WALTHAM FOREST: Rubbish trucks descend on town square for fly-tip campaign

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A TOTAL of 15 trucks full of fly-tipped rubbish were driven into Walthamstow Town Square this morning as part of a council stunt.

Cllr Clyde Loakes, the authority's cabinet member for the environment, said he hoped it would shock people into "thinking twice" about dumping waste in the streets.

The spectacle marked the launch of a new council publicity drive to combat fly-tipping, which costs the borough an estimated £1.5million a year.

A council spokesman said the quantity reflected the amount of street rubbish collected between 5am and 7am on "an average morning" in the borough.

Cllr Loakes added: “There is absolutely no excuse to fly-tip in Waltham Forest because we’ll take your rubbish away free of charge. We simply won’t stand for it.

“We spend a fortune each year on clearing rubbish from our streets and it infuriates residents when they see sofas and mattress dumped on the pavement.

“We think showing people the amount of rubbish we clear in just two hours every morning will really shock them and hopefully make people think twice before they dump unwanted items on the road.

“Residents who choose to fly-tip also need to be aware that we are constantly gathering evidence to prosecute and if we catch them at it we’ll prosecute them and they are likely to end up facing a hefty fine.”

The council are urging resident to use its free bulky waste collection service instead.

However it comes just two weeks after the authority was accused of fly-tipping itself after a builder discovered that some council cardboard boxes were dumped in his skip.

The council apologised and blamed the incident on an inexperienced contract worker.

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3:27pm Tue 16 Nov 10

myopinioncounts says...

Multi-lingual notices are needed to inform residents about fly-tipping and the council's collection systems.
I witnessed 2 men with a shopping trolley full of metal and wood dismantling it and dumping the wood in St. James's park, Walthamstow.
I have seen this many times and think they are taking the metal for the scrap value.
I told them it was illegal to dump the wood and they could be fined but they did not understand english.
Drain covers have also been removed in the vicinity of the park leaving a dangerous hole.
Multi-lingual notices are needed to inform residents about fly-tipping and the council's collection systems. I witnessed 2 men with a shopping trolley full of metal and wood dismantling it and dumping the wood in St. James's park, Walthamstow. I have seen this many times and think they are taking the metal for the scrap value. I told them it was illegal to dump the wood and they could be fined but they did not understand english. Drain covers have also been removed in the vicinity of the park leaving a dangerous hole. myopinioncounts
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4:21pm Tue 16 Nov 10

Chinwagger says...

So instead of collecting rubbish, flytipped or otherwise Loakes embarks on waste of time and fuel by parading lorries around the Town Square?

It is very difficult to dispose of rubbish. When you ring waltham Forest direct, they ask for each bit of rubbish by description, takes ages. Is there any wonder why it gets dumped?

Manhole covers going is theft for the scrap by the way, Myopinions
So instead of collecting rubbish, flytipped or otherwise Loakes embarks on waste of time and fuel by parading lorries around the Town Square? It is very difficult to dispose of rubbish. When you ring waltham Forest direct, they ask for each bit of rubbish by description, takes ages. Is there any wonder why it gets dumped? Manhole covers going is theft for the scrap by the way, Myopinions Chinwagger
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4:50pm Tue 16 Nov 10

jef costello says...

Flytippers don't care. This will have zero effect.

And don't even get me started on the irony of this stunt, from a council that hasn't even got the leaves swept on my street.
Flytippers don't care. This will have zero effect. And don't even get me started on the irony of this stunt, from a council that hasn't even got the leaves swept on my street. jef costello
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5:25pm Tue 16 Nov 10

EducateCommunities says...

Cllr Clyde Loakes is a JOKE

Nearly everything the council do is a STUNT they are out of touch and keep pretending they know what they are doing.

Of course they do get some things right but that is because a few council workers actually do go beyond the call of duty to get the job done.

Our main problem is the week cabinet and councilors who pay more interest to wallpapering over the cracks and towing the line instead of tackling the real issues.

Like the old boys network, tokenism, crime, housing, education, poverty, corruption

Ring any bells ?
Cllr Clyde Loakes is a JOKE Nearly everything the council do is a STUNT they are out of touch and keep pretending they know what they are doing. Of course they do get some things right but that is because a few council workers actually do go beyond the call of duty to get the job done. Our main problem is the week cabinet and councilors who pay more interest to wallpapering over the cracks and towing the line instead of tackling the real issues. Like the old boys network, tokenism, crime, housing, education, poverty, corruption [in no particular order] Ring any bells ? EducateCommunities
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7:15pm Tue 16 Nov 10

Techno2 says...

Anyone know how much this silliness cost us?
Anyone know how much this silliness cost us? Techno2
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9:27pm Tue 16 Nov 10

Sam Hain says...

To say nothing of the unneccesary carbon emissions, Techno2. Flytippers are beyond shame so this sort of PR exercise is pretty pointless. Getting responsible residents to report it is the answer and that requires support of neighbourhood watch schemes and prompt action when problems are reported. Also some feedback on the progress of prosecutions resulting from one's reports would be encouraging. Whatever happened to the Street Watchers scheme by the way? That seems to have been another nine-day wonder.
To say nothing of the unneccesary carbon emissions, Techno2. Flytippers are beyond shame so this sort of PR exercise is pretty pointless. Getting responsible residents to report it is the answer and that requires support of neighbourhood watch schemes and prompt action when problems are reported. Also some feedback on the progress of prosecutions resulting from one's reports would be encouraging. Whatever happened to the Street Watchers scheme by the way? That seems to have been another nine-day wonder. Sam Hain
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9:28pm Tue 16 Nov 10

Sam Hain says...

PS: Why don't rubbish trucks descend on High Street at 5.30pm as the market is packing up rather than leaving rubbish to blow about all over the place until 8pm or later?
PS: Why don't rubbish trucks descend on High Street at 5.30pm as the market is packing up rather than leaving rubbish to blow about all over the place until 8pm or later? Sam Hain
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10:56am Wed 17 Nov 10

daveWood says...

Yet another waste of money from the council, and they ask us how to save millions?
Yet another waste of money from the council, and they ask us how to save millions? daveWood
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12:19pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Heaven knows I am no fan of Clyde Loakes or of the council.

Nevertheless. I feel quite disheartened by the relentlessly negative comments above. Flytipping is a real blight on this borough and anything that will at least make onlookers stop and think - not only about what they do but about what they see others doing - is a plus.
Heaven knows I am no fan of Clyde Loakes or of the council. Nevertheless. I feel quite disheartened by the relentlessly negative comments above. Flytipping is a real blight on this borough and anything that will at least make onlookers stop and think - not only about what they do but about what they see others doing - is a plus. Helen, Walthamstow
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1:36pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Walthamstow noob says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Heaven knows I am no fan of Clyde Loakes or of the council. Nevertheless. I feel quite disheartened by the relentlessly negative comments above. Flytipping is a real blight on this borough and anything that will at least make onlookers stop and think - not only about what they do but about what they see others doing - is a plus.
I think as others have mentioned, people who fly-tip and/or drop litter are inherently thoughtless and selfish. The idea that this stunt is going to trigger some epiphany and get them to change their ways is absurd IMHO.

If anything you could even argue that this helps them to justify their actions as it shows that WF have quite a busy operation and shows that the stuff they dump is going to get moved regardless.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: Heaven knows I am no fan of Clyde Loakes or of the council. Nevertheless. I feel quite disheartened by the relentlessly negative comments above. Flytipping is a real blight on this borough and anything that will at least make onlookers stop and think - not only about what they do but about what they see others doing - is a plus.[/p][/quote]I think as others have mentioned, people who fly-tip and/or drop litter are inherently thoughtless and selfish. The idea that this stunt is going to trigger some epiphany and get them to change their ways is absurd IMHO. If anything you could even argue that this helps them to justify their actions as it shows that WF have quite a busy operation and shows that the stuff they dump is going to get moved regardless. Walthamstow noob
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1:50pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Dreadster says...

Most of this rubbish comes from the houses of multiple occupation which is nearly always packed full of eastern europeans who seem to have cottoned on to the fact that if you throw rubbish on the street then the council comes and picks it up.

It is also being dumped by property developers or cheapo builders working for developers who go in to turn empty family homes into HMO's as above. I even reported one who did it near me and instead of visiting the property to ascertain who dumped it the council just came and picked up the rubbish and took it away for him at taxpayer expense.

None of the people mentioned above would have seen Joker Loakes's stunt. A complete waste of money.
Most of this rubbish comes from the houses of multiple occupation which is nearly always packed full of eastern europeans who seem to have cottoned on to the fact that if you throw rubbish on the street then the council comes and picks it up. It is also being dumped by property developers or cheapo builders working for developers who go in to turn empty family homes into HMO's as above. I even reported one who did it near me and instead of visiting the property to ascertain who dumped it the council just came and picked up the rubbish and took it away for him at taxpayer expense. None of the people mentioned above would have seen Joker Loakes's stunt. A complete waste of money. Dreadster
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2:15pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Sam Hain says...

Sorry, Helen, I usually find myself in agreement with you but I think you've missed the point on this one. Most of the comments are not so much relentlessly negative as highly sceptical, as well they might be. Stunts like this make the politicians feel better but do they actually improve the situation on the ground? As many contributors have noted, proper enforcement is the key. It's very demoralising for residents who report these incidents, like Dreadster and myself, not to get proper back-up from the Council in response. We're constantly assured that things are improving but I've seen precious little evidence of it so far.
Sorry, Helen, I usually find myself in agreement with you but I think you've missed the point on this one. Most of the comments are not so much relentlessly negative as highly sceptical, as well they might be. Stunts like this make the politicians feel better but do they actually improve the situation on the ground? As many contributors have noted, proper enforcement is the key. It's very demoralising for residents who report these incidents, like Dreadster and myself, not to get proper back-up from the Council in response. We're constantly assured that things are improving but I've seen precious little evidence of it so far. Sam Hain
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3:50pm Wed 17 Nov 10

driftingcowboy says...

I find myself in agreement with most of the sentiment expressed above. However, if the stunt can be followed up with serious action, then it may have been worthwhile. If Clyde is reading these comments, he'll surely know the depth of feeling amongst us burghers about the state of the borough and the poor level of enforcement. I do believe, however, that a re-education programme is needed both for the natives and the non-natives. If we can save money by reducing the amount of litter to be collected, then we need to think about re-educating people but applying a carrot and stick approach thereafter. There must be full and proper enforcement of all the litter laws - a no tolerance approach that's sustainable.
I find myself in agreement with most of the sentiment expressed above. However, if the stunt can be followed up with serious action, then it may have been worthwhile. If Clyde is reading these comments, he'll surely know the depth of feeling amongst us burghers about the state of the borough and the poor level of enforcement. I do believe, however, that a re-education programme is needed both for the natives and the non-natives. If we can save money by reducing the amount of litter to be collected, then we need to think about re-educating people but applying a carrot and stick approach thereafter. There must be full and proper enforcement of all the litter laws - a no tolerance approach that's sustainable. driftingcowboy
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5:08pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Tom Thumb says...

Helen is right. I am sure flytippers are keen readers of this website and also of the council's fortnightly newspaper, so obviously as soon as they read about this stunt they will immediately stop flytipping and Clyde Loakes will once again have made the world a better place for all of us. God bless you Clyde.
I dread to think what might have resulted if one of these truck drivers had accidentally emptied his load of rubbish over everybody's favourite councillor. The thought of Cllr. Loakes entirely covered in a mountain of rubbish is just too horrible to contemplate.
Helen is right. I am sure flytippers are keen readers of this website and also of the council's fortnightly newspaper, so obviously as soon as they read about this stunt they will immediately stop flytipping and Clyde Loakes will once again have made the world a better place for all of us. God bless you Clyde. I dread to think what might have resulted if one of these truck drivers had accidentally emptied his load of rubbish over everybody's favourite councillor. The thought of Cllr. Loakes entirely covered in a mountain of rubbish is just too horrible to contemplate. Tom Thumb
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10:44pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Sam Hain says...

I think Cllr Loakes must be teflon-coated - despite NT's best efforts, nothing sticks to him.
I think Cllr Loakes must be teflon-coated - despite NT's best efforts, nothing sticks to him. Sam Hain
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9:20am Thu 18 Nov 10

myopinioncounts says...

You are 'spot on' Dreadster!
I phoned an estate agent (whose board was still on a nearby property after many weeks!) to complain about the rubbish filled front garden. The tenants ignored - or could not read english - my note telling them how to deal with it.
This property has been illegally split into 2 flats and is multi occupied by loud and troublesome tenants.
The estate agent actually asked ME if I knew the landlord's name & address!
I pointed out that as they had dealt with the letting they must know who the landlord is.
You are 'spot on' Dreadster! I phoned an estate agent (whose board was still on a nearby property after many weeks!) to complain about the rubbish filled front garden. The tenants ignored - or could not read english - my note telling them how to deal with it. This property has been illegally split into 2 flats and is multi occupied by loud and troublesome tenants. The estate agent actually asked ME if I knew the landlord's name & address! I pointed out that as they had dealt with the letting they must know who the landlord is. myopinioncounts
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3:58pm Thu 18 Nov 10

highstreetvoiceofreason says...

Loakes the Joke

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Loakes the Joke See more here - http://tinyurl.com/3 74vlrw highstreetvoiceofreason
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2:14am Tue 23 Nov 10

ftsefaller says...

Yet another stunt to make the intelligence-challen
ged Loakes look good. What a complete and utter waste of money just to get a simple message across.
The prat's pompousness knows no bounds...
Yet another stunt to make the intelligence-challen ged Loakes look good. What a complete and utter waste of money just to get a simple message across. The prat's pompousness knows no bounds... ftsefaller
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