WALTHAMSTOW: Man killed in early morning crash (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)
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WALTHAMSTOW: Man killed in early morning crash
8:40am Monday 9th March 2009 in News By Daniel Binns
The scene this morning.
ONE man was killed and another seriously injured when the car they were travelling in crashed into a pub.
It is believed that the smash happened between 4.30 to 5am, when the vehicle hit a curb on Forest Road before swerving into the Bell pub at the junction with Hoe Street.
The man who died is believed to be 20 years-old while the other victim is thought to be aged in his twenties.
It is unclear which man is the driver.
Police have not release their details because they are awaiting formal identification.
No other vehicles were involved.
Forest Road was closed between the Bell corner and Walthamstow Magistrates Court but police have since re-opened it.
One of the occupants of the silver BMW 328i coupe was taken to the Royal London Hosptial in Whitechapel with spinal injuries.
A post mortem is yet to take place.
The crash happened inches from the scene where 25-year-old Walthamstow man Bobby Khan died in a car smash in July 2007.
Officers from the Collision Investigation Unit are investigating.
Any witnesses should call 020 8597 4874 or to remain anonymous call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
Comments(15)
MD250
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10:59am Mon 9 Mar 09
Claridger wrote:its a major junction , where are you going to put a chicane .... longer phasing of lights will increase the accidents as drivers will be more frustrated waiting....does the gazette group of papers pay you to comment like an idiot? to increase volume on its sites
This is a notorious accident blackspot.
There have been numerous accidents at this location over the years and calming measures are now a high priority in the form of a chicane or longer phasing for the traffic signals in my opinion.
greyhounds, dog tracks, bus stops,
traffic black spots , your an expert on all are'nt you :-)
Claridger
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11:54am Mon 9 Mar 09
A mixture of measures, ramps and junction calming has increased pedestrian usage. Together with the improved Public Transport Bus timetables, this has certainly had a positive effect on traffic flow and safety to both pedestrains and cyle users.
It may be the case that a similar scheme could indeed work here.
There may even be a budget for this available in The Mayor for London's Transport Budget or as it is in the Olympic Borough, the Olympic Fund.
We worth a look at in my view.
Pamella
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12:25pm Mon 9 Mar 09
Slowdown
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12:46pm Mon 9 Mar 09
Is it possible to clip a kerb and cause a crash like that at 30mph? It is a 30mph speed limit, right? Maybe the police will be able to answer the question or maybe the statement they give won't even mention it.
Terribly sad and a waste of a life. I hope the other man makes a full recovery from his injuries although I doubt he'll recover psychologically.
Thank god no one using the pavement was hit.
mdj
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12:51pm Mon 9 Mar 09
Without speculating on this, there are certainly shortcomings in the lighting and signage: eg no right-turn filter time allowed out of Hoe St into Forest Rd; instantaneous change from Red at Hoe St - Green at Forest Rd westbound, which compels risk-taking. Then there's the problem with the Le Mans-style right-turn hill start across a yellow box to get up Howard Rd if the waiting cars let you, plus all the eastbound traffic breathing down your neck. Also, it's ambiguous when exactly you can turn right into Hoe St, plus the dreaded three lanes-into-two eastbound which make so much of the 406 a place of fear. This junction is a much better subject for study and expenditure than the many road humps of lesser utility that are going into the side roads. This happens because of separate budgets and responsibilities for different roads: the Council understandably spends money on those situations where it has some control, but it could be pushing the Highway authority harder.
Ferdy50
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1:17pm Mon 9 Mar 09
Claridger wrote:Of course its controlled the excess speed limit!!!
The traffic calming measures installed along High Road Leytonstone from the Green Man Roundabout all through to Maryland Point (Olympic Village Zone) have vastly improved the control of the excess speed limits and curtailed accident frequency and severity. A mixture of measures, ramps and junction calming has increased pedestrian usage. Together with the improved Public Transport Bus timetables, this has certainly had a positive effect on traffic flow and safety to both pedestrains and cyle users. It may be the case that a similar scheme could indeed work here. There may even be a budget for this available in The Mayor for London's Transport Budget or as it is in the Olympic Borough, the Olympic Fund. We worth a look at in my view.
Its such a badly thought out system its made the speed limit 0mph most of the time from the Green Man Roundabout which in turn blocks the rest of the traffic trying to go round the roundabout on to the A12 southbound!!!
Just block all main roads, that'll bring the speed limit down!!!!!!!!!
CamillaJ
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2:43pm Mon 9 Mar 09
I am going to investigate further.
Claridger
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3:21pm Mon 9 Mar 09
CamillaJ wrote:This is a valid and important point Camilla. With some other restriction there like a raised platform or calming measure matters could be improved.
We desparately need a filter so drivers can turn into forest Road from Hoe Street and from Forest Road to Chingford Road. I have to take this route daily to pick my son up from nursery and i have to say it terrifies me how little time i have to turn a corner. What is one to do? I am going to investigate further.
Drivers have already been discouraged from the side roads of Jewel and so on.
Stow Away
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7:25pm Mon 9 Mar 09
stowdad
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9:14am Tue 10 Mar 09
bewildered,e17
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12:10pm Tue 10 Mar 09
Ferdy50
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12:48pm Tue 10 Mar 09
Doc_b
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12:51pm Tue 10 Mar 09
Like the previous poster I firmly believe in stricter controls and better training. There is no post driving test training, unless taken voluntarily. Maybe it should be compulsory. IAM and RoSPA driver training attempt to address driver attitudes as well as skills for example. Many young drivers like their powerful cars and the temptation to explore the performance on empty roads is one they find hard to resist. As someone who does lots of miles through work and commuting I see poor and reckless driving every day, not exclusively confined to young people.
I see nothing wrong with the notion that inexperienced drivers of whatever age should be restricted on the type/power of car they can drive not just through the prohibitive insurance premium. Maybe a second layer test should be taken for performance cars. Informally insurance companies sometimes ban inexperienced drivers from driving performance cars if they haven't had some experience with a suitable powerful car, I think this should be much more formal. Having said that I see just as many dangerous situations arise where the driver is traveling slowly but seemingly not fully in control or demonstrating skilled driving and making random maneuvers or turns and lane changes. Driving is a skill that has to be learned and bad behaviours have to be unlearned.
As a member of a performance car club I see a lot of reports by members of single vehicle accidents and I don't have a lot of sympathy tbh, if you're the only vehicle involved there's pretty much no circumstance where the fault doesn't lie with you.
Capt Jack Sparrow
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10:08pm Tue 10 Mar 09
A young lad has died here, lets have a little respect and keep our 'holier than thou' comments off this page please? Maybe just take a few moments to climb off your soapboxes and maybe say RIP fella?
Claridger says...
10:18am Mon 9 Mar 09
There have been numerous accidents at this location over the years and calming measures are now a high priority in the form of a chicane or longer phasing for the traffic signals in my opinion.