Mystery victim of knife murder

Police gathering evidence at the scene

Police gathering evidence at the scene

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POLICE are appealing for help to identify a man who was stabbed to death.

The victim, who is believed to be in his late twenties or early thirties, was found outside Captain Fish and Chip Shop on High Street, Walthamstow, near the junction with Hoe Street, at 10.25pm last night (Sunday).

An air ambulance attended, but paramedics were unable to save him and he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Two men were seen running from the area towards Walthamstow bus station shortly after the attack.

The dead man, who is described as black, wearing blue jeans, a white t-shirt and a black puffer jacket, has yet to be identified.

A post mortem is due to take place at 10am tomorrow at Walthamstow Mortuary.

Police are still gathering evidence at the scene.

An large area is cordoned off between Hoe street and Walthamstow library, which is shut.

Many businesses in the area are also closed.

Passers-by told the Guardian of their shock at the murder.

Angela Dalligan, 44, of Wood Street, Walthamstow said: "This is absolutely disgusting, it seems to be getting worse by the day, we are becoming like America. "I bet it was an argument over something stupid, like a mobile phone or a can of beer."

David Fenwick, 23, of Leyton High Road, said: "It used to be rare to see police tape, but we see it more often now, it is sad."

An incident room under Det Chief Insp Phil Rickells has been set up.

Anyone who witnessed the incident or believes they may have information to identify the deceased is asked to call the incident room on 020 8345 1570.

To remain anonymous call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

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3:38pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Nairn says...

No one looked at the CCTV footage yet? Wouldn't help identify the person who died but might be a little bit of help in trying to see what happened. Oh silly me - why do I keep on thinking that the borough's cameras work (except when capturing minor traffic violations)....

condolences to the friends and family of the person who died
No one looked at the CCTV footage yet? Wouldn't help identify the person who died but might be a little bit of help in trying to see what happened. Oh silly me - why do I keep on thinking that the borough's cameras work (except when capturing minor traffic violations).... condolences to the friends and family of the person who died Nairn
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3:52pm Mon 8 Mar 10

peeg says...

This is a shame but not too surprising. Hopefully they will catch the murderers. I often see police walking up and down the high street at night, its unfortunate they weren't around at the time
This is a shame but not too surprising. Hopefully they will catch the murderers. I often see police walking up and down the high street at night, its unfortunate they weren't around at the time peeg
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4:04pm Mon 8 Mar 10

treena74 says...

ahhh they will only get a few months !! if they get caught!
ahhh they will only get a few months !! if they get caught! treena74
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4:09pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Walthamstow noob says...

So we've gone from this being a 17 year old whose identity the Police knew, to an unidentified 30 year old. Did the Police get their initial assessment wrong?
So we've gone from this being a 17 year old whose identity the Police knew, to an unidentified 30 year old. Did the Police get their initial assessment wrong? Walthamstow noob
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4:18pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Actually, I think the very first of now three reports on this website said it was an adult, not a youth. An update then suggested the victim was a teenager (as did all the other media). Now it's back to adult.

Knife crime is uncomfortably common. A few years ago, when the Guardian ran a bin the knife campaign, it became clear that many people, particularly teenage boys and young men, carry knives as a matter of course.

Any serious idea what can be done to make them think again? It's a hard one to crack.
Actually, I think the very first of now three reports on this website said it was an adult, not a youth. An update then suggested the victim was a teenager (as did all the other media). Now it's back to adult. Knife crime is uncomfortably common. A few years ago, when the Guardian ran a bin the knife campaign, it became clear that many people, particularly teenage boys and young men, carry knives as a matter of course. Any serious idea what can be done to make them think again? It's a hard one to crack. Helen, Walthamstow
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4:19pm Mon 8 Mar 10

devilsmojo says...

"This is absolutely disgusting, it seems to be getting worse by the day, we are becoming like America"

Prejudice like this is not acceptable
"This is absolutely disgusting, it seems to be getting worse by the day, we are becoming like America" Prejudice like this is not acceptable devilsmojo
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4:50pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Walthamstow noob says...

They definitely reported it as a 17 year old in one of the now deleted articles (google's news cache confirms this).

Not sure what's predjudiced about the comparison to the US ?
They definitely reported it as a 17 year old in one of the now deleted articles (google's news cache confirms this). Not sure what's predjudiced about the comparison to the US ? Walthamstow noob
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6:18pm Mon 8 Mar 10

lillybet1 says...

There is only one problem does not matter man, teen, black,white,asian or creed. If the council will listen and add more cameras that work !!!! and get competant staff to monitor and be vigilant. People assume that its over drugs, mobiles, i pods, girlfriends boyfriends etc rumours dont solve the crime. This is the second murder in the town square within one year. Please LBWF never mind spending on play grounds tree planting or adoption of police. Funding for security will be worth the while. I know and communicate with a councillor for the ward and I have stated my greivance and they have listened. I can and am pleased to say are willing to get something done. Please do not let me be on my own fighting a battle............DO SOMETHING FOR THE SAFETY OF RESIDENTS IN THE BOROUGH OF WALTHAM FOREST......The police do everything and anything they can I know this but without help from people it takes longer. Help them to help us.
There is only one problem does not matter man, teen, black,white,asian or creed. If the council will listen and add more cameras that work !!!! and get competant staff to monitor and be vigilant. People assume that its over drugs, mobiles, i pods, girlfriends boyfriends etc rumours dont solve the crime. This is the second murder in the town square within one year. Please LBWF never mind spending on play grounds tree planting or adoption of police. Funding for security will be worth the while. I know and communicate with a councillor for the ward and I have stated my greivance and they have listened. I can and am pleased to say are willing to get something done. Please do not let me be on my own fighting a battle............DO SOMETHING FOR THE SAFETY OF RESIDENTS IN THE BOROUGH OF WALTHAM FOREST......The police do everything and anything they can I know this but without help from people it takes longer. Help them to help us. lillybet1
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6:22pm Mon 8 Mar 10

lillybet1 says...

adding"adoption of trees" not police however there is a capaign running more police please what about adoption of a cctv ......apologies for slip up on last comment ooooops.....
adding"adoption of trees" not police however there is a capaign running more police please what about adoption of a cctv ......apologies for slip up on last comment ooooops..... lillybet1
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6:26pm Mon 8 Mar 10

lillybet1 says...

i still cant spell can i " campaign hope that right....yes did do English literature and grammar at school shame...............
...... getting old and tired of crime hate and rubbish in a borough that I used to love and cherish living in.
i still cant spell can i " campaign hope that right....yes did do English literature and grammar at school shame............... ...... getting old and tired of crime hate and rubbish in a borough that I used to love and cherish living in. lillybet1
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9:43pm Mon 8 Mar 10

Redfox says...

A brief summary on views so far;
Itr does matter whether the person is black: the majority of knife crime is black on black(thankfully for the rest of us & that includes our post-empire friends from the Indian sub continent): it is most often drug related because of invasions of territories or not paying debts: black people in the main favour legailising drugs because it is their cultural way-of-life. Sadly because many have their blood tainted with drugs they cannot become blood donors.
As for CCTV why doesn't somebody turn up at a community council meeting and ask pertinent questions - such as: Has the company operating the system recently had their contract renewed? Are the cameras operating 24/7? Which cameras are locked-off ONLY watching for parking violations?Where is the Operations Room - is it in Enfield? Are the Operator's in direct communication with the police? Are they ALLOWED to contact the police? Are the police ALLOWED IMMEDIATE access to tapes without being required to consult a wealth of red tape?
A brief summary on views so far; Itr does matter whether the person is black: the majority of knife crime is black on black(thankfully for the rest of us & that includes our post-empire friends from the Indian sub continent): it is most often drug related because of invasions of territories or not paying debts: black people in the main favour legailising drugs because it is their cultural way-of-life. Sadly because many have their blood tainted with drugs they cannot become blood donors. As for CCTV why doesn't somebody turn up at a community council meeting and ask pertinent questions - such as: Has the company operating the system recently had their contract renewed? Are the cameras operating 24/7? Which cameras are locked-off ONLY watching for parking violations?Where is the Operations Room - is it in Enfield? Are the Operator's in direct communication with the police? Are they ALLOWED to contact the police? Are the police ALLOWED IMMEDIATE access to tapes without being required to consult a wealth of red tape? Redfox
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5:50am Tue 9 Mar 10

Investigations says...

There was a time when "The Queen's Peace" prevailed in Britain even in High Street Walthamstow and Cable Street!
Carrying of weapons was discouraged by corporal punishment, for which there were few repeat customers and hard labour. Bring back these harsh and 'uncivilized' punishments and there will be less crime and far less violence!
There was a time when "The Queen's Peace" prevailed in Britain even in High Street Walthamstow and Cable Street! Carrying of weapons was discouraged by corporal punishment, for which there were few repeat customers and hard labour. Bring back these harsh and 'uncivilized' punishments and there will be less crime and far less violence! Investigations
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9:08am Tue 9 Mar 10

ITISMEAGAIN says...

Investigations wrote:
There was a time when "The Queen's Peace" prevailed in Britain even in High Street Walthamstow and Cable Street! Carrying of weapons was discouraged by corporal punishment, for which there were few repeat customers and hard labour. Bring back these harsh and 'uncivilized' punishments and there will be less crime and far less violence!
It is true INVESTIGTIONS, I was raised in Bethnal Green in the 1940/50's and a clip around the ear by a bobby was the norm,If you went home and said anything you got another one. And told you must have deserved it.Now the HUMAN RIGHTS MOB,would be up in arms. Young people have been given too many rights that it has got out of hand.Make prison a place that once visited never want to go again. Not a place to watch TV workout in the Gym, and have a better life than some decent people on the outside.Make them live in the filth if the dont slopout or keep their cells clean.Also with the help of DNA to prove beyond doubt, that someone is guilty of a murder ,HANG THEM.
[quote][p][bold]Investigations[/bold] wrote: There was a time when "The Queen's Peace" prevailed in Britain even in High Street Walthamstow and Cable Street! Carrying of weapons was discouraged by corporal punishment, for which there were few repeat customers and hard labour. Bring back these harsh and 'uncivilized' punishments and there will be less crime and far less violence![/p][/quote]It is true INVESTIGTIONS, I was raised in Bethnal Green in the 1940/50's and a clip around the ear by a bobby was the norm,If you went home and said anything you got another one. And told you must have deserved it.Now the HUMAN RIGHTS MOB,would be up in arms. Young people have been given too many rights that it has got out of hand.Make prison a place that once visited never want to go again. Not a place to watch TV workout in the Gym, and have a better life than some decent people on the outside.Make them live in the filth if the dont slopout or keep their cells clean.Also with the help of DNA to prove beyond doubt, that someone is guilty of a murder ,HANG THEM. ITISMEAGAIN
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9:28am Tue 9 Mar 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

I find the three postings above quite shocking. Together they say "bring back hanging and flogging and it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault anyway".

While I think there should be compulsory sentences for carrying knives, let alone using them, the idea that people are given the freedom to go round smacking children across the ear or that giving a sadist the remit to wield a birch (or cane) will solve anything is downright weird. I'm old enough to remember corporal punishment in schools and those nutty teachers who used that to hit children willy-nilly and ofter very hard. Did it do us good? Like hell it did. I knew kids who were mentally, if not physically, scarred for life.

And does it never occur to Redfox that the end result of the comments he is making about black and Asian people and the attitude he is displaying is to make some - and I emphasise some - of them so disenchanted with society that they stop caring what "people like us" think and are drawn into criminal behaviour?
I find the three postings above quite shocking. Together they say "bring back hanging and flogging and it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault anyway". While I think there should be compulsory sentences for carrying knives, let alone using them, the idea that people are given the freedom to go round smacking children across the ear or that giving a sadist the remit to wield a birch (or cane) will solve anything is downright weird. I'm old enough to remember corporal punishment in schools and those nutty teachers who used that to hit children willy-nilly and ofter very hard. Did it do us good? Like hell it did. I knew kids who were mentally, if not physically, scarred for life. And does it never occur to Redfox that the end result of the comments he is making about black and Asian people and the attitude he is displaying is to make some - and I emphasise some - of them so disenchanted with society that they stop caring what "people like us" think and are drawn into criminal behaviour? Helen, Walthamstow
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10:24am Tue 9 Mar 10

Nairn says...

Redfox wrote:
A brief summary on views so far; Itr does matter whether the person is black: the majority of knife crime is black on black(thankfully for the rest of us & that includes our post-empire friends from the Indian sub continent): it is most often drug related because of invasions of territories or not paying debts: black people in the main favour legailising drugs because it is their cultural way-of-life. Sadly because many have their blood tainted with drugs they cannot become blood donors. As for CCTV why doesn't somebody turn up at a community council meeting and ask pertinent questions - such as: Has the company operating the system recently had their contract renewed? Are the cameras operating 24/7? Which cameras are locked-off ONLY watching for parking violations?Where is the Operations Room - is it in Enfield? Are the Operator's in direct communication with the police? Are they ALLOWED to contact the police? Are the police ALLOWED IMMEDIATE access to tapes without being required to consult a wealth of red tape?
Redfox - we do go to the community council meetings and raise the issue of CCTVs not working, but 3 voices don't make much of a difference. Haven't heard anyone else (and therefore not you either) raise the issue at any of the meetings we have been to!
[quote][p][bold]Redfox[/bold] wrote: A brief summary on views so far; Itr does matter whether the person is black: the majority of knife crime is black on black(thankfully for the rest of us & that includes our post-empire friends from the Indian sub continent): it is most often drug related because of invasions of territories or not paying debts: black people in the main favour legailising drugs because it is their cultural way-of-life. Sadly because many have their blood tainted with drugs they cannot become blood donors. As for CCTV why doesn't somebody turn up at a community council meeting and ask pertinent questions - such as: Has the company operating the system recently had their contract renewed? Are the cameras operating 24/7? Which cameras are locked-off ONLY watching for parking violations?Where is the Operations Room - is it in Enfield? Are the Operator's in direct communication with the police? Are they ALLOWED to contact the police? Are the police ALLOWED IMMEDIATE access to tapes without being required to consult a wealth of red tape?[/p][/quote]Redfox - we do go to the community council meetings and raise the issue of CCTVs not working, but 3 voices don't make much of a difference. Haven't heard anyone else (and therefore not you either) raise the issue at any of the meetings we have been to! Nairn
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2:54pm Tue 9 Mar 10

March Hare says...

Well said, Helen. Any fond notions we may harbour of living in an enlightened and liberal society are quickly dispelled by reading the postings of these unreconstructed authoritarians and racial-purists. I'm only surprised that there was no call for forcible repatriation and the return of National Service (all in good time, I daresay)! Of course, you realsise it's all the fault of woolly liberals and hoodie-huggers like us, in my case brought up in the hippy 'sixties (and yes I can remember them!), plus our fellow-citizens from the former Empire who, through our moral degeneracy, have brought this once-proud nation to its knees! Gawd give me strength!
Well said, Helen. Any fond notions we may harbour of living in an enlightened and liberal society are quickly dispelled by reading the postings of these unreconstructed authoritarians and racial-purists. I'm only surprised that there was no call for forcible repatriation and the return of National Service (all in good time, I daresay)! Of course, you realsise it's all the fault of woolly liberals and hoodie-huggers like us, in my case brought up in the hippy 'sixties (and yes I can remember them!), plus our fellow-citizens from the former Empire who, through our moral degeneracy, have brought this once-proud nation to its knees! Gawd give me strength! March Hare
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5:34pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Techno2 says...

March Hare wrote:
Well said, Helen. Any fond notions we may harbour of living in an enlightened and liberal society are quickly dispelled by reading the postings of these unreconstructed authoritarians and racial-purists. I'm only surprised that there was no call for forcible repatriation and the return of National Service (all in good time, I daresay)! Of course, you realsise it's all the fault of woolly liberals and hoodie-huggers like us, in my case brought up in the hippy 'sixties (and yes I can remember them!), plus our fellow-citizens from the former Empire who, through our moral degeneracy, have brought this once-proud nation to its knees! Gawd give me strength!
It's interesting how much people can make of what is virtually no information at all. Having been caned several times at school to no particular effect either way I find myself being in two minds about the whole issue of crime and hugging hoodies - I wear one myself but wish they would ban the ones with face masks.

I also remeber the hippes by the way - I recall they were very selfish people who used to hog all the swings in the park so that children Like me could not get on them. I expect that experience this traumatised me so much it is the reason I have never trusted that generation as a result. Who can I sue about this?
[quote][p][bold]March Hare[/bold] wrote: Well said, Helen. Any fond notions we may harbour of living in an enlightened and liberal society are quickly dispelled by reading the postings of these unreconstructed authoritarians and racial-purists. I'm only surprised that there was no call for forcible repatriation and the return of National Service (all in good time, I daresay)! Of course, you realsise it's all the fault of woolly liberals and hoodie-huggers like us, in my case brought up in the hippy 'sixties (and yes I can remember them!), plus our fellow-citizens from the former Empire who, through our moral degeneracy, have brought this once-proud nation to its knees! Gawd give me strength![/p][/quote]It's interesting how much people can make of what is virtually no information at all. Having been caned several times at school to no particular effect either way I find myself being in two minds about the whole issue of crime and hugging hoodies - I wear one myself but wish they would ban the ones with face masks. I also remeber the hippes by the way - I recall they were very selfish people who used to hog all the swings in the park so that children Like me could not get on them. I expect that experience this traumatised me so much it is the reason I have never trusted that generation as a result. Who can I sue about this? Techno2
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7:20pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Nairn says...

Techno2 wrote:
March Hare wrote:
Well said, Helen. Any fond notions we may harbour of living in an enlightened and liberal society are quickly dispelled by reading the postings of these unreconstructed authoritarians and racial-purists. I'm only surprised that there was no call for forcible repatriation and the return of National Service (all in good time, I daresay)! Of course, you realsise it's all the fault of woolly liberals and hoodie-huggers like us, in my case brought up in the hippy 'sixties (and yes I can remember them!), plus our fellow-citizens from the former Empire who, through our moral degeneracy, have brought this once-proud nation to its knees! Gawd give me strength!
It's interesting how much people can make of what is virtually no information at all. Having been caned several times at school to no particular effect either way I find myself being in two minds about the whole issue of crime and hugging hoodies - I wear one myself but wish they would ban the ones with face masks.

I also remeber the hippes by the way - I recall they were very selfish people who used to hog all the swings in the park so that children Like me could not get on them. I expect that experience this traumatised me so much it is the reason I have never trusted that generation as a result. Who can I sue about this?
your parents? they were around at the time of 'that generation' and gave birth to you then - ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Techno2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]March Hare[/bold] wrote: Well said, Helen. Any fond notions we may harbour of living in an enlightened and liberal society are quickly dispelled by reading the postings of these unreconstructed authoritarians and racial-purists. I'm only surprised that there was no call for forcible repatriation and the return of National Service (all in good time, I daresay)! Of course, you realsise it's all the fault of woolly liberals and hoodie-huggers like us, in my case brought up in the hippy 'sixties (and yes I can remember them!), plus our fellow-citizens from the former Empire who, through our moral degeneracy, have brought this once-proud nation to its knees! Gawd give me strength![/p][/quote]It's interesting how much people can make of what is virtually no information at all. Having been caned several times at school to no particular effect either way I find myself being in two minds about the whole issue of crime and hugging hoodies - I wear one myself but wish they would ban the ones with face masks. I also remeber the hippes by the way - I recall they were very selfish people who used to hog all the swings in the park so that children Like me could not get on them. I expect that experience this traumatised me so much it is the reason I have never trusted that generation as a result. Who can I sue about this?[/p][/quote]your parents? they were around at the time of 'that generation' and gave birth to you then - ;-) Nairn
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8:24pm Tue 9 Mar 10

March Hare says...

But did they remember it, Nairn?
But did they remember it, Nairn? March Hare
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10:47pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Nairn says...

who knows March Hare! Probably the bit about you being born at least as it is so painful - mind you gas and air takes the edge off it!!

Funny how now its the 'hoodies' that people dislike, who are considered to be bullies and hog the seats on the swings...

I guess nothing really changes, except the clothes!
who knows March Hare! Probably the bit about you being born at least as it is so painful - mind you gas and air takes the edge off it!! Funny how now its the 'hoodies' that people dislike, who are considered to be bullies and hog the seats on the swings... I guess nothing really changes, except the clothes! Nairn
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