Walthamstow Stadium housing estate plans approved

CHINGFORD: Decision day for Walthamstow Stadium

Campaigners outside Walthamstow Assembly Hall prior to the start of tonight's meeting.

The crowd at Walthamstow Assembly Hall.

Celebrity racing personality John McCririck came to the meeting to speak against L&Q's plans for a housing estate at Walthamstow Stadium.

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CONTROVERSIAL plans to build a housing estate at Walthamstow Stadium have been approved.

11.55PM: This live blog is now going to close for the night. Thanks for reading and we'll have more reaction to tonight's verdict tomorrow.

In brief, L&Q's planning application for 294 homes at Walthamstow Stadium was narrowly approved tonight at a heated council meeting which lasted three and a half hours.

The evening was quite emotional at times, and councillors who voted for the plans were confronted at the end of the night by a minority of furious campaigners.

There was lots of heckling and at one point the council chair even threatened to eject all members of the public.

So, what next? Well, the application is to be referred to London mayor Boris Johnson and the Greater London Assembly. So potentially it could still be thrown out.

Mr Johnson has spoken publicly of his support for a return to greyhound racing at the site but he also has tough targets for building new housing in the capital, so it's unclear quite what he'll do.

What is clear, however, is that this is not the end of the Walthamstow Stadium saga. But this is undoubtedly a hugely significant chapter in both the history of the iconic site and the future of south Chingford as a whole.

11.40PM: To recap, the councillors who voted for the plans were Jenny Gray (Leytonstone ward, Labour), Asim Mahmood (Markhouse, Labour), Ebony Vincent (Markhouse, Labour) and committee chair Peter Barnett (Wood Street, Labour).

Those councillors who voted against were Ed Northover (Larkswood, Conservative), Alan Siggers (Valley, Conservative) and Liz Phillips (Cann Hall, Liberal Democrat).

The application was therefore passed by four votes to three.

It was alleged during the meeting that Labour councillors had been ordered by the party whip to vote in favour, although they all denied this.

More reaction from L&Q, MPs and campaigners is expected tomorrow morning. L&Q's people left the meeting pretty sharpish after the application was approved, so I didn't get a chance to speak to them.

I did however chat with campaigners and a few councillors but we'll have a summary of everyone's views from each side tomorrow. As you would expect, people who were against the plans are disappointed at the outcome and vice versa.

Overall the vast majority of those who attended were against the plans, and only one person (other than L&Q) spoke in favour.

11.35PM: The dust has now settled, everyone's been kicked out of Walthamstow Assembly Hall and this epic meeting is well and truly over.

Things got very heated there at the end, so I took a quick break from the blog to get up close to what was happening.

In short, a group of about a dozen campaigners ran up to the councillors who voted for the plans and shouted at them.

A few people had to step in to prevent things escalating, but there was no violence and the crowd eventually dispersed.

The councillors made a hasty exit via a side door.

I spoke to a few residents and campaigners afterwards and they were all predictably pretty upset (but not surprised) by the final result.

11.10PM: Members of the crowd have gone up to shout at the councillors who voted in favour of the plans.

11.06PM: Furious scenes here. All Labour councillors voted for, Lib Dem and two Conservatives voted against.

11.05PM: Application is approved.

11PM: Vote about to be held very soon. Cllrs Vincent and Mahmood ask some questions but don't indicate which way they will vote.

All committee members have now spoken, Cllr Siggers is raising a few objections again, but looks like a final decision due to be made any minute now.

10.56PM: It's mostly quiet again. Cllr Gray votes yes (although there is some booing). So that's three against, two for, and two yet to speak.

10.55PM: Loud heckling now and slow hand clapping.

Cllr Barnett threatens to eject all members of the public unless they stop heckling.

10.50PM: Cllr Barnett moves the officers' recommendation (i.e. he votes yes).

Cllr Jenny Gray is now speaking, seems like she will vote yes as well.

10.43PM: Chair and Labour Cllr Peter Barnett is speaking now. Seems like he will vote for the plans, prompting heckling from the crowd.

Despite it getting late most people are still here (although a dozen or so have left).

Regarding the amount of affordable housing, Cllr Barnett said: "We'd love 50 per cent affordable housing but we all know in this committee that we've moved away from that quite a few times before."

He said there was a desperate need for more affordable housing.

10.38PM: Cllr Phillips says she will vote against.

10.35PM: The third committee member, Liberal Democrat Cllr Liz Phillips, is now speaking. She is critical of L&Q and looks like she will also vote to reject the application. Cllr Siggers did not explicitly say he would vote against, but seems likely. So that's three out of seven so far.

Meanwhile looks like the meeting will go on probably until about 11pm.

10.30PM: This blog disappeared for a moment there, apologies. Technical problems but working to get it fixed.

The second member of the committee (out of seven) is now speaking. Chingford Tory councillor Alan Siggers is being very critical of the plans, looks like he will also vote to reject the application.

10.15PM: Another council officer says that while the amount of affordable housing in the plans is just 20 per cent (below council target of 50 per cent), officers factored in the viability of the site, so it was justifiable.

She added there was a severe shortage of three-bedroom affordable housing in the borough and L&Q's plans provided a good rate of these.

10.07PM: Council officer David Scourfield is responding to Cllr Northover. He denies his claims and says English Heritage has been properly consulted.

10PM: More from Cllr Northover. He said the plans were "effectively a ghetto" and were "not acceptable". He said the plans risked repeating the mistakes of high-rise housing estates of the 1950s and 1960s. He said: "we are walking like blind men into this complete mess once again. I despair when I see these things [applications]."

Cllr Northover has confirmed he will vote against to loud applause from the crowd.

9.53PM: Chingford Conservative councillor Cllr Ed Northover is first to speak. It's clear he has grave concerns and has strongly criticised the council officers who wrote the report recommending the plans be approved.

He said report appeared to have been written by people who "had come to a conclusion that this was the right decision and then worked backwards to justify why that was the case."

He said the report was "rushed" and that it was deeply worrying that the application was being heard before English Heritage was satisfied it had enough information on the plans to make its own judgement.

9.50PM: The panel of councillors that will decide the application have begun their public discussion of the plans and questioning of the various parties involved. There's seven councillors and the majority vote wins.

9.40PM: It's just been the turn of four local ward councillors to speak.

They have all attacked the plans. Cllr Nick Buckmaster got the loudest applause and another ovation. He said: "Let's push on and back the local community and accept Bob Morton's offer while it's still on the table."

There were also loud cheers for Cllr Jemma Hemsted, who said the amount of affordable housing was "disgraceful" and said residents had not been properly consulted on the final version of the plans.

Cllr Bernadette Mill also received applause when she pointed out that English Heritage did not back the proposals.

Cllr Paul Douglas said L&Q had done a poor job of looking after the stadium in the last few years. He said the application should be delayed because there were many outstanding issues.

We're now going to take a short break before the committee begins its discussion of the plans.

9.25PM: Gary Ince, chief executive of the North London Business board and the Waltham Forest Business Partnership, is the first person to speak in favour (other than L&Q).

He said the plans will create 200 short-term jobs in the construction industry and 300 long-term jobs.

Mr Ince said the plans "provide long-term sustainable employment to local people and gives hope to a part of London where so many people have little hope."

He was roundly booed by the crowd. He seemed a lot braver than L&Q's representatives and didn't falter during his speech.

9.15PM: A woman from Conrad and Partners, who is working with L&Q on the plans, is now speaking. I'm afraid I didn't catch her name as it's getting quite noisy here.

There was a brief moment of calm but it then kicked off again with more heckling. People are angry that she's been speaking for more than five minutes now.

Cllr Barnett has told them to be quiet and people are settling down again, but lots of people are muttering. She said the application would respect the heritage of the site and "enhance the character of the local area."

9.08PM: L&Q's Mike Johnson is being heckled by the crowd. There's lots of booing and shouting. He looks and sounds very uncomfortable.

Meeting chair Cllr Bartnett is appealing for calm, as is SOS's Ricky Holloway.

Mr Johnson said: "We are committed to improve the life chances of our residents and those of the wider community."

He added that it will be a "sustainable development of high quality homes which will enhance the community as a whole."

Many in the meeting are angry that L&Q is being given longer than three minutes to have its say, unlike residents.

Cllr Barnett said it was fair that L&Q had more time because its number of speakers was less (two).

9PM: The interested third parties have now finished speaking and they were all against L&Q's plans. Now it's L&Q's turn to have their say. After that we're going to have some speeches by councillors in Chingford.

8.55PM: Speeches by Ilford resident Howard Berlin and Gail Penfold of Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents' Association. Most people here greeted what they said with loud applause.

Seems to be getting more and more noisy here. No-one has spoken in favour of the application yet.

8.45PM: Racing personality John McCririck has just made his speech, which was also greeted with loud applause and another standing ovation.

He pointed at L&Q's representatives and said: "The hard-hearted people over there only want to make money.

[There's] no consideration for locals here."

He also pointed at council officer David Scourfield and accused him of bias, saying he had shook hands with L&Q's people like they were "bosom buddies".

Committee chair, Cllr Barnett, did not like that. He shouted back angrily: "Do not question the impartiality of our officers. Do not do that again."

Mr McCririck continued undaunted and said: "let's keep it [the stadium] and pass it on to future generations".

8.35PM: Ex-Liberal Democrat leader and former councillor John Macklin has just made a passionate speech, which was interrupted several times by loud applause. He also had a standing ovation from about a third of the crowd.

Mr Macklin said if the housing estate was approved then the community would lose its "unique selling point".

He said: "This [L&Q's plan] is not sustainable, it will not be prosperous and it will not create an integrated community. It will destroy these things."

8.26PM: Each speaker is only allowed three minutes, so I'm having to be brief with my descriptions of what was said.

David Cunningham and Linda Jones, both from SOS, have just spoken also attacking the plans. Ms Jones said the housing provision was inadequate for the community's needs. Haven't had anyone speaking in support yet.

8.25PM: Mr Holloway accused the council of plotting since 2007 on plans with L&Q for a housing estate at the arena.

He said: "This council is rotten to the core".

He accused Cllr Marie Pye and Cllr Terry Wheeler of being direct supporters of L&Q. He said Cllr Pye had passed confidential information to L&Q while Cllr Wheeler had "hatched" the plan with L&Q for the housing estate.

Mr Holloway added: "We want our stadium back, these local people want jobs and there is another application on the table [Bob Morton's]."

8.20PM: SOS campaigner Ricky Holloway has just given his speech, which ended with a standing ovation. Deafening roars of support. More on what he said in a minute.

8.10PM: Local residents Toni Phipps and Pamela Fleisch have both spoken attacking L&Q's plans. They are both members of Walthamstow Area Residents' Association.

They raised concerns over "unsuitable" housing and flooding. Their speeches were greatly with thunderous applause from the vast majority of those present in the hall. It's clear most people here are against L&Q's plans.

8PM: Another council officer, David Scourfield, has strongly defended the impartiality of council officers. He said: "The approach by the council...has been consistent on this application as with other applications."

7.53PM: Council officer has detailed the plans for 294 homes, etc, and recommended the application be approved.

He also verbally notified the committee of Greyhound Safe's petition of 1,248 names against a return of dog racing to the site.

7.45PM: A presentation is now underway detailing L&Q's plans.

7.35PM: The meeting has started. Committee chair Cllr Peter Barnett explains there will be two votes, one for the planning application and one for listed building consent.

7.25PM: Most people, include the planning committee panel of councillors who will make the decision on the application, have taken their seats. Everyone is chatting away as we wait for the meeting to start.

The seating in the hall is mostly taken up except for the upstairs gallery, so less of a turnout than the meeting for the former EMD cinema in Walthamstow last year. Back then not everyone could fit in the Assembly Hall, which is not the case this time.

Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy has just posted this message on Twitter: "In a packed jubilee room with lots of Walthamstow's finest older residents waiting for @lizkendall mp" - so looks like she won't be able to make it tonight.

7.23PM: There are a total of 23 people listed to speak at tonight's meeting - looks like it will be a long one.

They include six councillors, five SOS activists, John McCririck and residents. MPs Stella Creasy and Iain Duncan Smith are also listed but I can't see them here. Ms Creasy did say earlier both MPs may not be able to attend due to a commons vote tonight.

Apparently ex-football star Teddy Sheringham isn't coming to the meeting but made a brief appearance earlier to meet protesters outside the Assembly Hall.

7.20PM: I've just been chatting with racing pundit John McCririck, who is here with his trademark deerstalker hat and cigar.

He said: "I used to love coming to Walthamstow Stadium, after the closure of the White City track it was the première greyhound track in London.

"What's disgraceful is that there's no social housing in L&Q's plans, unlike those from Bob Morton who will have greyhound racing and housing.

"To lose Walthamstow Stadium would be absolutely appalling."

7.12PM: The public have started to take their seats at Walthamstow Assembly Hall. I estimate there's between 100 and 200 people here. The top gallery is empty but SOS say there are more residents coming soon.

6.45PM: This blog is taking a short break and will resume shortly after I've made the five minute walk to the town hall and spoken to some of the campaigners outside.

In the event of my computer dying/exploding, etc, and there's silence on this blog, check our Twitter feed instead (link below).

Less than 45 minutes to go until the meeting starts.

6.35PM: I asked L&Q earlier today if it had any further comment to make ahead of tonight's meeting, but it did not.

But here's a recent statement from the housing association about its proposals for the site: "We are confident that our plans will deliver a £50million iconic development which preserves the heritage of the site and provides around 300 new homes, a modern leisure centre run by the community for the community, a children’s nursery and allotments, as well as over 250 jobs to meet the needs of local people."

6.20PM: The 'Greyhound Safe' campaign group has submitted a last-minute petition calling on the council to disregard the return of dog racing to Walthamstow Stadium as an option for its future.

It contains singatures signed by 1,248 people from across the world.

While tonight's planning application contains no provision for dog racing, it will be very difficult for it to be held at the arena ever again if L&Q's plans are approved and housing is built at the site.

Like the local Green Party, Greyhound Safe believe dog racing is cruel. They say it results in unnecessary death and injury to many of the animals which take part.

6PM: The Waltham Forest and Redbridge Green Party have accused campaigners from SOS of "scaremongering" and misrepresenting L&Q's plans.

The party is strongly against any return of greyhound racing to the site. They say dog racing is cruel to animals, an accusation the industry denies.

Spokesman Mark Dawes says: "There are issues with the current L&Q scheme but these need to be addressed in a calm and rational way.

“Unfortunately SOS have made this very hard by their misrepresentation of the L&Q scheme and scaremongering”.

They say SOS posters depict a tower block which "looks nothing like" L&Q's plans.

Mr Dawes added: "They also refer to the L&Q scheme as a 'slum housing estate' which it certainly is not.

"These continual misrepresentations of the L&Q scheme to the local community have meant that some objections to the L&Q scheme are not based on fact but on SOS’s nightmare fictional vision."

5.45PM: Save Our Stow (SOS) have issued a statement urging members of the public to attend tonight's meeting.

SOS want L&Q to sell the arena to millionaire businessman Bob Morton. He has promised to reopen the stadium with dog racing and housing. L&Q say his plans are not viable.

They say: "SOS make a plea for all residents, supporters of historic buildings, supporters of fight the heights and supporters of the stadium to attend this evening.

"We urge you all to attend and show this council that it cannot be allowed to close another leisure facility and deny us much needed local jobs.

"This site is not needed for housing targets in the borough and with L&Q offering no social rented housing and only 24 affordable it does nothing for this borough's homeless.

"The council officers report recommends to accept L&Q plans even through the report was completed two days prior to receiving the environment agency flood plans.

It also states that the land registry does not state how much was paid for the track - [but] the land registry states £18.1million."

5.35PM: Click here to see the council papers for tonight's meeting. In short, L&Q's plans are for 294 homes in a mixture of houses and flats, along with a nursery, allotments, a cafe, creche and parking spaces.

5.23PM: Chingford Conservative MP Iain Duncan Smith and Walthamstow Labour MP Stella Creasy have been two of the most vocal critics of London and Quadrant's (L&Q) plans to build a housing estate at Walthamstow Stadium.

Ahead of the meeting they've issued a joint statement attacking the proposals, which they say will not do much to help the borough's housing crisis because there is no provision for social housing.

The statements says: "We agree with Waltham Forest Council's stated ambition to provide a mix of housing for our community so the news that L&Q will not be providing any social housing in this plan at all is proof they are not meeting the real needs of Waltham Forest's residents.

"Given that there are 21,000 people on our housing waiting list this omission is a critical flaw in L&Q's plans.

"Furthermore, not only are there no social rented properties in this proposal, it will also only deliver 24 flats at 'affordable rates' of rent which are higher and so meet a different need in our local housing market.

"This doesn't meet the council's ambitions which it set for itself that there should be at least 50 per cent affordable housing in any development.

"All this goes to show this proposal is simply not good enough and we urge the planning committee to demand a better deal for the residents of our borough."

4.30PM: In other news, campaigners from Save Our Stow (SOS), who are firmly against the planning application and want the stadium reopened with dog racing, have said that former football star Teddy Sheringham and racing pundit John McCririck will be among those at tonight's meeting protesting against the housing estate plans.

However it appears unlikely that borough MPs Stella Creasy and Iain Duncan Smith will attend.

Ms Creasy told me there is a parliamentary vote she has been asked to attend this evening by her party, and that Mr Duncan Smith will also probably have to go as well.

Despite being from opposing parties these two MPs have been remarkably united in their calls for the housing estate plans to be rejected. More on that later.

4.15PM: Welcome to the Waltham Forest Guardian's live blog coverage of today's crucial day for the future of the Walthamstow Stadium site.

The meeting doesn't start until 7.30pm but we're starting this blog early as there's been a number of developments already today.

First off, it's been announced that the meeting will be held at Walthamstow Assembly Hall - and not the town hall council chamber as previously advertised by the council.

This shouldn't affect things too much as the buildings are, of course, right next to each other in Forest Road, Walthamstow. But it will allow more people to attend.

The last time this happened was for the planning meeting over the former EMD cinema building in Walthamstow last year. That meeting was so packed not everyone could fit in. Wonder if the same will happen for tonight's meeting?

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2:28pm Tue 8 May 12

waltham says...

I urge every resident of this borough to attend and object to the labour council killing this borough off. High rise dense housing must be stopped . we have no leisure come and object against this council - please all attend 7pm town hall and watch history being made - come and unite against the council & L&Q
I urge every resident of this borough to attend and object to the labour council killing this borough off. High rise dense housing must be stopped . we have no leisure come and object against this council - please all attend 7pm town hall and watch history being made - come and unite against the council & L&Q waltham
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3:22pm Tue 8 May 12

ShinySue says...

Allotments? The mind boggles. There are several allotments very near this proposed development for why do we need more? How about a new school instead for all the extra kids that will need somewhere to get their education? Or shall we just set them to work on the allotments instead??? I hope to goodness Boris kicks this out if the council doesnt.
Allotments? The mind boggles. There are several allotments very near this proposed development for why do we need more? How about a new school instead for all the extra kids that will need somewhere to get their education? Or shall we just set them to work on the allotments instead??? I hope to goodness Boris kicks this out if the council doesnt. ShinySue
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4:18pm Tue 8 May 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

We hope residents will support those speaking on their behalf by attending this evening.

It will also give you an opportunity to see the plans that have been amended at the "last minute". These plans do not include deculverting of the river ching and are not the plans that local residents were consulted on by L&Q.

We have worked hard on our speeches to portray differing views and raise as many concerns as allowed within the 3 minute slots.

Unfortunately we are unable to update our website due to a BT fault however our speeches will be made available once the fault is rectified.
We hope residents will support those speaking on their behalf by attending this evening. It will also give you an opportunity to see the plans that have been amended at the "last minute". These plans do not include deculverting of the river ching and are not the plans that local residents were consulted on by L&Q. We have worked hard on our speeches to portray differing views and raise as many concerns as allowed within the 3 minute slots. Unfortunately we are unable to update our website due to a BT fault however our speeches will be made available once the fault is rectified. Stow Residents/Community Association
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5:24pm Tue 8 May 12

red37red says...

p.s it didn't close due to attendance figures as i know that 100% it was the owners putting the price up to high on entry fees nearing the months before it closed and not maintaining the grounds. and i believe they told staff and papers it won't close for 5yrs and few months later we found out it was all a big lie ...:-(
p.s it didn't close due to attendance figures as i know that 100% it was the owners putting the price up to high on entry fees nearing the months before it closed and not maintaining the grounds. and i believe they told staff and papers it won't close for 5yrs and few months later we found out it was all a big lie ...:-( red37red
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6:41pm Tue 8 May 12

Tom Thumb says...

Not so long ago the Ching rose so high the water was over the footbridge at the Cavendish Road end of the path by this proposed new development. It came very close to catastrophic flooding.

Putting new housing beside the Ching strikes me as unwise until the the potential for a major flood is addressed. The Ching looks harmless enough most of the time, a mere stream at the foot of a narrow steep-sided course. But this is a classic flash-flood condition of the sort which from time to time results in spectacular flooding. It's only a matter of time.
Not so long ago the Ching rose so high the water was over the footbridge at the Cavendish Road end of the path by this proposed new development. It came very close to catastrophic flooding. Putting new housing beside the Ching strikes me as unwise until the the potential for a major flood is addressed. The Ching looks harmless enough most of the time, a mere stream at the foot of a narrow steep-sided course. But this is a classic flash-flood condition of the sort which from time to time results in spectacular flooding. It's only a matter of time. Tom Thumb
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7:29pm Tue 8 May 12

Greytexploitations says...

Did the reporter speak to any Walthamstow residents? What did the residents have to say?
Did the reporter speak to any Walthamstow residents? What did the residents have to say? Greytexploitations
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7:36pm Tue 8 May 12

red37red says...

should be a cam link so people can see in real time?
should be a cam link so people can see in real time? red37red
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10:19pm Tue 8 May 12

iwantoneofthose says...

Why not destroy the area completely and put a Tesco and/or MacD there too!!
Why not destroy the area completely and put a Tesco and/or MacD there too!! iwantoneofthose
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11:02pm Tue 8 May 12

Toadlady says...

This Borough does not need more housing, it needs less people! Vastly overcrowded already. This council is hell bent on selling all available sites to developers no matter what the longterm residents who pay their wages want.
This Borough does not need more housing, it needs less people! Vastly overcrowded already. This council is hell bent on selling all available sites to developers no matter what the longterm residents who pay their wages want. Toadlady
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11:05pm Tue 8 May 12

Mr Omneo says...

If anyone thinks this isn't going to be a case of 4:3 in favour they've not been in Waltham Forest very long.

It always seems to be Labour stooges toeing the party line.
If anyone thinks this isn't going to be a case of 4:3 in favour they've not been in Waltham Forest very long. It always seems to be Labour stooges toeing the party line. Mr Omneo
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11:11pm Tue 8 May 12

Toadlady says...

Shame on you Councillors who voted this through. Complete disgrace.
Mr Omneo - you are spot-on. I've known most of those Labour stooges for years. Shame on the people who keep voting them back into power.
Shame on you Councillors who voted this through. Complete disgrace. Mr Omneo - you are spot-on. I've known most of those Labour stooges for years. Shame on the people who keep voting them back into power. Toadlady
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11:33pm Tue 8 May 12

charles123 says...

EXCELLENT NEWS.. GOOD ON YOU COUNCILORS THAT VOTED FOR MORE HOUSING, WE DONT NEED ANY MORE TRASHY GAMBLING ESTABLISHMENTS THAT EXPLOIT DOGS AND CAUSE GAMBLING ADDICTIONS..WELL DONE YOU HAVE DONE US PROUD, CALLS FOR A QUICK DRINK BEFOR BED!!!!!!!!
EXCELLENT NEWS.. GOOD ON YOU COUNCILORS THAT VOTED FOR MORE HOUSING, WE DONT NEED ANY MORE TRASHY GAMBLING ESTABLISHMENTS THAT EXPLOIT DOGS AND CAUSE GAMBLING ADDICTIONS..WELL DONE YOU HAVE DONE US PROUD, CALLS FOR A QUICK DRINK BEFOR BED!!!!!!!! charles123
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11:42pm Tue 8 May 12

Walthamstow Lad says...

Tonight, Labour granted consent for a scheme which will end Greyhound Racing in Walthamstow forever.

When it came to it, they all read out their scripted speeches, making the same points, just in a different order.

There were compelling, planning reasons to refuse this scheme. It is larger than both WF and London guidelines recommend by 28%, it's parking is inadequate and English Heritage have yet to comment on significant aspects of the scheme's impact on listed buildings.

Yet Labour cllrs ignored over 1,000 objections in writing and 100s of objectors in the room. Loads of people said afterwards that they were Labour voters - yet Labour just took them for granted last week and two years ago. Well now, those people know what you get from Labour.

It is to the credit of Liz Phillips, Alan Siggers and Ed Northover, Lib-Dem and Conservative members of the committee, that they refused to back these inadequate and damaging proposals. Let's hope Boris Johnson will do the same and send L&Q back to the drawing board - or better still, in to a meeting room with Bob Mortimer.

John Moss
Tonight, Labour granted consent for a scheme which will end Greyhound Racing in Walthamstow forever. When it came to it, they all read out their scripted speeches, making the same points, just in a different order. There were compelling, planning reasons to refuse this scheme. It is larger than both WF and London guidelines recommend by 28%, it's parking is inadequate and English Heritage have yet to comment on significant aspects of the scheme's impact on listed buildings. Yet Labour cllrs ignored over 1,000 objections in writing and 100s of objectors in the room. Loads of people said afterwards that they were Labour voters - yet Labour just took them for granted last week and two years ago. Well now, those people know what you get from Labour. It is to the credit of Liz Phillips, Alan Siggers and Ed Northover, Lib-Dem and Conservative members of the committee, that they refused to back these inadequate and damaging proposals. Let's hope Boris Johnson will do the same and send L&Q back to the drawing board - or better still, in to a meeting room with Bob Mortimer. John Moss Walthamstow Lad
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11:45pm Tue 8 May 12

Mandy B AR Believer says...

Absolutely thrilled! those that are calling for the dog track to be re-opened, I urge you please to do some research into how greyhounds are used and discarded in this country. many not living past 4-5 years old. 2 year olds being shot in the back of the head with bolt guns for having a broken toe, ears cut off alive or dead so that tattoo's can not be traced! pups that don't make the grade killed off. this is a BLOOD sport! Well done to Labour!!!!! thank you so much on behalf of me and the dogs!!! ignore the hecklers, they are not thinking of the poor dogs. END ALL BLOOD SPORTS!! inc dog/horse racing!
Absolutely thrilled! those that are calling for the dog track to be re-opened, I urge you please to do some research into how greyhounds are used and discarded in this country. many not living past 4-5 years old. 2 year olds being shot in the back of the head with bolt guns for having a broken toe, ears cut off alive or dead so that tattoo's can not be traced! pups that don't make the grade killed off. this is a BLOOD sport! Well done to Labour!!!!! thank you so much on behalf of me and the dogs!!! ignore the hecklers, they are not thinking of the poor dogs. END ALL BLOOD SPORTS!! inc dog/horse racing! Mandy B AR Believer
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11:50pm Tue 8 May 12

Sir Matt of Wood Street says...

I've been a Labour supporter all my life and now I find myself relying on Boris Johnson of all people to stand in the way of the greedy selfish developers and support the common man. How did this ever happen? Shame on you councillors Peter Barnett, Jenny Gray, Asim Mahmood and Ebony Vincent for being so spineless, so lacking in vision, so unresponsive to the wishes of the people of E17; and for making me have to find someone else to vote for in the next council elections. 
I've been a Labour supporter all my life and now I find myself relying on Boris Johnson of all people to stand in the way of the greedy selfish developers and support the common man. How did this ever happen? Shame on you councillors Peter Barnett, Jenny Gray, Asim Mahmood and Ebony Vincent for being so spineless, so lacking in vision, so unresponsive to the wishes of the people of E17; and for making me have to find someone else to vote for in the next council elections.  Sir Matt of Wood Street
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11:51pm Tue 8 May 12

bullyboy says...

Only boris johnson can stop this now hope he agrees with ian duncan smith stella creasy and x3 condems who voted against this its not over yet by a long way belive
Only boris johnson can stop this now hope he agrees with ian duncan smith stella creasy and x3 condems who voted against this its not over yet by a long way belive bullyboy
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11:56pm Tue 8 May 12

Mandy B AR Believer says...

name1 you are showing your lack of intelligence by not even being willing to consider what I've said or to look into it to see if my claims are substantiated....FOO
L! you are heartless and clearly don't give one iota about animals...
name1 you are showing your lack of intelligence by not even being willing to consider what I've said or to look into it to see if my claims are substantiated....FOO L! you are heartless and clearly don't give one iota about animals... Mandy B AR Believer
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11:57pm Tue 8 May 12

AC1975 says...

I'm very happy with the Committee's decision. These campaigners and residents don't speak for 99.5% of the Borough population. The stadium is unsightly and I'm very happy it will be going. This Borough is in urgent need of more housing. Must say from the live blog it seems like some of the supporters were acting like rabid dogs - very ironic. Anyway well done Committee - at least you finally showed some courage.
I'm very happy with the Committee's decision. These campaigners and residents don't speak for 99.5% of the Borough population. The stadium is unsightly and I'm very happy it will be going. This Borough is in urgent need of more housing. Must say from the live blog it seems like some of the supporters were acting like rabid dogs - very ironic. Anyway well done Committee - at least you finally showed some courage. AC1975
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12:01am Wed 9 May 12

sunn says...

Thanks to Labour for more cramped and badly built accommodation in the borough.

People deserve housing, but not this rubbish.
Thanks to Labour for more cramped and badly built accommodation in the borough. People deserve housing, but not this rubbish. sunn
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12:07am Wed 9 May 12

AC1975 says...

...people also deserve entertainment, but not the greyhound racing rubbish.
...people also deserve entertainment, but not the greyhound racing rubbish. AC1975
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12:09am Wed 9 May 12

Mr Omneo says...

Charles123, woopee! they stopped a dog racing venue but what about the tens of betting shops that are opening up in every bankrupt business? Betting shops that support not only dog racing but horse racing, why aren't you busy collecting signatures to force the council to do something about them??

LBWF proudly trumpeted banning a domino's takeaway as it posed a risk, supposedly luring 'undesirables' but when I go past Baker's Arms or the Town Centre all I see are groups of guys smoking cannabis and drinking extra strong beer outside the late night opening betting shops. Funnily enough I don't see anyone outside the Domino's at Baker's Arms
Charles123, woopee! they stopped a dog racing venue but what about the tens of betting shops that are opening up in every bankrupt business? Betting shops that support not only dog racing but horse racing, why aren't you busy collecting signatures to force the council to do something about them?? LBWF proudly trumpeted banning a domino's takeaway as it posed a risk, supposedly luring 'undesirables' but when I go past Baker's Arms or the Town Centre all I see are groups of guys smoking cannabis and drinking extra strong beer outside the late night opening betting shops. Funnily enough I don't see anyone outside the Domino's at Baker's Arms Mr Omneo
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12:15am Wed 9 May 12

Sir Matt of Wood Street says...

Looking back on it, does anybody else think  Ebony Vincent didn't have a clue what was going on? What was that nonsense about the council could see lots of other applications for the site from other people? Democracy doesn't work if elected councillors don't know how the system works.  

Mahmood seemed to be towing the party line, Jenny Gray named one person who said he had travelled in from outside the borough as a reason to vote for instead of listening to hundreds of actual residents and Peter Barnett's ego only cares about Peter Barnett's ego. 
Looking back on it, does anybody else think  Ebony Vincent didn't have a clue what was going on? What was that nonsense about the council could see lots of other applications for the site from other people? Democracy doesn't work if elected councillors don't know how the system works.   Mahmood seemed to be towing the party line, Jenny Gray named one person who said he had travelled in from outside the borough as a reason to vote for instead of listening to hundreds of actual residents and Peter Barnett's ego only cares about Peter Barnett's ego.  Sir Matt of Wood Street
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12:15am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

i see the thread has been hijacked by some of the blind fools supporting a racing ban,mandy the group you support don't like it when you question their bull so before you state "facts" find out the truth
i see the thread has been hijacked by some of the blind fools supporting a racing ban,mandy the group you support don't like it when you question their bull so before you state "facts" find out the truth vince earnshaw
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12:15am Wed 9 May 12

Midnight1574 says...

Homes NOT cruelty; THIS IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS! Well done :-)
Greyhound racing is an abomination!
Homes NOT cruelty; THIS IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS! Well done :-) Greyhound racing is an abomination! Midnight1574
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12:19am Wed 9 May 12

pammybear101 says...

Could this finally be what we have been waiting for - an end to the terrible suffering endured by innocent greyhounds?
Could this finally be what we have been waiting for - an end to the terrible suffering endured by innocent greyhounds? pammybear101
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12:24am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

here they come lol like lost sheep,ignorant uneducated fools that accept the figures spewed at them by animal liberation front supporters,i wonder if they told you to jump off a bridge would you?yet you seem happy to condemn a sport you have not one clue about! research the facts don't blindly follow
here they come lol like lost sheep,ignorant uneducated fools that accept the figures spewed at them by animal liberation front supporters,i wonder if they told you to jump off a bridge would you?yet you seem happy to condemn a sport you have not one clue about! research the facts don't blindly follow vince earnshaw
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12:30am Wed 9 May 12

KimlRichard says...

I think this is awesome now you can have a say in what the housing can be how they will look and what you want, How can you defend exploiting poor animals, if a dog does not win or gets hurt they are killed and shot and discarded as if they are nothing how can you be so cruel and heartless and greedy. I thought Britannia was compassion and loving of all creature . But what I am seeing now is all you care about is Dog racing and not even trying to better you wonderful city. promoting life and housing is better then promoting greed, death, and non feelings . I may be from the US but I have always love the history of there and greyhound racing was brought to England from the US who has now banned it in all of the states but 7 and even now it is on the way out.
I think this is awesome now you can have a say in what the housing can be how they will look and what you want, How can you defend exploiting poor animals, if a dog does not win or gets hurt they are killed and shot and discarded as if they are nothing how can you be so cruel and heartless and greedy. I thought Britannia was compassion and loving of all creature . But what I am seeing now is all you care about is Dog racing and not even trying to better you wonderful city. promoting life and housing is better then promoting greed, death, and non feelings . I may be from the US but I have always love the history of there and greyhound racing was brought to England from the US who has now banned it in all of the states but 7 and even now it is on the way out. KimlRichard
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12:33am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

kimirichard you have no idea what goes on in this country you listen to animal liberation front members filling you with rubbish!! i am not pro racing but i think people deserve to make up their own minds with fact not fiction!!
kimirichard you have no idea what goes on in this country you listen to animal liberation front members filling you with rubbish!! i am not pro racing but i think people deserve to make up their own minds with fact not fiction!! vince earnshaw
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12:37am Wed 9 May 12

AC1975 says...

To be honest I'm not too familiar with greyhound cruelty side of things but if it means animals suffer less as a result of the demolition of this stadium then all the better. Anyway another gambling place and eyesore gone. I have to laugh at you lot though - out of sheer desperation you even shipped in that old greyhound, McCririck. LMFAO!!
To be honest I'm not too familiar with greyhound cruelty side of things but if it means animals suffer less as a result of the demolition of this stadium then all the better. Anyway another gambling place and eyesore gone. I have to laugh at you lot though - out of sheer desperation you even shipped in that old greyhound, McCririck. LMFAO!! AC1975
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12:39am Wed 9 May 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

A big thank you to the many local residents who attended this lengthy meeting and showed support for those who spoke on their behalf.

We would also like to thank Councillor Douglas who came to our rescue having been told that we could not have 3 minutes speaking time for each application.

Councillor Douglas kindly read out our concerns on the listed buildings issues.

Part of our speeches listed items to be included should the application be recommended for approval.

We are disappointed at the outcome.

L&Q had the opportunity to build an iconic village in London but instead we have a modern day version of Broadwater Farm
A big thank you to the many local residents who attended this lengthy meeting and showed support for those who spoke on their behalf. We would also like to thank Councillor Douglas who came to our rescue having been told that we could not have 3 minutes speaking time for each application. Councillor Douglas kindly read out our concerns on the listed buildings issues. Part of our speeches listed items to be included should the application be recommended for approval. We are disappointed at the outcome. L&Q had the opportunity to build an iconic village in London but instead we have a modern day version of Broadwater Farm Stow Residents/Community Association
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12:40am Wed 9 May 12

charles123 says...

CELEBRATIONS HERE!!!! WHAT WONDERFUL COUNCILLORS THAT VOTED AGAINST THE STADIUM, THEY PUT THEIR RESIDENTS FIRST. HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN WOULD BE DRAGGED INTO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, CHILD WELFARE SERVICES SHOULD BE MAKING A STANCE AGAINST INTRODUCING CHILDREN TO DRINKING AND GAMBLING....ITS NOT HEALTHY AND SHOWS BAD PARENTING! DRUNKEN STAG NIGHTS AND HEN DO'S RUBBER DOLLS AND PEOPLE URINATING OUTSIDE THESE PLACES IS NOT A PLACE FOR CHILDREN.
CELEBRATIONS HERE!!!! WHAT WONDERFUL COUNCILLORS THAT VOTED AGAINST THE STADIUM, THEY PUT THEIR RESIDENTS FIRST. HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN WOULD BE DRAGGED INTO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, CHILD WELFARE SERVICES SHOULD BE MAKING A STANCE AGAINST INTRODUCING CHILDREN TO DRINKING AND GAMBLING....ITS NOT HEALTHY AND SHOWS BAD PARENTING! DRUNKEN STAG NIGHTS AND HEN DO'S RUBBER DOLLS AND PEOPLE URINATING OUTSIDE THESE PLACES IS NOT A PLACE FOR CHILDREN. charles123
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12:42am Wed 9 May 12

Sir Matt of Wood Street says...

Pammybear 101, kimlrichard, midnight 1574 and Mandy B AR Believer don't seem to have contributed to our local newspaper forum before, I wonder why??? AC1975 has done of course, and is either a terrific wind up merchant or Councillor Pye. I love that 99.5% thing, very official. Which bit of the stadium do you find unsightly? Honestly?
Pammybear 101, kimlrichard, midnight 1574 and Mandy B AR Believer don't seem to have contributed to our local newspaper forum before, I wonder why??? AC1975 has done of course, and is either a terrific wind up merchant or Councillor Pye. I love that 99.5% thing, very official. Which bit of the stadium do you find unsightly? Honestly? Sir Matt of Wood Street
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12:52am Wed 9 May 12

Mr Omneo says...

Charles123, will you be ensuring there are no children left outside the betting shops in Waltham Forest while their parents gamble away their Income Support payments? No, I didn't think so.

294 homes does not a better borough make, 294 families fighting for already scarce public services because the council have cut back on most things leaving them nothing better to do than get drunk, get high and listen to people talk about how good life is now that there's less chance of a greyhound being killed by it's owner.

Meanwhile their 'pet' fighting dog is killed for mauling a human.

Yes, homes over a dog track but humans over animals. Get your priorities right people.
Charles123, will you be ensuring there are no children left outside the betting shops in Waltham Forest while their parents gamble away their Income Support payments? No, I didn't think so. 294 homes does not a better borough make, 294 families fighting for already scarce public services because the council have cut back on most things leaving them nothing better to do than get drunk, get high and listen to people talk about how good life is now that there's less chance of a greyhound being killed by it's owner. Meanwhile their 'pet' fighting dog is killed for mauling a human. Yes, homes over a dog track but humans over animals. Get your priorities right people. Mr Omneo
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12:53am Wed 9 May 12

sybilbet48 says...

Greyhound racing is not entertainment. It is exploitation, plain and simple. Do your research and learn what kind of lives these gentle animals have when they are racers, and learn what happens to them when they can no longer RUN FOR THEIR LIFE. Have some compassion folks. Money isn't everything!!!
Greyhound racing is not entertainment. It is exploitation, plain and simple. Do your research and learn what kind of lives these gentle animals have when they are racers, and learn what happens to them when they can no longer RUN FOR THEIR LIFE. Have some compassion folks. Money isn't everything!!! sybilbet48
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12:56am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

they won't either sir matt,a certain animal rights extremist group is sending its supporters to comment on this blog,it sounds like its YOUR area and YOU should give your opinion,opinions from extremists from all over the world aren't welcome,if the discussion was over what to do with the remains of the world trade centre al-qaeda should not be commenting and neither should these sheep on your area :)
they won't either sir matt,a certain animal rights extremist group is sending its supporters to comment on this blog,it sounds like its YOUR area and YOU should give your opinion,opinions from extremists from all over the world aren't welcome,if the discussion was over what to do with the remains of the world trade centre al-qaeda should not be commenting and neither should these sheep on your area :) vince earnshaw
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1:06am Wed 9 May 12

Mandy B AR Believer says...

I'm not interested in debating with ppl who think that because they're right it makes it so and that real facts are figures are therefore nonsense...
I know what I said to be true as I once worked in the industry!! in the kennels, I saw it first hand.
The RSPCA has no say over the greyhounds as it is regulated by the Greyhound Board of Great Britain (GBGB) and the GRA! in other words, it is self regulating!
They cut the ears off the dogs so that they can not trace the owner! check the press and internet for evidence and ppl who have been caught and served time, try Rusty (last hope) killed by Andrew Gough for £10.
I won't go on as I'll get accused of quoting AR tripe so instead I'll ask those with brains and the capacity to think for themselves to check things out for themselves...but then of course I love and care for animals so I must be a nut. And to the brainless, it's because of ppl like you I much prefer animals! you have the capacity to know and behave better but you choose not too! thank you and goodnight
I'm not interested in debating with ppl who think that because they're right it makes it so and that real facts are figures are therefore nonsense... I know what I said to be true as I once worked in the industry!! in the kennels, I saw it first hand. The RSPCA has no say over the greyhounds as it is regulated by the Greyhound Board of Great Britain (GBGB) and the GRA! in other words, it is self regulating! They cut the ears off the dogs so that they can not trace the owner! check the press and internet for evidence and ppl who have been caught and served time, try Rusty (last hope) killed by Andrew Gough for £10. I won't go on as I'll get accused of quoting AR tripe so instead I'll ask those with brains and the capacity to think for themselves to check things out for themselves...but then of course I love and care for animals so I must be a nut. And to the brainless, it's because of ppl like you I much prefer animals! you have the capacity to know and behave better but you choose not too! thank you and goodnight Mandy B AR Believer
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1:11am Wed 9 May 12

RegisteringSucks says...

This fantastic news for greyhounds. Lets get rid of this awful industrialised cruelty to greyhounds FOR GOOD.
This fantastic news for greyhounds. Lets get rid of this awful industrialised cruelty to greyhounds FOR GOOD. RegisteringSucks
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1:15am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

ok mandy back up your figures on my page "greyhound racing the truth" stop hiding behind a false id i ALWAYS comment in my own name as i'm not ashamed of my views.how many of your ALF supporters can say the same?? i bet you don't appear and will pat your vegan animal rights extremist idiot friends on the back!!! they had to ban me as i took the p:ss out of their numbers and if you feel you can back up your crap please feel free to do it somewhere suitable ;)
ok mandy back up your figures on my page "greyhound racing the truth" stop hiding behind a false id i ALWAYS comment in my own name as i'm not ashamed of my views.how many of your ALF supporters can say the same?? i bet you don't appear and will pat your vegan animal rights extremist idiot friends on the back!!! they had to ban me as i took the p:ss out of their numbers and if you feel you can back up your crap please feel free to do it somewhere suitable ;) vince earnshaw
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1:37am Wed 9 May 12

JadeJones says...

I really don't know where to start. I'm NOT a local resident but I do not need to be, to be able to feel great about this decision (hopefully it will be a finalised decision)
I have not been brainwashed by "animal rights members" i have my own mind and speak my own words, and MY OPINION and views are that if this race track closes down then its a great start to (fingers crossed) other councils across the country doing the same.
I do not need to listen to the opinions of others to make up my mind about facts that are proven around dog racing! So before the people on here that are accusing the people FOR this decision of being "followers" and "ignorant uneducated fools" which by the way, i am educated to a high level thanks! I suggest you yourselves quit being ignorant and maybe do your research into the history of greyhound racing and what happens behind the scenes of the race tracks themselves.

Thousands are shot in the head. Thousands have their ears hacked to prevent the owners being tracked. Thousands are hung and then dumped in bins and pits. Thousands of the ones that are actually registered go 'missing' each year and well, if you ignorant lot actually did the research you would see why.

The Greyhound Board of Great Britain rules the industry, the RSPCA have no control over what goes on.

I support anything that happens in support of helping this industry die. I am not in support of anything that encourages greyhounds to die.
I really don't know where to start. I'm NOT a local resident but I do not need to be, to be able to feel great about this decision (hopefully it will be a finalised decision) I have not been brainwashed by "animal rights members" i have my own mind and speak my own words, and MY OPINION and views are that if this race track closes down then its a great start to (fingers crossed) other councils across the country doing the same. I do not need to listen to the opinions of others to make up my mind about facts that are proven around dog racing! So before the people on here that are accusing the people FOR this decision of being "followers" and "ignorant uneducated fools" which by the way, i am educated to a high level thanks! I suggest you yourselves quit being ignorant and maybe do your research into the history of greyhound racing and what happens behind the scenes of the race tracks themselves. Thousands are shot in the head. Thousands have their ears hacked to prevent the owners being tracked. Thousands are hung and then dumped in bins and pits. Thousands of the ones that are actually registered go 'missing' each year and well, if you ignorant lot actually did the research you would see why. The Greyhound Board of Great Britain rules the industry, the RSPCA have no control over what goes on. I support anything that happens in support of helping this industry die. I am not in support of anything that encourages greyhounds to die. JadeJones
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1:48am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

jadejones educated idiot do me a favour name a hundred from all time out of the thousands having their ears hacked off on my page!! sheep baa baa
jadejones educated idiot do me a favour name a hundred from all time out of the thousands having their ears hacked off on my page!! sheep baa baa vince earnshaw
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1:59am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

i can only apologise to all the people who have a genuine reason to comment and i have no desire to hijack your thread,but also i have no desire to let ignorant fools spew wild numbers either! the people that live in this area are the one's affected most by this decision and i hope your judgement isn't clouded by some of the comments above,i don't race/bet i just give a home to ex racers and i feel these people cause major damage to greyhound welfare!!! my apologies to all the residents
i can only apologise to all the people who have a genuine reason to comment and i have no desire to hijack your thread,but also i have no desire to let ignorant fools spew wild numbers either! the people that live in this area are the one's affected most by this decision and i hope your judgement isn't clouded by some of the comments above,i don't race/bet i just give a home to ex racers and i feel these people cause major damage to greyhound welfare!!! my apologies to all the residents vince earnshaw
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2:15am Wed 9 May 12

becks73 says...

I am writing this from New Zealand and would like to say that this is fantastic news! Hopefully in time (hopefully soon) see the end of this horrid cruel so called sport and it's loser participants!
I am writing this from New Zealand and would like to say that this is fantastic news! Hopefully in time (hopefully soon) see the end of this horrid cruel so called sport and it's loser participants! becks73
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7:46am Wed 9 May 12

LauraAnn says...

red37red wrote:
hang on 4 labour against 3 other members of course labour would win??
So, so, so happy with the decision! Not sure housing is needed either but at least it saves more dogs from exploitation! Lets end this horrid bloodsport!
[quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: hang on 4 labour against 3 other members of course labour would win??[/p][/quote]So, so, so happy with the decision! Not sure housing is needed either but at least it saves more dogs from exploitation! Lets end this horrid bloodsport! LauraAnn
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7:47am Wed 9 May 12

LauraAnn says...

I don't know why red37red's quote is there? ^
I don't know why red37red's quote is there? ^ LauraAnn
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8:03am Wed 9 May 12

red37red says...

LauraAnn wrote:
I don't know why red37red's quote is there? ^
do you live in a l&q building?
did you work at the dogs?
do you own a greyhound?
[quote][p][bold]LauraAnn[/bold] wrote: I don't know why red37red's quote is there? ^[/p][/quote]do you live in a l&q building? did you work at the dogs? do you own a greyhound? red37red
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8:21am Wed 9 May 12

Sue Hunt says...

Fantastic news!!! One less track for greyhounds to break their legs or necks and lose their lives for not winning. Vile so called sport.
Fantastic news!!! One less track for greyhounds to break their legs or necks and lose their lives for not winning. Vile so called sport. Sue Hunt
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8:23am Wed 9 May 12

LauraAnn says...

I meant that I never meant to put your quote on my comment. Not sure what happened.
I meant that I never meant to put your quote on my comment. Not sure what happened. LauraAnn
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8:27am Wed 9 May 12

LauraAnn says...

Everyone who is for the track, Are you happy with animals dying for your entertainment? Are you happy with them ending up dead or homeless when their careers are over? There's enough dogs in shelter, being pts because of lack of space without this adding to the problem.
Everyone who is for the track, Are you happy with animals dying for your entertainment? Are you happy with them ending up dead or homeless when their careers are over? There's enough dogs in shelter, being pts because of lack of space without this adding to the problem. LauraAnn
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8:39am Wed 9 May 12

red37red says...

will l&q now donate money towards the greyhound rescues centre as goodwill????
will l&q now donate money towards the greyhound rescues centre as goodwill???? red37red
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9:24am Wed 9 May 12

lurchermad says...

So pleased at this decision and hopefully commonsense will prevail and it will be upheld on appeal. Greyhound racing is nothing more than exploitation. Huge numbers of these dogs are bred to supply this evil industry. The issue is not just what happens when they get to the track, what about the sheer number of pups that are culled when they are deemed not suitable to race! From every litter of pups approximately two thirds are culled. Have a look on Greyhound Data and see for your self how many pups are actually registered to race from a litter, what do you think happens to the remaining!! Some of the cruelty is highlighted in the press, there is much more that is not seen/discovered. Even the RSPCA state that every year many thounds of greyhounds that are registered to race simply disappear.
The greyhound racing industry is left to regulate itself, it is clearly failing, the Government turn a blind eye, why, because it brings in millions for them!
The tide is now turning, many people are now learning the truth about greyhound racing and hopefully in time as in many states of the USA it will be consigned to the history books.
So pleased at this decision and hopefully commonsense will prevail and it will be upheld on appeal. Greyhound racing is nothing more than exploitation. Huge numbers of these dogs are bred to supply this evil industry. The issue is not just what happens when they get to the track, what about the sheer number of pups that are culled when they are deemed not suitable to race! From every litter of pups approximately two thirds are culled. Have a look on Greyhound Data and see for your self how many pups are actually registered to race from a litter, what do you think happens to the remaining!! Some of the cruelty is highlighted in the press, there is much more that is not seen/discovered. Even the RSPCA state that every year many thounds of greyhounds that are registered to race simply disappear. The greyhound racing industry is left to regulate itself, it is clearly failing, the Government turn a blind eye, why, because it brings in millions for them! The tide is now turning, many people are now learning the truth about greyhound racing and hopefully in time as in many states of the USA it will be consigned to the history books. lurchermad
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9:28am Wed 9 May 12

salukilover says...

As a sighthound owner I commend the responsible on this decision, knowing how loving and devoted creatures they are and how much they enjoy a comfortable bed, loving company, attention and care. I find it utterly heartbreaking and appalling to see the horrendous suffering and neglect that the racing industry causes these gentle dogs! Well done to say NO!!
As a sighthound owner I commend the responsible on this decision, knowing how loving and devoted creatures they are and how much they enjoy a comfortable bed, loving company, attention and care. I find it utterly heartbreaking and appalling to see the horrendous suffering and neglect that the racing industry causes these gentle dogs! Well done to say NO!! salukilover
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9:39am Wed 9 May 12

Don't Give Up says...

With the greatest of respect to all those who have commented who are either for or against greyhound racing, it was made very clear at the meeting last night the decision on the application had nothing to do with greyhounds or Mr Morton's possible involvement but purely and simply about the proposed housing development.
Having listened to the whole debate, I am appalled the 4 Labour councillors voted in favour of it and totally ignored valid planning reasons it should be rejected. Although they denied being subjected to following the party whip, I do not know how they can sleep with a clear conscience.
How sad that such a decision will affect the family lives of so many local residents who now face the real possibility of living adjacent to a potential ghetto unless the Mayor does the right thing and reverses the decision.
With the greatest of respect to all those who have commented who are either for or against greyhound racing, it was made very clear at the meeting last night the decision on the application had nothing to do with greyhounds or Mr Morton's possible involvement but purely and simply about the proposed housing development. Having listened to the whole debate, I am appalled the 4 Labour councillors voted in favour of it and totally ignored valid planning reasons it should be rejected. Although they denied being subjected to following the party whip, I do not know how they can sleep with a clear conscience. How sad that such a decision will affect the family lives of so many local residents who now face the real possibility of living adjacent to a potential ghetto unless the Mayor does the right thing and reverses the decision. Don't Give Up
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9:51am Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

As much as i understand residents wanting 'entertainment' rather than housing. I cannot understand how anyone can view greyhound racing as entertainment. The dogs are overbred and tossed aside like pieces of meat. Some make it to re-homing centres and have a good life. Many are beaten, attacked (ears cut off) and left to die, others are killed outright and stuffed in bins.

Unless someone puts forward a genuine entertainment use for the site, not ritualised animal cruelty -

If you have even an ounce of compassion, this decision can only be seen as a good one.
As much as i understand residents wanting 'entertainment' rather than housing. I cannot understand how anyone can view greyhound racing as entertainment. The dogs are overbred and tossed aside like pieces of meat. Some make it to re-homing centres and have a good life. Many are beaten, attacked (ears cut off) and left to die, others are killed outright and stuffed in bins. Unless someone puts forward a genuine entertainment use for the site, not ritualised animal cruelty - If you have even an ounce of compassion, this decision can only be seen as a good one. MayaGold
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9:56am Wed 9 May 12

KKaur4 says...

I do not condone greyhound racing or the treatment the animals receive but it really surprises me how people value dogs more than human beings! The impact on the community is going to be so detrimental.
As stated previously, the decision to let this go ahead has nothing to do with racing.
For a many number of months, I have followed articles and the regulars across the paper and this is the one thing that has made me want to speak up.
Like I said, the treatment of the animals is not something that I support but unless people live in the area and will feel the impact (as I do), how can they think this is a good decision??
This is just my lowly opinion...
I do not condone greyhound racing or the treatment the animals receive but it really surprises me how people value dogs more than human beings! The impact on the community is going to be so detrimental. As stated previously, the decision to let this go ahead has nothing to do with racing. For a many number of months, I have followed articles and the regulars across the paper and this is the one thing that has made me want to speak up. Like I said, the treatment of the animals is not something that I support but unless people live in the area and will feel the impact (as I do), how can they think this is a good decision?? This is just my lowly opinion... KKaur4
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10:07am Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

On a side note, i also cannot understand why having an anti-cruelty point of view must make you brainwashed? Figures and reports are readily available online for anyone who wishes to see them, along with droves of photographs of discarded dogs, dead and alive.

For the record, I have never spoken to an ALF member or viewed an ALF site - i actually had to think about wtf you were talking about.

OH MY GOD. I MUST HAVE COME TO MY OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS NOT CRUEL!

THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!
On a side note, i also cannot understand why having an anti-cruelty point of view must make you brainwashed? Figures and reports are readily available online for anyone who wishes to see them, along with droves of photographs of discarded dogs, dead and alive. For the record, I have never spoken to an ALF member or viewed an ALF site - i actually had to think about wtf you were talking about. OH MY GOD. I MUST HAVE COME TO MY OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS NOT CRUEL! THE WORLD IS GOING TO END! MayaGold
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10:19am Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Whatever happens to Greyhound racing is now irrelevant,i personally dont want a hellhole on my doorstep thanks so thankyou Labour,i also notice that councillor Vincent used to hang around Beaumont estate???What a surprise
Whatever happens to Greyhound racing is now irrelevant,i personally dont want a hellhole on my doorstep thanks so thankyou Labour,i also notice that councillor Vincent used to hang around Beaumont estate???What a surprise E4LGOD
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10:22am Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

sadly this thread will have misinformed people sent by ALF members and supporters mayagold take a look at the people you have listened to,thousands of dogs with their ears hacked off!! dumped in bins,half of all litters killed?? where have you got your numbers?? sdbv ALF MEMBERS YOU IDIOT! the same mentality people releasing mink a few years ago to wreak havok forever more
sadly this thread will have misinformed people sent by ALF members and supporters mayagold take a look at the people you have listened to,thousands of dogs with their ears hacked off!! dumped in bins,half of all litters killed?? where have you got your numbers?? sdbv ALF MEMBERS YOU IDIOT! the same mentality people releasing mink a few years ago to wreak havok forever more vince earnshaw
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10:33am Wed 9 May 12

drysuitdiver says...

ShinySue wrote:
Allotments? The mind boggles. There are several allotments very near this proposed development for why do we need more? How about a new school instead for all the extra kids that will need somewhere to get their education? Or shall we just set them to work on the allotments instead??? I hope to goodness Boris kicks this out if the council doesnt.
allotments are very much in demand, I was told 10 years ago when I applied for one that it was at least a 10 yr waiting list. not all of us have the luxury of a garden large enough to plant veg in .

that said the housing plan is bonkers.
[quote][p][bold]ShinySue[/bold] wrote: Allotments? The mind boggles. There are several allotments very near this proposed development for why do we need more? How about a new school instead for all the extra kids that will need somewhere to get their education? Or shall we just set them to work on the allotments instead??? I hope to goodness Boris kicks this out if the council doesnt.[/p][/quote]allotments are very much in demand, I was told 10 years ago when I applied for one that it was at least a 10 yr waiting list. not all of us have the luxury of a garden large enough to plant veg in . that said the housing plan is bonkers. drysuitdiver
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10:36am Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

The allotments at the back of Low Hall Farm in walthamstow have been taken over by homeless immigrants with no where to live so dont gimme allotments darling.Ask labour about allotments
The allotments at the back of Low Hall Farm in walthamstow have been taken over by homeless immigrants with no where to live so dont gimme allotments darling.Ask labour about allotments E4LGOD
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10:40am Wed 9 May 12

ChingfordMan says...

I was there last night and the whole thing smelled of another big stitch up by Labour.
An FOI request revealed that LBWF were in discussions with L & Q long before they bought the site, and it was obvious that the council would smooth the way forward for tower blocks.

Whether you support greyhound racing or not, the answer to Waltham Forest's problems is not another Broadwater Farm Estate.
I was there last night and the whole thing smelled of another big stitch up by Labour. An FOI request revealed that LBWF were in discussions with L & Q long before they bought the site, and it was obvious that the council would smooth the way forward for tower blocks. Whether you support greyhound racing or not, the answer to Waltham Forest's problems is not another Broadwater Farm Estate. ChingfordMan
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10:42am Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

I think Vincent,Mahmood,the beardy geezer and the other old bird that voted for the housing estate broadwater farm beaumont mark 2 should be made to live there
I think Vincent,Mahmood,the beardy geezer and the other old bird that voted for the housing estate broadwater farm beaumont mark 2 should be made to live there E4LGOD
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10:50am Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

vince earnshaw wrote:
sadly this thread will have misinformed people sent by ALF members and supporters mayagold take a look at the people you have listened to,thousands of dogs with their ears hacked off!! dumped in bins,half of all litters killed?? where have you got your numbers?? sdbv ALF MEMBERS YOU IDIOT! the same mentality people releasing mink a few years ago to wreak havok forever more
What part of i looked at the evidence for myself and came to my own decisions did you not understand? I have seen photographs of dogs with their ears cut off - i never claimed this happened to thousands, but it certainly seems to happen to dozens, and in my view that is just as bad. I have also seen evidence of dozens stuffed in bins after what was surely an unnatural demise. You can see for yourself the overbreeding and abandonment issues by going to sites such as that for the East Midlands rescue centre - more than half the dogs are ex racers, and several of them have emotional problems.

Again, i have never spoken to or been a part of ALF.

As for mink, you are aware the vast majority escaped on their own, over a prolonged period of time, because of improper and substandard facilities? The fault lies not in some hippy releasing a half dozen, which is a drop in the ocean, but with the industry which brought the mink over in the first place!!
[quote][p][bold]vince earnshaw[/bold] wrote: sadly this thread will have misinformed people sent by ALF members and supporters mayagold take a look at the people you have listened to,thousands of dogs with their ears hacked off!! dumped in bins,half of all litters killed?? where have you got your numbers?? sdbv ALF MEMBERS YOU IDIOT! the same mentality people releasing mink a few years ago to wreak havok forever more[/p][/quote]What part of i looked at the evidence for myself and came to my own decisions did you not understand? I have seen photographs of dogs with their ears cut off - i never claimed this happened to thousands, but it certainly seems to happen to dozens, and in my view that is just as bad. I have also seen evidence of dozens stuffed in bins after what was surely an unnatural demise. You can see for yourself the overbreeding and abandonment issues by going to sites such as that for the East Midlands rescue centre - more than half the dogs are ex racers, and several of them have emotional problems. Again, i have never spoken to or been a part of ALF. As for mink, you are aware the vast majority escaped on their own, over a prolonged period of time, because of improper and substandard facilities? The fault lies not in some hippy releasing a half dozen, which is a drop in the ocean, but with the industry which brought the mink over in the first place!! MayaGold
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10:52am Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Its not all about dog racing mate!!!where do you live???will it affect you that this hideous idea it being allowed???
Its not all about dog racing mate!!!where do you live???will it affect you that this hideous idea it being allowed??? E4LGOD
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11:22am Wed 9 May 12

Jaycee Jones says...

I think it's a good thing. A step to ease the housing crisis, and away from an ailing industry.
I think it's a good thing. A step to ease the housing crisis, and away from an ailing industry. Jaycee Jones
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11:26am Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Its a good thing to build high rise blocks is it???294 of them in 1 small area??What planet u from???
Its a good thing to build high rise blocks is it???294 of them in 1 small area??What planet u from??? E4LGOD
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11:36am Wed 9 May 12

mad-dog says...

Disgrace absolute disgrace!!!
A pop up ghetto and greed over common sense and community!!!

I suggest the 4 people passing this have no integrity whatsever and therefore should not be in postion!

furious
Disgrace absolute disgrace!!! A pop up ghetto and greed over common sense and community!!! I suggest the 4 people passing this have no integrity whatsever and therefore should not be in postion! furious mad-dog
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12:03pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

I understand the objection to low cost housing. But is it really an option to re-open a Greyhound Track ? Is building a place where hundreds of dogs every year will be PTS the answer, because that is the reality behind Greyhound Racing. Have we not yet evolved from such barbaric pleasure for our own entertainent - because believe you me Greyhounds are Dying to Entertain You !. While countries who we consider to be 3rd world (e.g. Panama) ban Greyhound Racing on Welfare Issues, why would we , a civilised (allegedly) country want to further expand, what is an inherrently cruel and POINTLESS sport. I heay you don't want housing, but caring compassionate humans don't support th Greyhound Racing Industy !
I understand the objection to low cost housing. But is it really an option to re-open a Greyhound Track ? Is building a place where hundreds of dogs every year will be PTS the answer, because that is the reality behind Greyhound Racing. Have we not yet evolved from such barbaric pleasure for our own entertainent - because believe you me Greyhounds are Dying to Entertain You !. While countries who we consider to be 3rd world (e.g. Panama) ban Greyhound Racing on Welfare Issues, why would we , a civilised (allegedly) country want to further expand, what is an inherrently cruel and POINTLESS sport. I heay you don't want housing, but caring compassionate humans don't support th Greyhound Racing Industy ! Girly Grey
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12:04pm Wed 9 May 12

waltham says...

The application had nothing to do with greyhound racing .The chair stated this is purely an application of L&Q so why the animal rights nutters are on here is a joke go back to the usa hug a tree or better still get a job live in the real world
The application had nothing to do with greyhound racing .The chair stated this is purely an application of L&Q so why the animal rights nutters are on here is a joke go back to the usa hug a tree or better still get a job live in the real world waltham
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12:09pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

Waltham, I have never hugged a tree in my life and I am an educated adult - not an animal rights nutter, Thank You. I am entitled to an opinion and have done so without been offensive. Suggest you do the same or don't bother at all.
Waltham, I have never hugged a tree in my life and I am an educated adult - not an animal rights nutter, Thank You. I am entitled to an opinion and have done so without been offensive. Suggest you do the same or don't bother at all. Girly Grey
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12:19pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

If save our stow and the local residents knew that there were 7 councillors and 4 of them would be Labour,why did anybody bother going in the 1st place>???surely u must know that Labour would vote for housing estates???
If save our stow and the local residents knew that there were 7 councillors and 4 of them would be Labour,why did anybody bother going in the 1st place>???surely u must know that Labour would vote for housing estates??? E4LGOD
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12:38pm Wed 9 May 12

Harry J says...

I don't have a strong opinion on the future of the Stow except to say that I went to the racing several times in the couple of years before it closed (inlcudiing my stag night) and was always rather surprised by how relatively poorly attended it was. Theer didn't seem to be a massive appetite for dog racing as far as I could see, so not sure why that would have changed.
I don't have a strong opinion on the future of the Stow except to say that I went to the racing several times in the couple of years before it closed (inlcudiing my stag night) and was always rather surprised by how relatively poorly attended it was. Theer didn't seem to be a massive appetite for dog racing as far as I could see, so not sure why that would have changed. Harry J
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12:44pm Wed 9 May 12

tiesha says...

I am so happy to here that this place has been refused, Greyhound racing is on its backside with no future, so why invest in a dying industry..... Well done Labour for not giving in to the bully boy tactics of the industries finest, abuse comes natural to these people. If it was worth investing there would still be lots of stadiums in London like there was.
I am so happy to here that this place has been refused, Greyhound racing is on its backside with no future, so why invest in a dying industry..... Well done Labour for not giving in to the bully boy tactics of the industries finest, abuse comes natural to these people. If it was worth investing there would still be lots of stadiums in London like there was. tiesha
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12:49pm Wed 9 May 12

chezred says...

Fantastic news! This vile industry is dying financially as the majority of the public have no desire to see animals exploited for entertainment. Well done to the council for doing the right thing!
Fantastic news! This vile industry is dying financially as the majority of the public have no desire to see animals exploited for entertainment. Well done to the council for doing the right thing! chezred
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12:49pm Wed 9 May 12

xVxSarahxXx says...

What a fantastic move to close down this despicable Greyhound racing track and put in its place something useful and cruelty free for the community!

This is a wonderful day for all dogs who will be spared a life of torture and abuse. Thank you :)
What a fantastic move to close down this despicable Greyhound racing track and put in its place something useful and cruelty free for the community! This is a wonderful day for all dogs who will be spared a life of torture and abuse. Thank you :) xVxSarahxXx
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12:51pm Wed 9 May 12

Sue Hunt says...

waltham wrote:
The application had nothing to do with greyhound racing .The chair stated this is purely an application of L&Q so why the animal rights nutters are on here is a joke go back to the usa hug a tree or better still get a job live in the real world
Maybe instead of insulting people, try spending a day with a rescue centre, see for yourself the state some greyhounds end up in after they've been dumped when they are no longer winning. Then come back and say something constructive. I've never hugged a tree either but I have seen many many greyhounds come into rescue after being found straying, malnourished, a mouthful of rotting teeth, open wounds. This IS the real world and its happening every day!
[quote][p][bold]waltham[/bold] wrote: The application had nothing to do with greyhound racing .The chair stated this is purely an application of L&Q so why the animal rights nutters are on here is a joke go back to the usa hug a tree or better still get a job live in the real world[/p][/quote]Maybe instead of insulting people, try spending a day with a rescue centre, see for yourself the state some greyhounds end up in after they've been dumped when they are no longer winning. Then come back and say something constructive. I've never hugged a tree either but I have seen many many greyhounds come into rescue after being found straying, malnourished, a mouthful of rotting teeth, open wounds. This IS the real world and its happening every day! Sue Hunt
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1:05pm Wed 9 May 12

Tom Thumb says...

I am disappointed that the local Green Party can only see this planning application through the lens of animal rights, and has nothing at all to say about issues of car parking or flooding.

I am amused that Mark Dawes says that 'SOS posters depict a tower block which "looks nothing like" L&Q's plans.' He appears to regard L&Q's drawings as accurate, you know, the ones showing Chingford Road without any cars on it and a housing development where the sun shines perpetually on a handful of happy, smiling people walking among an earthly paradise.
I am disappointed that the local Green Party can only see this planning application through the lens of animal rights, and has nothing at all to say about issues of car parking or flooding. I am amused that Mark Dawes says that 'SOS posters depict a tower block which "looks nothing like" L&Q's plans.' He appears to regard L&Q's drawings as accurate, you know, the ones showing Chingford Road without any cars on it and a housing development where the sun shines perpetually on a handful of happy, smiling people walking among an earthly paradise. Tom Thumb
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1:05pm Wed 9 May 12

Tom Thumb says...

I am disappointed that the local Green Party can only see this planning application through the lens of animal rights, and has nothing at all to say about issues of car parking or flooding.

I am amused that Mark Dawes says that 'SOS posters depict a tower block which "looks nothing like" L&Q's plans.' He appears to regard L&Q's drawings as accurate, you know, the ones showing Chingford Road without any cars on it and a housing development where the sun shines perpetually on a handful of happy, smiling people walking among an earthly paradise.
I am disappointed that the local Green Party can only see this planning application through the lens of animal rights, and has nothing at all to say about issues of car parking or flooding. I am amused that Mark Dawes says that 'SOS posters depict a tower block which "looks nothing like" L&Q's plans.' He appears to regard L&Q's drawings as accurate, you know, the ones showing Chingford Road without any cars on it and a housing development where the sun shines perpetually on a handful of happy, smiling people walking among an earthly paradise. Tom Thumb
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1:14pm Wed 9 May 12

louise12 says...

WELL DONE LABOUR FOR PUTTING THE NEEDS OF A COMMUNITY ABOVE THE NEEDS OF SELF SERVING INDIVIDUALS, AND NOT PROMOTING ADDICTIVE BEHAVIOUR THAT IS HARMFUL TO FAMILY LIFE AND THE WELLBEING OF COMMUNITIES.
WELL DONE LABOUR FOR PUTTING THE NEEDS OF A COMMUNITY ABOVE THE NEEDS OF SELF SERVING INDIVIDUALS, AND NOT PROMOTING ADDICTIVE BEHAVIOUR THAT IS HARMFUL TO FAMILY LIFE AND THE WELLBEING OF COMMUNITIES. louise12
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1:25pm Wed 9 May 12

catnip10 says...

So it’s no longer a case of Walthamstow “Going to the Dogs” but more like it’s well and truly “Gone with the Dogs”.

I am the last member of my family living in Waltham Forest having been born here 55 years ago (my grandparents moved here over 100 years ago). The rest of my family moved out long ago and I now have no choice but to follow them as there’s nothing worth staying for since the only two places that put Walthamstow on the map (The Stow and The Standard Music Venue) are now a dim and distant memory. Both places have always been associated Walthamstow during my lifetime. The Standard is currently being used as a car park and soon to be …. yes you’ve guessed it, yet another supermarket – just what was needed in Walthamstow !. How on earth did residents in the Blackhorse area of Walthamstow survive in the past without them? I’ve heard a rumour that they had legs in the past and were able to make their way to the High Street. No doubt the powers that be would try and concrete over the whole of Walthamstow Marshes if they thought might get away with it. Any good luck to all the newcomers of Waltham Forest – I hope you have a long and happy life in this soon to be concrete jungle.

R.I.P. Waltham Forest.
So it’s no longer a case of Walthamstow “Going to the Dogs” but more like it’s well and truly “Gone with the Dogs”. I am the last member of my family living in Waltham Forest having been born here 55 years ago (my grandparents moved here over 100 years ago). The rest of my family moved out long ago and I now have no choice but to follow them as there’s nothing worth staying for since the only two places that put Walthamstow on the map (The Stow and The Standard Music Venue) are now a dim and distant memory. Both places have always been associated Walthamstow during my lifetime. The Standard is currently being used as a car park and soon to be …. yes you’ve guessed it, yet another supermarket – just what was needed in Walthamstow !. How on earth did residents in the Blackhorse area of Walthamstow survive in the past without them? I’ve heard a rumour that they had legs in the past and were able to make their way to the High Street. No doubt the powers that be would try and concrete over the whole of Walthamstow Marshes if they thought might get away with it. Any good luck to all the newcomers of Waltham Forest – I hope you have a long and happy life in this soon to be concrete jungle. R.I.P. Waltham Forest. catnip10
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1:25pm Wed 9 May 12

red37red says...

lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland!
if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it!
and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there! red37red
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1:30pm Wed 9 May 12

Thunderbird4 says...

Those poor, wretched little creatures, having to suffer. There will be too many of them, they will be overcrowded. What would the RSPCA have to say on the matter, if we were talking about dogs?
Those poor, wretched little creatures, having to suffer. There will be too many of them, they will be overcrowded. What would the RSPCA have to say on the matter, if we were talking about dogs? Thunderbird4
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1:38pm Wed 9 May 12

Thunderbird4 says...

I think I must be turning Tory - I agree with catnip10.
I think I must be turning Tory - I agree with catnip10. Thunderbird4
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1:45pm Wed 9 May 12

lizziegeegee says...

xVxSarahxXx wrote:
What a fantastic move to close down this despicable Greyhound racing track and put in its place something useful and cruelty free for the community!

This is a wonderful day for all dogs who will be spared a life of torture and abuse. Thank you :)
Fantastic news a few less tortured souls in the name of entertainment.......
Thankyou:)
[quote][p][bold]xVxSarahxXx[/bold] wrote: What a fantastic move to close down this despicable Greyhound racing track and put in its place something useful and cruelty free for the community! This is a wonderful day for all dogs who will be spared a life of torture and abuse. Thank you :)[/p][/quote]Fantastic news a few less tortured souls in the name of entertainment....... Thankyou:) lizziegeegee
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1:48pm Wed 9 May 12

Carol S says...

I really hope this decisions stands! Anyone wanting to overturn this on appeal ought to find out about the cruelty and suffering endured by the greyhounds used and abused for racing. Spend a while outside any greyhound track and see the high proportion of drunks and gamblers and then decide if it's healthy for a community to have such a place. I hope Boris does his homework on this!
I really hope this decisions stands! Anyone wanting to overturn this on appeal ought to find out about the cruelty and suffering endured by the greyhounds used and abused for racing. Spend a while outside any greyhound track and see the high proportion of drunks and gamblers and then decide if it's healthy for a community to have such a place. I hope Boris does his homework on this! Carol S
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1:49pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

red37red wrote:
lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.
[quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat. Girly Grey
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2:00pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

I think maybe we should all stay in with no entertainment - we have no library - we have no cinema - we have no live music venue - we have no dog stadium??Maybe lets close down all the parks and pubs and go the whole hog - my vision of Waltham Forest in 10 years time is 1 where we live in an even worse dump and if u **** u will be nicked
I think maybe we should all stay in with no entertainment - we have no library - we have no cinema - we have no live music venue - we have no dog stadium??Maybe lets close down all the parks and pubs and go the whole hog - my vision of Waltham Forest in 10 years time is 1 where we live in an even worse dump and if u **** u will be nicked E4LGOD
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2:05pm Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

red37red wrote:
lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland!
if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it!
and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
*mostly* in Ireland just means 1. it occurs within the industry and 2. it does occur here.

The RSPCA do hear about it, but if someone has removed the identifying marks of a dog, how (who?) are they supposed to prosecute? That's the reason behind the removal of the ear tattoos...

On a different note, what makes you so sure it's going to be all gangs and crackheads? Have you met every person who will be moving into this not-built-yet estate?

"L&Q’s plan provides 234 homes for private sale, 36 for shared ownership and just 24 four-bedroom homes let under the government’s affordable rent product" (from housing.co.uk 4/5/2012)

I could be wrong here, but generally people who have to buy their own homes aren't crackheads, so at least 234 of the houses will have people just like you and me living there. Actually i hope they are a little nicer than you...
[quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]*mostly* in Ireland just means 1. it occurs within the industry and 2. it does occur here. The RSPCA do hear about it, but if someone has removed the identifying marks of a dog, how (who?) are they supposed to prosecute? That's the reason behind the removal of the ear tattoos... On a different note, what makes you so sure it's going to be all gangs and crackheads? Have you met every person who will be moving into this not-built-yet estate? "L&Q’s plan provides 234 homes for private sale, 36 for shared ownership and just 24 four-bedroom homes let under the government’s affordable rent product" (from housing.co.uk 4/5/2012) I could be wrong here, but generally people who have to buy their own homes aren't crackheads, so at least 234 of the houses will have people just like you and me living there. Actually i hope they are a little nicer than you... MayaGold
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2:05pm Wed 9 May 12

mdg20 says...

Interesting that the Aniamal rights mob are saying that its good local housing needs are being put first. Are they? There will only be 24 flats available at an affordable price to the housing needs and no rentable social housing. It also falls well short of the 50% social hosuign rate that the council themselves want every development to meet. The alternative proposals recommended aswell as restoing a Walthm Forest Icon, providing entertainment for the communnity, drawing in tourism actually provides more affordable housing to locals.
Interesting that the Aniamal rights mob are saying that its good local housing needs are being put first. Are they? There will only be 24 flats available at an affordable price to the housing needs and no rentable social housing. It also falls well short of the 50% social hosuign rate that the council themselves want every development to meet. The alternative proposals recommended aswell as restoing a Walthm Forest Icon, providing entertainment for the communnity, drawing in tourism actually provides more affordable housing to locals. mdg20
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2:07pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

Firstly, Greyhound Racing is NOT entertainment. Maybe you should ask the council/developers to include Cinemas or Libraries and be constructive instead of ranting, it doesn't work. I understand your feeling on this decision, but Greyhound Racing is not the answer to the problem. Nor is calling names and being offensive - you just look stupid and no-one listens to you. Who are the squatters BTW, have I missed something ?
Firstly, Greyhound Racing is NOT entertainment. Maybe you should ask the council/developers to include Cinemas or Libraries and be constructive instead of ranting, it doesn't work. I understand your feeling on this decision, but Greyhound Racing is not the answer to the problem. Nor is calling names and being offensive - you just look stupid and no-one listens to you. Who are the squatters BTW, have I missed something ? Girly Grey
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2:18pm Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

E4LGOD wrote:
I think maybe we should all stay in with no entertainment - we have no library - we have no cinema - we have no live music venue - we have no dog stadium??Maybe lets close down all the parks and pubs and go the whole hog - my vision of Waltham Forest in 10 years time is 1 where we live in an even worse dump and if u **** u will be nicked
You're talking about the middle of London here. It's about 15 minutes drive or an hours walk to the nearest cinema (Which is probably the one on Salway Road) - this is much closer than most of the country!

I have.. no idea.. why you think there isn't a library. Maybe you've never actually been in one? They're all around the area...
http://www.londonlib
raries.gov.uk/waltha
mforest/
[quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: I think maybe we should all stay in with no entertainment - we have no library - we have no cinema - we have no live music venue - we have no dog stadium??Maybe lets close down all the parks and pubs and go the whole hog - my vision of Waltham Forest in 10 years time is 1 where we live in an even worse dump and if u **** u will be nicked[/p][/quote]You're talking about the middle of London here. It's about 15 minutes drive or an hours walk to the nearest cinema (Which is probably the one on Salway Road) - this is much closer than most of the country! I have.. no idea.. why you think there isn't a library. Maybe you've never actually been in one? They're all around the area... http://www.londonlib raries.gov.uk/waltha mforest/ MayaGold
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2:19pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Girly Grey tell me how long uve lived in the borough???Ive lived here all my life and my family for years before that - we arent interested in more housing im afraid and we r only getting it cos Labour took a lovely donation from L & Q and yes for your info u should go to Romford Stadium on a saturday and tell me how many people enjoy the sport
Girly Grey tell me how long uve lived in the borough???Ive lived here all my life and my family for years before that - we arent interested in more housing im afraid and we r only getting it cos Labour took a lovely donation from L & Q and yes for your info u should go to Romford Stadium on a saturday and tell me how many people enjoy the sport E4LGOD
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2:21pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

An hours walk to the nearest cinema????r u crazy??its woodford or picketts lock??u must have roller skates
An hours walk to the nearest cinema????r u crazy??its woodford or picketts lock??u must have roller skates E4LGOD
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2:22pm Wed 9 May 12

Sam Hain says...

Firstly, a confession. I went to the Stoww dog races once, as a guest. I would never have thought of going on my own and never went again. However, I did (rather quiltily) enjoy the experience so I can empathise with the people who miss it. However, as several posters have said, it's gone and is never realistically likely to come back again. The sole point of last night's marathon debate was to decide a planning application for housing on the site and that has now gone through. That being the case, it seems to me we should concentrate on the quality of that housing. I note that last year's Borough Design Awards Best Residential Scheme went to Papermill Place on Higham Hill, a project built by a partnership involving L&Q so I have no reason to think that their scheme for the Stow will be any less carefully designed. I do, however, agree with many other posters that, however well-designed, there are still wider issues around whether a) we want more housing in our borough and b) it is sustainable (ie can the existing infrastructure support it?). Even the most sensitively designed homes aren't much good to their occupiers if there aren't the schools, transport, health care, shops, parks etc that make them liveable. And, finally, as to Boris riding in like the knight in shing armour to save the Stow, don't make me larf! So he made an election promise - promises schpromises!
Firstly, a confession. I went to the Stoww dog races once, as a guest. I would never have thought of going on my own and never went again. However, I did (rather quiltily) enjoy the experience so I can empathise with the people who miss it. However, as several posters have said, it's gone and is never realistically likely to come back again. The sole point of last night's marathon debate was to decide a planning application for housing on the site and that has now gone through. That being the case, it seems to me we should concentrate on the quality of that housing. I note that last year's Borough Design Awards Best Residential Scheme went to Papermill Place on Higham Hill, a project built by a partnership involving L&Q so I have no reason to think that their scheme for the Stow will be any less carefully designed. I do, however, agree with many other posters that, however well-designed, there are still wider issues around whether a) we want more housing in our borough and b) it is sustainable (ie can the existing infrastructure support it?). Even the most sensitively designed homes aren't much good to their occupiers if there aren't the schools, transport, health care, shops, parks etc that make them liveable. And, finally, as to Boris riding in like the knight in shing armour to save the Stow, don't make me larf! So he made an election promise - promises schpromises! Sam Hain
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2:41pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

correct me if im wrong but im sure Salway Road is in Stratford???ha ha ha ha very local - il walk ii then walk home at 11pm???
correct me if im wrong but im sure Salway Road is in Stratford???ha ha ha ha very local - il walk ii then walk home at 11pm??? E4LGOD
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2:43pm Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

So you acquiesce there are actually several libraries then?

As for walking to the cinema, well it's very dependent on where you are walking from isn't it? And where you are walking to...

However if you leave from the dog track an under 10 minute drive (or around a 50 minute walk) will get you to the Woodford Odeon, where a 16 minute drive (or a 90 minute walk) will take you to the Stratford Picturehouse,


Whilst if you leave from Forest Road going to Woodford should actually take less than 40 minutes to walk (or driving should be somewhere around ten minutes), and a 15 minute drive (or just over an hours walk) will take you to the Stratford

Its not that hard is it?
So you acquiesce there are actually several libraries then? As for walking to the cinema, well it's very dependent on where you are walking from isn't it? And where you are walking to... However if you leave from the dog track an under 10 minute drive (or around a 50 minute walk) will get you to the Woodford Odeon, where a 16 minute drive (or a 90 minute walk) will take you to the Stratford Picturehouse, Whilst if you leave from Forest Road going to Woodford should actually take less than 40 minutes to walk (or driving should be somewhere around ten minutes), and a 15 minute drive (or just over an hours walk) will take you to the Stratford Its not that hard is it? MayaGold
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2:43pm Wed 9 May 12

catnip10 says...

"Thunderbird4 says...
1:38pm Wed 9 May 12

I think I must be turning Tory - I agree with catnip10."


I have no idea where you get the impression that I have ever voted Tory - Not me!
"Thunderbird4 says... 1:38pm Wed 9 May 12 I think I must be turning Tory - I agree with catnip10." I have no idea where you get the impression that I have ever voted Tory - Not me! catnip10
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2:45pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

who walks 90 minutes to go to the cinema???ure crackers darling - the truth is we dont have 1 so stop going round the houses trying to find 1
who walks 90 minutes to go to the cinema???ure crackers darling - the truth is we dont have 1 so stop going round the houses trying to find 1 E4LGOD
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2:48pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Priory court - beaumont - chingford hall and now another flea pit
Priory court - beaumont - chingford hall and now another flea pit E4LGOD
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2:50pm Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

I mentioned The Stratford Picture house as it's smaller and artsier and that could be what you're into, and as Stratford boarders Waltham Forest, depending on where in the borough you live, it could be your closest cinema...
I mentioned The Stratford Picture house as it's smaller and artsier and that could be what you're into, and as Stratford boarders Waltham Forest, depending on where in the borough you live, it could be your closest cinema... MayaGold
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2:53pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

E4LGOD wrote:
who walks 90 minutes to go to the cinema???ure crackers darling - the truth is we dont have 1 so stop going round the houses trying to find 1
I don't have a cinema or a library or a supermarket for that matter, within walking distance, and cinemas are 45 min drive away. Who do you think you are ? If you want entertaining, do like the rest of us do - get of your arse ! My original point if you had read it, was that it is not acceptable to use a cruel sport as entertainment - end of. Now stop bothering me about housing blah, blah, blah, I have offered you fair advice in a polite manner but you don't seem to read it. It was a huge success last night for the Greyhounds, and quite frankly I am over the moon :)
[quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: who walks 90 minutes to go to the cinema???ure crackers darling - the truth is we dont have 1 so stop going round the houses trying to find 1[/p][/quote]I don't have a cinema or a library or a supermarket for that matter, within walking distance, and cinemas are 45 min drive away. Who do you think you are ? If you want entertaining, do like the rest of us do - get of your arse ! My original point if you had read it, was that it is not acceptable to use a cruel sport as entertainment - end of. Now stop bothering me about housing blah, blah, blah, I have offered you fair advice in a polite manner but you don't seem to read it. It was a huge success last night for the Greyhounds, and quite frankly I am over the moon :) Girly Grey
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3:05pm Wed 9 May 12

Thunderbird4 says...

Catnip10. Sorry about that, it was a stupid remark on my part. I agree that local entertainment and cultural activities are being curtailed, (oops, an unfortunate dog reference), just to build human chicken coops or supermarkets. It's the builders who run Waltham Forest, and they need unscrupulous councillors to vote their demands for making money by ruining our environment. L&Q people, probably live way out of WF, and have trees and rabbits for neighbours.
Catnip10. Sorry about that, it was a stupid remark on my part. I agree that local entertainment and cultural activities are being curtailed, (oops, an unfortunate dog reference), just to build human chicken coops or supermarkets. It's the builders who run Waltham Forest, and they need unscrupulous councillors to vote their demands for making money by ruining our environment. L&Q people, probably live way out of WF, and have trees and rabbits for neighbours. Thunderbird4
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3:05pm Wed 9 May 12

MayaGold says...

E4LGOD wrote:
who walks 90 minutes to go to the cinema???ure crackers darling - the truth is we dont have 1 so stop going round the houses trying to find 1
That's why i told you how long it takes to drive.

Besides which it's only 90 minutes if you want to go to the Picturehouse (rather than the Odeon) and you leave from the dog track (rather than anywhere further south).

Vast numbers of people live in towns and villages which have no cinema, where the nearest on is a 30 minute DRIVE, are you seriously complaining about a 40 minute walk to the Woodford Odeon (which you can drive in under ten)?

Cinemas are not a fact of life to be found 20 walk everyone's doors, yet you are complaining because there are at least three within 20 minutes drive?
[quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: who walks 90 minutes to go to the cinema???ure crackers darling - the truth is we dont have 1 so stop going round the houses trying to find 1[/p][/quote]That's why i told you how long it takes to drive. Besides which it's only 90 minutes if you want to go to the Picturehouse (rather than the Odeon) and you leave from the dog track (rather than anywhere further south). Vast numbers of people live in towns and villages which have no cinema, where the nearest on is a 30 minute DRIVE, are you seriously complaining about a 40 minute walk to the Woodford Odeon (which you can drive in under ten)? Cinemas are not a fact of life to be found 20 walk everyone's doors, yet you are complaining because there are at least three within 20 minutes drive? MayaGold
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3:06pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

So u r saying then that from having a cinema and live music venue and greyhound stadium in our borough to having nothing is acceptable???Girly who do u think u r???how long have u lived in the borough or better still do u live in the borough??I doubt u do do u - If not then get off your arse and come and visit
So u r saying then that from having a cinema and live music venue and greyhound stadium in our borough to having nothing is acceptable???Girly who do u think u r???how long have u lived in the borough or better still do u live in the borough??I doubt u do do u - If not then get off your arse and come and visit E4LGOD
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3:08pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

yeah im complaining big time - Waltham Forest used to be nice im afraid but not any more
yeah im complaining big time - Waltham Forest used to be nice im afraid but not any more E4LGOD
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3:09pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

good old thunderbird
good old thunderbird E4LGOD
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3:22pm Wed 9 May 12

thegayfalcon says...

This is the fourth planning meeting I've attended in the last year, and I can only conclude that currently in this borough local democracy is dead. Immaterial of whether I agree with any of the final decisions or not, all the meetings have had two things in common. 1) A very well presented and informed level of debate from members of the public and opposition councilors who have spent many hours finding valid points of planning law to support their points only to have 2) the four labour members of the planning committee, whether agreeing or more commonly opposing their case, display a staggering level of self satisfied ignorance while doing it. I have seen Marie Pie and Jenny Grey repeatedly fling random insults at the very people who try to engage in the democratic process. I have seen Pete Barnett smugly smile as he looks down on us the "little people" below him. I have seen Asim Mahmood sedistepping with his "everything's already been said" speech, and I have seen poor Ms Vincent show every time that she is so chronically out of her depth with this level of decision making. They repeatedly insult us by their lack of social skills and unwillingness to engage in proper debate. I am perfectly prepared to be swayed by a well reasoned and informed argument but currently these meetings are pure farce. Like most locals I am a labour supporter but in the interest of local politics these councillors should be deselected asap. Local labour needs new blood on this committee who display real passion and vision for the area and can also back this up with their own serious knowledge of what planning is about, not just what they've been told to think.
This is the fourth planning meeting I've attended in the last year, and I can only conclude that currently in this borough local democracy is dead. Immaterial of whether I agree with any of the final decisions or not, all the meetings have had two things in common. 1) A very well presented and informed level of debate from members of the public and opposition councilors who have spent many hours finding valid points of planning law to support their points only to have 2) the four labour members of the planning committee, whether agreeing or more commonly opposing their case, display a staggering level of self satisfied ignorance while doing it. I have seen Marie Pie and Jenny Grey repeatedly fling random insults at the very people who try to engage in the democratic process. I have seen Pete Barnett smugly smile as he looks down on us the "little people" below him. I have seen Asim Mahmood sedistepping with his "everything's already been said" speech, and I have seen poor Ms Vincent show every time that she is so chronically out of her depth with this level of decision making. They repeatedly insult us by their lack of social skills and unwillingness to engage in proper debate. I am perfectly prepared to be swayed by a well reasoned and informed argument but currently these meetings are pure farce. Like most locals I am a labour supporter but in the interest of local politics these councillors should be deselected asap. Local labour needs new blood on this committee who display real passion and vision for the area and can also back this up with their own serious knowledge of what planning is about, not just what they've been told to think. thegayfalcon
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3:26pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Absolutely fantastic paragraph
Absolutely fantastic paragraph E4LGOD
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3:27pm Wed 9 May 12

ferdy55 says...

Will people stop going on about those bloody stupid dogs??? So you like dogs. Good for you. They're not there anymore and wont be back & I'm certainly not interested in what happens to them.

More importantly this debate is about a monstrosity thats going to be forced upon people in an already crowded neighbourhood. How many people will be living there? Approximately 500? I assume there'll be quite a few kids there, some of which will have to go to Rush Croft, as nearest school, which is already at capacity. Younger ones will have to go to local junior schools which are also quite full.

Then there'll be extra traffic at the junction with Chingford Road, but I assume the Council will expect everyone to cycle, walk or get loocal transport everywhere. Right, of course they will!!!!

Its just going to be dreadful round that area if/when its built, plus theres still plans in hand to convert the car park opposite at some time.
Will people stop going on about those bloody stupid dogs??? So you like dogs. Good for you. They're not there anymore and wont be back & I'm certainly not interested in what happens to them. More importantly this debate is about a monstrosity thats going to be forced upon people in an already crowded neighbourhood. How many people will be living there? Approximately 500? I assume there'll be quite a few kids there, some of which will have to go to Rush Croft, as nearest school, which is already at capacity. Younger ones will have to go to local junior schools which are also quite full. Then there'll be extra traffic at the junction with Chingford Road, but I assume the Council will expect everyone to cycle, walk or get loocal transport everywhere. Right, of course they will!!!! Its just going to be dreadful round that area if/when its built, plus theres still plans in hand to convert the car park opposite at some time. ferdy55
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3:29pm Wed 9 May 12

jen68 says...

An absolute disgrace. I do not want an unsightly housing estate built near to my home. I have lived in Chingford my whole life - perhaps its time for a change. This borough is getting worse every day. Hardly any leisure/entertainmen
t facilities in Chingford as it is but plently of housing being stuck on every available piece of land. The whole thing sucks!
An absolute disgrace. I do not want an unsightly housing estate built near to my home. I have lived in Chingford my whole life - perhaps its time for a change. This borough is getting worse every day. Hardly any leisure/entertainmen t facilities in Chingford as it is but plently of housing being stuck on every available piece of land. The whole thing sucks! jen68
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3:35pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

My god the real people have stood up and realised that now the dogs is closed its all about not wanting this hideous thing on our doorstep!!!!
My god the real people have stood up and realised that now the dogs is closed its all about not wanting this hideous thing on our doorstep!!!! E4LGOD
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3:40pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

E4LGOD wrote:
So u r saying then that from having a cinema and live music venue and greyhound stadium in our borough to having nothing is acceptable???Girly who do u think u r???how long have u lived in the borough or better still do u live in the borough??I doubt u do do u - If not then get off your arse and come and visit
My arguments are wasted on you, you are an ignorant silly man (I presume). Thank God I do not live in Walthamstow if the people on this blog are the "local" I have said and will say again I understand your opposition to the building of so many houses and your concerns about infrastructure etc.... But Greyhound racing IS cruel and IS NOT the answer to the redevelopment of the site. Ferdy55 You are stupid and ignorant to open you post in the tone you did, no-one reads a rant !
[quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: So u r saying then that from having a cinema and live music venue and greyhound stadium in our borough to having nothing is acceptable???Girly who do u think u r???how long have u lived in the borough or better still do u live in the borough??I doubt u do do u - If not then get off your arse and come and visit[/p][/quote]My arguments are wasted on you, you are an ignorant silly man (I presume). Thank God I do not live in Walthamstow if the people on this blog are the "local" I have said and will say again I understand your opposition to the building of so many houses and your concerns about infrastructure etc.... But Greyhound racing IS cruel and IS NOT the answer to the redevelopment of the site. Ferdy55 You are stupid and ignorant to open you post in the tone you did, no-one reads a rant ! Girly Grey
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3:40pm Wed 9 May 12

mdj says...

'..Like most locals I am a labour supporter..'
I think you've put your finger on the problem, gayfalcon! They won't change until you do! Get together with your neighbours and choose a candidate you know and trust to represent YOU, not someone who's trying to climb the public-sector ladder, not someone who thinks that the taxpayer owes them a job of one kind or another. (Or in Chingford, finds it a cushy number to draw the allowances and not lift a finger.) It really is up to YOU, and people like you. Remember that the 'Party of the Poor' can only stay in business by maintaining the supply of poor! They don't serve local people, they farm them.This is the main lesson of last night's decision.
'..Like most locals I am a labour supporter..' I think you've put your finger on the problem, gayfalcon! They won't change until you do! Get together with your neighbours and choose a candidate you know and trust to represent YOU, not someone who's trying to climb the public-sector ladder, not someone who thinks that the taxpayer owes them a job of one kind or another. (Or in Chingford, finds it a cushy number to draw the allowances and not lift a finger.) It really is up to YOU, and people like you. Remember that the 'Party of the Poor' can only stay in business by maintaining the supply of poor! They don't serve local people, they farm them.This is the main lesson of last night's decision. mdj
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3:42pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

SO GIRLYGREY TELL US ALL WHERE U DO ACTUALLY LIVE???
SO GIRLYGREY TELL US ALL WHERE U DO ACTUALLY LIVE??? E4LGOD
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3:43pm Wed 9 May 12

catnip10 says...

Thunderbird4 wrote:
Catnip10. Sorry about that, it was a stupid remark on my part. I agree that local entertainment and cultural activities are being curtailed, (oops, an unfortunate dog reference), just to build human chicken coops or supermarkets. It's the builders who run Waltham Forest, and they need unscrupulous councillors to vote their demands for making money by ruining our environment. L&Q people, probably live way out of WF, and have trees and rabbits for neighbours.
Apology accepted Thunderbird4 as we seem to be thinking along the same lines. I have great memories of The Stow over the years, not just dog racing but stock car and banger racing on friday nights during the 70's. I think it just needed someone with a bit of imagination to make that place work again but the owners were probably tired of it. I don't think they realised what effect the closure would have on the area - I bet they don't live in tower blocks !
[quote][p][bold]Thunderbird4[/bold] wrote: Catnip10. Sorry about that, it was a stupid remark on my part. I agree that local entertainment and cultural activities are being curtailed, (oops, an unfortunate dog reference), just to build human chicken coops or supermarkets. It's the builders who run Waltham Forest, and they need unscrupulous councillors to vote their demands for making money by ruining our environment. L&Q people, probably live way out of WF, and have trees and rabbits for neighbours.[/p][/quote]Apology accepted Thunderbird4 as we seem to be thinking along the same lines. I have great memories of The Stow over the years, not just dog racing but stock car and banger racing on friday nights during the 70's. I think it just needed someone with a bit of imagination to make that place work again but the owners were probably tired of it. I don't think they realised what effect the closure would have on the area - I bet they don't live in tower blocks ! catnip10
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3:48pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

E4LGOD wrote:
SO GIRLYGREY TELL US ALL WHERE U DO ACTUALLY LIVE???
How is that relevant, i would oppose a Greyhound Stadium if it was 200 yards 200 miles from me. That's my point which you just don't seem to understand. A wise man once said "You Can't Educate the Ignorant"
[quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: SO GIRLYGREY TELL US ALL WHERE U DO ACTUALLY LIVE???[/p][/quote]How is that relevant, i would oppose a Greyhound Stadium if it was 200 yards 200 miles from me. That's my point which you just don't seem to understand. A wise man once said "You Can't Educate the Ignorant" Girly Grey
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3:51pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Then if ure not from round here why dont u mind your own business and **** off
Then if ure not from round here why dont u mind your own business and **** off E4LGOD
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3:52pm Wed 9 May 12

charles123 says...

What a dog track would provide: Litter, drunks, noise, traffic, people urinating in the streets, introduction of drinking and gambling and possibly drugs to children, unstable jobs as the industry is in debt, hence the amount of stadiums now closed. What a housing estate will provide: Homes for people and their families who are in employment and would like to climb the property ladder, homes for people who are unemployed and will be subsidised with their rent, it has been proven that where their is new housing people become proud of their homes and respect property, jobs for the builders, jobs for maintenance on rented and mortgaged property, people from outside the area buying houses and bringing their skills to the area, all in all a better future for the children.
What a dog track would provide: Litter, drunks, noise, traffic, people urinating in the streets, introduction of drinking and gambling and possibly drugs to children, unstable jobs as the industry is in debt, hence the amount of stadiums now closed. What a housing estate will provide: Homes for people and their families who are in employment and would like to climb the property ladder, homes for people who are unemployed and will be subsidised with their rent, it has been proven that where their is new housing people become proud of their homes and respect property, jobs for the builders, jobs for maintenance on rented and mortgaged property, people from outside the area buying houses and bringing their skills to the area, all in all a better future for the children. charles123
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3:57pm Wed 9 May 12

charles123 says...

"Then if ure not from round here why dont u mind your own business and **** off"
AN EXAMPLE OF THE SCUM ON THIS PAGE...FOUL LANGUAGE COMES NATURAL TO THEM JUST LIKE THEIR WANT FOR TRASHY ESTABLISHMENTS IN THEIR AREA'S.
"Then if ure not from round here why dont u mind your own business and **** off" AN EXAMPLE OF THE SCUM ON THIS PAGE...FOUL LANGUAGE COMES NATURAL TO THEM JUST LIKE THEIR WANT FOR TRASHY ESTABLISHMENTS IN THEIR AREA'S. charles123
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3:58pm Wed 9 May 12

jen68 says...

I would imagine that most of those things you claim would be provided by a dog track will more than likely appear as a result of a housing estate too! I lived in a housing estate in the borough - it started off all hearts and flowers but now it is a complete hell-hole.
I would imagine that most of those things you claim would be provided by a dog track will more than likely appear as a result of a housing estate too! I lived in a housing estate in the borough - it started off all hearts and flowers but now it is a complete hell-hole. jen68
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4:08pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

How do u seriously think that a housing estate is a good thing to have???my good god
How do u seriously think that a housing estate is a good thing to have???my good god E4LGOD
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4:17pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

This council is run by vermin!
This council is run by vermin! W F B
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4:29pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

charles123 wrote:
"Then if ure not from round here why dont u mind your own business and **** off" AN EXAMPLE OF THE SCUM ON THIS PAGE...FOUL LANGUAGE COMES NATURAL TO THEM JUST LIKE THEIR WANT FOR TRASHY ESTABLISHMENTS IN THEIR AREA'S.
Thanks Charles, he is too stupid to argue with, so wouldn't bother responding to his posts. Thinks he is Mr Walthamstow and nobody else is entitled to an opinion.
[quote][p][bold]charles123[/bold] wrote: "Then if ure not from round here why dont u mind your own business and **** off" AN EXAMPLE OF THE SCUM ON THIS PAGE...FOUL LANGUAGE COMES NATURAL TO THEM JUST LIKE THEIR WANT FOR TRASHY ESTABLISHMENTS IN THEIR AREA'S.[/p][/quote]Thanks Charles, he is too stupid to argue with, so wouldn't bother responding to his posts. Thinks he is Mr Walthamstow and nobody else is entitled to an opinion. Girly Grey
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4:32pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

W F B wrote:
This council is run by vermin!
So is the Greyhound Industry - so at least they have something in common !
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: This council is run by vermin![/p][/quote]So is the Greyhound Industry - so at least they have something in common ! Girly Grey
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4:34pm Wed 9 May 12

thegayfalcon says...

mdj wrote:
'..Like most locals I am a labour supporter..'
I think you've put your finger on the problem, gayfalcon! They won't change until you do! Get together with your neighbours and choose a candidate you know and trust to represent YOU, not someone who's trying to climb the public-sector ladder, not someone who thinks that the taxpayer owes them a job of one kind or another. (Or in Chingford, finds it a cushy number to draw the allowances and not lift a finger.) It really is up to YOU, and people like you. Remember that the 'Party of the Poor' can only stay in business by maintaining the supply of poor! They don't serve local people, they farm them.This is the main lesson of last night's decision.
Too right, until they feel any sense of risk nothing's going to change. We've got to stop Waltham Forest becoming London's dormitory. No jobs, no life, just beds.

Back to last night - most people on here seem to be going on about Dog Racing. Let's be clear rightly or wrongly dog racing did NOT form part of the application and could not be discussed by the committee. The planning application could only be discussed in terms of 1) housing, 2) jobs and 3) the needs of local people re flooding, parking etc. On paper it was a pretty standard meeting. My point is that the labour councilors on the committee failed completely to justify why they supported a scheme that effectively failed on all three levels. That is a proposal that didn't deliver the best for local people, local jobs and local housing. A proposal that didn't meet most of teh council's own guidelines. It is a very lazy scheme, designed to claw back money for the developers and as always the Mediocre Four with no ideas of their own just can't be bothered to fight for something better.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: '..Like most locals I am a labour supporter..' I think you've put your finger on the problem, gayfalcon! They won't change until you do! Get together with your neighbours and choose a candidate you know and trust to represent YOU, not someone who's trying to climb the public-sector ladder, not someone who thinks that the taxpayer owes them a job of one kind or another. (Or in Chingford, finds it a cushy number to draw the allowances and not lift a finger.) It really is up to YOU, and people like you. Remember that the 'Party of the Poor' can only stay in business by maintaining the supply of poor! They don't serve local people, they farm them.This is the main lesson of last night's decision.[/p][/quote]Too right, until they feel any sense of risk nothing's going to change. We've got to stop Waltham Forest becoming London's dormitory. No jobs, no life, just beds. Back to last night - most people on here seem to be going on about Dog Racing. Let's be clear rightly or wrongly dog racing did NOT form part of the application and could not be discussed by the committee. The planning application could only be discussed in terms of 1) housing, 2) jobs and 3) the needs of local people re flooding, parking etc. On paper it was a pretty standard meeting. My point is that the labour councilors on the committee failed completely to justify why they supported a scheme that effectively failed on all three levels. That is a proposal that didn't deliver the best for local people, local jobs and local housing. A proposal that didn't meet most of teh council's own guidelines. It is a very lazy scheme, designed to claw back money for the developers and as always the Mediocre Four with no ideas of their own just can't be bothered to fight for something better. thegayfalcon
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4:50pm Wed 9 May 12

E4LGOD says...

Charles have the housing estate on your doorstep mate
Charles have the housing estate on your doorstep mate E4LGOD
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4:58pm Wed 9 May 12

red37red says...

Girly Grey wrote:
red37red wrote:
lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.
hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it.
i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing!
[quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.[/p][/quote]hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing! red37red
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5:11pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

@girly grey..You don’t know what your talking about, probably a tree hugging vegan.
The dog track made Walthamstow iconic throughout the uk..Not anymore, the council is now run by non residents of walthamstow just career Councillors who don't give a monkey's about walthamstow and it's traditions..It’s already been said, we don’t need any more housing estates full eastern European's..where full to the rafters..
@girly grey..You don’t know what your talking about, probably a tree hugging vegan. The dog track made Walthamstow iconic throughout the uk..Not anymore, the council is now run by non residents of walthamstow just career Councillors who don't give a monkey's about walthamstow and it's traditions..It’s already been said, we don’t need any more housing estates full eastern European's..where full to the rafters.. W F B
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5:11pm Wed 9 May 12

joys52 says...

We have a greyhound stadium in Peterborough it attracts the worst kind of people mainly hen and stag do's. The promoters put on cheap food and booze and you regularly see drunken yobs urinating in the street, making noise and being a general nuisance. Greyhound racing is in decline because of the public awareness of the cruelty involved. Do you really want this in your town?
We have a greyhound stadium in Peterborough it attracts the worst kind of people mainly hen and stag do's. The promoters put on cheap food and booze and you regularly see drunken yobs urinating in the street, making noise and being a general nuisance. Greyhound racing is in decline because of the public awareness of the cruelty involved. Do you really want this in your town? joys52
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5:12pm Wed 9 May 12

red37red says...

MayaGold wrote:
red37red wrote:
lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland!
if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it!
and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
*mostly* in Ireland just means 1. it occurs within the industry and 2. it does occur here.

The RSPCA do hear about it, but if someone has removed the identifying marks of a dog, how (who?) are they supposed to prosecute? That's the reason behind the removal of the ear tattoos...

On a different note, what makes you so sure it's going to be all gangs and crackheads? Have you met every person who will be moving into this not-built-yet estate?

"L&Q’s plan provides 234 homes for private sale, 36 for shared ownership and just 24 four-bedroom homes let under the government’s affordable rent product" (from housing.co.uk 4/5/2012)

I could be wrong here, but generally people who have to buy their own homes aren't crackheads, so at least 234 of the houses will have people just like you and me living there. Actually i hope they are a little nicer than you...
i live on a l&q estate and its a shithole..
do you know for fact that all greyhound owner.

MayaGold ..drug takers can be rich or poor..amy winehouse!
[quote][p][bold]MayaGold[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]*mostly* in Ireland just means 1. it occurs within the industry and 2. it does occur here. The RSPCA do hear about it, but if someone has removed the identifying marks of a dog, how (who?) are they supposed to prosecute? That's the reason behind the removal of the ear tattoos... On a different note, what makes you so sure it's going to be all gangs and crackheads? Have you met every person who will be moving into this not-built-yet estate? "L&Q’s plan provides 234 homes for private sale, 36 for shared ownership and just 24 four-bedroom homes let under the government’s affordable rent product" (from housing.co.uk 4/5/2012) I could be wrong here, but generally people who have to buy their own homes aren't crackheads, so at least 234 of the houses will have people just like you and me living there. Actually i hope they are a little nicer than you...[/p][/quote]i live on a l&q estate and its a shithole.. do you know for fact that all greyhound owner. MayaGold ..drug takers can be rich or poor..amy winehouse! red37red
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5:16pm Wed 9 May 12

Sue Hunt says...

W F B wrote:
@girly grey..You don’t know what your talking about, probably a tree hugging vegan. The dog track made Walthamstow iconic throughout the uk..Not anymore, the council is now run by non residents of walthamstow just career Councillors who don't give a monkey's about walthamstow and it's traditions..It’s already been said, we don’t need any more housing estates full eastern European's..where full to the rafters..
Why is everyone a tree hugging vegan? I'm certainly not, I eat meat and I don't hug trees, I just care about greyhounds and have seen first hand the cruelty involved. Neither am I racist unlike you according to your comment!
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: @girly grey..You don’t know what your talking about, probably a tree hugging vegan. The dog track made Walthamstow iconic throughout the uk..Not anymore, the council is now run by non residents of walthamstow just career Councillors who don't give a monkey's about walthamstow and it's traditions..It’s already been said, we don’t need any more housing estates full eastern European's..where full to the rafters..[/p][/quote]Why is everyone a tree hugging vegan? I'm certainly not, I eat meat and I don't hug trees, I just care about greyhounds and have seen first hand the cruelty involved. Neither am I racist unlike you according to your comment! Sue Hunt
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5:24pm Wed 9 May 12

jen68 says...

Is the dog track in Walthamstow E17 or Chingford E4? I believe its in E4 and as a resident of that postcode and living in the immediate vicinity of the site I can absolutely say that a housing estate is not what I want to be near. We have enough undesirables moving into the area already - enough is enough. How about something recreational/enterta
inment-based? We don't have anything much in Chingford. It doesn't have to be dog racing although I have nothing against that and have many fond memories of watching the dogs.
Is the dog track in Walthamstow E17 or Chingford E4? I believe its in E4 and as a resident of that postcode and living in the immediate vicinity of the site I can absolutely say that a housing estate is not what I want to be near. We have enough undesirables moving into the area already - enough is enough. How about something recreational/enterta inment-based? We don't have anything much in Chingford. It doesn't have to be dog racing although I have nothing against that and have many fond memories of watching the dogs. jen68
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5:27pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

@Sue Hunt, what's racist?
people like you is why the country's gone to pot.. change the h with a c
@Sue Hunt, what's racist? people like you is why the country's gone to pot.. change the h with a c W F B
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5:59pm Wed 9 May 12

Sue Hunt says...

W F B wrote:
@Sue Hunt, what's racist? people like you is why the country's gone to pot.. change the h with a c
Must have took you ages to think of that one!!
Its a shame you haven't got anything constructive to say.
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: @Sue Hunt, what's racist? people like you is why the country's gone to pot.. change the h with a c[/p][/quote]Must have took you ages to think of that one!! Its a shame you haven't got anything constructive to say. Sue Hunt
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6:00pm Wed 9 May 12

Tom Thumb says...

Sam Hain wrote:
Firstly, a confession. I went to the Stoww dog races once, as a guest. I would never have thought of going on my own and never went again. However, I did (rather quiltily) enjoy the experience so I can empathise with the people who miss it. However, as several posters have said, it's gone and is never realistically likely to come back again. The sole point of last night's marathon debate was to decide a planning application for housing on the site and that has now gone through. That being the case, it seems to me we should concentrate on the quality of that housing. I note that last year's Borough Design Awards Best Residential Scheme went to Papermill Place on Higham Hill, a project built by a partnership involving L&Q so I have no reason to think that their scheme for the Stow will be any less carefully designed. I do, however, agree with many other posters that, however well-designed, there are still wider issues around whether a) we want more housing in our borough and b) it is sustainable (ie can the existing infrastructure support it?). Even the most sensitively designed homes aren't much good to their occupiers if there aren't the schools, transport, health care, shops, parks etc that make them liveable. And, finally, as to Boris riding in like the knight in shing armour to save the Stow, don't make me larf! So he made an election promise - promises schpromises!
I am profoundly shocked by your suggestion that Boris won't throw this scheme out.

If he did, that would show he was a liar and an opportunist.

It is desperately upsetting when people lose faith in elected politicians.

Boris, for your information, also signed up at the very last moment to the London Cycling Campaign's 'Go Dutch' campaign, and I look forward with great enthusiasm to Boris seizing road space from car drivers and building protected paths for cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: Firstly, a confession. I went to the Stoww dog races once, as a guest. I would never have thought of going on my own and never went again. However, I did (rather quiltily) enjoy the experience so I can empathise with the people who miss it. However, as several posters have said, it's gone and is never realistically likely to come back again. The sole point of last night's marathon debate was to decide a planning application for housing on the site and that has now gone through. That being the case, it seems to me we should concentrate on the quality of that housing. I note that last year's Borough Design Awards Best Residential Scheme went to Papermill Place on Higham Hill, a project built by a partnership involving L&Q so I have no reason to think that their scheme for the Stow will be any less carefully designed. I do, however, agree with many other posters that, however well-designed, there are still wider issues around whether a) we want more housing in our borough and b) it is sustainable (ie can the existing infrastructure support it?). Even the most sensitively designed homes aren't much good to their occupiers if there aren't the schools, transport, health care, shops, parks etc that make them liveable. And, finally, as to Boris riding in like the knight in shing armour to save the Stow, don't make me larf! So he made an election promise - promises schpromises![/p][/quote]I am profoundly shocked by your suggestion that Boris won't throw this scheme out. If he did, that would show he was a liar and an opportunist. It is desperately upsetting when people lose faith in elected politicians. Boris, for your information, also signed up at the very last moment to the London Cycling Campaign's 'Go Dutch' campaign, and I look forward with great enthusiasm to Boris seizing road space from car drivers and building protected paths for cyclists. Tom Thumb
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6:02pm Wed 9 May 12

Tom Thumb says...

Sorry, that should read if Boris DIDN'T throw this scheme out.
Sorry, that should read if Boris DIDN'T throw this scheme out. Tom Thumb
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6:12pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

@ sue hunt, been waiting for your response, 25 mins plus..YOU CAN TALK
@ sue hunt, been waiting for your response, 25 mins plus..YOU CAN TALK W F B
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6:12pm Wed 9 May 12

ferdy55 says...

Girly Grey wrote:
E4LGOD wrote:
So u r saying then that from having a cinema and live music venue and greyhound stadium in our borough to having nothing is acceptable???Girly who do u think u r???how long have u lived in the borough or better still do u live in the borough??I doubt u do do u - If not then get off your arse and come and visit
My arguments are wasted on you, you are an ignorant silly man (I presume). Thank God I do not live in Walthamstow if the people on this blog are the "local" I have said and will say again I understand your opposition to the building of so many houses and your concerns about infrastructure etc.... But Greyhound racing IS cruel and IS NOT the answer to the redevelopment of the site. Ferdy55 You are stupid and ignorant to open you post in the tone you did, no-one reads a rant !
So everyone else is ignorant if they don't have the same doggy views as you? Thats a good way of having a discussion!!!!

I haven't even mentioned about having dog racing being there again. I'm just very bored with everyone just picking on that as the most important subject when it's to do with an oversized development in such a small space which affects real humans.

The planning people & council would leave reading all this about dogs as its taken the main debate away from their stupid plans for the site.

As you have stated, you do not even live in Walthamstow (although the stadium is in Chingford) so obviously have just come on here when you have seen dogs mentioned so you can advise everyone, as loads of other people have already done, that you think the racing is cruel.

So I'm ignorant because I dont care about them & you do? I'm off to sulk now!
[quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: So u r saying then that from having a cinema and live music venue and greyhound stadium in our borough to having nothing is acceptable???Girly who do u think u r???how long have u lived in the borough or better still do u live in the borough??I doubt u do do u - If not then get off your arse and come and visit[/p][/quote]My arguments are wasted on you, you are an ignorant silly man (I presume). Thank God I do not live in Walthamstow if the people on this blog are the "local" I have said and will say again I understand your opposition to the building of so many houses and your concerns about infrastructure etc.... But Greyhound racing IS cruel and IS NOT the answer to the redevelopment of the site. Ferdy55 You are stupid and ignorant to open you post in the tone you did, no-one reads a rant ![/p][/quote]So everyone else is ignorant if they don't have the same doggy views as you? Thats a good way of having a discussion!!!! I haven't even mentioned about having dog racing being there again. I'm just very bored with everyone just picking on that as the most important subject when it's to do with an oversized development in such a small space which affects real humans. The planning people & council would leave reading all this about dogs as its taken the main debate away from their stupid plans for the site. As you have stated, you do not even live in Walthamstow (although the stadium is in Chingford) so obviously have just come on here when you have seen dogs mentioned so you can advise everyone, as loads of other people have already done, that you think the racing is cruel. So I'm ignorant because I dont care about them & you do? I'm off to sulk now! ferdy55
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6:20pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

W F B wrote:
@Sue Hunt, what's racist? people like you is why the country's gone to pot.. change the h with a c
WFB How offensive !!!!!!! You must be part of the Greyhound Fraternity. Had you posted this about me I would have you removed from the blog. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL FFS !!!! Sorry Sue had to comment. x
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: @Sue Hunt, what's racist? people like you is why the country's gone to pot.. change the h with a c[/p][/quote]WFB How offensive !!!!!!! You must be part of the Greyhound Fraternity. Had you posted this about me I would have you removed from the blog. THIS IS NOT PERSONAL FFS !!!! Sorry Sue had to comment. x Girly Grey
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6:21pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

Another thing to take into account is Boris has to give the go ahead with this project..Boris do the right thing and reject it out of hand.What a great mayor he is..
Another thing to take into account is Boris has to give the go ahead with this project..Boris do the right thing and reject it out of hand.What a great mayor he is.. W F B
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6:27pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

@Girly Grey, calling me a racist is offensive would't you agree..
@Girly Grey, calling me a racist is offensive would't you agree.. W F B
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7:29pm Wed 9 May 12

hooray7 says...

Hooray another disgusting track being closed. I don't know what the problem is. Seems simple to be: Cons of track closure = zero. Pros of track closure: thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less gambling, thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less trashy unhealthy food outlets, less alcohol consumed and violence due to that, more housing, Less dogs abused, killed and tortured, reduction in propaganda teaching our kids about all of the above. Oh and did I mention less dogs abused, killed and tortured in the disgusting entertainment known as dog racing! Hooray all round!
Hooray another disgusting track being closed. I don't know what the problem is. Seems simple to be: Cons of track closure = zero. Pros of track closure: thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less gambling, thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less trashy unhealthy food outlets, less alcohol consumed and violence due to that, more housing, Less dogs abused, killed and tortured, reduction in propaganda teaching our kids about all of the above. Oh and did I mention less dogs abused, killed and tortured in the disgusting entertainment known as dog racing! Hooray all round! hooray7
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7:36pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

Hooray7..more like hooray henry..****
Hooray7..more like hooray henry..**** W F B
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7:41pm Wed 9 May 12

jen68 says...

Hooray7 - its not about a dog track closing, its about the building of a housing estate and the implications of such on local residents. No doubt with time dog fighting will be a past-time on the estate - that'll be nice wont it?
Hooray7 - its not about a dog track closing, its about the building of a housing estate and the implications of such on local residents. No doubt with time dog fighting will be a past-time on the estate - that'll be nice wont it? jen68
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8:15pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

W F B wrote:
@Girly Grey, calling me a racist is offensive would't you agree..
You really are stupid. I called you OFFENSIVE. YOU called Sue Hunt a Racist !!! I am also not a vegan or a tree hugger FYI, get your facts right and read the posts properly, assuming you can read.
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: @Girly Grey, calling me a racist is offensive would't you agree..[/p][/quote]You really are stupid. I called you OFFENSIVE. YOU called Sue Hunt a Racist !!! I am also not a vegan or a tree hugger FYI, get your facts right and read the posts properly, assuming you can read. Girly Grey
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8:18pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

Don't ya just love yuppie scum moving into your borough trying to dictate..
Don't ya just love yuppie scum moving into your borough trying to dictate.. W F B
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8:28pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

red37red wrote:
Girly Grey wrote:
red37red wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.
hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing!
You haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Over 10.000 dogs every year go unaccounted for, last year 2304 PUPPIES yes PUPPIES culled because they wouldn't chase (bred purely for the racing industry), 7400 destroyed trackside beacause they sustained often minor treatable injuries, over 10,000 disappear annually - who knows where. Est 3400 are rehomed. Do the maths !! As for your experience at the track you were either blindfolded or injected/fed the same **** the dogs were and still are. This week a trainer has been prosecuted for a positive drugs test on one of his dogs (oxezepam, temazepam and amphetamine) And he was caught ! How many aren't ?What about the dogs that are given huge meals just before a race to slow them down (they often die of bloat) or Glucose rubbed on their gums to speed them up (they have rotten painful teeth) or forced to drink Caffeine drinks like Red Bull. Don't get me started on Greyhound Welfare - you haven't got a clue. Go back to the issue of housing and leave Welfare to the ones who a, know what they are talking about and b, give a flying ****.
[quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.[/p][/quote]hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing![/p][/quote]You haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Over 10.000 dogs every year go unaccounted for, last year 2304 PUPPIES yes PUPPIES culled because they wouldn't chase (bred purely for the racing industry), 7400 destroyed trackside beacause they sustained often minor treatable injuries, over 10,000 disappear annually - who knows where. Est 3400 are rehomed. Do the maths !! As for your experience at the track you were either blindfolded or injected/fed the same **** the dogs were and still are. This week a trainer has been prosecuted for a positive drugs test on one of his dogs (oxezepam, temazepam and amphetamine) And he was caught ! How many aren't ?What about the dogs that are given huge meals just before a race to slow them down (they often die of bloat) or Glucose rubbed on their gums to speed them up (they have rotten painful teeth) or forced to drink Caffeine drinks like Red Bull. Don't get me started on Greyhound Welfare - you haven't got a clue. Go back to the issue of housing and leave Welfare to the ones who a, know what they are talking about and b, give a flying ****. Girly Grey
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8:28pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

Girly grey, i suggest you read through the comments again..muppet
Girly grey, i suggest you read through the comments again..muppet W F B
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8:50pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

Walthamstow was the best ! Dogs do sometimes get hurt ! Crap and not necessary. You are campaigning for the reopening of a Greyhound Track, which in this muppets humble opinion is wrong. And it wasn't YOUR post anyway Spammer !
Walthamstow was the best ! Dogs do sometimes get hurt ! Crap and not necessary. You are campaigning for the reopening of a Greyhound Track, which in this muppets humble opinion is wrong. And it wasn't YOUR post anyway Spammer ! Girly Grey
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8:50pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

I'll pay for girly grey's one way ticket to north korea.
I'll pay for girly grey's one way ticket to north korea. W F B
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8:54pm Wed 9 May 12

Girly Grey says...

Byeeeee !
Byeeeee ! Girly Grey
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9:13pm Wed 9 May 12

vince earnshaw says...

Girly Grey wrote:
red37red wrote:
Girly Grey wrote:
red37red wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.
hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing!
You haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Over 10.000 dogs every year go unaccounted for, last year 2304 PUPPIES yes PUPPIES culled because they wouldn't chase (bred purely for the racing industry), 7400 destroyed trackside beacause they sustained often minor treatable injuries, over 10,000 disappear annually - who knows where. Est 3400 are rehomed. Do the maths !! As for your experience at the track you were either blindfolded or injected/fed the same **** the dogs were and still are. This week a trainer has been prosecuted for a positive drugs test on one of his dogs (oxezepam, temazepam and amphetamine) And he was caught ! How many aren't ?What about the dogs that are given huge meals just before a race to slow them down (they often die of bloat) or Glucose rubbed on their gums to speed them up (they have rotten painful teeth) or forced to drink Caffeine drinks like Red Bull. Don't get me started on Greyhound Welfare - you haven't got a clue. Go back to the issue of housing and leave Welfare to the ones who a, know what they are talking about and b, give a flying ****.
where on earth do you invent your figures?? completely made up!your figures account for thousands more than are bred!! only 3500 rehomed?? funny the rgt home around 4500 alone,plus all the other rescues,plus the trainers!you worked at belle vue for 15 years and it took you that long to work out it was really really cruel?? all in all you talk rubbish so go back onto sdbv and chat with your pals about your silly numbers and leave these people to discuss a housing estate on their doorstep (the stadium closed in 2008 and its closure hasn't made any difference to greyhound numbers and its closure had nothing to do with anti racers) you can't see it from your house up north and i'm sure the people affected have heard enough bull from politicians without hearing more from the likes of you!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.[/p][/quote]hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing![/p][/quote]You haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Over 10.000 dogs every year go unaccounted for, last year 2304 PUPPIES yes PUPPIES culled because they wouldn't chase (bred purely for the racing industry), 7400 destroyed trackside beacause they sustained often minor treatable injuries, over 10,000 disappear annually - who knows where. Est 3400 are rehomed. Do the maths !! As for your experience at the track you were either blindfolded or injected/fed the same **** the dogs were and still are. This week a trainer has been prosecuted for a positive drugs test on one of his dogs (oxezepam, temazepam and amphetamine) And he was caught ! How many aren't ?What about the dogs that are given huge meals just before a race to slow them down (they often die of bloat) or Glucose rubbed on their gums to speed them up (they have rotten painful teeth) or forced to drink Caffeine drinks like Red Bull. Don't get me started on Greyhound Welfare - you haven't got a clue. Go back to the issue of housing and leave Welfare to the ones who a, know what they are talking about and b, give a flying ****.[/p][/quote]where on earth do you invent your figures?? completely made up!your figures account for thousands more than are bred!! only 3500 rehomed?? funny the rgt home around 4500 alone,plus all the other rescues,plus the trainers!you worked at belle vue for 15 years and it took you that long to work out it was really really cruel?? all in all you talk rubbish so go back onto sdbv and chat with your pals about your silly numbers and leave these people to discuss a housing estate on their doorstep (the stadium closed in 2008 and its closure hasn't made any difference to greyhound numbers and its closure had nothing to do with anti racers) you can't see it from your house up north and i'm sure the people affected have heard enough bull from politicians without hearing more from the likes of you!!!!!!!!!! vince earnshaw
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9:51pm Wed 9 May 12

W F B says...

I'm sure my Korea reference was lost on her. (they eat dog's in north Korea by the thousands) go do your campaigning over there..
I'm sure my Korea reference was lost on her. (they eat dog's in north Korea by the thousands) go do your campaigning over there.. W F B
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9:54pm Wed 9 May 12

Mary T.W. says...

Can I just start off by saying that I am absolutely mortified at the manner in which E4LGOD has been conducting himself on this site.

Besides that, I think that people need to realise that crap housing estate or not, Dogs will probably never ever open again, even if the site was left as is. Having said that, I do have to agree that a housing estate there is probably the poorest choice I've seen made in the borough in quite a while.

I think it would be a great idea to preserve the site as a historical token, perhaps as a museum of sorts, as undeniably it is/was quite a major part of our borough.
Can I just start off by saying that I am absolutely mortified at the manner in which E4LGOD has been conducting himself on this site. Besides that, I think that people need to realise that crap housing estate or not, Dogs will probably never ever open again, even if the site was left as is. Having said that, I do have to agree that a housing estate there is probably the poorest choice I've seen made in the borough in quite a while. I think it would be a great idea to preserve the site as a historical token, perhaps as a museum of sorts, as undeniably it is/was quite a major part of our borough. Mary T.W.
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11:04pm Wed 9 May 12

skyblueshaker says...

Well done to the Council. We need more housing, we don't need more gambling institutions and kids being dragged into them. It's a sad reflection on our community that anyone could think otherwise.
Well done to the Council. We need more housing, we don't need more gambling institutions and kids being dragged into them. It's a sad reflection on our community that anyone could think otherwise. skyblueshaker
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11:16pm Wed 9 May 12

awp123 says...

Mary T.W. wrote:
Can I just start off by saying that I am absolutely mortified at the manner in which E4LGOD has been conducting himself on this site.

Besides that, I think that people need to realise that crap housing estate or not, Dogs will probably never ever open again, even if the site was left as is. Having said that, I do have to agree that a housing estate there is probably the poorest choice I've seen made in the borough in quite a while.

I think it would be a great idea to preserve the site as a historical token, perhaps as a museum of sorts, as undeniably it is/was quite a major part of our borough.
I have to agree with you Mary T.W.

E4LGOD has shown himself to be an ignorant, uneducated and thoroughly despicable character. Shame on him.
[quote][p][bold]Mary T.W.[/bold] wrote: Can I just start off by saying that I am absolutely mortified at the manner in which E4LGOD has been conducting himself on this site. Besides that, I think that people need to realise that crap housing estate or not, Dogs will probably never ever open again, even if the site was left as is. Having said that, I do have to agree that a housing estate there is probably the poorest choice I've seen made in the borough in quite a while. I think it would be a great idea to preserve the site as a historical token, perhaps as a museum of sorts, as undeniably it is/was quite a major part of our borough.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with you Mary T.W. E4LGOD has shown himself to be an ignorant, uneducated and thoroughly despicable character. Shame on him. awp123
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11:22pm Wed 9 May 12

awp123 says...

pammybear101 wrote:
Could this finally be what we have been waiting for - an end to the terrible suffering endured by innocent greyhounds?
Lets hope so...
[quote][p][bold]pammybear101[/bold] wrote: Could this finally be what we have been waiting for - an end to the terrible suffering endured by innocent greyhounds?[/p][/quote]Lets hope so... awp123
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11:23pm Wed 9 May 12

awp123 says...

E4LGOD wrote:
SO GIRLYGREY TELL US ALL WHERE U DO ACTUALLY LIVE???
Bully.
[quote][p][bold]E4LGOD[/bold] wrote: SO GIRLYGREY TELL US ALL WHERE U DO ACTUALLY LIVE???[/p][/quote]Bully. awp123
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11:29pm Wed 9 May 12

Mary T.W. says...

awp123 wrote:
pammybear101 wrote:
Could this finally be what we have been waiting for - an end to the terrible suffering endured by innocent greyhounds?
Lets hope so...
But it's already pretty much ended! I reckon this doesn't really hold much weight in terms of welfare since there's nothing going on in there anyway. But I guess it's nice to think so!
[quote][p][bold]awp123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pammybear101[/bold] wrote: Could this finally be what we have been waiting for - an end to the terrible suffering endured by innocent greyhounds?[/p][/quote]Lets hope so...[/p][/quote]But it's already pretty much ended! I reckon this doesn't really hold much weight in terms of welfare since there's nothing going on in there anyway. But I guess it's nice to think so! Mary T.W.
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11:34pm Wed 9 May 12

Sam Hain says...

There's been a lot of talk about democracy in this thread but, to be honest, if much of the above is an accurate example of vox-pop I begin to wonder whether all the brave campaigners who sacrificed their lives to bring about, nurture and protect democracy might not have died in vain.
There's been a lot of talk about democracy in this thread but, to be honest, if much of the above is an accurate example of vox-pop I begin to wonder whether all the brave campaigners who sacrificed their lives to bring about, nurture and protect democracy might not have died in vain. Sam Hain
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11:34pm Wed 9 May 12

ferdy55 says...

Do you actually know anything about this matter? Do you even live in the borough or did the animal rights people invite you?

Get your facts right first. Its not "being closed". It closed in 2008. There wasnt "trashy unhealthy food outlets". The restaurants there had good menus & food like any good restaurant in any town.

As advised to the other animal lovers on here this is supposed to be a debate about putting a large housing estate in an area thats already highly populated.

You & the others, with nothing better to do, would be better off writing to the owners of Wimbledon, Romford && Crayford stadiums to stop dog racing as theyre the only ones left now.
Do you actually know anything about this matter? Do you even live in the borough or did the animal rights people invite you? Get your facts right first. Its not "being closed". It closed in 2008. There wasnt "trashy unhealthy food outlets". The restaurants there had good menus & food like any good restaurant in any town. As advised to the other animal lovers on here this is supposed to be a debate about putting a large housing estate in an area thats already highly populated. You & the others, with nothing better to do, would be better off writing to the owners of Wimbledon, Romford && Crayford stadiums to stop dog racing as theyre the only ones left now. ferdy55
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11:47pm Wed 9 May 12

ferdy55 says...

hooray7 wrote:
Hooray another disgusting track being closed. I don't know what the problem is. Seems simple to be: Cons of track closure = zero. Pros of track closure: thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less gambling, thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less trashy unhealthy food outlets, less alcohol consumed and violence due to that, more housing, Less dogs abused, killed and tortured, reduction in propaganda teaching our kids about all of the above. Oh and did I mention less dogs abused, killed and tortured in the disgusting entertainment known as dog racing! Hooray all round!
My post above was in answer to this, but the quote didnt work for some reason. :-(
[quote][p][bold]hooray7[/bold] wrote: Hooray another disgusting track being closed. I don't know what the problem is. Seems simple to be: Cons of track closure = zero. Pros of track closure: thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less gambling, thousands less dogs abused, killed and tortured, less trashy unhealthy food outlets, less alcohol consumed and violence due to that, more housing, Less dogs abused, killed and tortured, reduction in propaganda teaching our kids about all of the above. Oh and did I mention less dogs abused, killed and tortured in the disgusting entertainment known as dog racing! Hooray all round![/p][/quote]My post above was in answer to this, but the quote didnt work for some reason. :-( ferdy55
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12:04am Thu 10 May 12

Mary T.W. says...

I think the simple fact that this issue has prompted so much discussion should be merit enough for the local council to seriously reconsider their approach. Obviously there is a lack of housing in the borough, but this really doesn't seem like a fair trade-off in terms of the heritage of this community, nor does it seem like it will have any significant impact on animal welfare for those concerned.
I think the simple fact that this issue has prompted so much discussion should be merit enough for the local council to seriously reconsider their approach. Obviously there is a lack of housing in the borough, but this really doesn't seem like a fair trade-off in terms of the heritage of this community, nor does it seem like it will have any significant impact on animal welfare for those concerned. Mary T.W.
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12:07am Thu 10 May 12

Mary T.W. says...

(Since the closure of the establishment in 2008 as mentioned above, there obviously can't be any breaches of animal rights or what not going on any longer.)
(Since the closure of the establishment in 2008 as mentioned above, there obviously can't be any breaches of animal rights or what not going on any longer.) Mary T.W.
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1:39am Thu 10 May 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

We have updated our website and added our speeches.

You can view them here http://stowresidents

.btck.co.uk/Campaign

/AssociationSpeeches

givenat8thMayhearing



This hearing really was NOT about dog racing. We hope it helps people understand local issues that really matter to the residents

A big thank you to BT for sorting out the server problems so that we can once again update our pages.
We have updated our website and added our speeches. You can view them here http://stowresidents .btck.co.uk/Campaign /AssociationSpeeches givenat8thMayhearing This hearing really was NOT about dog racing. We hope it helps people understand local issues that really matter to the residents A big thank you to BT for sorting out the server problems so that we can once again update our pages. Stow Residents/Community Association
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2:44am Thu 10 May 12

DANHIGHAMSPARK says...

MayaGold wrote:
So you acquiesce there are actually several libraries then? As for walking to the cinema, well it's very dependent on where you are walking from isn't it? And where you are walking to... However if you leave from the dog track an under 10 minute drive (or around a 50 minute walk) will get you to the Woodford Odeon, where a 16 minute drive (or a 90 minute walk) will take you to the Stratford Picturehouse, Whilst if you leave from Forest Road going to Woodford should actually take less than 40 minutes to walk (or driving should be somewhere around ten minutes), and a 15 minute drive (or just over an hours walk) will take you to the Stratford Its not that hard is it?
taht is not the point , there used to be 2 cinemas in walthamstow now there are none.you actually recommend walking home from stratford you are just wrong and i bet you have never done the walk either.people are upset because all they see in this downtrodden borough is new house building and nothing else.FYI i have a rescued greyhound and she loves to run .that is what she enjoys doing as do countless other greyhounds if you actually bothered to watch a race.I have been many times to the greyhound rehoming kennels in Waltham abbey and i must say taht the condition ofand welfare of the greyhounds in there is excellent.I think a lot of the time you are talking out of your ****
[quote][p][bold]MayaGold[/bold] wrote: So you acquiesce there are actually several libraries then? As for walking to the cinema, well it's very dependent on where you are walking from isn't it? And where you are walking to... However if you leave from the dog track an under 10 minute drive (or around a 50 minute walk) will get you to the Woodford Odeon, where a 16 minute drive (or a 90 minute walk) will take you to the Stratford Picturehouse, Whilst if you leave from Forest Road going to Woodford should actually take less than 40 minutes to walk (or driving should be somewhere around ten minutes), and a 15 minute drive (or just over an hours walk) will take you to the Stratford Its not that hard is it?[/p][/quote]taht is not the point , there used to be 2 cinemas in walthamstow now there are none.you actually recommend walking home from stratford you are just wrong and i bet you have never done the walk either.people are upset because all they see in this downtrodden borough is new house building and nothing else.FYI i have a rescued greyhound and she loves to run .that is what she enjoys doing as do countless other greyhounds if you actually bothered to watch a race.I have been many times to the greyhound rehoming kennels in Waltham abbey and i must say taht the condition ofand welfare of the greyhounds in there is excellent.I think a lot of the time you are talking out of your **** DANHIGHAMSPARK
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5:04am Thu 10 May 12

mad-dog says...

Couple of people on here going on about animal rights totally irrelevant, Charles123 promoting wonderful social housing, total rubbish. I was mugged by a resident of the affordable/social housing almost 2 years ago at knife-point ( they are now doing 6 yrs). The last the very last thing the area needs is another greed-ghetto stifling our overcrowded infrastructure.

Loss of community, pride, jobs, our elected leaders taking bribes & greed is what this is about.

The stadium would diversify & host other events in addition to racing. If the council had sorted this complete mess out sooner they could have even used it for Olympics training etc instead of having to concrete over green areas on marshes etc.

Bottom line is residents & locals do not want a housing estate to replace stadium, FACT!
Couple of people on here going on about animal rights totally irrelevant, Charles123 promoting wonderful social housing, total rubbish. I was mugged by a resident of the affordable/social housing almost 2 years ago at knife-point ( they are now doing 6 yrs). The last the very last thing the area needs is another greed-ghetto stifling our overcrowded infrastructure. Loss of community, pride, jobs, our elected leaders taking bribes & greed is what this is about. The stadium would diversify & host other events in addition to racing. If the council had sorted this complete mess out sooner they could have even used it for Olympics training etc instead of having to concrete over green areas on marshes etc. Bottom line is residents & locals do not want a housing estate to replace stadium, FACT! mad-dog
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6:00am Thu 10 May 12

W F B says...

Girly grey and sue hunt, two bored schoolgirls..or should i say the mentality of two bored schoolgirls.
Girly grey and sue hunt, two bored schoolgirls..or should i say the mentality of two bored schoolgirls. W F B
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7:37am Thu 10 May 12

Girly Grey says...

vince earnshaw wrote:
Girly Grey wrote:
red37red wrote:
Girly Grey wrote:
red37red wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there!
You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.
hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing!
You haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Over 10.000 dogs every year go unaccounted for, last year 2304 PUPPIES yes PUPPIES culled because they wouldn't chase (bred purely for the racing industry), 7400 destroyed trackside beacause they sustained often minor treatable injuries, over 10,000 disappear annually - who knows where. Est 3400 are rehomed. Do the maths !! As for your experience at the track you were either blindfolded or injected/fed the same **** the dogs were and still are. This week a trainer has been prosecuted for a positive drugs test on one of his dogs (oxezepam, temazepam and amphetamine) And he was caught ! How many aren't ?What about the dogs that are given huge meals just before a race to slow them down (they often die of bloat) or Glucose rubbed on their gums to speed them up (they have rotten painful teeth) or forced to drink Caffeine drinks like Red Bull. Don't get me started on Greyhound Welfare - you haven't got a clue. Go back to the issue of housing and leave Welfare to the ones who a, know what they are talking about and b, give a flying ****.
where on earth do you invent your figures?? completely made up!your figures account for thousands more than are bred!! only 3500 rehomed?? funny the rgt home around 4500 alone,plus all the other rescues,plus the trainers!you worked at belle vue for 15 years and it took you that long to work out it was really really cruel?? all in all you talk rubbish so go back onto sdbv and chat with your pals about your silly numbers and leave these people to discuss a housing estate on their doorstep (the stadium closed in 2008 and its closure hasn't made any difference to greyhound numbers and its closure had nothing to do with anti racers) you can't see it from your house up north and i'm sure the people affected have heard enough bull from politicians without hearing more from the likes of you!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Vince, still spamming I see.
[quote][p][bold]vince earnshaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Girly Grey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red37red[/bold] wrote: lots of comments about greyhounds ears getting cut off etc this happens mostly in ireland! if this happen at the w/stow dogs i think rspca would know about it! and would you like a getto outside your place i don't think so ....drugs gangs and **** heads hanging about. if you want it move there![/p][/quote]You haven't the faintest idea about Greyhound Cruelty. Go to the FB pages of Shut Down Belle Vue & Greytexploitations. Look for stories such as Remember Rusty & Valentina. They were both cruelly murdered and had their ears hacked off, suffering terribly in in the UK !!! In fact Valentina was heavily pregnant. Do you think this was done in full view of the RSPCA ? Or in a Greyhound Stadium ? O course not. The industry that supplies, trains and then eventually discards these poor dogs without a second thought is responsible for these acts of cruelty. But if the Stadiums didn't exist it wouldn't happen. So get you facts right before you make unfounded and ignorant comments on blogs such as these. The fact that housing people in low cost high blocks causes anti social behaviour is actually endemic to the kind of society we live in. It's ALL OUR problems, we live in a world where people turn the other cheek. Kids having kids, parents who don't give a **** and would rather be watching Jeremy Kyle (or staring on it) economic and illegal immigrants who play the system. They are the problem and the dogs should not be made their scapegoat.[/p][/quote]hmmmm i worked there for 15yrs and know more then you! i never seen one dog being treated bad at the stow. if i did see any harm i would report it. i have myself to rescue greyhound that have the best that i can offer them. and if it was not for the hard working(volunteers) that rehome these beautiful dogs most would be put down. w/stow was one of the best that looked after there dogs...yes dogs do get hurt same as horse racing![/p][/quote]You haven't got the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Over 10.000 dogs every year go unaccounted for, last year 2304 PUPPIES yes PUPPIES culled because they wouldn't chase (bred purely for the racing industry), 7400 destroyed trackside beacause they sustained often minor treatable injuries, over 10,000 disappear annually - who knows where. Est 3400 are rehomed. Do the maths !! As for your experience at the track you were either blindfolded or injected/fed the same **** the dogs were and still are. This week a trainer has been prosecuted for a positive drugs test on one of his dogs (oxezepam, temazepam and amphetamine) And he was caught ! How many aren't ?What about the dogs that are given huge meals just before a race to slow them down (they often die of bloat) or Glucose rubbed on their gums to speed them up (they have rotten painful teeth) or forced to drink Caffeine drinks like Red Bull. Don't get me started on Greyhound Welfare - you haven't got a clue. Go back to the issue of housing and leave Welfare to the ones who a, know what they are talking about and b, give a flying ****.[/p][/quote]where on earth do you invent your figures?? completely made up!your figures account for thousands more than are bred!! only 3500 rehomed?? funny the rgt home around 4500 alone,plus all the other rescues,plus the trainers!you worked at belle vue for 15 years and it took you that long to work out it was really really cruel?? all in all you talk rubbish so go back onto sdbv and chat with your pals about your silly numbers and leave these people to discuss a housing estate on their doorstep (the stadium closed in 2008 and its closure hasn't made any difference to greyhound numbers and its closure had nothing to do with anti racers) you can't see it from your house up north and i'm sure the people affected have heard enough bull from politicians without hearing more from the likes of you!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Hi Vince, still spamming I see. Girly Grey
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7:39am Thu 10 May 12

Girly Grey says...

Oh Vince BTW you live in Manchester so why are you involved in this ?
Oh Vince BTW you live in Manchester so why are you involved in this ? Girly Grey
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7:48am Thu 10 May 12

Girly Grey says...

W F B wrote:
I'm sure my Korea reference was lost on her. (they eat dog's in north Korea by the thousands) go do your campaigning over there..
You and Red37Red are just ignorant bully boys. You look foolish as numerous people have now pointed out. The Admin have been asked to remove you from the blog as you are Spamming and not really entering into the debate. I am not going to justify my opinion again because you don't seem to listen or are too stupid to understand. So go crawl back under your stones where you belong you offensive cretin. I don't give a toss, just glad my campaigning stopped the reopening of the track :)
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: I'm sure my Korea reference was lost on her. (they eat dog's in north Korea by the thousands) go do your campaigning over there..[/p][/quote]You and Red37Red are just ignorant bully boys. You look foolish as numerous people have now pointed out. The Admin have been asked to remove you from the blog as you are Spamming and not really entering into the debate. I am not going to justify my opinion again because you don't seem to listen or are too stupid to understand. So go crawl back under your stones where you belong you offensive cretin. I don't give a toss, just glad my campaigning stopped the reopening of the track :) Girly Grey
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7:59am Thu 10 May 12

jen68 says...

Girly Grey - I think we've heard enough of your thoughts on dog racing - this is a debate about a completely different subject. Can we now stay "on topic" please?
Girly Grey - I think we've heard enough of your thoughts on dog racing - this is a debate about a completely different subject. Can we now stay "on topic" please? jen68
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8:33am Thu 10 May 12

Girly Grey says...

jen68 wrote:
Girly Grey - I think we've heard enough of your thoughts on dog racing - this is a debate about a completely different subject. Can we now stay "on topic" please?
If you read my original post Jen I sympathised with the people of Walthamstow on the subject of housing. I understand your reservations about increased housing. i was pleased that dog racing was not going to be reintroduced, because that really matters to me. I suggested lobbying the developers for more recreational facilities etc. But have been continually harrassed by the two above. They repeatedly go back to the racing subject and are abusive. I didn't start this so if you want to have a go try the two guys Spamming.
[quote][p][bold]jen68[/bold] wrote: Girly Grey - I think we've heard enough of your thoughts on dog racing - this is a debate about a completely different subject. Can we now stay "on topic" please?[/p][/quote]If you read my original post Jen I sympathised with the people of Walthamstow on the subject of housing. I understand your reservations about increased housing. i was pleased that dog racing was not going to be reintroduced, because that really matters to me. I suggested lobbying the developers for more recreational facilities etc. But have been continually harrassed by the two above. They repeatedly go back to the racing subject and are abusive. I didn't start this so if you want to have a go try the two guys Spamming. Girly Grey
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10:16am Thu 10 May 12

MayaGold says...

DANHIGHAMSPARK wrote:
MayaGold wrote:
So you acquiesce there are actually several libraries then? As for walking to the cinema, well it's very dependent on where you are walking from isn't it? And where you are walking to... However if you leave from the dog track an under 10 minute drive (or around a 50 minute walk) will get you to the Woodford Odeon, where a 16 minute drive (or a 90 minute walk) will take you to the Stratford Picturehouse, Whilst if you leave from Forest Road going to Woodford should actually take less than 40 minutes to walk (or driving should be somewhere around ten minutes), and a 15 minute drive (or just over an hours walk) will take you to the Stratford Its not that hard is it?
taht is not the point , there used to be 2 cinemas in walthamstow now there are none.you actually recommend walking home from stratford you are just wrong and i bet you have never done the walk either.people are upset because all they see in this downtrodden borough is new house building and nothing else.FYI i have a rescued greyhound and she loves to run .that is what she enjoys doing as do countless other greyhounds if you actually bothered to watch a race.I have been many times to the greyhound rehoming kennels in Waltham abbey and i must say taht the condition ofand welfare of the greyhounds in there is excellent.I think a lot of the time you are talking out of your ****
Would you like to know why those cinemas closed?

Because they weren't making any money.

Why would that be? - Not enough people were going!

Why is that? Well like i said, there are at least three within a twenty minute drive of Forest Road, and depending on where you live, these might be your cinema of choice. And if we're honest, most people don't go that often - is it really surprising they weren't making a profit?

You can only fit so many cinema's in any given area, and unless you went weekly to either of the two that closed - well you probably contributed to their demise.

As for the greyhounds, the race itself is not where the majority of the cruelty occurs - like with horse racing, the main problem is the institutionalised over-breeding, abuse and wanton disposal of live animals as if they are nothing more than property. There have been several articles in several newspapers about the overbreeding and slaughter of thoroughbreds - many of which are barely a year old - and if you think it is any different for greyhounds you are wearing blinkers.
[quote][p][bold]DANHIGHAMSPARK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MayaGold[/bold] wrote: So you acquiesce there are actually several libraries then? As for walking to the cinema, well it's very dependent on where you are walking from isn't it? And where you are walking to... However if you leave from the dog track an under 10 minute drive (or around a 50 minute walk) will get you to the Woodford Odeon, where a 16 minute drive (or a 90 minute walk) will take you to the Stratford Picturehouse, Whilst if you leave from Forest Road going to Woodford should actually take less than 40 minutes to walk (or driving should be somewhere around ten minutes), and a 15 minute drive (or just over an hours walk) will take you to the Stratford Its not that hard is it?[/p][/quote]taht is not the point , there used to be 2 cinemas in walthamstow now there are none.you actually recommend walking home from stratford you are just wrong and i bet you have never done the walk either.people are upset because all they see in this downtrodden borough is new house building and nothing else.FYI i have a rescued greyhound and she loves to run .that is what she enjoys doing as do countless other greyhounds if you actually bothered to watch a race.I have been many times to the greyhound rehoming kennels in Waltham abbey and i must say taht the condition ofand welfare of the greyhounds in there is excellent.I think a lot of the time you are talking out of your ****[/p][/quote]Would you like to know why those cinemas closed? Because they weren't making any money. Why would that be? - Not enough people were going! Why is that? Well like i said, there are at least three within a twenty minute drive of Forest Road, and depending on where you live, these might be your cinema of choice. And if we're honest, most people don't go that often - is it really surprising they weren't making a profit? You can only fit so many cinema's in any given area, and unless you went weekly to either of the two that closed - well you probably contributed to their demise. As for the greyhounds, the race itself is not where the majority of the cruelty occurs - like with horse racing, the main problem is the institutionalised over-breeding, abuse and wanton disposal of live animals as if they are nothing more than property. There have been several articles in several newspapers about the overbreeding and slaughter of thoroughbreds - many of which are barely a year old - and if you think it is any different for greyhounds you are wearing blinkers. MayaGold
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10:17am Thu 10 May 12

waltham says...

I REPEAT - The Chair of the plan.comm.
- THIS IS NOT about and has nothing to do with greyhound racing. This is an L&Q application!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So animal rights keep out ...
I REPEAT - The Chair of the plan.comm. - THIS IS NOT about and has nothing to do with greyhound racing. This is an L&Q application!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! So animal rights keep out ... waltham
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10:59am Thu 10 May 12

E4LGOD says...

here here!!!!
here here!!!! E4LGOD
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10:59am Thu 10 May 12

ferdy55 says...

Now the only problem is, is what sort of tenants are L&Q going to house in this complex?

When I worked for a building company that did repair work for them, they had some "lovely" people living in their houses! The state some of them make of their houses is disgusting just because they dont own them.

My company had to be there when people got evicted so we could change the locks & board up the windows.

Hope it doesnt end up like that. It'll be a case of I told you so!!
Now the only problem is, is what sort of tenants are L&Q going to house in this complex? When I worked for a building company that did repair work for them, they had some "lovely" people living in their houses! The state some of them make of their houses is disgusting just because they dont own them. My company had to be there when people got evicted so we could change the locks & board up the windows. Hope it doesnt end up like that. It'll be a case of I told you so!! ferdy55
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1:38pm Thu 10 May 12

MayaGold says...

ferdy55 wrote:
Now the only problem is, is what sort of tenants are L&Q going to house in this complex?

When I worked for a building company that did repair work for them, they had some "lovely" people living in their houses! The state some of them make of their houses is disgusting just because they dont own them.

My company had to be there when people got evicted so we could change the locks & board up the windows.

Hope it doesnt end up like that. It'll be a case of I told you so!!
It's lucky most the houses are for private sale then, as you are right people often don't treat rental houses that well -

However it is my experience that for the most part if someone has gone to the effort and cost of purchasing their own brand-new home they are unlikely to be turning into a den of iniquity any time soon.

I will agree that more housing means realistically more school places are required, but that is because of all the nice young families purchasing houses.

I think assuming everyone who moves in is going to be an alcoholic/gang member/prostitute/cr
ackhead is not only alarmist, but it is wholly unlikely considering the tiny proportion of cheap houses and rentals compared to the overall figures.
[quote][p][bold]ferdy55[/bold] wrote: Now the only problem is, is what sort of tenants are L&Q going to house in this complex? When I worked for a building company that did repair work for them, they had some "lovely" people living in their houses! The state some of them make of their houses is disgusting just because they dont own them. My company had to be there when people got evicted so we could change the locks & board up the windows. Hope it doesnt end up like that. It'll be a case of I told you so!![/p][/quote]It's lucky most the houses are for private sale then, as you are right people often don't treat rental houses that well - However it is my experience that for the most part if someone has gone to the effort and cost of purchasing their own brand-new home they are unlikely to be turning into a den of iniquity any time soon. I will agree that more housing means realistically more school places are required, but that is because of all the nice young families purchasing houses. I think assuming everyone who moves in is going to be an alcoholic/gang member/prostitute/cr ackhead is not only alarmist, but it is wholly unlikely considering the tiny proportion of cheap houses and rentals compared to the overall figures. MayaGold
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2:06pm Thu 10 May 12

Thunderbird4 says...

L&Q will charge higher rents for their new build appartments, (I suspect higher than a council rent), which will probably be filled with families on benefits; those benefits being paid by the taxpayer. It's a win/win situation for L&Q, while the environment and infrastructure suffer. Long live greed.
L&Q will charge higher rents for their new build appartments, (I suspect higher than a council rent), which will probably be filled with families on benefits; those benefits being paid by the taxpayer. It's a win/win situation for L&Q, while the environment and infrastructure suffer. Long live greed. Thunderbird4
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8:47pm Thu 10 May 12

howard0181 says...

I spoke against the planning application on Tuesday mainly on grounds of loss of leisure (the loss of the established greyhound stadium) and loss of jobs. Democracy failed on Tuesday evening because of three so called independent labour members supported by a labour chairman who stated on more than one occasion "this is nothing to do with greyhound racing". The Chairman was wrong because the established use is greyhound racing and there is reasonable prospect that the established use is
viable as evidenced by the Bob Morton bid.

Both M.P's support the return of dog racing because thats what the people are telling them. 94% of local residents support the return of greyhound racing. I was very impressed with the speakers for the local residents association (Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents Association). They spoke about the real problems which will happen if this ghetto/estate is built. There are so many poor aspects to the L & Q plan which the four labour members simply ignored.

Its a disgrace that the local council are trying to destroy the the number one asset they have.

500 sustainable jobs will be created by the return of greyhound racing and this will give a massive boost to the local economy.

What happened on Tuesday was a disgrace and was bad for Waltham Forest. The battle is not over. Please everybody take the time to write to the Mayor of London. Boris has given his support to the return oof greyhound racing to The Stow.

The battle continues!!!
Howard Berlin
I spoke against the planning application on Tuesday mainly on grounds of loss of leisure (the loss of the established greyhound stadium) and loss of jobs. Democracy failed on Tuesday evening because of three so called independent labour members supported by a labour chairman who stated on more than one occasion "this is nothing to do with greyhound racing". The Chairman was wrong because the established use is greyhound racing and there is reasonable prospect that the established use is viable as evidenced by the Bob Morton bid. Both M.P's support the return of dog racing because thats what the people are telling them. 94% of local residents support the return of greyhound racing. I was very impressed with the speakers for the local residents association (Walthamstow Stadium Area Residents Association). They spoke about the real problems which will happen if this ghetto/estate is built. There are so many poor aspects to the L & Q plan which the four labour members simply ignored. Its a disgrace that the local council are trying to destroy the the number one asset they have. 500 sustainable jobs will be created by the return of greyhound racing and this will give a massive boost to the local economy. What happened on Tuesday was a disgrace and was bad for Waltham Forest. The battle is not over. Please everybody take the time to write to the Mayor of London. Boris has given his support to the return oof greyhound racing to The Stow. The battle continues!!! Howard Berlin howard0181
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9:37pm Thu 10 May 12

Stow Residents/Community Association says...

@Howard

Thank you for your kind comments. Most of our speakers had never done this before.

There were many residents in the audience and we were pleased to have their support and for them to take the time and effort to see the proceedings themselves.
@Howard Thank you for your kind comments. Most of our speakers had never done this before. There were many residents in the audience and we were pleased to have their support and for them to take the time and effort to see the proceedings themselves. Stow Residents/Community Association
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11:16pm Thu 10 May 12

mdg20 says...

A valid issue which i think has been raised earlier is the whole gang culture that huge estates create in our borough. Beaumont, Priory court gangs are some of the most dangerous gangs in the country.
There was a gang related stabbing at the station tonight by local youths. Was this because they were brought up on so called "excesive drinking" and "excesive gambling" subjected to "dog cruelty" or was it that they have been brought up in a large ghetto like housing estate like the one proposed in a borough with rapidly declining or non existant means of entertainment
A valid issue which i think has been raised earlier is the whole gang culture that huge estates create in our borough. Beaumont, Priory court gangs are some of the most dangerous gangs in the country. There was a gang related stabbing at the station tonight by local youths. Was this because they were brought up on so called "excesive drinking" and "excesive gambling" subjected to "dog cruelty" or was it that they have been brought up in a large ghetto like housing estate like the one proposed in a borough with rapidly declining or non existant means of entertainment mdg20
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8:43am Fri 11 May 12

myopinioncounts says...

What a pity the remarks on this subject can't be 'rated' so those interested can choose to read only the comments that are rated as worthwhile. There are so many comments that are just a rant without any merit at all!
What a pity the remarks on this subject can't be 'rated' so those interested can choose to read only the comments that are rated as worthwhile. There are so many comments that are just a rant without any merit at all! myopinioncounts
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2:27pm Fri 11 May 12

EastEndLass says...

@MayaGold - the EMD did NOT close because it wasn't making any money...but that is not a debate about the greyhound track, non-representative councillors, L&Q's terrible plans, or how the hell our borough can cope with even more families!
@MayaGold - the EMD did NOT close because it wasn't making any money...but that is not a debate about the greyhound track, non-representative councillors, L&Q's terrible plans, or how the hell our borough can cope with even more families! EastEndLass
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3:30pm Fri 11 May 12

StevenD says...

Yet another 'modern' housing development which will be part of the slums of tomorrow. If we're demolishing all facilities for housing where are people going to go for nights out? As previously mentioned, we've lost the cinema, live music venue and now the dog track; there are no reasons for people to visit Walthamstow any more. As a resident, I am ashamed and very upset that what makes Walthamstow is now gone forever. These councillors will be remembered as the ones who tore the soul out of Walthamstow and I hope it hangs as a millstone around their necks for years to come.
Yet another 'modern' housing development which will be part of the slums of tomorrow. If we're demolishing all facilities for housing where are people going to go for nights out? As previously mentioned, we've lost the cinema, live music venue and now the dog track; there are no reasons for people to visit Walthamstow any more. As a resident, I am ashamed and very upset that what makes Walthamstow is now gone forever. These councillors will be remembered as the ones who tore the soul out of Walthamstow and I hope it hangs as a millstone around their necks for years to come. StevenD
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5:30pm Fri 11 May 12

W F B says...

@ SteveD, totally agree with you, take Omnibus Way,the the old bus depot, it's now a crime ridden cesspit's..we need more cesspit's in the borough like a hole in the head..
@ SteveD, totally agree with you, take Omnibus Way,the the old bus depot, it's now a crime ridden cesspit's..we need more cesspit's in the borough like a hole in the head.. W F B
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5:53pm Fri 11 May 12

W F B says...

@EastEndLass, spot on comment, I'm sure certain people on here are not even from walthamstow and that gets right up my nose..Maybe i'm old fashioned..
@EastEndLass, spot on comment, I'm sure certain people on here are not even from walthamstow and that gets right up my nose..Maybe i'm old fashioned.. W F B
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11:18pm Fri 11 May 12

Kestral1410 says...

Spent many a memorable birthday and good night out at both the track and Chan's (i miss that more). Glad i have now moved away from the area... 9
(there is always Harlow dogs if you get withdrawal symptoms! I think alot of the old eastenders are already out that way by now anyway). I can imagine that the residents around the old stadium will be relieved not to see drunk people staggering around in the early hours and people parking outside their houses. However I personally wouldn't want to buy a new property there if they paid me, due to the traffic/pollution and the fact that the schools/hospital can hardly cope as it is!
Spent many a memorable birthday and good night out at both the track and Chan's (i miss that more). Glad i have now moved away from the area... 9 (there is always Harlow dogs if you get withdrawal symptoms! I think alot of the old eastenders are already out that way by now anyway). I can imagine that the residents around the old stadium will be relieved not to see drunk people staggering around in the early hours and people parking outside their houses. However I personally wouldn't want to buy a new property there if they paid me, due to the traffic/pollution and the fact that the schools/hospital can hardly cope as it is! Kestral1410
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7:25am Sat 12 May 12

jen68 says...

Its not just the people of Walthamstow who will be effected - Chingford too as the site is in Chingford. I loved Charlie Chans and the dogs - best thing: it was walking distance for me. Now there is nothing!
Its not just the people of Walthamstow who will be effected - Chingford too as the site is in Chingford. I loved Charlie Chans and the dogs - best thing: it was walking distance for me. Now there is nothing! jen68
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4:24pm Sat 12 May 12

red37red says...

would the value of properties in rushcroft rd drop if they get the go ahead with the build!!

no way i would live there
would the value of properties in rushcroft rd drop if they get the go ahead with the build!! no way i would live there red37red
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6:10pm Sat 12 May 12

howard0181 says...

red37red

The value of the properties would likely fall although this is not a factor in objecting to a planning proposal. Lots of things anger me about the vote on Tuesday. One of the main things is how the speakers for the local residents were totally ignored by the four labour members who voted for the application. The two conservative members and the lib dem member spoke about the specific problems of the local residents and took this into account with there no vote.

Shame on the four labour members who voted yes to this ghetto/slum.

Howard
red37red The value of the properties would likely fall although this is not a factor in objecting to a planning proposal. Lots of things anger me about the vote on Tuesday. One of the main things is how the speakers for the local residents were totally ignored by the four labour members who voted for the application. The two conservative members and the lib dem member spoke about the specific problems of the local residents and took this into account with there no vote. Shame on the four labour members who voted yes to this ghetto/slum. Howard howard0181
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10:53pm Sat 12 May 12

W F B says...

Total disregard of what the majority of people wanted..well done councillors!
Total disregard of what the majority of people wanted..well done councillors! W F B
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