes, you may have guessed right if you said Africans. But they were not families of Africans they were all single men (at least two of the flat's were two bedroomed). Now what connection did they have with the said borough - NONE whatsoever.

When a story like this happens to you - and rest assured it will, then tell me that you would not be annoyed.

My son and his friends all have to go to work to provide and be responsible for themselves (and quite rightly so)whilst their neighbours sit at home all day watching TV etc, playing loud music all night and being a general nuisance to other residents - whilst our kids have to work to give the asylum seekers the pleasure of living off of them.

Do not tell me this is right and fair, because it is'nt.

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Michaela Shepherd, Ilford says...
5:02pm Mon 5 May 08

"Truth" you talk about a BNP pub not welcoming an Indian. But is there a pub called National Front , BNP or White / Patriot etc? No, I think not. But in Ilford there is a bowling alley called "Bollywood Bowl". Would this be receptive to English clientale, the name suggests not.

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst HIll says...
5:05pm Mon 5 May 08

Essex lady - it isn't fair. And, it's not racist to say it isn't - it's common sense. I have black friends, they agree. They work hard for there money. Why should our taxes subsidise work shy asylum seekers. People like 'Anne' and 'truth' are apologists for asylum seekers / illegal immigrants etc. They don't care jack about local people and the daily struggles we face.

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Elizabeth Wright, Collier Row says...
5:11pm Mon 5 May 08

'Essex Lady' very same story happened to my sister when she bought her part buy/part rent in Romford. She found out from talking to an African next door that they got theres from Hackney Council who have moved out tenants they couldn't house into other boroughs in East London. They have no connection to Havering, yet have presumably jumped the queue on other young local people. Something has gone very wrong in our country.

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Truth, Epping says...
5:27pm Mon 5 May 08

Jackie: I favour abolition of all state funding for welfare, healthcare, etc, the end of restrictions on the labour market (eg minimum wage) and the removal of all border controls. Whatever identity one chooses to assume is largely irrelevant to the functioning of the economy. It's simply a subjective construct that changes with time and place. The state should have nothing to do with enforcing "Englishness", whatever that means. It also should have nothing to do with enforcing "multi-culturalism". Culture and religion are matters of individual choice. The BNP is a statist party, which is one of the reasons I oppose it.

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Paul, Walthamstow - no white flight for me thanks! says...
6:06pm Mon 5 May 08

Oh, you poor ignorant racists in Loughton/Debden blaming the sections of society below you rather than those above (the capitalist politicians and bosses). Fascist parties are good at that - check your history!
Carry on quoting half truths and repeating distorted stories if it makes you feel better. Don't mention the tax-dodging and profit mongering activities of the rich. Immigrants are not the cause of unaffordable housing/lack of housing/low pay etc. That would be capitalism. Shall we return to the shangri-la pre-mass immigration Dickensian times? Perhaps we are.
I shall stay in Walthamstow with my Jamaican wife and white and mutiracial neighbours.
I see some individuals are now admitting that they don't like living next to people with a different colour skin. One day perhaps, humanity will rise above such shallow concepts as race.
Education is a wonderful thing...

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Ranjit Shah, Plaistow says...
6:14pm Mon 5 May 08

Paul education is a wonderful thing. But, it has nothing to do with the uncontrolled immigration we now face. Nor the subsquent pressures on housing, policing, school places etc. Local Authorities admit themselves, it is a matter of sheer numbers. They do not receive adequate grants from central government to cover it. In the meantime, local people continue to suffer, including all races.

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Ranjit Shah, Plaistow says...
6:15pm Mon 5 May 08

"Truth" you have some bizarre political opinions, thank goodness they are not shared by anyone else! We are human beings and not merely workers within a system to make money.

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Graham Henries, Shoreditch says...
6:24pm Mon 5 May 08

Every race has prejudices. Jamaicans are known for being extremely homophobic. Many reggae and rap songs call homosexuals "batty boys" and about shooting them etc. No races are perfect, most are as bad as eachother.

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill says...
6:28pm Mon 5 May 08

People should read this link:-

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/1
925207/Schools-made-
up-of-only-ethnic-mi
norities.html

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Truth, Epping says...
9:19pm Mon 5 May 08

"Truth" you have some bizarre political opinions, thank goodness they are not shared by anyone else!


I don't think they are bizarre opinions. I am consistent. The state has too much control over areas of life it has no business in. I believe in liberty and freedom from the state.

We are human beings and not merely workers within a system to make money.


I don't want to be a cog of the state. I certainly don't want someone in power dictating to me what my cultural or religious preferences should be, particularly a party that wants to force its narrow concept of "Englishness" or "Britishness" on me or tell me what colour of person I should marry and what god they should worship. Equally, I'm not keen on state patronage for multi-culturalism, in which everyone is forced to define themselves in terms of their ethnic origin, which is just the same social engineering coin but the opposite side to the BNP.

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Rory Byrne, Seven Kings says...
10:51pm Mon 5 May 08

For what it's worth my views on immigration are this. I am 63, I came here when I was 14 from Ireland. I've worked on the building sites all my life and have mixed with all sorts. Whatever the perception - no immigrant is widely accepted by Britain. They have to work for all they get. But, one of the recent trends that really hacks me off is that whenever the media talk about immigrants they pick on Eastern Europeans. These people are in the EU, they are part of the same club as us, the club that allows us to retire to Spain, France or Ireland. They also share our same European culture and Christianity. The fact is, immigration from Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia and Bangladesh is far higher than that of EU immigration. And whats more immigration from outside the EU is where the largest amount of illegal immigration come from. These people do not sure out culture and often create their own ethnic ghettos.

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Betty Morrella, Woodford Green says...
11:09pm Mon 5 May 08

The media pick on Eastern Europeans because there white. They're scared of being called racist if they use an Africa or South Asian illegal immigrant.

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KULVINDER SINGH LALLI, ilford says...
11:15pm Mon 5 May 08

cllr leppart---------


is that pronounced with a silent 't''

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Maureen Gooch, Barkingside says...
1:28am Tue 6 May 08

Kulvinder - I understand his surname is spelt Leppert. There is no 'a' in it as you purport.

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tom, essex, says...
8:51am Tue 6 May 08

Maureen Gooch wrote:
Kulvinder - I understand his surname is spelt Leppert. There is no 'a' in it as you purport.
Sure - but the post is otherwise correct.

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Charlotte Downs, Grange Hill says...
1:42pm Tue 6 May 08

Well that's a very juvenile attack. When commentators beat you with facts above, the liberal left begins to try and attack a hardworking Cllr. Shows you how weak the Liberal-Left argument about mass immigration is though.

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Charlotte Downs, Grange Hill says...
1:45pm Tue 6 May 08

Reports today again show that England is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. Far higher than Germany or France - even though these countries are far larger than England. Britain is full up, we can't keep building one bedroom flats and cheap housing for immigrants. It's a mad policy. If we need more workers, why don't the government think longer term. They should put measures and incentives in place to encourage English and Irish kids to have more children. This would increase the birth rate and so help fuel our future economy. Instead we take the young workers from developing countries and leave their home countries to stagnate. It's hardly fair.

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?? Guess who, Essex says...
3:54pm Tue 6 May 08

I dont want to give my name because of bricks, how ridiculous in this day and age. The only case I have heard of was a BNP supported receiving this treatment. If you truly want dialogue say who you are, you never know, you might even make some friends in the process.

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George Black, Broxbourne says...
5:00pm Tue 6 May 08

The liberal-left campaigners against the BNP are often hard core Communists. They are extremely aggressive and confrontational. They are akin to the extreme animal rights campaigners we have seen involved in alleged extremist plots.

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Dave Blackstone, Hainault (LB of Redbridge) says...
11:31pm Tue 6 May 08

Over 1/2 million ballot papers in the London elections were spoilt, makes you think. The BNP may have deserved 2 rather than just the 1 London Assembly member.

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
8:30am Wed 7 May 08

It's funny how many of the pro-BNPers here use the same sort of predictable and emotional language - all with the help of the fascist party's press officers no doubt...
Poor them lost 2 councillors in Epping. People around the country will wise up sooner or later.
Simplistic scapegoating doesn't help. Learn form history - remember Hitler. Use your head.

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kulvinder singh lalli, ilford says...
11:49am Wed 7 May 08

Maureen Gooch wrote:
Kulvinder - I understand his surname is spelt Leppert. There is no 'a' in it as you purport.
a as in ''arsehole''


is that what you meant

and as for you charlotte downs of grange hill, your comment that incentives should be given to 'english and irish '' to have more kids is possibly the most stupid comment of all time.

we already have enough teenage dropouts spawning unwanted children all over the country, and you want more.

daft

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Michael Smellite, Clayhall says...
1:03pm Wed 7 May 08

I agree with Charlotte. What a bizarre and short term idea to import immigrants to boost the population. Surely, as you suggest, the best long term strategy is to try and boost the indigenous birth rate. It is a good idea. An incentive based scheme could be devised, perhaps adding to the current system where the government gives a new born £250 for a starter bank account. Well said Charlotte. I hope local politicians take heed.

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Helen Jones, Chigwell says...
1:05pm Wed 7 May 08

Why should people be made to feel guilty for questioning why immigrants get so many benefits. It isn't racist to question mass immigration, it's common sense.

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Del, Leyton says...
4:13pm Wed 7 May 08

'Why should people be made to feel guilty for questioning why immigrants get so many benefits. It isn't racist to question mass immigration, it's common sense.'

Er...evidence? Oh, ok, you read it in The Sun/Mail/Express/blo
ke down the pub told you so...

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John Ackroyd, Romford says...
11:55pm Wed 7 May 08

No, actually we see what is happening in our day to day lives and get snipets from MigrationWatch or the Office for National Statistics. E.g that the English will be an ethnic minority by 2050. Check out Ilford if anyone hasn't been there for a long time. Once a nice town....Now resembles a third world slum. And worringly it's spreading to Romford.

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Renie Shorecross, Manor Park says...
12:00am Thu 8 May 08

Human rights in this country now favours the illegal immigrants. Why were those Afghan hijackers (the one who hijacked a passenger plane and flew to Stansted) a few years back allowed to stay here?! Millions were spent on that!! And yet a British pensioner gets a few shillings to pay ever increasing fuel bills. Please bring back British fair play!!

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
8:17am Thu 8 May 08

It's turning into a Sun/Express/BNP editorial on here! Don't let facts get in the way of your argument. Confused, angry people barking up the wrong tree...

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Frank Dodwell, Loughton says...
10:53am Thu 8 May 08

The liberal-left come out with politician type answers. They don't live in the read world! My lad is 17, he is a trainee plumber. He had a training contract with a central London plumbing firm and was really enjoying it. Yet, recently he was told his contract would be terminating and that the company would not be taking him and the other 3 lads on the same course on. Why? Because they have just recruited about 6 immigrant plumbers for less money. Why should immigration hold back the future prospects of young English kids? If the immigrants were office based or solicitors we would soon here the middle classes scream about closing the gates. My lad will find it virtually impossible to get another plumber contract now as he does not have the required vocational experience and is so far gone into his academic stage. That is the experience most people are having of "immigration".

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
11:56am Thu 8 May 08

Ask the capitalist, profit mad employers about that. They used to like using child labour to increase their profits.
Fight for workers' rights and decent pay for all like we used to instead of the flexible labour market.

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Jackie Hayward, Buckhurst Hill says...
12:23pm Thu 8 May 08

"Paul" - if thats your real name. You miss the point. The reason why employers stoped using child labour in Dickensians Britain was because of legislation - a pro-active commitment by our elected representatives to stamp it out. Thus, we need todays MPs to stop immigration and listen to public opinion. Illegal immigration is having a detrimental affect on the income of the working class, damaging our culture, increasing the terrorist threat and lack of housing / pressures on NHS / School places etc. For all the alleged gains of immigration byt the rich, Britain is losing so much of itself, losing what made it. These pressures are accutely felt by the average Brit.

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
3:31pm Thu 8 May 08

What's to stop employers doing all they can to drive down wages anyway? Less people equals less customers equals less jobs for a start! Do you really believe that employers would suddenly become all reasonable and employ more people on proper contracts and pay higher wages just because the population drops to...what - 40-50 million?!
Look at class and stop obsessing with race and blaming it on immigrants (which we all were once!). The postwar years up to the 70's years saw Africans and Asians working alongside white workers, joining trade unions and fighting together to maintain and improve pay and conditions. Stronger TU's and labour laws largely prevented them being driven down. Unity not division. Big business supported Hitler and vice versa. Learn from history.
I have more in common with people in Walthamstow of all backgrounds than any narrow minded types elsewhere.

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Frank Delaney, Hainault says...
3:44pm Thu 8 May 08

In response to your post to Jackie Hayward: Erm something called the minimum wage that all British people adhere to. The problem is you have illegal immigrants who aren't in the system or paying tax and these can work for unscrupulous employers. These drive down the pay. Everyone knows part of Nu Labours economic policy has been to import large numbers of immigrants to keep wage inflation down. Why should England become multi-cultural when India, Pakistan, Africa etc will all remain ethnically homogenous? As a white, Christian, man I would not get anywhere claiming "equal rights" in Pakistan, for example. Why should England always be the pushover?! On a final note, todays Walthamstow has become a slum both aesthetically and in terms of crime rates. It bears little resemblence to years ago. Another benefit (!) of multi-culturalism.

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Paul, Walthamstow says...
9:32pm Thu 8 May 08

What nonsense some people speak! Pakistan has over two million Afghan refugess, for starters! Every country - other than those suffering from war or famine - has immigrants.
The Eastern European thing isn't really immigration but a temporary cheap labour scheme exploited by white Essex chancers/entrepreneu
rs. We should be fighting for workers' rights and opposing racism and fascism.

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Cyril Johnston, Silvertown says...
12:24pm Fri 9 May 08

Sorry Paul you're wrong. Aren't Afghanis Muslim? Big cultural difference for the Pakistanis to make, NOT. Those countries will remain ehtnically and culturally homogenous whilst the UK becomes an Asian outpost. Eastern Europeans are not the problem, most of them are in the EU. The same EU that allows our citizens to go to France, Spain etc. Immigration from outside the EU is far higher (even at the height of the immigration from the new EU member states). Pakistan, Nigeria, Somalia and Bangladesh are the largest nationalities that come here. An end to this lunacy. Thank goodness the BNP are the fastest growing political party, membership wise, in the UK.

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Paul, Walthamstow not Debden/Loughton! says...
8:56pm Fri 9 May 08

With the positive press that the BNP's policies get in the media, one would expect the facism-lite party to win all elections, but obviously most people can see through their lies and distortions.
Cyril's a bit confused - an end to his lunacy, please!

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Cyril Johnston, Silvertown says...
9:23pm Fri 9 May 08

Surely the reason why they don't do better, is because unlike any other party they have groups trying to stop them getting elected. E.g. Hope Note Hate, Stop the BNP, the Communist Searchlight Organisation etc. All of these spend money and resources (which is contrary to the rules from the Electoral Commission) leafleting or campaigning to stop the BNP. If other parties had this they would struggle to win seats. The fact the BNP continue to pick up seats in spite of this is a marvel in itself.

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victor marzell, gants hill says...
7:30am Sat 10 May 08

Cyril Johnston wrote:
Surely the reason why they don't do better, is because unlike any other party they have groups trying to stop them getting elected. E.g. Hope Note Hate, Stop the BNP, the Communist Searchlight Organisation etc. All of these spend money and resources (which is contrary to the rules from the Electoral Commission) leafleting or campaigning to stop the BNP. If other parties had this they would struggle to win seats. The fact the BNP continue to pick up seats in spite of this is a marvel in itself.
CYRIL,


you must be pleased now that silvertown has been upgraded to a dustbin, from a slum.


pity your mind hasnt.

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Cyril Johnston, Silvertown says...
1:31pm Sat 10 May 08

Victor - a very strong argument you present about multi-culturalism or immigration, NOT. As for Silvertown, it would be a better area if Newham Council did not have to subsidise large waves of immigrants from God knows where.

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