WOODFORD GREEN: Man, 83, killed at accident blackspot

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: WOODFORD GREEN: Man, 83, killed at accident blackspot WOODFORD GREEN: Man, 83, killed at accident blackspot

AN ELDERLY man has been killed after being hit by a motorcycle at a notorious accident blackspot.

Police confirm the 83-year-old man was hit by a motorcyclist on Woodford Green High Road, near the junction with Bunces Lane, shortly before 11pm last night (April 29).

Officers closed the road between the junctions with Bunces Lane and Empress Avenue at around 11:30pm.

Both lanes remain blocked to traffic and motorists are using Woodford New Road to bypass the area.

Police have so far been unable to contact the next of kin in order to formally identify the man, who died at the scene.

Eyewitnesses say a second vehicle - a Vauxhall Corsa - collided with the man after he was hit by the bike, although police cannot confirm this at the present time.

In January, 29-year-old jogger Fiona Daniels was killed when she was hit by a car at almost the same spot.

More to follow.

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8:48am Thu 29 Apr 10

Morris Hickey says...

Where are our wonderful police? This notorious locality is used by motorcyclists like a race track, and all the police can do is put up a speed camera. HOW MANY HAVE TO DIE OR BE MAIMED BEFORE SOME POSITIVE, VISIBLE ACTION IS TAKEN?
Where are our wonderful police? This notorious locality is used by motorcyclists like a race track, and all the police can do is put up a speed camera. HOW MANY HAVE TO DIE OR BE MAIMED BEFORE SOME POSITIVE, VISIBLE ACTION IS TAKEN? Morris Hickey

9:52am Thu 29 Apr 10

fjl says...

Morris Hickey wrote:
Where are our wonderful police? This notorious locality is used by motorcyclists like a race track, and all the police can do is put up a speed camera. HOW MANY HAVE TO DIE OR BE MAIMED BEFORE SOME POSITIVE, VISIBLE ACTION IS TAKEN?
I don't think it's appropriate to blame the motorcyclist before all the facts are known. In my opinion motorcyclists in general are much safer drivers than drivers who only drive cars. This is in part due to the fact that we need to drive carefully as are much more vulnerable than car drivers and also have undergone much more road training and testing to be able to ride the bikes. Of course you do have some motorcyclist that take risks and could do with improving their riding techniques but I see much more appalling driving techniques displayed by car divers each and every day.
[quote][p][bold]Morris Hickey[/bold] wrote: Where are our wonderful police? This notorious locality is used by motorcyclists like a race track, and all the police can do is put up a speed camera. HOW MANY HAVE TO DIE OR BE MAIMED BEFORE SOME POSITIVE, VISIBLE ACTION IS TAKEN?[/p][/quote]I don't think it's appropriate to blame the motorcyclist before all the facts are known. In my opinion motorcyclists in general are much safer drivers than drivers who only drive cars. This is in part due to the fact that we need to drive carefully as are much more vulnerable than car drivers and also have undergone much more road training and testing to be able to ride the bikes. Of course you do have some motorcyclist that take risks and could do with improving their riding techniques but I see much more appalling driving techniques displayed by car divers each and every day. fjl

10:03am Thu 29 Apr 10

Morris Hickey says...

Most of them are oblivious to speed limits.
Most of them are oblivious to speed limits. Morris Hickey

10:07am Thu 29 Apr 10

Janice82 says...

Yes cars can drive fast before the speed camera but pedestrians need to use the crossing! They need to press the button and make sure all traffic has stopped before crossing! I passed this accident last night and the guy was hit about 25/30 feet away from the crossing if he had taken an extra 20 to 30 seconds to walk to it maybe this wouldn't have happened!
Yes cars can drive fast before the speed camera but pedestrians need to use the crossing! They need to press the button and make sure all traffic has stopped before crossing! I passed this accident last night and the guy was hit about 25/30 feet away from the crossing if he had taken an extra 20 to 30 seconds to walk to it maybe this wouldn't have happened! Janice82

10:15am Thu 29 Apr 10

pjn says...

I agree. It is tragic that these things happen, but there is only so much the police or council can do. I am pretty sure most times I have tried it even evil motorcyclists stop at red lights on easily accessable crossings.
I agree. It is tragic that these things happen, but there is only so much the police or council can do. I am pretty sure most times I have tried it even evil motorcyclists stop at red lights on easily accessable crossings. pjn

10:41am Thu 29 Apr 10

fjl says...

Morris Hickey wrote:
Most of them are oblivious to speed limits.
Are you honestly trying to say that "Most motorcyclist do not obey speed limits and most car driver do"? I don't think anybody could agree with that!
[quote][p][bold]Morris Hickey[/bold] wrote: Most of them are oblivious to speed limits.[/p][/quote]Are you honestly trying to say that "Most motorcyclist do not obey speed limits and most car driver do"? I don't think anybody could agree with that! fjl

2:03pm Thu 29 Apr 10

SurvivorMentality says...

Fjl, you're clearly not the numpty motorcyclist who followed me from Rolls Park to Chigwell earlier this week. He was positioned in my blind spot so close to my boot that if I'd braked he would have had no chance and would have gone straight over the top of my car. There are bad bike riders just as there are bad car drivers.
Fjl, you're clearly not the numpty motorcyclist who followed me from Rolls Park to Chigwell earlier this week. He was positioned in my blind spot so close to my boot that if I'd braked he would have had no chance and would have gone straight over the top of my car. There are bad bike riders just as there are bad car drivers. SurvivorMentality

8:12pm Thu 29 Apr 10

Adam85 says...

I was there last night. I didn't the witness the accident itself but we stopped to try to help him not more than 40 seconds later. It was horrific enough that I'm having difficulty typing but feel I have to at least counter some of these completely baseless accusations against the motorcyclist.

The eyewitnesses present appeared to all be in agreement when they said he swerved to avoid the man which threw him off his bike. What I saw was that the motorcyclist was deeply shaken.

Right after being hit by the bike witnesses reported that he was hit by the car behind and run right over by the car behind that.

I know there is a proper investigation to be carried out but multiple impacts can't be put down to driver error unless they're all the witnesses were wrong and the initial impact knocked him into oncoming traffic in the other lane.

From everything I saw, however, this wasn't the case and there was little doubt from the extent of his injuries that it had been a multiple impact.

Now this could all be heat of the moment but the impression most witnesses had was that this was a hit and run on the part of one of the drivers. None of the bystanders put their hand up to being one of those drivers and no doubt this is why police won't confirm a car was involved at all until they've dealt with witnesses.

It's my belief that we should always remember our happy toleration thousands of deaths for the sake of our low cost personal convenience next time we feel close to hysteria about murder rates, bird flu, terrorists and so on.

If the entire idea of putting motorvehicles on roads were proposed today along with the certain and true guarantee that they would kill many thousands it wouldn't pass.

We are willing to accept any foolishness so long as we are allowed to do it gradually.
I was there last night. I didn't the witness the accident itself but we stopped to try to help him not more than 40 seconds later. It was horrific enough that I'm having difficulty typing but feel I have to at least counter some of these completely baseless accusations against the motorcyclist. The eyewitnesses present appeared to all be in agreement when they said he swerved to avoid the man which threw him off his bike. What I saw was that the motorcyclist was deeply shaken. Right after being hit by the bike witnesses reported that he was hit by the car behind and run right over by the car behind that. I know there is a proper investigation to be carried out but multiple impacts can't be put down to driver error unless they're all the witnesses were wrong and the initial impact knocked him into oncoming traffic in the other lane. From everything I saw, however, this wasn't the case and there was little doubt from the extent of his injuries that it had been a multiple impact. Now this could all be heat of the moment but the impression most witnesses had was that this was a hit and run on the part of one of the drivers. None of the bystanders put their hand up to being one of those drivers and no doubt this is why police won't confirm a car was involved at all until they've dealt with witnesses. It's my belief that we should always remember our happy toleration thousands of deaths for the sake of our low cost personal convenience next time we feel close to hysteria about murder rates, bird flu, terrorists and so on. If the entire idea of putting motorvehicles on roads were proposed today along with the certain and true guarantee that they would kill many thousands it wouldn't pass. We are willing to accept any foolishness so long as we are allowed to do it gradually. Adam85

2:25pm Wed 5 May 10

rubberneck says...

I think that considering a jogger was killed here a few weeks ago and now this elderly gentleman that it is high time that they put speed humps along this stretch and/or chicanes to slow down the mad motorcyclist, cars, W13 and even crazy cyclists who use the down hill bit to their advantage. This is a dangerous stretch of road and you never see a Policeman here at all. They are further up the road picking on people for nothing.
I think that considering a jogger was killed here a few weeks ago and now this elderly gentleman that it is high time that they put speed humps along this stretch and/or chicanes to slow down the mad motorcyclist, cars, W13 and even crazy cyclists who use the down hill bit to their advantage. This is a dangerous stretch of road and you never see a Policeman here at all. They are further up the road picking on people for nothing. rubberneck

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