LOUGHTON: Muslim prayer leader lied about kidnap (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)
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Noor Ramjanally sentenced to imprisonment at Chelmsford Crown Court
1:43pm Friday 11th June 2010 in News By Edmund Tobin
Noor Ramjanally
A SELF-STYLED Muslim leader whose false accusations of kidnap cost the police and council over £10,000 has been sentenced to prison.
Noor Ramjanally, 36, of Valley Hill, Loughton, was sentenced at Chelmsford Crown Court in his absence as the jury was told he had fled the country earlier this year.
Ramjanally claimed in August last year he had been kidnapped from his home address by two men, driven into Epping Forest and threatened at knifepoint to stop the Islamic prayer meetings he was holding at Murray Hall, in Borders Lane, Loughton.
But Judge Karen Walden-Smith described his allegations as a “pack of lies” after they were undermined by CCTV footage covertly installed at his flat for his own protection.
Prosecutor Matthew Gowan said, after earlier allegations made by Ramjanally of an arson attack at his home the council and police spent £1,300 installing extra security at his flat, including a fire door and video intercom system.
After his kidnap allegations, the police spent 1,850 man hours investigating his case at a cost of £9,234.
The court also heard, after Ramjanally's claims, the local area had suffered increased racial tensions and an increase in instances of racist graffiti.
The extra measures put in place at Ramjanally's flat proved his undoing as the CCTV cameras installed there proved no abduction had taken place.
Judge Walden-Smith said: “The camera clearly showed him leaving the premises. At the time he was being 'abducted' he was not in the presence of men threatening him with a knife, but simply walking calmly down the stairs.”
Ramjanally was picked up on CCTV later that day browsing the shelves at Homebase at the time he was alleged to have been kidnapped.
Sentencing Ramjanally to two years' imprisonment, Judge Walden-Smith said: “This allegation was a complete pack of lies. This was one of the worst examples of perverting the course of justice I've seen striking at the fabric of the justice system and also community relations.”
As Ramjanally is currently out of the country the police are currently considering their options to return him to justice.
After the guilty verdict was issued, Mr Gowan revealed Ramjanally is also on bail for three other offences.
He is alleged to have stolen money from South Woodford Mosque, where he was a member, and is also facing an allegation of fraud in relation to the mosque.
He is on bail for an allegation relating to benefits and was being investigated by the UK Borders Agency on suspicion he had greatly outstayed his leave in the country.
Comments(42)
e17neighbour
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2:24pm Fri 11 Jun 10
Quickexit
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3:11pm Fri 11 Jun 10
He could not care less about those he betrayed, even his own innocent family. He feels absolutely no remorse. He couldn't care less that he tore apart community relations, undermined his own community and cast doubt about every single genuine case of racial abuse and harassment that has happened in the past and could happen in the future.
I managed to track him down in his native Mauritius and emailed him to ask what he was up to. He said "life is nice and blooming". He claims that it was all an elaborate stitch-up by the police and the courts. Just more lies.
This man should be brought back to the UK and serve time. He should be made an example of so that Loughton can close this chapter and begin repairing the damage this selfish man has caused.
janusbranzer
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4:37pm Fri 11 Jun 10
Quickexit
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5:01pm Fri 11 Jun 10
The problem now is that the next time a racist attack happens, people and the police will start suspecting and blaming the victim. Ramjanally has potentially put members of ethnic minorities in a vulnerable and dangerous situation. They are now more alienated than ever and Loughton is a more difficult place in which to integrate. The atmosphere of suspicion will linger far longer than Ramjanally's prison sentence, which I think is far too short - Karen Matthews got eight years for this kind of stunt. It's not the situation people like me, who really wanted to get the community fully united against this kind of anti-social behaviour, wanted to happen.
rubberneck
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5:17pm Fri 11 Jun 10
Of course this Noor has done worse for race relations in Loughton by fueling racial hatred and I cannot understand why he was not charged with this offence as well.
Johnathan Bunn
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7:10pm Fri 11 Jun 10
Islam is not compatible with democracy.
Democracy or Islam, decide.
Johnathan Bunn
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7:16pm Fri 11 Jun 10
Johnathan Bunn
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7:38pm Fri 11 Jun 10
As far as the child bride issue of course you are right. It is a matter of history except that in 2010 little girls are being married and raped and then dying in childbirth using the excuse of "The Prophet did it". The ex governor of a Province of Nigeria is challenging child protection law because it is his right as a Muslim man..to marry a baby.
Johnathan Bunn
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7:39pm Fri 11 Jun 10
larry g
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7:57pm Fri 11 Jun 10
Johnathan Bunn wrote:sorry mate....think youve lost the plot
Democracy or Islam, decide
Johnathan Bunn
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8:01pm Fri 11 Jun 10
larry g wrote:Islam is just not compatible with democracy.
Johnathan Bunn wrote:sorry mate....think youve lost the plot
Democracy or Islam, decide
What we are seeing now is Islamic ghettos springing up . The Dutch have learned the lesson of being free an easy with these people and their 'religion of peace' .
TheydonandEpping
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1:42am Sat 12 Jun 10
Quickexit
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4:42am Sat 12 Jun 10
Also, Dr Mohammed Fahim, the supposedly moderate imam of South Woodford Mosque, was keen to drag this into politics. He was the one who appointed the likes of Islamic extremist Abdurahman Jafari of the Muslim Safety Group to run Ramjanally's publicity campaign. He was the one who had devised a strategy with the Iranian extremist Islamic Human Rights Commission to get this on the Iranian government's Press TV and other international media to shame Loughton. No local person was involved - Fahim and his ilk deliberately sidelined ordinary local people in their political quest to turn this fraudster and fantasist into a martyr. Funnily enough, Ramjanally stole from them as well!
I feel very bitter about the Ramjanally affair. There will be no more community solidarity for genuine victims of racism in Loughton. They will just have to suffer in silence.
Quickexit
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5:12am Sat 12 Jun 10
Quickexit
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5:51am Sat 12 Jun 10
Ian Blair formed a pact with the extremist Muslim Safety Forum, which was also deeply involved in the Ramjanally case: http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/l
aw-and-order/7339604
/Sir-Ian-Blairs-deal
-with-Islamic-radica
l.html . When he was Commissioner, Blair signed a deal with the MSF - the organisation that helped handle Ramjanally's publicity - to "recognise the MSF as the principal body in relation to Muslim community safety and security." The police and the MSF, which has close links with the jihadist Islamic Forum of Europe, held monthly meetings on safety issues and at some point Ramjanally's case must have been raised. How much information did the Islamic groups and the police share about Ramjanally? Did they play along with his fantasies, knowing that they were possibly untrue given his past form?
rubberneck
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7:37am Sat 12 Jun 10
The South Woodford Mosque was built initially without any planning consent. Any objections are met with accusations of racism.
Quickexit
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7:59am Sat 12 Jun 10
We also had a bag of dog poo set alight on our doorstep in the middle of the night by someone shouting racist abuse, although we didn't go to the press or make a song and dance over it. We just put it down to some teenage prank. But I and others felt that if this was a pattern of behaviour, then some racists were clearly victimising non-white residents and the community should rally against it. If the police had no doubts, then why should we?
MICHAEL MCGOUGH
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9:20am Sat 12 Jun 10
pan
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9:32am Sat 12 Jun 10
The photo shoot with the police and Mr Fahim was right at the very beginning of this sad saga.
There was The Police, Mr Fahim, The Town Mayor and the criminal in the photo. No one has thought that just possibly the police might know what was going on and for other reasons had no option but to let this go ahead?
Maybe this man did have a criminal record or was an illegal immigrant? But that does not mean that his latest claim had no credence, it would have to be investigated.
They have to take things on face evidence and facts regardless of public opinion. The "facts" of this case are that many people jumped on the band wagon of "make believe". The police were no part of the later hysteria surrounding the kidnap and actually moved remarkably quickly in arresting the criminal.
Most of the hysteria surrounding this case was engineered by people using the good folk of Loughton for political gain and profile.
There are other issues surrounding this case that you guys haven't even considered.
Still people are going on about other "attacks" again trying to somehow insinuate that there is an air of suspicion around the BNP presence in the area.
Kids do stupid pranks. dogs crap on your doorstep etc is disgusting, nasty and quite simply unacceptable. But it is no way related to this story. You sadly don't have to be of any particular colour/creed etc to be a victim of this sort of harassment, If you don't know who did it then why assume it has a racial implication? That sentiment is exactly what has given this idiots claims credence.
The BNP along with other parties and the council knew he was bailed to his home address in Redbridge, they also knew he was an Illegal Immigrant. So did others that used this for political and electoral success. They portrayed a story to suite their own agenda to the local electorate, they "led" them and did nothing to alleviate any tension that was forming.
The council knew the facts and did nothing to rebut the lies, even though they have a duty to during election times.
There is a point here that needs to be considered. The BNP were victimised during this affair, they took a lot of flak, electoral battering with this topic, and acted professionally with respect for the Law and the judicial system in the hope that justice would be served. It was served and that highlights the facts that you should always listen to both sides before you jump to assumption, especially with subjects so sensitive to community relations. The Local BNP believes the initial "fire bomb" attacks were also orchestrated by the man in an attempt to "prime" this stunt.
You should all consider that doing something as stupid and nasty as that would never aid the work of a political party and would undo any of the work they had done, so maybe if the BNP had been listened to at the beginning and been given a chance to respond to the claims, the rest of the antics wouldn't have followed.
The main reason that this got so out of perspective is third party campaigning and lies from people out of the area winding the situation up and using the good people of the towns better nature to their own means, Aided by a few of their sympathisers to gain credibility.
The Police, frustratingly enough would not side with anyone during this event, That was right, and now has been proved to be the right course of action for them, so credit where it is due, Given the "tension" surrounding this case the last thing they probably wanted to do was to have to arrest this man, It shows that we do have a Police force in Essex that is working behind the scenes and has its "finger on the button" Something that we should all be thankful for! So when you hear stupid nonsense claims in the future and nothing seems to be being done except media hysteria and local supposition before jumping to conclusions that suite your political agenda consider that there is always two sides to a story and that we have a police force that will act on facts and uphold the law to protect our community from criminals that will damage our community.
Its a shame that the council, the local political parties, the Churches, the local media etc can not show the same professionalism.
Quickexit
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9:56am Sat 12 Jun 10
Because the person running away when I opened the door to see the dog poo on fire on the doorstep was shouting 'go home, effing ****'. It wasn't worth making a fuss over, although it is depressing to face such an attack on your home.
Naturally, when it happens to someone else, you want to show support, eg joining the police, faith groups, schools and councillors to condemn it. At the time, no-one was mentioning the BNP. In fact, the BNP involved itself in the whole issue by producing a leaflet campaigning against Murray Hall being turned into a mosque, something which no-one had ever proposed. As a result of its intervention, the BNP made itself the target of suspicion. Before that, the issue had been simply about someone being the target of a racist attack.
What subsequently happened - the way the case was promoted by Fahim and his associates and then the kidnap story - took it well beyond just a community saying racist attacks are wrong. It became a turf war between Islamists and the BNP. But by that time, all the local people who wanted to help someone who they were told by the police was a victim of crime were being alienated by the campaign surrounding Ramjanally. Yes, there were third parties involved, including some shady Islamist groups the police mysteriously regard as legitimate allies, and they didn't help matters. But don't blame those of us who, in good faith, wanted to help the victim of a racist attack and his family.
pan
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12:51pm Sat 12 Jun 10
The people that are in public positions that knew the facts should have not allowed the good people of Loughton to have these elevated concerns that were not real. They used honest and genuine concerns to gain political.
advantage.
I am agreeing with you if you read without bias. It was right for locals to be genuinely concerned.
It was wrong for people in a responsible position to knowingly use and abuse that feeling of concern.
The facts are that the man did advertise Murray hall as a mosque. He called it a Mosque, He is a liar and a cheat and was knowingly using the people of Loughton to suite his own agenda.
This fact was challenged by the BNP in a leaflet. The moment that the council guaranteed that this group was only hiring the hall and would get no further exclusivity over it the BNP shut up.
The BNP are not opposed to locals hiring the hall for whatever they want .The concern was that this man was not local, (now proved) and had a hidden agenda (now proved) and because of over zealous politically correct enhancement schemes the BNP felt that this was being overlooked in the aim to comply with the need to welcome anyone without basic background checks. Again now proved to have been a sensible suggestion.
The reason that the BNP defended this issue and suspected something was wrong was because of the public meeting at Murray hall.
Consider the fact that it was in the middle of the BNP wards, wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that maybe the BNP might have wished to speak out against a terrible chain of events in its community either?
If it were true it would probably have had more of an impact into community cohesion for the BNP to have spoken out against such an atrocious attack, The BNP never got the chance and were never informed of the meeting.
You should have reported any crime that intimidated you in your own home, In fact the BNP councillors have helped many people as far as their council position allows them with issues such as that, regardless of colour or creed, Its just that local outlets never have given any coverage to the good things that they have done. Up until now there has been a complete denial surrounding the true aspects and implication of crime in the area, plus a complete cover up and misrepresentation of anything good the BNP has done for the residents.
You were right to be concerned about the case, you were right to be vocal about your concerns, however you did also have the right to be free from misrepresentation of the facts and to not be played and used as a political pawn.
the BNP (contrary to many peoples opinion) also had the right to fair representation and also had the right for its councillors to be able to challenge any questions and concerns through the proper channels. They were denied this right and actively prevented from carrying out their democratic rights, also refused a chance of free speech and defence in all the allegations surrounding this case and its later implications.
You might think that oh well tough for them, which is your right, but if this goes unchecked then what else can happen in the future if in other events one group of people decide to become almost vigilante in their actions and judgements against others? People that are in a position of public respect and influence? Its not just the BNP that can fall foul to this liberal dictatorship attitude that has developed in our area!
It can (as has just been proved) have major implications into the social aspects of our towns!
inézc
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1:57pm Sat 12 Jun 10
Quickexit
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3:38pm Sat 12 Jun 10
As you said before, I thought it was a typical prank and the racist name-calling my wife and son receive hanging around in the street is from the same kind of chavs that harass other local people, particularly women. I'd say that Loughton generally had a problem with anti-social behaviour and that these yobs are just using someone's race to upset them. What can we do? We can't phone up the newspaper for every time someone screams abuse and the police don't do much. People have given up on any action and we just have to put up with low-level abuse, particularly now that prat Ramjanally has effectively made any victim of harassment suspicious.
"You were right to be concerned about the case, you were right to be vocal about your concerns, however you did also have the right to be free from misrepresentation of the facts and to not be played and used as a political pawn"
I agree with you. I primarily wanted to see the community unite and be positive in the face of racism and to speak up simply for the freedom of worship. That's all the actually local people wanted. I didn't expect that he and his ilk would embarrass us and that it would become political or that Loughton would be thrust into a negative publicity whirlwind that spanned the globe, thanks to the network of Islamist groups Dr Fahim was involved with.
I don't see how the BNP were denied freedom of speech. It looked like they were wanted to muscle in on the whole issue even in the early days, before the kidnapping nonsense.
I don't think the BNP played its hand very well, to be honest, and Pat Richardson's various comments only helped fuel suspicions. People don't care that a group of Muslims want to pray once a week in a community centre. Nor do they like racist attacks. If the BNP had waited and bided its time, it would have gained. But it got itself bogged down in the mire by a rather silly leaflet and, for me at least, the whole issue turned from one about challenging racism to one of Islamists and their allies and the BNP slugging it out over Murray Hall - a battle that I, for one, never intended to get involved in. And given that the BNP lost all the seats they were defending this year in Epping Forest, Ramjanally's arrest was a Pyrrhic victory for the BNP.
Inezc: I want Ramjanally in prison. He is acting very smug about this, boasting in emails to the police and others about how his life is so great in Mauritius. He has fled back there having stolen benefits, stolen money from his own mosque and caused irreparable damage to a community he was not a part of. At least, he should be made an example of. And while the penal system is meant to be about protection and rehabilitation, I also want vengeance. The BNP can annoy and offend me, but Ramjanally has caused real damage and potentially put people's safety at risk. The cost of extradition and imprisonment is a drop in the ocean. We need to send a message that this behaviour can never be tolerated and we need to punish this nasty little man. Write to your MP and write to the Mauritian press demanding that he be extradited.
Quickexit
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3:41pm Sat 12 Jun 10
pan
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3:57pm Sat 12 Jun 10
The comments were spread by the anti BNP media. Again can you believe everything you read?
The Guardian (national) broke that statement about broken windows. The Guardian (national) is aligned with a group called Quilliam who try to discredit the BNP through the media and promote Islam.
Given that the main perpetrators of that smear was Hope not Hate and the anti-BNP tabloids I leave that to your own discretion. Nothing in this case was as it seems right from the beginning. Except for the fact that the BNP had nothing to do with it and only sought to defend through proper channels.
It was requested through many different channels that there should be a meeting with all sides to work together after the publicity stunt at the hall, but this was refused as people were disgusted with our actions (that we didn't do) that's why the leaflets then had to go out and a petition of support gathered to gather momentum to be listened to at council. It was still refused and our councillors were excluded from committees ever since.!Never Once has anyone asked the BNP for a comment or anything over this matter! But they have all criticised
inézc
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5:25pm Sat 12 Jun 10
Quickexit
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6:17pm Sat 12 Jun 10
Actually, I disagree. The more someone protests and the more hysterical they become, the more I distrust. As that Shakesperean line goes, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
The fact is that the BNP were not accused until the BNP sent out a leaflet making claims about Murray Hall. Sometimes patience pays off dividends. The BNP lacks political nous.
For the record, I was one of those who urged Noor Ramjanally to seek reconciliation with all sides and who drafted his letter to the Epping Forest Guardian, at his request and in consultation with him, which read:
"I would like to provide reassurance to those who may have concerns and anxieties and to state the facts. Murray Hall was chosen as a venue purely for its central location in Loughton, so it can be reached easily by all local Muslims living and working in the town. It is used for less than an hour every Friday lunchtime. The Muslim community does not regard Murray Hall as a mosque and does not wish to turn it into a mosque ... The Muslim community wishes to extend a hand of friendship to all other faith groups and the wider community, including councillors of all parties."
The whole letter was intended to allay concerns and the tone was deliberately intended not to apportion blame. I insisted that he leave the door open to BNP councillors for dialogue and rule out any use of Murray Hall as a mosque in order to scale down tensions. But his subsequent actions were against the spirit of this letter and everything he said, due in large part to his mentoring by Dr Fahim and other people from outside Loughton. Although the BNP are seeking to blame the Loughton Residents Association of politicising the whole thing, as an insider to what was going on I think the situation quickly ran out of their control. If anything, the LRA as an organisation was cautious and did no more than the police did - only, unlike the police, they did not know the man's past reputation as a compulsive liar and fraudster. If anything, it was the self-appointed 'community leaders' from London that were provocative, the ones who the Metropolitan Police cower in front of. The vested interests that were manipulating the situation had nothing to do with the town.
All hopes of uniting everyone in the community, including the BNP councillors, were shattered by these selfish, irresponsible and political actions. I am ashamed to have been associated with a liar and petty thief and I am certain there are others who feel the same.
Quickexit
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6:30pm Sat 12 Jun 10
pan
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8:12pm Sat 12 Jun 10
As for your assumptions about the rest of the political parties involved and I stress the word assumption, we will see! and time will tell! before
you again jump blindly to someone's side consider the facts that you don't obviously know the full story and and there is always two sides to a story as we have previously discussed.
You have judged again already without knowing the full facts. They will follow!
No where have I accused you of being anything, except judgemental on this topic.
All that has been done here is highlighting the need for proper democratic discussion over sensitive issues. To jump to assumptions and try to make it look like you are being portrayed badly is being a tad defensive and unnecessary isn't it?
You have many opinions on many subjects on these pages? Just because you feel something is right that doesn't make it right does it? and once again for the record I state that I can understand and think you did the right thing standing up for what you believe in. I can understand that you might hate the fact that the BNP were proved right and that does not please you and probably many others.
I hope that the only thing that you and others can see out of this situation is that you have to look objectively at both sides when someone adamantly declares that something is wrong. Your opinion that that can mean they are guilty is again opinion.
For clarification as well the BNP did request to many different bodies that they would like to have a chance to mediate between the prayer group and the local branch to alleviate tensions. Even people from the Woodford Mosque approached the Branch to say they thought that was a good idea. The branch asked for it to be on a neutral ground and neutral platform with other parties present but no-one from the "democratic" organisations would participate or saw the need for it. The BNP were guilty without trial in their opinion. It also didn't coincide with the bigger picture. More on that to follow elsewhere.
We would appreciate an explanation as to why political parties, The churches, the Media and other prominent locals misjudged this so badly. Dont forget the vicars opinions at the remembrance day parade.
Dont forget the MP being behind the vicars comments and supporting his actions.
By this time we were aware of the facts and kept quiet. We only shouted our defence at something being wrong.
If the facts were not that hard for us to find then why did professional people with supposed real concern for community cohesion etc still back this man when they knew he was wrong.
The only reason that I can assume and this is my assumption!!!! is that they hoped that if they pushed the BNP members locally hard enough they would eventually do something stupid and wrong to actually be guilty of. That would have been the ideal scenario to make this all go away.
Quickexit
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4:57am Sun 13 Jun 10
Actually, I'm not sure that bothers me much. I am far more upset at the sense of betrayal by Ramjanally and the Islamic groups around him as well as the police who knew he was a fantasist with a history of making wild allegations but continued to give him credibility by turning up in force for the media.
"We would appreciate an explanation as to why political parties, The churches, the Media and other prominent locals misjudged this so badly."
They didn't have the full facts and took it in good faith that someone who reported a crime was a victim of crime. The BNP's position appeared to be, at the time, that the man was lying because he was Muslim. A lot of people at the time thought that while the BNP may not have been directly behind the attack, it was seeking to divide the community further and cause yet more tensions by making unfounded allegations that Murray Hall would be converted into a mosque. As I said, the BNP's leaflet drew attention to itself - only then did the Guardian interview BNP Councillor Pat Richardson, who denied BNP involvement and said "Firebombing is not a British method. A brick through the window is a British method." A comment that she no doubts regrets making.
But there were also allusions to "reliable sources" and I heard one BNP member boast that there were sympathetic policemen, including a son of a BNP councillor, who were giving them the "full facts". It could all be gossip in the heated atmosphere at the time - I asked a senior policeman about this and he simply said that there were no BNP members in Essex police. I suspect that the top brass were cowering in front of politically well-connected Islamist groups like MSF - the Metropolitan Police's official contact with the "Muslim community" (in reality, there is no single, monolithic Muslim community and MSF is just a racist jihadist group) - and wanted to use Ramjanally to show how pro-Muslim they are. But there were some mid-ranking officers who had information and had serious misgivings and perhaps were leaking it to the BNP. Yes, this is all speculation, but perhaps you can set the record straight. How were you so sure of your claims?
As for mediation, I had the agreement of a prominent North London rabbi who has a good track record of mediation between Muslims and Jews to intercede as a mediator in this issue. I was about to propose this, but just then Ramjanally came up with his incredible kidnap story, which didn't make any sense and which only the jihadists were prepared to believe.
I don't know what vicar you are talking about. At the Friday prayer meeting people attended, there was only one pastor from an evangelical church and he made no mention of the BNP. The MP was not in attendance.
Quickexit
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5:08am Sun 13 Jun 10
word of mouth
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9:41am Sun 13 Jun 10
rubberneck
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12:56pm Sun 13 Jun 10
Quickexit wrote:The police obviously 'smelt a rat' at an early stage and for this reason as well as giving him the benefit of doubt installed the cctv. It was the silly and gullible people protesting that supported this con man and put pressure on the police to act even if at the end of it he was foung out. The whole episode was insidious and it just goes to show how loose our borders are letting in crooks like this bloke to claim benefits and stir up racial hatred by lies.
rubberneck: Why would people have reason to doubt that someone could have had their front door set alight in a racist attack? The police were willing to speak to the press and be photographed supporting someone who was meant to be a victim of crime. They made it credible. We also had a bag of dog poo set alight on our doorstep in the middle of the night by someone shouting racist abuse, although we didn't go to the press or make a song and dance over it. We just put it down to some teenage prank. But I and others felt that if this was a pattern of behaviour, then some racists were clearly victimising non-white residents and the community should rally against it. If the police had no doubts, then why should we?
pan
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3:46pm Sun 13 Jun 10
No information came via the Police, its ridiculous to assume that. so I assume you have just ruined your relationship with who ever you are talking to!You just cant help yourself can you!
And one last time they were aware of all the facts, just chose to ignore them!
MICHAEL MCGOUGH
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4:07pm Sun 13 Jun 10
Quickexit
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4:40am Mon 14 Jun 10
Quickexit
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6:32am Mon 14 Jun 10
Quickexit
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4:17pm Mon 14 Jun 10
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The comments at the end of the article, some in French, show complete disgust and contempt by fellow Mauritians, who live in a highly tolerant culture.
They state:
- "He should be sent to Saudi Arabia for another trial"
- "He should be sent back to England and serve time. Mauritian authorities should do their share and ensure he faces the music. He is a fraud ... Lock him up!"
- "He needs to pay for what he has done. He has given a bad name to Mauritius. I have friends who are Muslims and they swear the the Quran does not preach that stuff. Extradite him!"
- "It's because of people like him that we get strange questions from immigration officials in Europe"
- "He brings shame to Mauritius and his family. He is a fraudster, liar and illegal immigrant. No wonder, when the Mauritian present his / her passport in Europe, they demand questions of you and make your life hell before you are allowed into the country. This idiot will not help decent Mauritians wanting to visit the UK or Europe. I trust the Mauritians will put that fraudster away for a few years before handing him over to the British authorities for another stint in jail there."
- "This prat is giving Mauritians a bad name. I hope that the Mauritian government will put him behind bars and kick him very badly! It also brings shame on his own religion. This just disgusts me."
And Mauritius is a small place - not easy to hide from this! He is now hated in Mauritius
word of mouth
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4:35pm Mon 14 Jun 10
rubberneck
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10:35pm Mon 14 Jun 10
Quickexit wrote:Surly he should come back as he faces torture and breaches of his human rights staying there?
Even if Ramjanally isn't extradited, he has been shamed in the Mauritian media: http://www.lexpress. mu/story/12944-grand e-bretagne-un-mauric ien-condamne-a-la-pr ison-par-contumace-p our-fausse-declarati on.html The comments at the end of the article, some in French, show complete disgust and contempt by fellow Mauritians, who live in a highly tolerant culture. They state: - "He should be sent to Saudi Arabia for another trial" - "He should be sent back to England and serve time. Mauritian authorities should do their share and ensure he faces the music. He is a fraud ... Lock him up!" - "He needs to pay for what he has done. He has given a bad name to Mauritius. I have friends who are Muslims and they swear the the Quran does not preach that stuff. Extradite him!" - "It's because of people like him that we get strange questions from immigration officials in Europe" - "He brings shame to Mauritius and his family. He is a fraudster, liar and illegal immigrant. No wonder, when the Mauritian present his / her passport in Europe, they demand questions of you and make your life hell before you are allowed into the country. This idiot will not help decent Mauritians wanting to visit the UK or Europe. I trust the Mauritians will put that fraudster away for a few years before handing him over to the British authorities for another stint in jail there." - "This prat is giving Mauritians a bad name. I hope that the Mauritian government will put him behind bars and kick him very badly! It also brings shame on his own religion. This just disgusts me." And Mauritius is a small place - not easy to hide from this! He is now hated in Mauritius
loughtonkid
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9:33am Tue 15 Jun 10
loughtonkid says...
2:11pm Fri 11 Jun 10
This man has made racial tensions in Loughton much worse than they already were. Its no wonder some people support the BNP (i dont!), if people like this waste police time, use up tax payers money and commit benefit fraud.