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WALTHAMSTOW: 'Legal loan shark' teaches school pupils

Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy has accused The Money Shop of being a "legal loan shark". Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy has accused The Money Shop of being a "legal loan shark".

STAFF from a company described as a "legal loan shark" by Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy spent the day helping to teach school pupils about business and finance.

Six volunteers from The Money Shop visited Holy Family Technology College in Walthamstow last week as part of a scheme to teach youngsters about the world of work, personal budgets and the skills needed to get a job.

It came just days before Ms Creasy protested against The Money Shop outside one of its branches in Walthamstow High Street alongside London mayoral candidate Ken Livingstone.

The Labour MP is campaigning for a limit on the fees charged by payday loan firms, arguing they prey on the poor by providing quick cash but with extortionate charges and rates of interest.

Companies such as The Money Shop have always strongly denied her claims and say any cap will make people turn to unscrupulous illegal lenders instead.

The event was organised in partnership with the Young Enterprise charity. Its regional manager Helen Wedderburn said Money Shop staff had been very informative and were keen to work with other schools in the area.

She said: "They want to continue their work to help students with [education about] the world of work, the pitfalls of finance and getting into debt. They've been very supportive."

A member of Ms Creasy's staff said he was not aware of Holy Family's involvement with the Money Shop. The Guardian is awaiting a comment from the MP.

But following the picket on Friday (February 10) she said: "The proliferation of payday lenders, pawnbrokers and home credit providers without effective regulation is leading to thousands of Londoners getting into severe debt problems."

The day-long event on Monday (February 6) at the school, in Shernhall Street, involved 180 year 9 pupils aged 13 and 14, and including activities such as mock interviews.

Assistant head Adele Klitou said in a statement that the 'Learn to Earn' scheme closely supported the curriculum.

She added: “It was really rewarding to see The Money Shop staff interacting with the teenagers.

“Through demonstrating real-life business challenges they really brought to life the kind of skills pupils will need when they leave school.”

A spokeswoman for The Money Shop previously told the Guardian: "The Money Shop is a professional short-term lender fully regulated by the Office of Fair trading.

“It is a founder member of the Consumer Finance Association, abiding by its code of practice, and only offers its payday loan product to those with a bank account and with an income."

The school is currently on holiday for half term and the Guardian has been unable to reach any staff for a comment.

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Comments(18)

Credit Union Claire says...
2:30pm Mon 13 Feb 12

I was very surprised and concerned to hear that a local school is working with the Money Shop as these kinds of lenders are growing in the area and set a terrible example for anyone, let alone children. Their interest rates, while legal, are shockingly high and claims that they only lend to people who demonstrate affordability are simply not borne out by our experiences. There is an excellent Credit Union in Waltham Forest so the scaremongering claims that people would have to turn to illegal lenders if payday loans weren't available is self-serving nonsense. All the High St banks are happy to work with schools and there is a good project called MyBnk which teaches all the skills young people need in an innovative and non-profit way. I would urge all schools to avoid allowing such lenders to trade on your good name.

sahw says...
3:11pm Mon 13 Feb 12

"Companies such as The Money Shop have always strongly denied her claims and say any cap will make people turn to unscrupulous illegal lenders instead."

Quoted from above.

Could they explain how a cap on their charges would ".....make people turn to unscrupulous illegal lenders instead."?

I would have thought charging less would make them more popular!

tjw422 says...
4:49pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Who on earth within the Holy Family Technology College of Walthamstow decided it would be useful to expose 13 and 14 year-olds to payday lenders speel? Borrowing is not the way to any youngster when starting out on young adult life. It would have been far better to bring in potential future employers and explain what to do best to move towards getting jobs, and all helpful advice in that direction.

speaking sense says...
5:22pm Mon 13 Feb 12

It appears that a legal, fully regulated business is attempting to act responsibly and give something back. This is a vendetta for Stella Creasy who believes only her point of view is valid and like most politicians is unable to form a balanced opinion. She also conveniently forgets that the negligence of her colleagues in governenment in allowing the banking collapse is the reason the payday market has grown so quickly. Consumers have a choice, Stella Creasy clearly believes that should be removed as her constituents cannot be trusted to make their own decisions. Personally I can run my own life than you and feel insulted that mu MP thinks I can't. There are a thousand issues that need addressing in Walthamstow but our MP is too busy trying to make a name for herself on the big stage.

fabster says...
5:47pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Who on earth from the school invited & agreed that a payday lender & pawnbroker are best placed to offer school children financial advice? If my child went to that school I would actually demand some answers. Did money change hands between the school & The Money Shop for this day course to go ahead? I hope the 'lesson' covered how much is owed when you borrow £200 on 4000% APR?

It may be true that businesses like The Money Shop operate just within the law, but that does not make it morally right. Schools should be places where children learn wrong from right. This is an utter disgrace.

tjw422 says...
6:02pm Mon 13 Feb 12

TO SPEAKING SENSE.

Ref Stella Creasy's words and your own. I have no doubt that you can run your own life and make your own decisions, like most of us.
What you appear to have totally missed is that 13 and 14 year olds are not in the full position to manage their own lives yet. I have four adult children and ten grandchildren of my own, of which four are 13 and 14 year olds. We are a closely knit family, and I can assure you that these young teenagers do NOT need education in debt management and pawnbroking services. For the teenagers in less fortunate circumstances, this sort of schooling could seriously give out the wrong messages.

speaking sense says...
6:25pm Mon 13 Feb 12

tjw422 wrote:
TO SPEAKING SENSE. Ref Stella Creasy's words and your own. I have no doubt that you can run your own life and make your own decisions, like most of us. What you appear to have totally missed is that 13 and 14 year olds are not in the full position to manage their own lives yet. I have four adult children and ten grandchildren of my own, of which four are 13 and 14 year olds. We are a closely knit family, and I can assure you that these young teenagers do NOT need education in debt management and pawnbroking services. For the teenagers in less fortunate circumstances, this sort of schooling could seriously give out the wrong messages.
you need to read the article again.

where does it say anything about educating products.....it doesn't, in fact it states..............

The day-long event on Monday (February 6) at the school, in Shernhall Street, involved 180 year 9 pupils aged 13 and 14, and including activities such as mock interviews.

and

“Through demonstrating real-life business challenges they really brought to life the kind of skills pupils will need when they leave school.”

Stella of course would rather put her own spin on it rather than listening to the people who were actually there and benefited.

mdj says...
6:30pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Loan sharks teaching maths in schools, Macdonalds, Coca Cola and Dow sponsoring the Olympics, BMW providing 400 cars to ferry the bigwigs to the 'car-free games'; the recession has really hit the satirists the hardest, hasn't it? What could they possibly make up that would trump reality?
Next week, will KFC be going in to Holy Family to advise on diet?

tjw422 says...
6:41pm Mon 13 Feb 12

I prefer facts. So far 5 out of seven comments object. I have 13 and 14 year old grandchildren who neither need, or will need this sort of misleading/misguided education. There are many more subjects and life-experience learning lessons for all near- to-be-adult children. It doesn't include politics at this point in time. No further comment from me. Sorry.

Helen, Walthamstow says...
6:56pm Mon 13 Feb 12

I've no doubt that The Money Shop did not peddle its loans at the college, but that's not the point.

When an organisation goes into a school, the mere fact that it is allowed in gives it credibility.

The pay-off for the company comes later when the young person gets older, is a bit short of cash, sees The Money Shop sign and consciously, or subconsciously, thinks: "They must be all right. They came to our school."

tjw422 says...
7:37pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Helen, I fibbed, but it's your fault. I will duck out now.
After reading your comment,
you are so right.
The whole involvement using 'money shop' could be loosely termed as 'early brain washing'.

'Speaking sense' - please note; and maybe think about it where 13 and 14 year olds are concerned. They are vulnerable.

Walthamster says...
12:14pm Tue 14 Feb 12

"Speaking Sense"? No, you're spreading propaganda for an organisation that most of us don't want talking to our children.

Tjw422 was correct. The story states that Young Enterprise regional manager Helen Wedderburn said Money Shop staff "want to continue their work to help students with the world of work, the pitfalls of finance and getting into debt."

I doubt if they gave an honest description of themselves as one of the pitfalls of getting into debt!

mdj says...
8:40pm Tue 14 Feb 12

Perhaps satire isn't dead, but still ahead of the curve.
This story is from Newsthump:
'Pupils should study maths until they willingly avoid the sort of loan company I endorsed, says Carol Vorderman'

Walthamster says...
11:43am Wed 15 Feb 12

I've disliked Carol Vorderman since she started using her image as a maths genius to ensnare people for the 'legal loan sharks'.

Too bad newsthump.com is a spoof site. I'd hoped she might have repented. But I suppose she realised you can only sell your good name once, so you'd better get plenty of money for it!

EastEndLass says...
1:47pm Wed 15 Feb 12

why does everybody keep using this stupid, and misleading term 'legal loan sharks' - there is no such thing!!

Anybody who has encountered 'illegal loan sharks' (commonly known as...oh yes, 'loan sharks') will know that they are a completely different beast to these legitimate businesses.

A vendetta against these criminal activities that prey especially on the old and the desperate would be something I would be FAR happier to get behind than the constant whining and whingeing about these businesses that obviously have their use and place.

Walthamster says...
2:34pm Wed 15 Feb 12

Eastendlass, someone pointed out that a loan shark, the illegal sort, was recently convicted and fined -- after lending money at a lower rate of interest than some of these "legitimate businesses"!

That's why I continue to call them 'legal loan sharks'.

EastEndLass says...
2:45pm Wed 15 Feb 12

if you have any ontention of paying the loan off as you have taken it out, then it would never be an APR, but an MPR - if you don't have any intention of paying it off, then the problem isn't with the business, but with the person taking it out.

More should be done to stop people getting into that situation than concentrating on businesses that offer a service to people that can handle their finances responsibly.

i am all for debt-awareness, and have fallen very badly into the wayside myself to the point that I almost lost my home. The company that most 'helped' me into that situation was MBNA - an sbaolutely disgusting company who I advise everyone against, who has featured highly in the downward spiral of many people I know!

however, it wasn't their fault that *I* got there - it was my fault for taking on debt that I deep-down knew I couldn't handle! MY fault!

people need to take more responsibilty for their own actions, everyone seems to feel that their situations are down to somebody else these days!

mdj says...
12:08am Thu 16 Feb 12

All credit for your self-criticism, EastEndLass, but a lot of people WOULD be able to handle their debts if the loan terms were reasonable. There's a huge gap in the market, and when Bank Rate is so low there's no excuse for these exorbitant rates, and the death-spiral people get into. Oakam, for example, charges an arrangement fee which gets added to the loan, and so increases hugely over the duration of the term: is that made clear when they quote a repayment figure to a borrower? Some of these high-interest lenders are probably lending out money they borrowed at a much lower rate from banks that we currently own; how can that be right?

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