WALTHAMSTOW: Grandmother to claim compensation after fall on ice

AN ILL grandmother who was taken to hospital after slipping and falling on an ungritted road is to seek compensation from Waltham Forest Council.

Marianne Jones, 55, of Mount Pleasant Road, Walthamstow, who is suffering from severe bronchitis, was walking to the doctor's surgery in Penrhyn Avenue when she slipped on black ice. She was taken to Whipps Cross University Hospital where she was treated for concussion and a cut to the head.

She said: “I had already slipped about three times and decided to cross the road to see whether it was any better on the other side.

“But when I stepped out I felt my feet go from under me and my head hit the road.

“I felt giddy and scared, two men helped me to my feet and a lady called Maria waited with me for an ambulance.”

She said she is still feeling the effects of the accident, which happened on December 23.

She added: “The doctor said the symptoms can last a while, I still feel dizzy, I don't want to wash my hair because if I put my head down I feel giddy.”

Mrs Jones is angry that many of the roads in the area were not gritted despite the freezing conditions.

She said: “It is very bad, lots of people use the roads near the doctor's surgery.”

Mrs Jones said she wants to thank the two men who helped her to her feet following the accident.

Details of Mrs Jones' accident have emerged after the authority was criticised for not adequately gritting the roads.

Cllr Matt Davis, Conservative group leader, said the authority had failed to take “basic, common sense precautions” in not gritting the roads ahead of the cold weather, or ensuring grit bins were filled.

Guardian readers reported seeing cars sliding off roads around Kings Head Hill, Chingford, and an elderly woman was left lying in the snow for 45 minutes with a broken arm.

A council spokesman said six gritters were out prioritising routes to hospitals, bus stations, hilly routes and main roads.

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2:37pm Mon 4 Jan 10

Pamella says...

She would, wouldnt she?

Much as I deplore this useless council for its lack of attention to basic services, this culture of claiming compensation for every small thing that goes wrong is just pure opportunism and greed.
She would, wouldnt she? Much as I deplore this useless council for its lack of attention to basic services, this culture of claiming compensation for every small thing that goes wrong is just pure opportunism and greed. Pamella
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4:56pm Mon 4 Jan 10

Robert19 says...

I am obviously sympathetic to anyone who has had a fall in the ice and snow. However I agree with Pamella in that this is a very dangerous precedent. If everyone claimed from the Council for falling and hurting themselves on ice it could mean that we would all have higher Council Tax bills to pay for it. It would also mean the Council having to grit every bit of public highway and pathway in the borough as soon as possible. It could also lead to people deliberately falling in order to claim compensation. Whatever you think of the Council's attempts to grit, it is an impossible task to make venturing out in icy conditions entirely risk free. I am glad to say that these attempts rarely end in compensation - otherwise if you are a houseowner you could end up being sued for a fall on your property or land where people have access.
Another result of lawyers pushing no win no fee compensation claims and hooking in a few greedy people.
I am obviously sympathetic to anyone who has had a fall in the ice and snow. However I agree with Pamella in that this is a very dangerous precedent. If everyone claimed from the Council for falling and hurting themselves on ice it could mean that we would all have higher Council Tax bills to pay for it. It would also mean the Council having to grit every bit of public highway and pathway in the borough as soon as possible. It could also lead to people deliberately falling in order to claim compensation. Whatever you think of the Council's attempts to grit, it is an impossible task to make venturing out in icy conditions entirely risk free. I am glad to say that these attempts rarely end in compensation - otherwise if you are a houseowner you could end up being sued for a fall on your property or land where people have access. Another result of lawyers pushing no win no fee compensation claims and hooking in a few greedy people. Robert19
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4:56pm Mon 4 Jan 10

Robert19 says...

I am obviously sympathetic to anyone who has had a fall in the ice and snow. However I agree with Pamella in that this is a very dangerous precedent. If everyone claimed from the Council for falling and hurting themselves on ice it could mean that we would all have higher Council Tax bills to pay for it. It would also mean the Council having to grit every bit of public highway and pathway in the borough as soon as possible. It could also lead to people deliberately falling in order to claim compensation. Whatever you think of the Council's attempts to grit, it is an impossible task to make venturing out in icy conditions entirely risk free. I am glad to say that these attempts rarely end in compensation - otherwise if you are a houseowner you could end up being sued for a fall on your property or land where people have access.
Another result of lawyers pushing no win no fee compensation claims and hooking in a few greedy people.
I am obviously sympathetic to anyone who has had a fall in the ice and snow. However I agree with Pamella in that this is a very dangerous precedent. If everyone claimed from the Council for falling and hurting themselves on ice it could mean that we would all have higher Council Tax bills to pay for it. It would also mean the Council having to grit every bit of public highway and pathway in the borough as soon as possible. It could also lead to people deliberately falling in order to claim compensation. Whatever you think of the Council's attempts to grit, it is an impossible task to make venturing out in icy conditions entirely risk free. I am glad to say that these attempts rarely end in compensation - otherwise if you are a houseowner you could end up being sued for a fall on your property or land where people have access. Another result of lawyers pushing no win no fee compensation claims and hooking in a few greedy people. Robert19
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5:10pm Mon 4 Jan 10

Seeing Sense says...

Sounds like she's had a few too many knocks on the head already if she doesn't know to take extra care on days when there's snow and ice on the ground!
Sounds like she's had a few too many knocks on the head already if she doesn't know to take extra care on days when there's snow and ice on the ground! Seeing Sense
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5:14pm Mon 4 Jan 10

Walthamstow noob says...

I'm torn on the issue. On one hand I agree that it feels like we have a compensation culture that is destroying any sense of personal responsibility. On the other hand it also seems that we live in a country where nearly all organisations, whether private companies or government agencies, refuse to accept any responsibility themselves for anything or admit any kind of mistake. They will only ever admit the bare minimum (or blame 'the system') and usually only if shamed in the national media. The government only confuse the issue by trying to intrude in every aspect of our lives and nanny us into total reliance on them for everything. The only language many organisations now understand is money, and sometimes the only way to make yourself heard is to hurt their bottom line.
I'm torn on the issue. On one hand I agree that it feels like we have a compensation culture that is destroying any sense of personal responsibility. On the other hand it also seems that we live in a country where nearly all organisations, whether private companies or government agencies, refuse to accept any responsibility themselves for anything or admit any kind of mistake. They will only ever admit the bare minimum (or blame 'the system') and usually only if shamed in the national media. The government only confuse the issue by trying to intrude in every aspect of our lives and nanny us into total reliance on them for everything. The only language many organisations now understand is money, and sometimes the only way to make yourself heard is to hurt their bottom line. Walthamstow noob
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9:41am Tue 5 Jan 10

Sigi from Walthamstow says...

It's good that finally somebody is sueing this council. I have seen so many people fall.

There was NO gritting in my area in December.
Thus I sent an email to WF Council and Cllr Belam and others on the 23rd of December 09. Please note that I express concern for the safety of our elderly residents.

"Dear Cllr Bob Belam,

I have tried to clear the road in front of my house but there is only so much residents can do.

People come home late from work and from shopping, and we and simply do have not the time to drive or walk to Homebase to buy gritting material or salt.

I am expecting an elderly friend today and I am very worried that he might fall when entering .. (name of my road).

And no - I AM PHYSICALLY NOT ABLE to remove all the ice from my street.
I enclose two photos. And if you look at them you will see why.

Why are the streetsweepers not out and about and gritting our roads?

Why have I not seen a single gritter in Walthamstow Village?

Are we pedestrians second class citizens and less important than cars?

Have you been to any doctor's surgery recently?
Then you will have noticed that many of our elderly neighbours simply don't DARE to leave their homes.

Incompetent street maintenance has a massive knock on effect - it means missed hospital appointments.

And does the health and safety of our elderly residents not count?

I enclose two photos I took this morning at the corner of .. (my road ) and Church Lane.

The whole area is a sheet of ice.
It is melting now but there are more cold nights ahead and from five and six o'clock in the evening the area will be a danger zone again.

You say - you can not do much more.
I suggest to get the streetcleaners out into our roads.
Let them do gritting instead of sweeping and make sure WF residents are safe."
etc etc.
It's good that finally somebody is sueing this council. I have seen so many people fall. There was NO gritting in my area in December. Thus I sent an email to WF Council and Cllr Belam and others on the 23rd of December 09. Please note that I express concern for the safety of our elderly residents. "Dear Cllr Bob Belam, I have tried to clear the road in front of my house but there is only so much residents can do. People come home late from work and from shopping, and we and simply do have not the time to drive or walk to Homebase to buy gritting material or salt. I am expecting an elderly friend today and I am very worried that he might fall when entering .. (name of my road). And no - I AM PHYSICALLY NOT ABLE to remove all the ice from my street. I enclose two photos. And if you look at them you will see why. Why are the streetsweepers not out and about and gritting our roads? Why have I not seen a single gritter in Walthamstow Village? Are we pedestrians second class citizens and less important than cars? Have you been to any doctor's surgery recently? Then you will have noticed that many of our elderly neighbours simply don't DARE to leave their homes. Incompetent street maintenance has a massive knock on effect - it means missed hospital appointments. And does the health and safety of our elderly residents not count? I enclose two photos I took this morning at the corner of .. (my road ) and Church Lane. The whole area is a sheet of ice. It is melting now but there are more cold nights ahead and from five and six o'clock in the evening the area will be a danger zone again. You say - you can not do much more. I suggest to get the streetcleaners out into our roads. Let them do gritting instead of sweeping and make sure WF residents are safe." etc etc. Sigi from Walthamstow
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9:52am Tue 5 Jan 10

Sigi from Walthamstow says...

The council has a number of salt bins - my nearest one is about half a mile away!!!!
And when it's icy there is no way I can get to the salt bin and back to my road with the salt.

Here is the list anyway:
http://www.walthamfo
rest.gov.uk/wfgrit-b
in-locations.pdf
The council has a number of salt bins - my nearest one is about half a mile away!!!! And when it's icy there is no way I can get to the salt bin and back to my road with the salt. Here is the list anyway: http://www.walthamfo rest.gov.uk/wfgrit-b in-locations.pdf Sigi from Walthamstow
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10:14am Tue 5 Jan 10

Walthamstow noob says...

My local geography's still not great but I can't see any salt bins along Markhouse Road on that list.
My local geography's still not great but I can't see any salt bins along Markhouse Road on that list. Walthamstow noob
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10:29am Tue 5 Jan 10

mr rusty says...

Another silly blown out of proportion non-story....what exactly is she going to be 'sueing' the council for? A cut on the head? Compensation claims are for people who have serious injuries which prevent them earning a living, not cuts and bruises. There's also the evocative use of the term 'grandmother' implying someone old and frail...yet she's only a 55 year old woman with a cold!! I look forward to hearing how much compensation she gets!!!
Another silly blown out of proportion non-story....what exactly is she going to be 'sueing' the council for? A cut on the head? Compensation claims are for people who have serious injuries which prevent them earning a living, not cuts and bruises. There's also the evocative use of the term 'grandmother' implying someone old and frail...yet she's only a 55 year old woman with a cold!! I look forward to hearing how much compensation she gets!!! mr rusty
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10:36am Tue 5 Jan 10

Sigi from Walthamstow says...

Mr Rusty
this is NOT a silly blown out of proportion story. I am hopping mad about the gritting situation here.

I had so MANY near falls - and I am young and healthy.
But you can really hurt your back when you slither along our ridiculous roads. And that hurts like hell.

So more power to the elbow of our young grandmother!!!!
Mr Rusty this is NOT a silly blown out of proportion story. I am hopping mad about the gritting situation here. I had so MANY near falls - and I am young and healthy. But you can really hurt your back when you slither along our ridiculous roads. And that hurts like hell. So more power to the elbow of our young grandmother!!!! Sigi from Walthamstow
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2:44pm Tue 5 Jan 10

Robert19 says...

What people forget when they support someone suing Councils because they have fallen on ice and suffered minor injuries, even if unsuccessful, it costs Councils money to defend these actions. Where does this money come from? Council budgets. If that is what you want, so be it. But it means less for other services as a result. I would rather the money is spent on schools, older people, gritting or whatever rather than lawyer's fees.
I don't have any problem where there is a clear and serious case of maladministration but this isn't one of those cases.
What people forget when they support someone suing Councils because they have fallen on ice and suffered minor injuries, even if unsuccessful, it costs Councils money to defend these actions. Where does this money come from? Council budgets. If that is what you want, so be it. But it means less for other services as a result. I would rather the money is spent on schools, older people, gritting or whatever rather than lawyer's fees. I don't have any problem where there is a clear and serious case of maladministration but this isn't one of those cases. Robert19
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5:52pm Tue 5 Jan 10

ferdy55 says...

With regard to the letter Sigi wrote, starting with
"Dear Cllr Bob Belam,
I have tried to clear the road in front of my house but there is only so much residents can do."

I was listening to a solicitor on the radio yesterday who state that if residents did this & people slipped over it would be them that could be sued, not the council. I would only clear my own drive.

With regard to the woman that wants to join the "compensashun" brigade, I think the only people that deserve it are the soldiers injured in Afghanistan or Iraq.
With regard to the letter Sigi wrote, starting with "Dear Cllr Bob Belam, I have tried to clear the road in front of my house but there is only so much residents can do." I was listening to a solicitor on the radio yesterday who state that if residents did this & people slipped over it would be them that could be sued, not the council. I would only clear my own drive. With regard to the woman that wants to join the "compensashun" brigade, I think the only people that deserve it are the soldiers injured in Afghanistan or Iraq. ferdy55
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7:04pm Tue 5 Jan 10

larry g says...

Sigi from Walthamstow wrote:
Mr Rusty this is NOT a silly blown out of proportion story. I am hopping mad about the gritting situation here. I had so MANY near falls - and I am young and healthy. But you can really hurt your back when you slither along our ridiculous roads. And that hurts like hell. So more power to the elbow of our young grandmother!!!!
one word= prat.,

probably a great grandmother btw
[quote][p][bold]Sigi from Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Mr Rusty this is NOT a silly blown out of proportion story. I am hopping mad about the gritting situation here. I had so MANY near falls - and I am young and healthy. But you can really hurt your back when you slither along our ridiculous roads. And that hurts like hell. So more power to the elbow of our young grandmother!!!![/p][/quote]one word= prat., probably a great grandmother btw larry g
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9:29pm Tue 5 Jan 10

SC82 says...

When is common sense going to kick in... you can blame the council for many things but you can't blame them for the weather....
When the council do grit and I agree that there maybe an argument that they could do more but when they do they don't do the pavements so extra care needs to be taken, I slipped over in the ice just before xmas but hey ho accidents happen I don't blame the council.
And don't we all pay enough council tax without adding to the risk of it being put up to pay for claims like this. I would rather my money go towards the services that need it like children, schools, the elderly etc.
Sure sue the council when you have a valid claim but t0 blame the council and sue for the weather is to going a bit to far......
When is common sense going to kick in... you can blame the council for many things but you can't blame them for the weather.... When the council do grit and I agree that there maybe an argument that they could do more but when they do they don't do the pavements so extra care needs to be taken, I slipped over in the ice just before xmas but hey ho accidents happen I don't blame the council. And don't we all pay enough council tax without adding to the risk of it being put up to pay for claims like this. I would rather my money go towards the services that need it like children, schools, the elderly etc. Sure sue the council when you have a valid claim but t0 blame the council and sue for the weather is to going a bit to far...... SC82
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11:57pm Tue 5 Jan 10

BarryTLemur says...

If she is going to claim compensation she had better get her skates on.
If she is going to claim compensation she had better get her skates on. BarryTLemur
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10:29am Wed 6 Jan 10

mr rusty says...

Larry g, could you expand upon your 'comment' please? It's not too clear what you're trying to say.
Larry g, could you expand upon your 'comment' please? It's not too clear what you're trying to say. mr rusty
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1:13pm Wed 6 Jan 10

Walthamstow noob says...

While I can understand the argument that compensation claims could lead to increased council tax, I think Labour's wrecking of the economy has guaranteed that already.

Locally we have a council who it seems habitually waste and mis-manage millions of pounds of taxpayer's money. Do we see anyone taking personal responsibility for the millions wasted on the arcade site, or the recent LDA report? The amount of money incompetently (and in come cases fraudulently) managed in this borough puts a few compensation claims to shame. This was money that could or should have been spent on children, schools and education etc...

If this lady fails in her claim, all she has to show for it is a concussion. When our political masters fail in their duties, they can blame the system and carry on, or retire on a fat pension.
While I can understand the argument that compensation claims could lead to increased council tax, I think Labour's wrecking of the economy has guaranteed that already. Locally we have a council who it seems habitually waste and mis-manage millions of pounds of taxpayer's money. Do we see anyone taking personal responsibility for the millions wasted on the arcade site, or the recent LDA report? The amount of money incompetently (and in come cases fraudulently) managed in this borough puts a few compensation claims to shame. This was money that could or should have been spent on children, schools and education etc... If this lady fails in her claim, all she has to show for it is a concussion. When our political masters fail in their duties, they can blame the system and carry on, or retire on a fat pension. Walthamstow noob
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11:50am Thu 7 Jan 10

larry g says...

mr rusty wrote:
Larry g, could you expand upon your 'comment' please? It's not too clear what you're trying to say.
thought sigi's comments have been a joke, people like this, spend all their life looking for someone/thing else to blame in the vain hope that it improves their own pitiful existence.

sometimes bad things happen....so what...get on with it ......what would happen in something really terrible happened to these people....


pathetic
[quote][p][bold]mr rusty[/bold] wrote: Larry g, could you expand upon your 'comment' please? It's not too clear what you're trying to say.[/p][/quote]thought sigi's comments have been a joke, people like this, spend all their life looking for someone/thing else to blame in the vain hope that it improves their own pitiful existence. sometimes bad things happen....so what...get on with it ......what would happen in something really terrible happened to these people.... pathetic larry g
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4:38pm Thu 7 Jan 10

Fedup2010 says...

This is why the schools have been shut for the past two days...they don't want to be sue by idiots because of a bit of bad weather. Fact if it's icy be careful! It's no bodies fault if you stub your toe on your bed at home so why is it someones fault that you can't learn to walk sensibly during bad weather. If this woman (i don't care if she is a grandmother or not) got wet in the rain who would she blame. She is just a money grabber that's all. There are more important things for the council to be spending money on.....like grit!
This is why the schools have been shut for the past two days...they don't want to be sue by idiots because of a bit of bad weather. Fact if it's icy be careful! It's no bodies fault if you stub your toe on your bed at home so why is it someones fault that you can't learn to walk sensibly during bad weather. If this woman (i don't care if she is a grandmother or not) got wet in the rain who would she blame. She is just a money grabber that's all. There are more important things for the council to be spending money on.....like grit! Fedup2010
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8:51pm Thu 7 Jan 10

RichieA70 says...

I hope she fails. Why should I pay compensation via council tax for this greed? It's as infuriating as the widespread school closures. During numerous conditions as bad if not worse than this as a child my schools never closed. Among excuses are that more kids are driven in than before. Fine, well why can't a greater proportion of them walk in?

There seems to be no end to this blame culture and lack of taking personal responsibility
I hope she fails. Why should I pay compensation via council tax for this greed? It's as infuriating as the widespread school closures. During numerous conditions as bad if not worse than this as a child my schools never closed. Among excuses are that more kids are driven in than before. Fine, well why can't a greater proportion of them walk in? There seems to be no end to this blame culture and lack of taking personal responsibility RichieA70
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10:50am Fri 8 Jan 10

hotredman says...

I guess the 3 falls she had she still has not come to her senses. Its because of greedy slefish ignorant people like herself why the country has grind to a halt. Next doctors would not be going to surgerys because of the snow then how would she get to see them.
I hope she falls over again.
If she wants to walk on ice, then buy oil resistant sole shoes, normally on steel toe cap safety boots and shoes. She would find it more easier to walk on the ice.

There was grit put on the pavement in my street, it slightly melted yesterday daytime and you could see the fresh brown grit as no one walked on it, but as night came it just froze over and you can see brown ice. It does no good unless people are constantly walking on it.

Yesterday I saw two people fall on the ice, one of them I had pity for the guy. The next one serves his right. He was running on a clearly smooth ice covered pavement and fell flat on his backside and his hat flew off. Where is the common sense in that and wearing trainers!

This is why schools close and use the blame it on the weather issue because of stupid nimcompoops like this person.

Why is it always these old people so greedy for these compensation claims, no wonder they target them with daytime tv ads constantly.
I guess the 3 falls she had she still has not come to her senses. Its because of greedy slefish ignorant people like herself why the country has grind to a halt. Next doctors would not be going to surgerys because of the snow then how would she get to see them. I hope she falls over again. If she wants to walk on ice, then buy oil resistant sole shoes, normally on steel toe cap safety boots and shoes. She would find it more easier to walk on the ice. There was grit put on the pavement in my street, it slightly melted yesterday daytime and you could see the fresh brown grit as no one walked on it, but as night came it just froze over and you can see brown ice. It does no good unless people are constantly walking on it. Yesterday I saw two people fall on the ice, one of them I had pity for the guy. The next one serves his right. He was running on a clearly smooth ice covered pavement and fell flat on his backside and his hat flew off. Where is the common sense in that and wearing trainers! This is why schools close and use the blame it on the weather issue because of stupid nimcompoops like this person. Why is it always these old people so greedy for these compensation claims, no wonder they target them with daytime tv ads constantly. hotredman
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