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WALTHAMSTOW: "Damn reckless" Arcade site scheme pushed through by Labour councillors


A CONTROVERSIAL decision to push forward with plans for the £35m Arcade site development without a financial appraisal was given the green light at a stormy cabinet meeting tonight.

Labour members decided that officers should be instructed to start procuring a developer for the long-vacant site, on the corner of Hoe Street and High Street.

A series of recommendations from a cross-party scrutiny committee, including that a financial appraisal be carried out, were rejected by Labour councillors.

Labour councillors also rejected further recommendations including a call for a feasibility study into whether a swimming pool could be an effective “anchor tenant” to attract business.

Cllr Bob Sullivan, chairman of the overview and scrutiny committee, branded the move as “damn reckless”.

He said: “These things we have asked for are straightforward and need to be done by anybody doing anything, such as when somebody sells a house.”

The move has angered both the Conservative group, which believes the council should wait until the economy improves, and the Lib Dems, whose four members voted against tonight's decision.

Under the new scheme a £10m pool on the Arcade site will be funded by selling Waltham Forest Pool & Track, in Chingford Road, or “alternative assets”.

Cllr John Macklin, Lib Dem leader, expressed concern about the threat to the Pool & Track, and said he was concerned about the future of sports facilities in the borough.

He also questioned whether residents living in other areas of the borough will benefit from the £35m scheme, questioned how swimming club team vehicles could park near the new development and expressed doubt that £10m could be raised from the sale of the pool when the track facility will remain in place.

He said: “This is an inappropriate report brought forward at an inappropriate time.”

But visibly angry council leader Chris Robbins told Cllr Macklin: “This is an unacceptable contribution as well quite frankly.

“I am fed up with you bringing in red herrings - there will be no closures of sports facilities and you know it.”

Labour cabinet member Cllr Marie Pye said the proposal was sound and that residents are fed up with councillors "talking and not doing anything".

The latest Arcade site scheme is for a development including shops, a cinema, a swimming pool and homes to be funded by £35m of borrowed money and the further £10m from sold assets.

Comments(27)

xexuxjy says...
10:24pm Tue 15 Sep 09

This just seems mind-bogglingly stupid.... I can't really think of a worse place for a swimming pool then the arcade site. Only slight glimmer of hope is that tehy seem to be backing down on selling the track and pool.....

wallycat says...
10:42pm Tue 15 Sep 09

A swimming pool? I can't believe it...the area is short of many facilities, but perhaps the one thing it is well provided with is swimming pools!
I am a long time Labour supporter, but I really don't see how I can vote for them next time round, this whole saga has been beyond a joke!

mdj says...
11:19pm Tue 15 Sep 09

These numbers are completely speculative until bids and quotes are in: if the land is sold to raise money for the building which will follow, we will be selling cheap - in the slump- and buying dear, as prices rise with the economy(if it ever does).
St Modwen walked away from the Arcade, having had a veto on the prime site in the Borough without the trouble of paying for it, and without paying any kind of penalty clause for wasting our time. This left the Council looking completely stupid.
We need to find out who negotiated such slack terms with St Modwen, and sack them quick. Or are they now working for St Modwen?
Officials have left this Borough on other occasions to take up jobs with consultants they had recently been dealing with on the Council's behalf (google Renaisi for details). In order to tempt another developer with the guarantee of a profit, they will have to be offered a deal of even less advantage to us, the tax-payers.
Surely this is a decision that can be called in for consideration by full Council: if not, what are all these people for?
Will Councillor Robbins explain why we should expect any better result next time round with the same failed personnel in charge?

whatis says...
1:18pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Are these people completely mad, irresponsible and corrupt???-How handy to bring this in at the same time of the EMD planning application-The EMD situation is a cultural scandal, this area home to hitchcock,HELLO,Beau
tiful art deco interior,Its a national (and international ,where are there signs of world famous director?)embarrassm
ent, are they doing everything they can so we never get it back: The asset to Walthamstow’s regeneration.
Another rush decision??, on the other hand don't believe they'll do anything, they’ve been stringing us along for years when it suits and then turn round...and on the way do a lot of damage and spend a lot of money.
Sorry councillors, but we are not impressed by your tarmacking the Arcade,it is better but no need for any grand photographs-Its ok for councillors ,you can always move on and take no responsibility but the damage you do will stay with Walthamstow-
Is there not a case here for this to go higher as with Hackney and get rid of that useless/damaging lot?
Who can we vote for? This time it won't be labour-others where exactly do you stand with the EMD etc... ?

Touchwood says...
1:24pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Why the surprise? With 'Scruffy Schoolboy' Macklin and his gang siding with the Labour Mafia what else do the borough's residents expect? The sound of violins coming from the Town Hall is getting ever louder!!

Maurice Stoker says...
1:26pm Wed 16 Sep 09

It would be better to make a Cinema on this with shops underneath and bring back the old Lido at Whipps Cross but put a roof on it. We could even have the Cinema built high so a market stool could pass below like the arcade was. The could move all the equipment and organ out of the old cinema before it is demolished for this futuristic church but whatever they do the should make a budget and stick to it. Not a penny more or less. In fact if the old cinema was sold of by the council to some group or even the kicc church they could use the money to pay for the William Morris or help the local community.

Kevin Wyatt-Lown says...
2:26pm Wed 16 Sep 09

The most often cited cause of recent worldwide financial failings has been a woeful lack of due diligence. The independent enquiry into the management of funding for the Better Neighbourhood Initiative may yet reveal this is a fundamental business protocol that has been ignored within this Borough.

Meanwhile, the Council persists in pushing through their objective to risk £35 million of ratepayer money on the Arcade site, choosing to ignore recommendations from the scrutiny committee for a full financial appraisal and feasibility study and consistent calls for due diligence in the process of assessing the business case – let alone the environmental impact of this decision.

As I recall, one of the original excuses the Council gave for being unable to support the EMD development was the lack of parking. Putting aside the impact of the proposed 4,000 capacity a day services still planned for by the UCKG church, just how do the Council see the new proposed development impact on traffic congestion?

Meanwhile we have to question what the real driver is behind Council Leader Robins’ apparent blind state of panic over needing to force this issue through and jeopardise our finances at any cost.

In an earlier exchange, Cllr Wheeler said a feasibility study would be a "diversion from facing up to the real issues" Now we have Robins claiming further debate is “an unacceptable contribution”.

The Council is behaving like a bunch of capitalist City mavericks, ready to risk all of our money on the next high risk venture. The reality is this fiasco should stop now.

Or does this just re-enforce the belief many of us have; that Labour has already seen the writing on the wall and, in a final act of sabotage before their decimation at the polls, hope to saddle the next Council with their debt and folly.

DaveE17 says...
3:38pm Wed 16 Sep 09

So, our wonderful council have decided to "push forward with plans for the £35m Arcade site development without a financial appraisal" and "rejected further recommendations including a call for a feasibility study into whether a swimming pool could be an effective “anchor tenant to attract business"? It's bad enough to "push forward" (sic) with this lunatic scheme in the first place, but to do so without a financial appraisal or on the basis of the results of a feasibility study in the current economic climate smacks of wilfulness, lunacy and a flagrant disregard for due diligence as well as the needs and wishes of the residents of the borough. "**** reckless" is putting it mildly, and I truly hope they all get voted out in 2010 (although I doubt their replacements would be any better). Seriously, this borough must now be the laughing stock of London - and that doesn't make me feel any better about living here.

Cllr Andrew Hemsted says...
3:57pm Wed 16 Sep 09

The fact the Labour Party wants to push on with a scheme that has not been properly thought out is not a surprise to anyone.

The Labour, and indeed the Liberal Democrats has made a total hash of this site and getting the best use and value for the local tax payer has never entered into their heads.

I am also not surprised at the lack of total imagination on this.

The council has in the past talked about trying to create a night economy around Walthamstow, with active bars and restaurants. For this to succeed we need more than a cinema, housing and swimming pool.
To create a sustainable community centre we also need places for people to work.

Why has no office space been included in this plan? Both Central Government, and other business's from London are looking for cheaper office space outside of the centre of London. We could be actively encouraging these to come to Walthamstow, so bringing people into the area to work, creating jobs for local people, and then creating custom for people who run these shops, bars, restaurants and proposed cinema.
Croydon and Enfield are good cases in point, where office workers at the end of the day unwind after work in the surrounding area.

The fact that this has not been considered shows how badly the people of Walthamstow are represented by Labour and the Lib Dems.

whatis says...
4:22pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Cllr Hemsted,ok makes sense and what is your position on the EMD?

bella5236 says...
5:20pm Wed 16 Sep 09

The stupidity over this is frightening. There is a recession so the Council decides to sell of assets to build something in the most in appropriate place in the borough that no-one with any commercial sense would go ahead with - and also (obvious question) where is anyone going to park to use this pipe-dream swimming pool at the top of Walthamstow market where there are traffic jams every day and especially on Saturdays! Who stupid idea is this rubbish, what a useless shower of Councillors just itching to waste someone else's money - they wouldn't spend their own income in this irresponsible way - throwing away a really important asset to "FINANCE??" a site that no commercial company will touch with a barge pole. Disgraceful, and they want to raise the rest of the money by selling off some other assets too. Ignorant, stupid, irresponsible, and incompetent - and they pretend WF is an "Olympic Borough" while they sell off the only running track, what a joke.

Brendasfriend says...
6:40pm Wed 16 Sep 09

HOW DARE THEY? They claim not to have the money for this, that and the other - and then they waste money on things without checking their feasiblilty! I would love to know how much they've wasted on the cricket ground because they never bothered to find out whether they could legally develop it.
I have an idea for TARMAC CORNER - it would be pretty good as a sort of local Speakers Corner, wouldn't it? I think plenty of us would be up for using it. Waddyer say, bloggers?

Lucifer1 says...
8:17pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Absolutely scandalous! So councillor Marie Pye thinks that residents are "fed up with councillors talking and doing nothing" does she? What we are fed up with is councillors talking and then doing the WRONG thing!

Has anyone else noted how so many of those involved in this scandal do not even represent Walthamstow residents? Wheeler represents Cathall ward, which has more in common with Newham than Walthamstow. Robbins is from Grove Green ward (also well outside of Walthamstow) while Pye is a councillor in Leytonstone. Say what you like about John Macklin, but at least he represents people in the area where this disgraceful decision will have the most impact. He now surely has a DUTY to at least request the decision be called in for discussion at full council. Councillor Matt Davis should join him in this. Both of them need to decide whether they are going to be part of the solution - or part of the problem.

It has been obvious to most of us for many months that Labour has totally lost the plot in this borough. Macklin and Davis should now do the decent thing and bring down the cabinet before any more lunatic decisions can be forced upon us. After all, if they will not do so for this scandal, then we are entitled to ask just what WOULD it take??

Whatthefuck says...
10:12pm Wed 16 Sep 09

A swimming pool on the arcade site. In the CENTRE of town. When there are plenty of swimming pools in the borough. Seriously. What the **** are they thinking!?

kalex says...
11:19pm Wed 16 Sep 09

I assume the logic behind a town centre pool is that people can walk to it or get a bus to it, and will then go the cafes and shops and (dare we hope?) cinema afterwards. Certainly those using pool and track for leisure swimming only could probably manage.
But what about the divers? What about the serious swimmers that have already had to move on from the closed down college pool? What about the athletes? In this article it says the track is staying but the local labour party has told members the track is being sold because it is not fit for purpose and too expensive to renovate? (where have i heard that before? oh yeah, st james street library) We need clarity on that issue.
We also need reassurance that we will not lose one facility until the other is ready. (should it ever be)
And journalists, don't you fancy some investigative work? Why is Labour pushing this through now, in September, when a review of sporting facilities in the borough is due in January? This would surely be a better time to decide whether a town centre leisure centre is an option to pursue. And we've waited 7 years for something to be done on the arcade site, we could wait a few more months if it was for a more informed, consultation based decision. Oh yeah, but St Modwen's contract runs out in December.....

ferdy55 says...
10:11am Thu 17 Sep 09

Theres 2 pools at Larkswood, and with plenty of parking. Its only a bus ride from the High Street.

The GLL centre has free swimming for over 60's & under 16's. Don't know the costs for the people in the middle age groups.

bella5236 says...
10:35am Thu 17 Sep 09

It is really the loss of the entire Track & Pool site, and the inappropriate development of the old Arcade site at the top of Walthamstow Market that is causing so much concern - the Walthamstow pool has good diving facilities and also there is no other track in WF. Overall WF does have good swimming provision, which is super for all of us, but swimming/diving and athletic clubs need more facilities to encourage sport participation overall and in particular the Olympics which we are all paying for in London was sold as an encouragement to sport - and WF response to this is to sell off sports facilities at a knock down price, and to whom and why ?

sensibility says...
4:06pm Thu 17 Sep 09

Waltham Forest Council just dont have the ability to listen to what residents in the borough want.

Residents dont want walthamstow pool to close.

How long before the new buildings are built and will they built? and what cost!!!!


RichieA70 says...
10:05pm Thu 17 Sep 09

After more than 6 years of failed schemes - many during one of the biggest property/contruction booms for decades, this is nothing short of an attempt to 'buy' votes at the next election by hoodwinking the electorate into thinking Labour have delivered at last on the Arcade site.

Of course however fast they try and rush this latest appalling scheme, the next election will have come and gone and ANOTHER election would be approaching before a real likelyhood of this crazy development actually getting built.

The council must ultimately take full responsbility for the condition of Waltham Forest pool (& track) - they have allowed it to get so run down that (according to the council) it would be a false economy in trying to refurbish it.

Everyone except most on the council cabinet seem to feel the location of a pool on the arcade site is madness.

Unless EVERYONE in this borough pulls together and writes to object to the UCKG's church plans for the EMD cinema, we will end up with that building run as a church creating a huge black hole in the town centre economy - right next door to the existing black hole of the arcade tarmac.

At least if the EMD church plans are rejected, we will be closer to getting that cinema re-opened.

Sadly many councillors expect the majority of residents not to engage in local decision making and they assume people will keep voting per party loyalty. Let's hope next year's election actually gives us some local representives with the intelligence and compassion to service this borough well. We've got far too few at the moment....

Brendasfriend says...
10:34pm Thu 17 Sep 09

A number of campaigners from different groups believe that the best way to protect our borough is by contesting the next borough council elections. A meeting will be held on

Wednesday 23rd September at 7.30pm
Upstairs Hall
QUAKER MEETING ROOMS
1A Jewel Road
Walthamstow, E17 4QU

to discuss campaign groups contesting the elections under one collective banner. Yes, we have many differences but we can also agree on a lot.

bella5236 says...
5:46pm Fri 18 Sep 09

Where is Waltham Forest's Olympic Legacy - any Councillors got an answer for me ?

amanda27 says...
7:08pm Fri 18 Sep 09

I find it simply bemusing that our council are pushing forward with a programme, with costs estimated at £45m, without a financial appraisal or a feasibility study. These are the very basics of investment appraisal. A private organisation would not be investing its money so foolishly so why is our council?

The funding proposal is almost as ridiculous, borrowing £35m along with the sale of Pool and Track for £10m. Does our borough wish to burden itself with maintaining this debt as it appears to have enough trouble maintaining its current costs such as the running and maintenance of the sports facilities we currently have?

The sale of Pool and Track, a widely used facility, offering the only diving pool in the area and one of the only tracks, to fund a new presumably smaller pool. So the net effect to sports facilities in the borough is the loss of a track; the loss of a diving pool; the loss of a gym and replacing one pool with a smaller one. How does this fit with being an Olympic borough? How does this fit with the borough addressing its high obesity rates? How does this fit with the council’s action plan for youth crime prevention? Cllr Chris Robbins what is going on in your head?

And please don’t start trying to use the poor condition of Pool and Track in your favour as the councils should have been maintaining it – why is the regeneration of Pool and Track not on the council’s list of proposals.

torchbearer says...
9:11pm Fri 18 Sep 09

Please, please Liberal Democrats and Conservatives, why can't you work together and put your differences aside for the good of the Borough? This can put a well deserved end to Labour's misrule and stranglehold on the borough over many years. This includes sorting out the Arcade mess.

Many of us were staggered that Lib Dems wouldn't lead the Council back in 2006 when a golden opportunity showed itself, instead of propping up the dead hand of Labour. You can still pull the plug on Labour with courage and forebearance.

Maurice Stoker says...
1:20pm Sat 19 Sep 09

The popcorn mountain gets bigger as the delay on the EMD continues and surely it could be stored temporarily on the Arcade Site and moved by digger?

Bouncy castles are one thing but the real issues are far more important.

Brendasfriend says...
11:46pm Sat 19 Sep 09

It seems that all this is really the work of one person, I don't need to name him, do I? He really isn't bright enough for the job, doesn't understand the issues but bullies and blusters to get his own way. It's he that is refusing the feasibility study apparently. I've given up on Labour but I really think it's time Labour gave up on him! They have a bad enough name already without him bringing it down further.

Cllr Matt Davis says...
12:56pm Sun 20 Sep 09

For the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever the Conservatives on Waltham Forest Council are totally opposed to this foolish and ill thought through scheme and, yes, we are talking to the LibDems about how we can go about working together to stop it.

whatis says...
4:26pm Mon 21 Sep 09

Cllr Matt Davis,and what are your views/you doing about the EMD?
Cllr Hemsted ?




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