WALTHAM FOREST: Top Lib Dems ditched following row

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Cllr John Macklin Cllr John Macklin

THE Liberal Democrat local election campaign is in disarray after it emerged that three senior councillors, including the council’s deputy leader, have been ditched by the party.

Hopes that the Lib Dems, who currently run the council in coalition with Labour, could become the biggest party look to be in ruins after the party confirmed leader John Macklin, cabinet member for environment Bob Belam and chief whip Bob Carey will not stand for the party on May 6.

A party spokesman admitted the move was the result of an internal dispute, but did not provide any further detail.

But the Guardian understands the party’s decision to ditch the three followed a bitter row over an attempt by members sitting on the Walthamstow executive to de-select Cllr Carey, who represents Chapel End ward with Cllrs Macklin and Belam.

Cllr Macklin admitted there has been concern about the executive’s candidate selection for some time.

He said: “There has been a dispute about issues around candidates selected in several wards, including Chapel End.

“There has been concern about inappropriate candidates being selected for target level seats.

“The issue has been going on for several months and I don't think it is something that has been completely resolved.

“Myself, Bob Carey and Bob Belam are the best people to represent Chapel End ward because we have worked the area for years and have listened and acted on residents' complaints.”

Cllr Macklin said he was “bitterly disappointed” that he was having to talk in public about the row and conceded it is “not good” for the party.

He added that he had not decided whether to stand as an independent.

A spokesman for the Lib Dem London region party said: "The local and regional executive have agreed the conclusion of internal mediation and no members have been suspended.”

The Walthamstow Executive is made up of members and activists including Cllr Johar Khan, Cllr Bob Wheatley and Walthamstow parliamentary candidate Farid Ahmed.

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12:50pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Morris Hickey says...

Perfect timing.
Perfect timing. Morris Hickey

1:14pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

I shouldn't think this will do much for Farid Ahmed, either.

He has been bombarding the Walthamstow electorate with letters and leaflets for months now, to the point where I for one am sick to death of hearing from him and his offerings now go straight from the doorstep to the recycling bag.

I think we should know why he and his colleagues now see fit to deselect long-standing councillors.
I shouldn't think this will do much for Farid Ahmed, either. He has been bombarding the Walthamstow electorate with letters and leaflets for months now, to the point where I for one am sick to death of hearing from him and his offerings now go straight from the doorstep to the recycling bag. I think we should know why he and his colleagues now see fit to deselect long-standing councillors. Helen, Walthamstow

2:04pm Wed 7 Apr 10

RichieA70 says...

We can but dream that Cllr Terry Wheeler will stand down.
We can but dream that Cllr Terry Wheeler will stand down. RichieA70

2:38pm Wed 7 Apr 10

marsdan says...

Lets live in hop of Clyde Loakes standing down in Leytonstone.
Lets live in hop of Clyde Loakes standing down in Leytonstone. marsdan

3:16pm Wed 7 Apr 10

April Showers says...

Without wishing to intrude into private grief this does seem a monumental own goal by the Lib Dems so close to the elections. I have some time for John Macklin, who must have harboured realistic hopes of becoming Council Leader after the elections. Bob Belam seems a nice enough bloke but has proved an ineffectual holder of an important portfolio. I've no idea who Bob Carey is. And still a month to go - however will we survive the excitement?
Without wishing to intrude into private grief this does seem a monumental own goal by the Lib Dems so close to the elections. I have some time for John Macklin, who must have harboured realistic hopes of becoming Council Leader after the elections. Bob Belam seems a nice enough bloke but has proved an ineffectual holder of an important portfolio. I've no idea who Bob Carey is. And still a month to go - however will we survive the excitement? April Showers

3:22pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Pamella says...

No loss - but what an opportunity fior the conservatices to now grab chapel ward
No loss - but what an opportunity fior the conservatices to now grab chapel ward Pamella

3:36pm Wed 7 Apr 10

April Showers says...

And we all know how adept the Tories are at grabbing things, Pamella, such as publicly-owned utilities and support services to the vulnerable. Not for nothing is Thatcher remembered as the 'milk snatcher'!
And we all know how adept the Tories are at grabbing things, Pamella, such as publicly-owned utilities and support services to the vulnerable. Not for nothing is Thatcher remembered as the 'milk snatcher'! April Showers

3:36pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Dave Hall says...

There is still time - just - for Macklin and others to join the ranks of Independents standing in the borough. Get your papers in now and stand alongside Michael Gold and Martin Duncan-Jones.
Upset the apple cart!
"Once-ever" is the security word...
There is still time - just - for Macklin and others to join the ranks of Independents standing in the borough. Get your papers in now and stand alongside Michael Gold and Martin Duncan-Jones. Upset the apple cart! "Once-ever" is the security word... Dave Hall

3:40pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

Unbelievable. The Lib Dems had a popular leader and a real chance of winning. They might then have been able to redeem their very tarnished reputation, after four years in a shameful coalition, going along with every Labour-led attack on local amenities. Now they’ve blown it. I can hardly believe Bob Wheatley was involved in this: I thought he was one of the good ones.
Unbelievable. The Lib Dems had a popular leader and a real chance of winning. They might then have been able to redeem their very tarnished reputation, after four years in a shameful coalition, going along with every Labour-led attack on local amenities. Now they’ve blown it. I can hardly believe Bob Wheatley was involved in this: I thought he was one of the good ones. Janet1

3:46pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

Yes! Genuine Liberals should now stand as independents, since their own party seems to have torn itself apart. We need opposition to the lousy Labour group that is now likely to get in.
Yes! Genuine Liberals should now stand as independents, since their own party seems to have torn itself apart. We need opposition to the lousy Labour group that is now likely to get in. Janet1

4:19pm Wed 7 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

How can Johar Khan stand as Walthamstow Executive when he has put in to be a MP or Councillor for ENFIELD. He wants to sit and ponder where his loyalties lie. If the Lib Dems are voted in for walthamstow how can he be in two places at once, surely loyalty cannot be divided between two. Not that he did much when in power for his ward in the last 4 years. Lets hope that the decent Lib Dems that are true to this borough and themselves do stand as independants thats where my vote will go for LOYALTY,TRUST,HARD WORK AND TRUTH. In fact there are some with morals that are with the Lib Dems and I have seen proof of that, things have been done !!! certain lib dem councillors do try their best for this diverse community but get no thanks. If it comes to the push then I will vote for another party and that will be my choice no other person but I will not vote LIB DEM.......if any other councillors step down. Farid Ahmed should sort this out there is not long to go so listen Mr Ahmed to the people that count the RESIDENTS OF THIS BOROUGH.
How can Johar Khan stand as Walthamstow Executive when he has put in to be a MP or Councillor for ENFIELD. He wants to sit and ponder where his loyalties lie. If the Lib Dems are voted in for walthamstow how can he be in two places at once, surely loyalty cannot be divided between two. Not that he did much when in power for his ward in the last 4 years. Lets hope that the decent Lib Dems that are true to this borough and themselves do stand as independants thats where my vote will go for LOYALTY,TRUST,HARD WORK AND TRUTH. In fact there are some with morals that are with the Lib Dems and I have seen proof of that, things have been done !!! certain lib dem councillors do try their best for this diverse community but get no thanks. If it comes to the push then I will vote for another party and that will be my choice no other person but I will not vote LIB DEM.......if any other councillors step down. Farid Ahmed should sort this out there is not long to go so listen Mr Ahmed to the people that count the RESIDENTS OF THIS BOROUGH. lillybet1

5:40pm Wed 7 Apr 10

jack de large says...

I do smile when Labour supporters refer to Thatcher as some kind of ogre, while I do not accept she was as great as the Tories make out, she took free school milk, Gordon Brown has taken the pensions and care from elderly, done nothing to reverse the sale of public utilities, in fact added to it and presided over a financial disaster of unprecedented proportions. So, April Showers, a little bit of reality check please.

I cannot say that I am sad to see the back of Liberal Democrats generally but regarding the comments around Councillor Johar Khan, I don't think he believes he will win in Enfield but I do think he believes he can become leader of the Liberal Democrats with the help of Mr Ahmed. I am surprised that councillors are allowed to make these kind of judgements over fellow councillors. It will be interesting to see who the Liberal Democrats put in as their replacement. I have frequently said in these comments that I believe the Labour Party has been harmed by its association with the Liberal Democrats, they are not a party who believe in anything other than the desire for power and influence, I believe many members of the Labour group will regret giving these parasites the opportunity to spread.

As for the Chapel End Ward I doubt that either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party could mount a credible challenge at this late stage.
I do smile when Labour supporters refer to Thatcher as some kind of ogre, while I do not accept she was as great as the Tories make out, she took free school milk, Gordon Brown has taken the pensions and care from elderly, done nothing to reverse the sale of public utilities, in fact added to it and presided over a financial disaster of unprecedented proportions. So, April Showers, a little bit of reality check please. I cannot say that I am sad to see the back of Liberal Democrats generally but regarding the comments around Councillor Johar Khan, I don't think he believes he will win in Enfield but I do think he believes he can become leader of the Liberal Democrats with the help of Mr Ahmed. I am surprised that councillors are allowed to make these kind of judgements over fellow councillors. It will be interesting to see who the Liberal Democrats put in as their replacement. I have frequently said in these comments that I believe the Labour Party has been harmed by its association with the Liberal Democrats, they are not a party who believe in anything other than the desire for power and influence, I believe many members of the Labour group will regret giving these parasites the opportunity to spread. As for the Chapel End Ward I doubt that either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party could mount a credible challenge at this late stage. jack de large

6:14pm Wed 7 Apr 10

April Showers says...

I can assure you, jack de large, that for those of us who lived through her grim regime, Thatcher was no smiling matter. I think you divulged in another posting that you are 19 years of age. I know old geezers like me are prone to say this to the young but, at the risk of sounding patronising, really you don't know you're born. If you think things are bad now I hope it doesn't take a Tory victory for you to appreciate just how bad things can really get.
I can assure you, jack de large, that for those of us who lived through her grim regime, Thatcher was no smiling matter. I think you divulged in another posting that you are 19 years of age. I know old geezers like me are prone to say this to the young but, at the risk of sounding patronising, really you don't know you're born. If you think things are bad now I hope it doesn't take a Tory victory for you to appreciate just how bad things can really get. April Showers

6:45pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

As someone who remembers the Thatcher years all too well, I can only say it was like being governed by an occupying army. It's a bit rich to blame the (admittedly disappointing) Labour government for failing to reverse the damage she caused, eg through privatisation. That's not quite as bad as causing it in the first
place!

But what am I saying, When I was 19 I thought I knew everything too.
As someone who remembers the Thatcher years all too well, I can only say it was like being governed by an occupying army. It's a bit rich to blame the (admittedly disappointing) Labour government for failing to reverse the damage she caused, eg through privatisation. That's not quite as bad as causing it in the first place! But what am I saying, When I was 19 I thought I knew everything too. Janet1

6:49pm Wed 7 Apr 10

jack de large says...

I understand what you are saying April Showers, but with respect, it is as pointless talking about Thatcher as it would be to talk about Attlee or Wilson. The Labour Party they led no longer exists and I am sure the party Thatcher led no longer exists.

I do not want to get off the point here, when I see this kind of political shenanigans, I get genuinely concerned for the borough in which I live. I can't help feeling there is an agenda here which we are not seeing.
I understand what you are saying April Showers, but with respect, it is as pointless talking about Thatcher as it would be to talk about Attlee or Wilson. The Labour Party they led no longer exists and I am sure the party Thatcher led no longer exists. I do not want to get off the point here, when I see this kind of political shenanigans, I get genuinely concerned for the borough in which I live. I can't help feeling there is an agenda here which we are not seeing. jack de large

7:53pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Silent Majority 2009 says...

What is wrong with the party members in this Borough? Last time various good councillors were de-selcted by Labour and Stella Creasy is now standing as an MP. What are the Liberals playing at booting out 3 of the most effective councillors we have? No wonder Walthamstow gets nowhere. If I was Stella I would have stood in a different constituency entirely. The only way forward now is for all the Liberals whose hands are clean to leave the Liberal party and stand as Independents. We cannot allow the party members behind the scenes to win!
What is wrong with the party members in this Borough? Last time various good councillors were de-selcted by Labour and Stella Creasy is now standing as an MP. What are the Liberals playing at booting out 3 of the most effective councillors we have? No wonder Walthamstow gets nowhere. If I was Stella I would have stood in a different constituency entirely. The only way forward now is for all the Liberals whose hands are clean to leave the Liberal party and stand as Independents. We cannot allow the party members behind the scenes to win! Silent Majority 2009

8:22pm Wed 7 Apr 10

April Showers says...

Ah, the optimism of youth, jack de large! But if we fail to learn from the mistakes of history we are doomed to repeat them. If we get a hung parliament where will we look for guidance? To precedent I suggest - in other words to history. The precedent here could well be Heath/Wilson in 1974, where we had two elections in one year (February and October). It was my first opportunity to vote at a General Election and to be called upon to do so twice in one year was a rather memorable experience. However, having lived through it once, I'm not anxious to do so again.
Ah, the optimism of youth, jack de large! But if we fail to learn from the mistakes of history we are doomed to repeat them. If we get a hung parliament where will we look for guidance? To precedent I suggest - in other words to history. The precedent here could well be Heath/Wilson in 1974, where we had two elections in one year (February and October). It was my first opportunity to vote at a General Election and to be called upon to do so twice in one year was a rather memorable experience. However, having lived through it once, I'm not anxious to do so again. April Showers

8:32pm Wed 7 Apr 10

April Showers says...

PS: And the other lesson of 1974 is that Lib/Lab pacts are doomed to failure!
PS: And the other lesson of 1974 is that Lib/Lab pacts are doomed to failure! April Showers

8:52pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Earle Martin says...

I for one will not miss Bob Belam. Here's a selection of examples of his sterling work as Cabinet Member for the Environment. http://ur1.ca/tydu
I for one will not miss Bob Belam. Here's a selection of examples of his sterling work as Cabinet Member for the Environment. http://ur1.ca/tydu Earle Martin

10:32pm Wed 7 Apr 10

wheeler_dealer_of Cathall says...

haha - this will really help Labour. Lets face it, they need all the help they can get. I agree with RichieA70 - That man must go(see above). As for Johar - well what can I say that has not already been said by Techno2, except to say that his political manouvering puts certain veteran Labour kingmakers to shame.
haha - this will really help Labour. Lets face it, they need all the help they can get. I agree with RichieA70 - That man must go(see above). As for Johar - well what can I say that has not already been said by Techno2, except to say that his political manouvering puts certain veteran Labour kingmakers to shame. wheeler_dealer_of Cathall

11:15pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Robert19 says...

I do not like the Lib Dems, they say yes to everyone and are populist to the nth degree until they get into power, then they usually fluff it. So I'm very tempted to break into a wide smile over their misfortune. However if Techno2's analysis is correct this is very worrying for democracy. Similar occurrences have already happened within the Labour Party locally and elsewhere.
The remedies are difficult and cannot be done retrospectively often for fear of being accused of racism. However actions such as visiting people wanting to join your Party at their homes to make sure they have applied for membership, having a waiting period before people can vote for candidates etc are important devices. It also shows the weakness of political parties when leading councillors can be deselected so near to an election. A political disaster. I'm still not smiling.
I do not like the Lib Dems, they say yes to everyone and are populist to the nth degree until they get into power, then they usually fluff it. So I'm very tempted to break into a wide smile over their misfortune. However if Techno2's analysis is correct this is very worrying for democracy. Similar occurrences have already happened within the Labour Party locally and elsewhere. The remedies are difficult and cannot be done retrospectively often for fear of being accused of racism. However actions such as visiting people wanting to join your Party at their homes to make sure they have applied for membership, having a waiting period before people can vote for candidates etc are important devices. It also shows the weakness of political parties when leading councillors can be deselected so near to an election. A political disaster. I'm still not smiling. Robert19

11:48pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

I started seeking held from local councillors when St James Street Library was closed without consultation in 2007. It was hard to get hold of Johar Khan, as he didn’t turn up to his advertised surgery. But when I finally spoke to him he showed a great interest in the library (despite having voted for its closure) and promised he would try to help.

Shortly afterwards, I heard he had proposed a motion to the full council. About libraries? No – calling for independence for Kashmir. Very relevant, useful and respectful of overseas governments (not).

Johar Khan did turn up at a meeting held by John Macklin with the library campaign, about our efforts to get St James Street Library reopened as a community centre. Not showing the slightest interest, Cllr Khan did at least manage to stifle his yawns, though I fear he may have injured his jaw in doing so.

I had a piece of Lib Dem propaganda through my door last week showing “campaigners” Johar Khan and Farid Ahmed “fighting to stop a drug centre”. It’s true, the one thing the Lib Dems did for us was when the council planned to put the building permanently out of community use by reopening it as a drug centre. Yes, they stood and held placards while a photographer took photos. Thanks a bundle, lads, that was a huge effort.

But proving they’re not totally ineffective, a bunch of LibDems have now given the Labour group a boost it couldn’t have hoped for.

We can still retrieve something from this mess. LibDems have till midday on Thursday 8 April to stand as independents in the council elections. The rest of us should vote for independents where we have one standing: Mike Gold is the independent in High Street ward.
I started seeking held from local councillors when St James Street Library was closed without consultation in 2007. It was hard to get hold of Johar Khan, as he didn’t turn up to his advertised surgery. But when I finally spoke to him he showed a great interest in the library (despite having voted for its closure) and promised he would try to help. Shortly afterwards, I heard he had proposed a motion to the full council. About libraries? No – calling for independence for Kashmir. Very relevant, useful and respectful of overseas governments (not). Johar Khan did turn up at a meeting held by John Macklin with the library campaign, about our efforts to get St James Street Library reopened as a community centre. Not showing the slightest interest, Cllr Khan did at least manage to stifle his yawns, though I fear he may have injured his jaw in doing so. I had a piece of Lib Dem propaganda through my door last week showing “campaigners” Johar Khan and Farid Ahmed “fighting to stop a drug centre”. It’s true, the one thing the Lib Dems did for us was when the council planned to put the building permanently out of community use by reopening it as a drug centre. Yes, they stood and held placards while a photographer took photos. Thanks a bundle, lads, that was a huge effort. But proving they’re not totally ineffective, a bunch of LibDems have now given the Labour group a boost it couldn’t have hoped for. We can still retrieve something from this mess. LibDems have till midday on Thursday 8 April to stand as independents in the council elections. The rest of us should vote for independents where we have one standing: Mike Gold is the independent in High Street ward. Janet1

12:43am Thu 8 Apr 10

Mr Bernard says...

The only party that seems to have any stability and credibility in this borough is the Conservatives. While the local Labour group have deselected many candidates and failed to choose a local candidate in Leyton and Wanstead (prefering John Cryer of South London to a local person), the Lib Dems, the party of everything and nothing seem to be dismantling in front of us all.

They are a party of opportunists like Johar who seem to have no real connection to Waltham Forest or its people anymore and merely seek to gain votes by feeding us what they think we want to hear followed by no action. After the mess that they, with Labour, have made of this borough they do not deserve Chapel End ward or any other for that matter!
The only party that seems to have any stability and credibility in this borough is the Conservatives. While the local Labour group have deselected many candidates and failed to choose a local candidate in Leyton and Wanstead (prefering John Cryer of South London to a local person), the Lib Dems, the party of everything and nothing seem to be dismantling in front of us all. They are a party of opportunists like Johar who seem to have no real connection to Waltham Forest or its people anymore and merely seek to gain votes by feeding us what they think we want to hear followed by no action. After the mess that they, with Labour, have made of this borough they do not deserve Chapel End ward or any other for that matter! Mr Bernard

12:49am Thu 8 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

When I said "I started seeking held from local councillors when our library was closed" I meant "I started seeking HELP from local councillors". Either way, we didn't get any.
When I said "I started seeking held from local councillors when our library was closed" I meant "I started seeking HELP from local councillors". Either way, we didn't get any. Janet1

3:42am Thu 8 Apr 10

E17006 says...

So let me get this straight - on the night where, nationally, the Lib Dems are shining as the only principled opposition to the appalling digital economy bill, our local Lib Dems decide the throw away the credible chance they had for winning LBWF on May 6 and decapitate themselves?
Sickening.
So let me get this straight - on the night where, nationally, the Lib Dems are shining as the only principled opposition to the appalling digital economy bill, our local Lib Dems decide the throw away the credible chance they had for winning LBWF on May 6 and decapitate themselves? Sickening. E17006

7:14am Thu 8 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

I totally agree with TECHNO2 well said it seems to be a Khan/Ahmed camp !!!!. I also am old enough to be commenting on the Thatcher years lets face it with her at least there was a war but not like this one We as British actually got the better in the Falklands !!!! Thatcher bought in POLL Tax when the labour scrapped that and made council tax people wanted poll tax back !!!!.
As for the high street ward I was born and bred in this section of walthamstow and I have seen changes sometimes not for the better. However all I can confirm is that if anything has to be done James O'Rourke has been the one knocking on doors talking to the residents of this ward, listening to their views and actually got results WELL DONE. If anyone knows Coppermill Lane the tree roots were dangerous and caused injury to a resident. James O'Rourke was made aware of this and lo and behold they have been fixed....... the fence on the playground had been pulleld down by youths several times James was made aware of this and it was Fixed. When I was a kid there was a programme called "Jim'll Fix It" and will say that if James O'Rourke goes independent then my vote will go with him because he does work hard to please the RESIDENTS and they are the ones paying for this. I am going say good luck to James O'Rourke you will get my vote if you stand independent but not if Johar Khan is involved. Let him go to Enfield and do nothing that's a wage that the residents of Walthamstow don't have to pay.
I totally agree with TECHNO2 well said it seems to be a Khan/Ahmed camp !!!!. I also am old enough to be commenting on the Thatcher years lets face it with her at least there was a war but not like this one We as British actually got the better in the Falklands !!!! Thatcher bought in POLL Tax when the labour scrapped that and made council tax people wanted poll tax back !!!!. As for the high street ward I was born and bred in this section of walthamstow and I have seen changes sometimes not for the better. However all I can confirm is that if anything has to be done James O'Rourke has been the one knocking on doors talking to the residents of this ward, listening to their views and actually got results WELL DONE. If anyone knows Coppermill Lane the tree roots were dangerous and caused injury to a resident. James O'Rourke was made aware of this and lo and behold they have been fixed....... the fence on the playground had been pulleld down by youths several times James was made aware of this and it was Fixed. When I was a kid there was a programme called "Jim'll Fix It" and will say that if James O'Rourke goes independent then my vote will go with him because he does work hard to please the RESIDENTS and they are the ones paying for this. I am going say good luck to James O'Rourke you will get my vote if you stand independent but not if Johar Khan is involved. Let him go to Enfield and do nothing that's a wage that the residents of Walthamstow don't have to pay. lillybet1

8:10am Thu 8 Apr 10

jack de large says...

Does anyone else see a connection between this and the local Labour Party dumping all its Afro Caribbean councillors and it's only Sikh Councillor?

Reading Techno2's comment (excellent) makes me wonder what will happen to the Labour Group, I don't want to be accused of overreacting (I really don't think I know everything) but are we going to see some kind of a similar coup with Cllr Robins replaced by someone with more acceptable credentials, Cllr Ali or Cllr Akram perhaps.
Does anyone else see a connection between this and the local Labour Party dumping all its Afro Caribbean councillors and it's only Sikh Councillor? Reading Techno2's comment (excellent) makes me wonder what will happen to the Labour Group, I don't want to be accused of overreacting (I really don't think I know everything) but are we going to see some kind of a similar coup with Cllr Robins replaced by someone with more acceptable credentials, Cllr Ali or Cllr Akram perhaps. jack de large

9:48am Thu 8 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Why has Techno2's main comment been removed as well as two others? I do hope it is not because Johar Khan and Farid Ahmed have complained. They have put themselves up for election and taken part in a process that has prevented leading members of their party from standing in election, and now they have to take the flack or provide a sesnible explanation for their decisions.
Why has Techno2's main comment been removed as well as two others? I do hope it is not because Johar Khan and Farid Ahmed have complained. They have put themselves up for election and taken part in a process that has prevented leading members of their party from standing in election, and now they have to take the flack or provide a sesnible explanation for their decisions. Helen, Walthamstow

9:52am Thu 8 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

Lets hope people of this borough open their eyes and see where and who the corruption is coming from. When you only vote for people that want POWER and not to help and listen to the people that count ie the RESIDENTS that leaves us in deep doo doo. We all understand that is a diverse borough and equal opportunities count but do the councillors themselves relate to this principle and honor it. I have lived here all my life and have seen so many changes if they want this borough regenerated they all need to work together and unite not encourage corruption, help each other, not shout down each other but sit like grown ups and sort out things in a diplomatic way, after all it is team work and this is vital for this borough. How can the council make it better when they are against each other it does not make sense or am I missing the point.
Lets hope people of this borough open their eyes and see where and who the corruption is coming from. When you only vote for people that want POWER and not to help and listen to the people that count ie the RESIDENTS that leaves us in deep doo doo. We all understand that is a diverse borough and equal opportunities count but do the councillors themselves relate to this principle and honor it. I have lived here all my life and have seen so many changes if they want this borough regenerated they all need to work together and unite not encourage corruption, help each other, not shout down each other but sit like grown ups and sort out things in a diplomatic way, after all it is team work and this is vital for this borough. How can the council make it better when they are against each other it does not make sense or am I missing the point. lillybet1

10:11am Thu 8 Apr 10

Techno2 says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Why has Techno2's main comment been removed as well as two others? I do hope it is not because Johar Khan and Farid Ahmed have complained. They have put themselves up for election and taken part in a process that has prevented leading members of their party from standing in election, and now they have to take the flack or provide a sesnible explanation for their decisions.
Anyway, the point has been made - people should understand that is going on: the LibDems have a problem with a relatively newly formed faction that has entered the party, centred around Mr Khan and Farid Ahmed. They have tried to stage a coup in some wards and run the party's general election campaign from the top down using money and bought-in manpower rather than activists, in the weird belief that the electorate wouldn't notice.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Why has Techno2's main comment been removed as well as two others? I do hope it is not because Johar Khan and Farid Ahmed have complained. They have put themselves up for election and taken part in a process that has prevented leading members of their party from standing in election, and now they have to take the flack or provide a sesnible explanation for their decisions.[/p][/quote]Anyway, the point has been made - people should understand that is going on: the LibDems have a problem with a relatively newly formed faction that has entered the party, centred around Mr Khan and Farid Ahmed. They have tried to stage a coup in some wards and run the party's general election campaign from the top down using money and bought-in manpower rather than activists, in the weird belief that the electorate wouldn't notice. Techno2

11:56am Thu 8 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

Well done Helen YES where is TECHNO2'S comment he had a good valid point its only the guilty ones who complain because truth hurts. Please put his comment back because it did hit the spot and everyone on this article that has commented has read it. What has happened to freedom of speech in circumstances like this.......and as far as it goes the residents within the area of Coppermill Lane are so very grateful for what James O'Rourke did for the Scout Hut its now looking good for the children and others to enjoy. I do not have children but I pay for them so well done O'Rourke for listening again to the residents of YOUR ward. He grew up around this area and since he was elected 4 years ago has a lot of respect from the residents within this area. AS for the comment that Johar Khan didn't turn up for surgery..... well how the hek will he in be available in future if he is in ENFIELD. Will he have a doppleganger of a time turner be in 2 places at once. Yes be what he wants but be loyal to the voters of Lib Dem's.
Well done Helen YES where is TECHNO2'S comment he had a good valid point its only the guilty ones who complain because truth hurts. Please put his comment back because it did hit the spot and everyone on this article that has commented has read it. What has happened to freedom of speech in circumstances like this.......and as far as it goes the residents within the area of Coppermill Lane are so very grateful for what James O'Rourke did for the Scout Hut its now looking good for the children and others to enjoy. I do not have children but I pay for them so well done O'Rourke for listening again to the residents of YOUR ward. He grew up around this area and since he was elected 4 years ago has a lot of respect from the residents within this area. AS for the comment that Johar Khan didn't turn up for surgery..... well how the hek will he in be available in future if he is in ENFIELD. Will he have a doppleganger of a time turner be in 2 places at once. Yes be what he wants but be loyal to the voters of Lib Dem's. lillybet1

11:58am Thu 8 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

Well done Helen YES where is TECHNO2'S comment he had a good valid point its only the guilty ones who complain because truth hurts. Please put his comment back because it did hit the spot and everyone on this article that has commented has read it. What has happened to freedom of speech in circumstances like this.......and as far as it goes the residents within the area of Coppermill Lane are so very grateful for what James O'Rourke did for the Scout Hut its now looking good for the children and others to enjoy. I do not have children but I pay for them so well done O'Rourke for listening again to the residents of YOUR ward. He grew up around this area and since he was elected 4 years ago has a lot of respect from the residents within this area. AS for the comment that Johar Khan didn't turn up for surgery..... well how the hek will he in be available in future if he is in ENFIELD. Will he have a doppleganger of a time turner be in 2 places at once. Yes be what he wants but be loyal to the voters of Lib Dem's.
Well done Helen YES where is TECHNO2'S comment he had a good valid point its only the guilty ones who complain because truth hurts. Please put his comment back because it did hit the spot and everyone on this article that has commented has read it. What has happened to freedom of speech in circumstances like this.......and as far as it goes the residents within the area of Coppermill Lane are so very grateful for what James O'Rourke did for the Scout Hut its now looking good for the children and others to enjoy. I do not have children but I pay for them so well done O'Rourke for listening again to the residents of YOUR ward. He grew up around this area and since he was elected 4 years ago has a lot of respect from the residents within this area. AS for the comment that Johar Khan didn't turn up for surgery..... well how the hek will he in be available in future if he is in ENFIELD. Will he have a doppleganger of a time turner be in 2 places at once. Yes be what he wants but be loyal to the voters of Lib Dem's. lillybet1

12:03pm Thu 8 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

Apologies if I jumped to a conclusion that TECHO2 could be a male the could be female..... and also a coup is correct we all know whats kept in them CHICKENS they do a lot of clucking but some lay rotten eggs......and we all know you get sick if you use them. But whoever made the comment of coup hit the nail....
Apologies if I jumped to a conclusion that TECHO2 could be a male the could be female..... and also a coup is correct we all know whats kept in them CHICKENS they do a lot of clucking but some lay rotten eggs......and we all know you get sick if you use them. But whoever made the comment of coup hit the nail.... lillybet1

12:55pm Thu 8 Apr 10

ceegriffin says...

I didn't have much time for Cllrs Belam or Carey, but Cllr Macklin seemed like a good quality representative. This is a major own goal by the Lib Dems, and I've told them so in an email to the local and national party. I certainly won't be voting for them any more, and I'll encourage others to do the same. Hoping that we'll get Green candidates or Independents in Chapel End, as I'm not sure I can face the idea of giving either Labour or the Conservatives full power in LBWF.
I didn't have much time for Cllrs Belam or Carey, but Cllr Macklin seemed like a good quality representative. This is a major own goal by the Lib Dems, and I've told them so in an email to the local and national party. I certainly won't be voting for them any more, and I'll encourage others to do the same. Hoping that we'll get Green candidates or Independents in Chapel End, as I'm not sure I can face the idea of giving either Labour or the Conservatives full power in LBWF. ceegriffin

1:07pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Jayish says...

May be all of us who are crucifying the Lib Dems should stand back and think as to why would a party get rid of the high ranking councillors this late in the run up to the election?

I am certain the Lid Dem Walthamstow executive and the London Regional must have done every thing in their power to avoid this from happening. Deselecting any high ranking candidate must have been a very difficult decision to make and not taken lightly by any party.

May be there was something seriously flowed with the three deselected councillors.
From what I know they have been councillors for quiet some time now and we all know what happens to those who are left in power too long, remember Magi Thatcher’s and then Tony Blair.

May be we should applause the Lib Dems for risking all to get their house in order. May be we should all now give them our full support.
May be all of us who are crucifying the Lib Dems should stand back and think as to why would a party get rid of the high ranking councillors this late in the run up to the election? I am certain the Lid Dem Walthamstow executive and the London Regional must have done every thing in their power to avoid this from happening. Deselecting any high ranking candidate must have been a very difficult decision to make and not taken lightly by any party. May be there was something seriously flowed with the three deselected councillors. From what I know they have been councillors for quiet some time now and we all know what happens to those who are left in power too long, remember Magi Thatcher’s and then Tony Blair. May be we should applause the Lib Dems for risking all to get their house in order. May be we should all now give them our full support. Jayish

1:56pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Techno2 says...

Jayish wrote:
May be all of us who are crucifying the Lib Dems should stand back and think as to why would a party get rid of the high ranking councillors this late in the run up to the election? I am certain the Lid Dem Walthamstow executive and the London Regional must have done every thing in their power to avoid this from happening. Deselecting any high ranking candidate must have been a very difficult decision to make and not taken lightly by any party. May be there was something seriously flowed with the three deselected councillors. From what I know they have been councillors for quiet some time now and we all know what happens to those who are left in power too long, remember Magi Thatcher’s and then Tony Blair. May be we should applause the Lib Dems for risking all to get their house in order. May be we should all now give them our full support.
The LibDems at a National level
were warned about Johar Khan's behaviour well in advance of the recent events - which are only the latest in a long process lasting a couple of years. I do not know why they failed to nip this in the bud, but there you are. Not everyone in politics is as smart as they like to think they are.

The silence you allude to from the various councillors has mystified a lot of people. I hope that we will eventually find out from the deselected Councillors what they have been having to put up with and why they were so reluctant to let everyone know what was going on. There could be legal reasons of cource. Mr Khan, Mr Ahmed and Bob Wheatley also owe explanations to the public for thier part in this fiasco. This party does, after all, form part of the current administration, as well as aspiring to have a future in the next one, and Mr Ahmed is trying to get elected to Parliament.
[quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: May be all of us who are crucifying the Lib Dems should stand back and think as to why would a party get rid of the high ranking councillors this late in the run up to the election? I am certain the Lid Dem Walthamstow executive and the London Regional must have done every thing in their power to avoid this from happening. Deselecting any high ranking candidate must have been a very difficult decision to make and not taken lightly by any party. May be there was something seriously flowed with the three deselected councillors. From what I know they have been councillors for quiet some time now and we all know what happens to those who are left in power too long, remember Magi Thatcher’s and then Tony Blair. May be we should applause the Lib Dems for risking all to get their house in order. May be we should all now give them our full support.[/p][/quote]The LibDems at a National level were warned about Johar Khan's behaviour well in advance of the recent events - which are only the latest in a long process lasting a couple of years. I do not know why they failed to nip this in the bud, but there you are. Not everyone in politics is as smart as they like to think they are. The silence you allude to from the various councillors has mystified a lot of people. I hope that we will eventually find out from the deselected Councillors what they have been having to put up with and why they were so reluctant to let everyone know what was going on. There could be legal reasons of cource. Mr Khan, Mr Ahmed and Bob Wheatley also owe explanations to the public for thier part in this fiasco. This party does, after all, form part of the current administration, as well as aspiring to have a future in the next one, and Mr Ahmed is trying to get elected to Parliament. Techno2

3:27pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Jayish says...

I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.
I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom. Jayish

4:05pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Fedupwithitall says...

Jayish wrote:
I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.
Actually Jayish, I for one am grateful for Techno's insight into this unpleasant affair, which is as bad as the Labour deselection fiasco when candidates were eventually imposed in some wards. We need people to blow the lid on what many of us have long suspected were morally corrupt goings-on amongst our local representatives. Thanks for keeping us informed Techno2.
[quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.[/p][/quote]Actually Jayish, I for one am grateful for Techno's insight into this unpleasant affair, which is as bad as the Labour deselection fiasco when candidates were eventually imposed in some wards. We need people to blow the lid on what many of us have long suspected were morally corrupt goings-on amongst our local representatives. Thanks for keeping us informed Techno2. Fedupwithitall

5:04pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Jayish, I don't believe Techno2 sounds as if he has a personal axe to grind with Johar Khan or Farid Ahmed, or that he is speaking for one of the other parties.

He is helping to uncover a worrying trend in local politics over, perhaps, the last 15 years that needs to be stopped now before it distorts all politics in this borough, this city or this country.

I just hope the Guardian will not let what has happened with the Lib Dems slip off the radar. The people concerned must answer to the electorate for what they have done.
Jayish, I don't believe Techno2 sounds as if he has a personal axe to grind with Johar Khan or Farid Ahmed, or that he is speaking for one of the other parties. He is helping to uncover a worrying trend in local politics over, perhaps, the last 15 years that needs to be stopped now before it distorts all politics in this borough, this city or this country. I just hope the Guardian will not let what has happened with the Lib Dems slip off the radar. The people concerned must answer to the electorate for what they have done. Helen, Walthamstow

5:14pm Thu 8 Apr 10

wheeler_dealer_of Cathall says...

Techno2 is obviously an insider to know so much of what is happening within the libdems. However it seems s/he is not helping the libdems with such comments, and like Jayish, I think s/he has a personal axe to grind.

However, I have to admit that this is very similar to what happened to the Labour lot recently - a coup manufactured by certain individuals. They ended up deselecting Black councillors such as Milton Martin and replacing them with unknowns such as Naheed (councillor Asghar's daughter). Clearly not a decision based on competencies or experience.

In reply to the comment about having good reason to deselect standing councillors, I would only like to say that in this case (and that of Labour) that the only reason for deselection is due to personal favours and personal agendas, and that these agendas always seem to be more important to these sickening individuals than the parties they serve.

Lets face it, these local elections are more about personalities than parties.

Good luck to the 3 deselected Lib- dems.
Techno2 is obviously an insider to know so much of what is happening within the libdems. However it seems s/he is not helping the libdems with such comments, and like Jayish, I think s/he has a personal axe to grind. However, I have to admit that this is very similar to what happened to the Labour lot recently - a coup manufactured by certain individuals. They ended up deselecting Black councillors such as Milton Martin and replacing them with unknowns such as Naheed (councillor Asghar's daughter). Clearly not a decision based on competencies or experience. In reply to the comment about having good reason to deselect standing councillors, I would only like to say that in this case (and that of Labour) that the only reason for deselection is due to personal favours and personal agendas, and that these agendas always seem to be more important to these sickening individuals than the parties they serve. Lets face it, these local elections are more about personalities than parties. Good luck to the 3 deselected Lib- dems. wheeler_dealer_of Cathall

5:23pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

Jayish wrote:
I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.
Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter.

I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.
[quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.[/p][/quote]Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council. Janet1

5:35pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Jayish says...

Fedupwithitall (it's obvious you are) It is also obvious that you hold a very limited knowledge of what lengths members of the other parties and discredited candidates will go to, to try and discredit other worthy candidates or opponents. It is a shame that you fall for such obvious juvenile tactics that insult not only your inelegance but also the inelegance of others commenting on this topic.
Well tried any way!!
Fedupwithitall (it's obvious you are) It is also obvious that you hold a very limited knowledge of what lengths members of the other parties and discredited candidates will go to, to try and discredit other worthy candidates or opponents. It is a shame that you fall for such obvious juvenile tactics that insult not only your inelegance but also the inelegance of others commenting on this topic. Well tried any way!! Jayish

5:44pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Fedupwithitall says...

wheeler_dealer_of Cathall wrote:
Techno2 is obviously an insider to know so much of what is happening within the libdems. However it seems s/he is not helping the libdems with such comments, and like Jayish, I think s/he has a personal axe to grind. However, I have to admit that this is very similar to what happened to the Labour lot recently - a coup manufactured by certain individuals. They ended up deselecting Black councillors such as Milton Martin and replacing them with unknowns such as Naheed (councillor Asghar's daughter). Clearly not a decision based on competencies or experience. In reply to the comment about having good reason to deselect standing councillors, I would only like to say that in this case (and that of Labour) that the only reason for deselection is due to personal favours and personal agendas, and that these agendas always seem to be more important to these sickening individuals than the parties they serve. Lets face it, these local elections are more about personalities than parties. Good luck to the 3 deselected Lib- dems.
Unfortunately Wheeler_dealer you too seem to have an axe to grind and are perpetuating the myth that surrounds the Labour deselections. Yes, there were some black councillors deselected but there were also asian councillors deselected too, notably Faiz Yunis and Tarsem Bhogal. You're entitled to your opinion that Naheed Asghar is both incompetent and inexperienced, but having met her on several ocassions I am convinced neither is true. You also don't seem to credit the electorate with much intelligence when it comes to voting - I think the majority of us are intelligent enough to look beyond the personalities and examine the policies.
[quote][p][bold]wheeler_dealer_of Cathall[/bold] wrote: Techno2 is obviously an insider to know so much of what is happening within the libdems. However it seems s/he is not helping the libdems with such comments, and like Jayish, I think s/he has a personal axe to grind. However, I have to admit that this is very similar to what happened to the Labour lot recently - a coup manufactured by certain individuals. They ended up deselecting Black councillors such as Milton Martin and replacing them with unknowns such as Naheed (councillor Asghar's daughter). Clearly not a decision based on competencies or experience. In reply to the comment about having good reason to deselect standing councillors, I would only like to say that in this case (and that of Labour) that the only reason for deselection is due to personal favours and personal agendas, and that these agendas always seem to be more important to these sickening individuals than the parties they serve. Lets face it, these local elections are more about personalities than parties. Good luck to the 3 deselected Lib- dems.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately Wheeler_dealer you too seem to have an axe to grind and are perpetuating the myth that surrounds the Labour deselections. Yes, there were some black councillors deselected but there were also asian councillors deselected too, notably Faiz Yunis and Tarsem Bhogal. You're entitled to your opinion that Naheed Asghar is both incompetent and inexperienced, but having met her on several ocassions I am convinced neither is true. You also don't seem to credit the electorate with much intelligence when it comes to voting - I think the majority of us are intelligent enough to look beyond the personalities and examine the policies. Fedupwithitall

5:47pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

Jayish, you're really not doing your faction any favours with your string of silly insults. Most of the people commenting have something worth saying, in some cases because they know what's going on behind the scenes.

As i said, I'm not a LibDem myself, but I hate to see what's being done to a once-respected political party.
Jayish, you're really not doing your faction any favours with your string of silly insults. Most of the people commenting have something worth saying, in some cases because they know what's going on behind the scenes. As i said, I'm not a LibDem myself, but I hate to see what's being done to a once-respected political party. Janet1

5:50pm Thu 8 Apr 10

April Showers says...

What more need be said about a political party that can't even manage its own internal skullduggery effectively?
What more need be said about a political party that can't even manage its own internal skullduggery effectively? April Showers

6:32pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Jayish wrote:
Fedupwithitall (it's obvious you are) It is also obvious that you hold a very limited knowledge of what lengths members of the other parties and discredited candidates will go to, to try and discredit other worthy candidates or opponents. It is a shame that you fall for such obvious juvenile tactics that insult not only your inelegance but also the inelegance of others commenting on this topic. Well tried any way!!
If anyone is insulting out intelligence, Jayish, it's you.

For several reasons, I'm well aware that these shenanigans have been going on in at least one other party for over a decade. That doesn't excuse the Lib Dems who can no longer take the moral high ground because two of their high profile members in this borough have been part of a group forcing out, among others, their own party's leader in the council. Ye gods! What stupidity is that!

Worthy candidates? That is definitely in question now.
[quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: Fedupwithitall (it's obvious you are) It is also obvious that you hold a very limited knowledge of what lengths members of the other parties and discredited candidates will go to, to try and discredit other worthy candidates or opponents. It is a shame that you fall for such obvious juvenile tactics that insult not only your inelegance but also the inelegance of others commenting on this topic. Well tried any way!![/p][/quote]If anyone is insulting out intelligence, Jayish, it's you. For several reasons, I'm well aware that these shenanigans have been going on in at least one other party for over a decade. That doesn't excuse the Lib Dems who can no longer take the moral high ground because two of their high profile members in this borough have been part of a group forcing out, among others, their own party's leader in the council. Ye gods! What stupidity is that! Worthy candidates? That is definitely in question now. Helen, Walthamstow

6:46pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Angel786 says...

Does anyone (The Guardian) know if they submitted as independants? The deadline for applications was noon today.

Angel786
Does anyone (The Guardian) know if they submitted as independants? The deadline for applications was noon today. Angel786 Angel786

10:31pm Thu 8 Apr 10

jack de large says...

I can help a bit here, the list of people standing for election will not be published until Monday, however Angel 786, you're right that the deadline for submitting an application to stand was noon today, since it seems that Macklin, Belam and Carey did not know they had definitely been deselected until late Tuesday night they would only really have had a day to decide to stand and get the nomination in. I do not know if that would have been enough time even if they had wanted to stand as independents.

As for the comments posted by Jayish s/he seems to be suggesting that there was something dodgy about the Chapel End Councillors, although I have a degree of distaste for Liberal Democrats generally I do not believe that the reason they were deselected has anything to do with them personally or with their integrity as Councillors and it is shameful for Jayish to suggest such a thing. I think they were just in the way. I read nothing in these comments to suggest that there isn't a deeper agenda here.
I can help a bit here, the list of people standing for election will not be published until Monday, however Angel 786, you're right that the deadline for submitting an application to stand was noon today, since it seems that Macklin, Belam and Carey did not know they had definitely been deselected until late Tuesday night they would only really have had a day to decide to stand and get the nomination in. I do not know if that would have been enough time even if they had wanted to stand as independents. As for the comments posted by Jayish s/he seems to be suggesting that there was something dodgy about the Chapel End Councillors, although I have a degree of distaste for Liberal Democrats generally I do not believe that the reason they were deselected has anything to do with them personally or with their integrity as Councillors and it is shameful for Jayish to suggest such a thing. I think they were just in the way. I read nothing in these comments to suggest that there isn't a deeper agenda here. jack de large

10:52pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

To stand in the election you need to get about 10 people to nominate you, all signing forms and including their number on the electoral roll. It's a lot of organising to do in just over a day.
To stand in the election you need to get about 10 people to nominate you, all signing forms and including their number on the electoral roll. It's a lot of organising to do in just over a day. Janet1

12:18am Fri 9 Apr 10

Liz10 says...

Janet1 wrote:
Jayish wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.
Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.
I must say that techno & co seem to know a lot more about this then anybodyelse. How comes?

Maybe the reason why some of the comments posted on this page have been removed is because techno and his pals are talking a load of rubbish & making things up as they go. I am told that there about 15 people on the committee to decide candidates so why single out 1 or 2 people?
[quote][p][bold]Janet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.[/p][/quote]Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.[/p][/quote]I must say that techno & co seem to know a lot more about this then anybodyelse. How comes? Maybe the reason why some of the comments posted on this page have been removed is because techno and his pals are talking a load of rubbish & making things up as they go. I am told that there about 15 people on the committee to decide candidates so why single out 1 or 2 people? Liz10

12:27am Fri 9 Apr 10

Liz10 says...

Janet1 wrote:
Jayish wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.
Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.
How do you know who deselected sitting councillors? just by reading tehcno's comments? I think that is rather naive of you. Do we even know the process? Do we even know the background? Do we even care? So why do people like you and techno always make out like you know everything or the truth...........
[quote][p][bold]Janet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.[/p][/quote]Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.[/p][/quote]How do you know who deselected sitting councillors? just by reading tehcno's comments? I think that is rather naive of you. Do we even know the process? Do we even know the background? Do we even care? So why do people like you and techno always make out like you know everything or the truth........... Liz10

9:22am Fri 9 Apr 10

Techno2 says...

Liz10 wrote:
Janet1 wrote:
Jayish wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.
Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.
How do you know who deselected sitting councillors? just by reading tehcno's comments? I think that is rather naive of you. Do we even know the process? Do we even know the background? Do we even care? So why do people like you and techno always make out like you know everything or the truth...........
Very good point. I had to speak to several people over a fair period of time to realize what was going on and I have had doubts about it myself from time to time because you don't really like to believe it even when you see it and get told things by people who are angry and distressed. Everyone has an angle.

It would be preferable for the people involved, including those who have been deselected, to be able to make statements about how they see things.

A word of warning though - I do not expect the people who engineeered this to be entirely frank about their involvement, motivations, rationalisations and self-delusions - or the history of this plotting, which by its very nature was done behind their collegues backs.
[quote][p][bold]Liz10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayish[/bold] wrote: I think you should stay focused on the issue in the article Techno2 and refrain from dragging other candidates into this issue. It sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Councillor Khan and Mr. Ahmed or you are waving the flag for one of the other Parties or even the deselected candidates. Ooh your comment reeks of venom.[/p][/quote]Your comment is strange, Jayish. I’ve reread Techno2’s comment twice and cannot see what you are complaining about. Techno is focusing on the issue. Your own sympathies seem to lie with the people who deselected sitting councillors, including the party leader, in the run-up to an election. To the rest of us, that looks like electoral suicide. I feel sorry for genuine Liberals who have given years of activism to this party – and I’m not even a LibDem supporter. I have no axe to grind for any of the parties. But a LibDem majority would have brought a much-needed change of power. I am disgusted that this ham-fisted politicking has damaged hopes of cleaning out this council.[/p][/quote]How do you know who deselected sitting councillors? just by reading tehcno's comments? I think that is rather naive of you. Do we even know the process? Do we even know the background? Do we even care? So why do people like you and techno always make out like you know everything or the truth...........[/p][/quote]Very good point. I had to speak to several people over a fair period of time to realize what was going on and I have had doubts about it myself from time to time because you don't really like to believe it even when you see it and get told things by people who are angry and distressed. Everyone has an angle. It would be preferable for the people involved, including those who have been deselected, to be able to make statements about how they see things. A word of warning though - I do not expect the people who engineeered this to be entirely frank about their involvement, motivations, rationalisations and self-delusions - or the history of this plotting, which by its very nature was done behind their collegues backs. Techno2

9:41am Fri 9 Apr 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Perhaps Liz could tell us who the 15 people on the selection committee are.

I referred in a previous posting to knowing about previous incidents in other parties. The process appears to be that key meetings (like the AGM in this case and candidate selection sessions in others) are packed by people who have presumably paid their dues but have never been seen or heard of by active party members beforehand, and who are never seen afterwards. These people have been primed to vote in certain ways, thus distorting the process at a key stage.

Is this what happened in this case? Was the selection committee chosen in this way?
Perhaps Liz could tell us who the 15 people on the selection committee are. I referred in a previous posting to knowing about previous incidents in other parties. The process appears to be that key meetings (like the AGM in this case and candidate selection sessions in others) are packed by people who have presumably paid their dues but have never been seen or heard of by active party members beforehand, and who are never seen afterwards. These people have been primed to vote in certain ways, thus distorting the process at a key stage. Is this what happened in this case? Was the selection committee chosen in this way? Helen, Walthamstow

10:06am Fri 9 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

Liz10 and Jayish, please read the original news report:

“The Guardian understands the party’s decision to ditch the three followed a bitter row over an attempt by members sitting on the Walthamstow executive to de-select Cllr Carey, who represents Chapel End ward with Cllrs Macklin and Belam. … The Walthamstow Executive is made up of members and activists including Cllr Johar Khan, Cllr Bob Wheatley and Walthamstow parliamentary candidate Farid Ahmed.”

It’s interesting that the people hurling insults are supporters of the executive. They may have some information but aren’t sharing it and don’t want it discussed.

Sadly, this probably reveals all we need to know about what’s going on in the local LibDem party.
Liz10 and Jayish, please read the original news report: “The Guardian understands the party’s decision to ditch the three followed a bitter row over an attempt by members sitting on the Walthamstow executive to de-select Cllr Carey, who represents Chapel End ward with Cllrs Macklin and Belam. … The Walthamstow Executive is made up of members and activists including Cllr Johar Khan, Cllr Bob Wheatley and Walthamstow parliamentary candidate Farid Ahmed.” It’s interesting that the people hurling insults are supporters of the executive. They may have some information but aren’t sharing it and don’t want it discussed. Sadly, this probably reveals all we need to know about what’s going on in the local LibDem party. Janet1

10:15am Fri 9 Apr 10

sonofturpin says...

It’s self evident that all of the major parties have, and do; indulge in cronyism and the often clandestine support of their own factions. The basis might be for religious, racial or family reasons. It might be in the interest of business or even in support of fellow freemasons for all we know.

In the final analysis, it seems every last one of the party political based bidders for a council seat have their own hidden agenda that suggests that serving the immediate community in which they live is fairly low on their list of priorities.

My guess is that all of the major parties will be sweating a bit this weekend as they await the announcement of the candidates. I, for one, hope that we see a robust list of Independent names coming forward and that every one of them take enough votes to leave some bloody noses come voting day and help begin the process of change this Borough both needs and deserves.
It’s self evident that all of the major parties have, and do; indulge in cronyism and the often clandestine support of their own factions. The basis might be for religious, racial or family reasons. It might be in the interest of business or even in support of fellow freemasons for all we know. In the final analysis, it seems every last one of the party political based bidders for a council seat have their own hidden agenda that suggests that serving the immediate community in which they live is fairly low on their list of priorities. My guess is that all of the major parties will be sweating a bit this weekend as they await the announcement of the candidates. I, for one, hope that we see a robust list of Independent names coming forward and that every one of them take enough votes to leave some bloody noses come voting day and help begin the process of change this Borough both needs and deserves. sonofturpin

10:20am Fri 9 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

Helen, I have heard of what you describe, from a long-time Labour Party activist who was distressed at witnessing this. I didn’t know it was also happening in the LibDem party.

I too would like to know who else is on the LibDem executive.
Helen, I have heard of what you describe, from a long-time Labour Party activist who was distressed at witnessing this. I didn’t know it was also happening in the LibDem party. I too would like to know who else is on the LibDem executive. Janet1

11:48am Fri 9 Apr 10

wfmywordmybond says...

Janet1 wrote:
Helen, I have heard of what you describe, from a long-time Labour Party activist who was distressed at witnessing this. I didn’t know it was also happening in the LibDem party.

I too would like to know who else is on the LibDem executive.
Janet - below is the link to the Walthamstow Lib Dem contact page.
http://walthamstowli
bdems.org.uk/contact
/
Interestingly, it only names the chair as the local party contact.
My sources tell me that the chair is now Cllr Johar Khan and Vice-chair is Cllr Bob Wheatley.
It seems Mr Lake stood down from the chair as he could not bear the pressure of the in fighting?
Even more interestingly a friend of mine has told me Mr Lake is one of the 'official' Lib Dem candidates for the ward where Cllrs Belam, Carey & Macklin were deselected from!!!
I can feel another episode of the House of Cards is in the offing.
[quote][p][bold]Janet1[/bold] wrote: Helen, I have heard of what you describe, from a long-time Labour Party activist who was distressed at witnessing this. I didn’t know it was also happening in the LibDem party. I too would like to know who else is on the LibDem executive.[/p][/quote]Janet - below is the link to the Walthamstow Lib Dem contact page. http://walthamstowli bdems.org.uk/contact / Interestingly, it only names the chair as the local party contact. My sources tell me that the chair is now Cllr Johar Khan and Vice-chair is Cllr Bob Wheatley. It seems Mr Lake stood down from the chair as he could not bear the pressure of the in fighting? Even more interestingly a friend of mine has told me Mr Lake is one of the 'official' Lib Dem candidates for the ward where Cllrs Belam, Carey & Macklin were deselected from!!! I can feel another episode of the House of Cards is in the offing. wfmywordmybond

11:49am Fri 9 Apr 10

wfmywordmybond says...

Janet - below is the link to the Walthamstow Lib Dem contact page.
http://walthamstowli
bdems.org.uk/contact
/
Interestingly, it only names the chair as the local party contact.
My sources tell me that the chair is now Cllr Johar Khan and Vice-chair is Cllr Bob Wheatley.
It seems Mr Lake stood down from the chair as he could not bear the pressure of the in fighting?
Even more interestingly a friend of mine has told me Mr Lake is one of the 'official' Lib Dem candidates for the ward where Cllrs Belam, Carey & Macklin were deselected from!!!
I can feel another episode of the House of Cards is in the offing.
Janet - below is the link to the Walthamstow Lib Dem contact page. http://walthamstowli bdems.org.uk/contact / Interestingly, it only names the chair as the local party contact. My sources tell me that the chair is now Cllr Johar Khan and Vice-chair is Cllr Bob Wheatley. It seems Mr Lake stood down from the chair as he could not bear the pressure of the in fighting? Even more interestingly a friend of mine has told me Mr Lake is one of the 'official' Lib Dem candidates for the ward where Cllrs Belam, Carey & Macklin were deselected from!!! I can feel another episode of the House of Cards is in the offing. wfmywordmybond

11:52am Fri 9 Apr 10

Dave Hall says...

This shambolic behaviour just before an election will just ensure that the Lib Dems do not take the leader's role in the new council. Presumably just to satisfy a factional interest.
The Labour Party used to do these things differently. I remember the GLC elections in May 1981. Labour won, and then the day after the poll they threw out the leader (Andrew McIntosh - I didn't remember him, I had to look him up) and elected Ken Livingstone as leader.
You're supposed to win the election first before throwing out the leader.
Vote for an Independent, Vote Green - go out and vote, but don't reward this inept crew.
This shambolic behaviour just before an election will just ensure that the Lib Dems do not take the leader's role in the new council. Presumably just to satisfy a factional interest. The Labour Party used to do these things differently. I remember the GLC elections in May 1981. Labour won, and then the day after the poll they threw out the leader (Andrew McIntosh - I didn't remember him, I had to look him up) and elected Ken Livingstone as leader. You're supposed to win the election first before throwing out the leader. Vote for an Independent, Vote Green - go out and vote, but don't reward this inept crew. Dave Hall

12:25pm Fri 9 Apr 10

Janet1 says...

What would possess anyone to stand under these circumstances? How would they live it down?

I just hope every independent who stands is elected. With the LibDems in meltdown, that's this borough's only hope.
What would possess anyone to stand under these circumstances? How would they live it down? I just hope every independent who stands is elected. With the LibDems in meltdown, that's this borough's only hope. Janet1

6:16pm Fri 9 Apr 10

Tom Thumb says...

Dave Hall wrote:
This shambolic behaviour just before an election will just ensure that the Lib Dems do not take the leader's role in the new council. Presumably just to satisfy a factional interest. The Labour Party used to do these things differently. I remember the GLC elections in May 1981. Labour won, and then the day after the poll they threw out the leader (Andrew McIntosh - I didn't remember him, I had to look him up) and elected Ken Livingstone as leader. You're supposed to win the election first before throwing out the leader. Vote for an Independent, Vote Green - go out and vote, but don't reward this inept crew.
Dave Hall hits the spot. Vote for an Independent, Vote Green - go out and vote, but don't reward this inept crew. If you vote for any of the three main parties you are just maintaining the status quo. There is very little difference between them.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Hall[/bold] wrote: This shambolic behaviour just before an election will just ensure that the Lib Dems do not take the leader's role in the new council. Presumably just to satisfy a factional interest. The Labour Party used to do these things differently. I remember the GLC elections in May 1981. Labour won, and then the day after the poll they threw out the leader (Andrew McIntosh - I didn't remember him, I had to look him up) and elected Ken Livingstone as leader. You're supposed to win the election first before throwing out the leader. Vote for an Independent, Vote Green - go out and vote, but don't reward this inept crew.[/p][/quote]Dave Hall hits the spot. Vote for an Independent, Vote Green - go out and vote, but don't reward this inept crew. If you vote for any of the three main parties you are just maintaining the status quo. There is very little difference between them. Tom Thumb

11:19pm Fri 9 Apr 10

everoptimistic says...

Don't think I have ever seen as many comments before. John Macklin has been an excellent leader of the Waltham Forest Liberal Democrats. What are the Walthamstow group up to? John - we want you back.
Don't think I have ever seen as many comments before. John Macklin has been an excellent leader of the Waltham Forest Liberal Democrats. What are the Walthamstow group up to? John - we want you back. everoptimistic

12:21am Sat 10 Apr 10

Walthamstonian says...

techno2's comments must be reinstated. Or the reason for their removal clearly stated if his/her entry contravenes House Rules. Having been denied the opportunity to read techno2's contribution I am totally unable to make up my own mind about his/her input to this discussion thread. The implication from those complaining about the removal is that the opinion expressed was merely uncomfortable reading to one or more of the active participants in this story. Public discussion is too important to be subjected to censorship at the local paper which should be doing it's utmost to shed light on events. If there is a genuine reason for removing it state why - otherwise reinstate.
techno2's comments must be reinstated. Or the reason for their removal clearly stated if his/her entry contravenes House Rules. Having been denied the opportunity to read techno2's contribution I am totally unable to make up my own mind about his/her input to this discussion thread. The implication from those complaining about the removal is that the opinion expressed was merely uncomfortable reading to one or more of the active participants in this story. Public discussion is too important to be subjected to censorship at the local paper which should be doing it's utmost to shed light on events. If there is a genuine reason for removing it state why - otherwise reinstate. Walthamstonian

5:46pm Sat 10 Apr 10

E17006 says...

Techno2's comments were similar to the blog-post at the following link:

http://archipelago-o
f-truth.blog.co.uk/2
010/04/07/local-coup
-in-lib-dems-8326202
/
Techno2's comments were similar to the blog-post at the following link: http://archipelago-o f-truth.blog.co.uk/2 010/04/07/local-coup -in-lib-dems-8326202 / E17006

5:47pm Sat 10 Apr 10

E17006 says...

Sorry! Here's a shorter more manageable link:

http://bit.ly/9bFK3I
Sorry! Here's a shorter more manageable link: http://bit.ly/9bFK3I E17006

11:28pm Sat 10 Apr 10

Redfox says...

I am personally delighted to have received information today, all 3 existing Chapel End Ward councillors elected in 2005, Messrs Belam, Carey and Macklin, are all standing in the ward election as Independents.

Those of us in the ward both know and trust their integrity of many, many years faithful service, and can fully understand how they had no desire to be tainted by the disgraceful behaviour of Lib-Dem heirachy in wanting to put forward a 'toady' blue-eyed candidate into a "safe seat".

If anyone in the ward wishes to put up a poster for their campaign, you will already know how to contact them. If not of course, Bob Belam is in the phone book.

This is totally NOT the case with being able to trace the residential whereabouts (in the 'ward'?) of the new team members the LD's want people to vote for in Chapel End.
I am personally delighted to have received information today, all 3 existing Chapel End Ward councillors elected in 2005, Messrs Belam, Carey and Macklin, are all standing in the ward election as Independents. Those of us in the ward both know and trust their integrity of many, many years faithful service, and can fully understand how they had no desire to be tainted by the disgraceful behaviour of Lib-Dem heirachy in wanting to put forward a 'toady' blue-eyed candidate into a "safe seat". If anyone in the ward wishes to put up a poster for their campaign, you will already know how to contact them. If not of course, Bob Belam is in the phone book. This is totally NOT the case with being able to trace the residential whereabouts (in the 'ward'?) of the new team members the LD's want people to vote for in Chapel End. Redfox

9:16pm Sun 11 Apr 10

wfmywordmybond says...

I've noted a number of people have commented on Cllr Khan's non-attendance at his ward surgeries.
Today I spoke with a number of very irritate High Street residents who turned up at his surgery, at Coppermill Primary school, this weekend to speak with him about some personal issues and his involvement in the coup he seems to have presided over in the local Lib Dem party.
As usual he did not turn up. I also hear he did not turn up for his surgeries in December or February.
In regards this weekend he was presumably either campaigning in Enfield in an attempt of becoming an MP or was too scared to face his electorate to explain his actions in his attempt to become the leader of Waltham Forest Lib Dems.
Either way it seems he is not fit for public office.
I've noted a number of people have commented on Cllr Khan's non-attendance at his ward surgeries. Today I spoke with a number of very irritate High Street residents who turned up at his surgery, at Coppermill Primary school, this weekend to speak with him about some personal issues and his involvement in the coup he seems to have presided over in the local Lib Dem party. As usual he did not turn up. I also hear he did not turn up for his surgeries in December or February. In regards this weekend he was presumably either campaigning in Enfield in an attempt of becoming an MP or was too scared to face his electorate to explain his actions in his attempt to become the leader of Waltham Forest Lib Dems. Either way it seems he is not fit for public office. wfmywordmybond

9:45am Mon 12 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

wfmywordmybond
Well said as I myself pointed out how can he commit to residents in Waltham Forest when he cant be bothered to help. All people need to know is that without James O'Rourke who has had nothing to do with fiasco can,does and will get things done. He bothers to turn up to surgeries because he is committed to helping people in the borough/ward he was born in, so please as a decent human being vote for James O'Rourke not necessarily Lib Dems because it clearly is not a team effort. Congratulations by the way for becoming a Grandad at the weekend. Best wishes to your family.
wfmywordmybond Well said as I myself pointed out how can he commit to residents in Waltham Forest when he cant be bothered to help. All people need to know is that without James O'Rourke who has had nothing to do with fiasco can,does and will get things done. He bothers to turn up to surgeries because he is committed to helping people in the borough/ward he was born in, so please as a decent human being vote for James O'Rourke not necessarily Lib Dems because it clearly is not a team effort. Congratulations by the way for becoming a Grandad at the weekend. Best wishes to your family. lillybet1

10:01am Mon 12 Apr 10

lillybet1 says...

Apologies correction to last comment from myself, unlike some I get facts wrong and say sorry.....
James O'Rourke grew up in the High Street Ward since 1967. This makes him committed to the residents of HIS ward and has proved it over the last 4 years. The saying is "you can please some of the people some of the time but you cant please all the people all of the time". I repeat he has worked very hard and will continue to do so.
Apologies correction to last comment from myself, unlike some I get facts wrong and say sorry..... James O'Rourke grew up in the High Street Ward since 1967. This makes him committed to the residents of HIS ward and has proved it over the last 4 years. The saying is "you can please some of the people some of the time but you cant please all the people all of the time". I repeat he has worked very hard and will continue to do so. lillybet1

10:34am Tue 13 Apr 10

Essex Man says...

Vote for change. Vote Conservative.
Vote for change. Vote Conservative. Essex Man

11:42am Tue 13 Apr 10

fabster says...

essex man, don't be silly.
essex man, don't be silly. fabster

12:15pm Tue 13 Apr 10

Techno2 says...

lillybet1 wrote:
Apologies correction to last comment from myself, unlike some I get facts wrong and say sorry..... James O'Rourke grew up in the High Street Ward since 1967. This makes him committed to the residents of HIS ward and has proved it over the last 4 years. The saying is "you can please some of the people some of the time but you cant please all the people all of the time". I repeat he has worked very hard and will continue to do so.
When you say 'since', without clarifiying that he does not in fact live there now, I do hope you are not meaning to give us a false impression that he actually still lives there. If that is that an inadvertant ommission, would you like to correct the fale impression and let us know in what year he last actually lived in the ward he represents?
[quote][p][bold]lillybet1[/bold] wrote: Apologies correction to last comment from myself, unlike some I get facts wrong and say sorry..... James O'Rourke grew up in the High Street Ward since 1967. This makes him committed to the residents of HIS ward and has proved it over the last 4 years. The saying is "you can please some of the people some of the time but you cant please all the people all of the time". I repeat he has worked very hard and will continue to do so.[/p][/quote]When you say 'since', without clarifiying that he does not in fact live there now, I do hope you are not meaning to give us a false impression that he actually still lives there. If that is that an inadvertant ommission, would you like to correct the fale impression and let us know in what year he last actually lived in the ward he represents? Techno2

12:38pm Tue 13 Apr 10

forlorn says...

Sadly this internal dispute in the Walthamstow Lib Dems seems to have been caused by the kind of entryism that has afflicted Tower Hamlets and threatens to afflict mainstream political parties in other areas too. The recent TV Dispatches documentary revealed that some muslim councillors with connections to radical Islamic groups are pushing their way into positions of power on local councils in an attempt to promote their very controversial agenda. A full and fair investigation needs to take place in Walthamstow to weed out those who wish to undermine and corrupt our local democratic political landscape.
Sadly this internal dispute in the Walthamstow Lib Dems seems to have been caused by the kind of entryism that has afflicted Tower Hamlets and threatens to afflict mainstream political parties in other areas too. The recent TV Dispatches documentary revealed that some muslim councillors with connections to radical Islamic groups are pushing their way into positions of power on local councils in an attempt to promote their very controversial agenda. A full and fair investigation needs to take place in Walthamstow to weed out those who wish to undermine and corrupt our local democratic political landscape. forlorn

4:50am Wed 14 Apr 10

E17006 says...

Hi Forlorn,

There is no evidence whatsoever that Ahmed, Kahn and Ali are extremists!

What there is a lot of evidence for though, is that they are really Tories! Each of them is a successful businessman, with lots of money to throw around, and each seems keen on "jobs-for-the-boys".


I would bet that if the Tories weren't so locally unelectable that these guys and their shiny cars would be signing up with Cameron in a shot.
Hi Forlorn, There is no evidence whatsoever that Ahmed, Kahn and Ali are extremists! What there is a lot of evidence for though, is that they are really Tories! Each of them is a successful businessman, with lots of money to throw around, and each seems keen on "jobs-for-the-boys". I would bet that if the Tories weren't so locally unelectable that these guys and their shiny cars would be signing up with Cameron in a shot. E17006

3:55pm Thu 22 Apr 10

forlorn says...

Below is a link to a muslim organisation within the Lib Dems that Farid Ahmed is/was the policy co-ordinator for. Clearly Mr Ahmed regards himself first and foremost as a muslim within the larger framework of the Lib Dems, otherwise he would not be committed to promoting a factional interest within the party that is concerned to promote his religious/cultural beliefs. It is not clear from the link if this entryist organisation still exists. If this Muslim Forum has been disbanded, it would be interesting to know who disbanded it. Anyway, the link serves to prove that Mr Ahmed has a muslim agenda within the Lib Dems.

http://www.muslim.li
bdems.org/about.shtm
l
Below is a link to a muslim organisation within the Lib Dems that Farid Ahmed is/was the policy co-ordinator for. Clearly Mr Ahmed regards himself first and foremost as a muslim within the larger framework of the Lib Dems, otherwise he would not be committed to promoting a factional interest within the party that is concerned to promote his religious/cultural beliefs. It is not clear from the link if this entryist organisation still exists. If this Muslim Forum has been disbanded, it would be interesting to know who disbanded it. Anyway, the link serves to prove that Mr Ahmed has a muslim agenda within the Lib Dems. http://www.muslim.li bdems.org/about.shtm l forlorn

8:50pm Thu 22 Apr 10

Walthamster says...

Thanks for the link, Forlorn. Before now I would have thought a Lib Dem Muslim group was a good idea, bringing more people into the political process. Given what’s been happening in Walthamstow, I’m not so sure any more.

I notice that the press officer, Nasser Butt, is the man who stood unsuccessfully in 2007 against Farooq Qureshi to be Lib Dem PPC in Leyton.

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/14
51885.print/

“RULES to prevent postal vote fraud were broken during the election for the Liberal Democrats' prospective Parliamentary candidate for Leyton and Wanstead, the returning officer (RO) has found.”

Mr Butt “launched a formal complaint, which included allegations of misconduct during the campaign.”

The RO “found a number of the identical envelopes containing applications for postal votes had similar handwriting on them, which did not appear to belong to the people who filled out the forms inside. … and that all of the 16 suspicious postal votes registered a first preference for Cllr Qureshi. “

Later “Mr Butt expressed concern that the RO was powerless to investigate his complaints in full and described the selection process as "tainted".
Thanks for the link, Forlorn. Before now I would have thought a Lib Dem Muslim group was a good idea, bringing more people into the political process. Given what’s been happening in Walthamstow, I’m not so sure any more. I notice that the press officer, Nasser Butt, is the man who stood unsuccessfully in 2007 against Farooq Qureshi to be Lib Dem PPC in Leyton. http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/14 51885.print/ “RULES to prevent postal vote fraud were broken during the election for the Liberal Democrats' prospective Parliamentary candidate for Leyton and Wanstead, the returning officer (RO) has found.” Mr Butt “launched a formal complaint, which included allegations of misconduct during the campaign.” The RO “found a number of the identical envelopes containing applications for postal votes had similar handwriting on them, which did not appear to belong to the people who filled out the forms inside. … and that all of the 16 suspicious postal votes registered a first preference for Cllr Qureshi. “ Later “Mr Butt expressed concern that the RO was powerless to investigate his complaints in full and described the selection process as "tainted". Walthamster

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