Shopkeepers in Leyton High Road say the Olympics has turned the area into a "ghost town" - while a temporary pop-up food market has been branded a disaster due to a lack of visitors.

Furious traders Adel Crouz, Peter Rose and Amit Gokani say the number of people walking past the temporary street market is very low.

Furious traders Adel Crouz, Peter Rose and Amit Gokani say the number of people walking past the temporary street market is very low.

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SHOPKEEPERS in Leyton say the Olympics has turned the area into a "ghost town" - while a temporary pop-up food market has been branded a disaster due to a lack of visitors.

Traders claim they were given estimates that hundreds of thousands of visitors would pour through the High Road on their way to the Olympic Park in Stratford during the two weeks of the Games.

But, like much of London, it seems the opposite has happened.

Amit Gokani, of Croydon, is one of dozens of furious traders who signed up to rent stalls at a temporary Olympic and Paralympic Games market in Marshall Road, where pitches cost £13,500 for 45 days.

He said: "I'm fuming. We've been completely sold up the river.

"I was sold this on the pledge that there would be around 33,000 people on Monday and the same on Tuesday. Instead I've seen about 150 people since Friday.

"I've spent £10,000 on food and equipment alone but in the last four days I've made £28.

"Many of us have had to take out loans, and beg, borrow and steal to get the money to pay for these stalls, but it's been a disaster."

Shamima Bung, of Blackwells Newsagent, was one of several traders to have their shopfronts painted and done-up by the council after it secured a £400,000 grant from Olympic organisers.

She said: "The shopfront looks very nice but to be honest it hasn't had any real impact on business.

"And now Leyton feels like a ghost town. There's no-one here.

"[Council leader] Cllr Chris Robbins promised us a lot but businesses are suffering."

Hasan Akbayrha, manager of Anatolia restaurant in the High Road, employed two extra staff to cope with the predicted influx of visitors.

He said: "It's so quiet. We spent quite a lot of money investing for all these visitors but even are normal customers are staying away.

"No-one can park around here because of the temporary parking restrictions."

A council spokeswoman said the authority was aware of reports that a lack of visitors was a London-wide problem and not unique to Leyton.

The management of the pop-up market was contracted out by the council to the North London Business group and Skateco UK Ltd.

Gary Ince, chief executive of North London Business, said: “It has been incredibly disappointing.

“We were expecting significant footfall but it hasn't happened – it seems all the visitors are being directed to get off at Stratford or West Ham, and not Leyton Tube station.”

He added that organisers were keeping a close on eye on visitor numbers in the coming days and were considering what to do next.

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1:50pm Wed 1 Aug 12

NT says...

I’m sorry for these traders, and I do wonder exactly what they were told when they signed their contracts.

On several occasions at the Leytonstone Community Council over the past few years, speakers from the floor raised anxieties about whether Leyton station would be able to cope with the Olympic crowds, and suggested that money should be spent on both improving the main stairs and extending the number of entrances.

On each occasion, the response from the podium was that such measures were unnecessary because Leyton was not going to be one of the main Olympic stations.
I’m sorry for these traders, and I do wonder exactly what they were told when they signed their contracts. On several occasions at the Leytonstone Community Council over the past few years, speakers from the floor raised anxieties about whether Leyton station would be able to cope with the Olympic crowds, and suggested that money should be spent on both improving the main stairs and extending the number of entrances. On each occasion, the response from the podium was that such measures were unnecessary because Leyton was not going to be one of the main Olympic stations. NT
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2:04pm Wed 1 Aug 12

LouabE10 says...

I really feel for these traders, but who decided to put the market there???
I trade at Spitalfields Market and know how important footfall is. When I first saw they were planning to put a market here I thought they must have been planning to direct tube users for the Olympics along this route because it is not a normal pedestrian route used by residents nor is it in the heart of Leyton which the council bumph says it is in the free LBWF paper. It is a car route used to get to the retail park, and markets of this kind rely on passing foot trade. It would have fared much better either in or near Coronation Gardens where people go for recreation and spend time.
True everywhere is very quiet, but the council has not helped these traders putting them in that position and marketing has been very very poor.
I can't believe how much they have been charged!! I really feel for them and would hope they do get some kind of refund, because they really have been mislead.
I really feel for these traders, but who decided to put the market there??? I trade at Spitalfields Market and know how important footfall is. When I first saw they were planning to put a market here I thought they must have been planning to direct tube users for the Olympics along this route because it is not a normal pedestrian route used by residents nor is it in the heart of Leyton which the council bumph says it is in the free LBWF paper. It is a car route used to get to the retail park, and markets of this kind rely on passing foot trade. It would have fared much better either in or near Coronation Gardens where people go for recreation and spend time. True everywhere is very quiet, but the council has not helped these traders putting them in that position and marketing has been very very poor. I can't believe how much they have been charged!! I really feel for them and would hope they do get some kind of refund, because they really have been mislead. LouabE10
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2:12pm Wed 1 Aug 12

mdj says...

HOW MUCH? How can this not be misrepresentation? Even if shopping-crazed hordes of Games visitors were to pour out of Leyton tube, they would never get to see this backwater.Passing drivers to the retail park - who would not be tourists in any case - would have no motive to walk back there.
Given all the other costs they've incurred, Olympic visitors are probably watching their pennies anyway.
The much humbler project of a permanent stall market on part of the Asda site would have potential, I feel. But £300 a day rent, for a stall in a remote corner of Leyton?
HOW MUCH? How can this not be misrepresentation? Even if shopping-crazed hordes of Games visitors were to pour out of Leyton tube, they would never get to see this backwater.Passing drivers to the retail park - who would not be tourists in any case - would have no motive to walk back there. Given all the other costs they've incurred, Olympic visitors are probably watching their pennies anyway. The much humbler project of a permanent stall market on part of the Asda site would have potential, I feel. But £300 a day rent, for a stall in a remote corner of Leyton? mdj
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4:46pm Wed 1 Aug 12

LouabE10 says...

mdj you're right, a permanent stall market on the retail site would add something to Leyton.
£300 rent a day is scandelous! In this climate traders at Spitalfields are finding it hard to make the £85 Sunday rent (it's £15 and £20 in the week) and it is a well known, well established market - and that is before the customer draining effect of the Olympics. But charging £300 a day for a pitch way off the beaten track is beyond belief and shows a complete lack of knowledge about what is needed to make a successful market.
For that type of money you would expect full online media PR campaign, website, FB page and twitter, postering, leaflets, starting weeks ahead, profiles on each participant and links to their websites..... I'm not sure who organised this market, but they really need to sort it out their market operating skills.
mdj you're right, a permanent stall market on the retail site would add something to Leyton. £300 rent a day is scandelous! In this climate traders at Spitalfields are finding it hard to make the £85 Sunday rent (it's £15 and £20 in the week) and it is a well known, well established market - and that is before the customer draining effect of the Olympics. But charging £300 a day for a pitch way off the beaten track is beyond belief and shows a complete lack of knowledge about what is needed to make a successful market. For that type of money you would expect full online media PR campaign, website, FB page and twitter, postering, leaflets, starting weeks ahead, profiles on each participant and links to their websites..... I'm not sure who organised this market, but they really need to sort it out their market operating skills. LouabE10
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5:38pm Wed 1 Aug 12

mdj says...

Update 4pm: they're all packing up; some very angry and upset people.They say that the Council isn't answering their calls.
An interesting sidelight is that Asda are running a large marquee at the corner of their car park nearest these people, selling snacks and drinks at 1996 prices. The area is quite busy with Games officials and helpers, but almost nobody you might identify as a 'punter'.
Around the corner in Brisbane Rd many dozens of Olympic staff are thronging in the street checking in and out, with no proper amenities, having coned off scarce local parking space.
Update 4pm: they're all packing up; some very angry and upset people.They say that the Council isn't answering their calls. An interesting sidelight is that Asda are running a large marquee at the corner of their car park nearest these people, selling snacks and drinks at 1996 prices. The area is quite busy with Games officials and helpers, but almost nobody you might identify as a 'punter'. Around the corner in Brisbane Rd many dozens of Olympic staff are thronging in the street checking in and out, with no proper amenities, having coned off scarce local parking space. mdj
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6:11pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Techno3 says...

I seem to recognise Gary Ince as the lone guy no-one had heard of who claimed to be a business expert at the Assembly Hall hearing over the dogtrack. He seemed then more like a tame council bureaucrat well out of touch with other business opinion than a credible business leader with a track record of success applying his own capital and acumen. Maybe that is unfair but apart from paper pushing and telling the council what it wants to hear I am not sure what his skillset and experience in running his own business actually is. Maybe he can enlighten us?

Seeing his name now connected with this fiasco is fascinating. On what possible evidential basis was he 'expecting' footfall. As others say above, the location was wrong, the costings and overheads were wrong, the target market and their access to the site was very uncertain and the efforts to promote the venture to that market seems to have been poor. In fact, there appears to have been no sensible business strategy here other than 'hoping for the best'. Not good enough.
I seem to recognise Gary Ince as the lone guy no-one had heard of who claimed to be a business expert at the Assembly Hall hearing over the dogtrack. He seemed then more like a tame council bureaucrat well out of touch with other business opinion than a credible business leader with a track record of success applying his own capital and acumen. Maybe that is unfair but apart from paper pushing and telling the council what it wants to hear I am not sure what his skillset and experience in running his own business actually is. Maybe he can enlighten us? Seeing his name now connected with this fiasco is fascinating. On what possible evidential basis was he 'expecting' footfall. As others say above, the location was wrong, the costings and overheads were wrong, the target market and their access to the site was very uncertain and the efforts to promote the venture to that market seems to have been poor. In fact, there appears to have been no sensible business strategy here other than 'hoping for the best'. Not good enough. Techno3
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6:40pm Wed 1 Aug 12

NT says...

And maybe the council can explain why it needed not one but two contractors to deliver this relatively small-scale project?
And maybe the council can explain why it needed not one but two contractors to deliver this relatively small-scale project? NT
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6:44pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Techno3 says...

NT wrote:
And maybe the council can explain why it needed not one but two contractors to deliver this relatively small-scale project?
And how much of our taxpayers' money was channelled into these organisations?
[quote][p][bold]NT[/bold] wrote: And maybe the council can explain why it needed not one but two contractors to deliver this relatively small-scale project?[/p][/quote]And how much of our taxpayers' money was channelled into these organisations? Techno3
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9:26pm Wed 1 Aug 12

mdj says...

The web tells us that: 'North London Business is the official agency for investor development within the North London area of Barnet, Enfield, Haringey and Waltham Forest, also providing inward investment services to Camden and Redbridge. Working with our partners in the private and public sectors we promote North London as an area that is open for business and encourage economic development of the area.'

So, it's a quango: does it speculate with taxpayers' money without risk to the speculators?
Mr Ince was previously CE of the Institute of Leadership and Management, which is part of the City + Guilds of London Institute, and runs management courses.

I think it's fair to conclude that Mr Ince has never mortgaged his house to fund the building of a better mousetrap of his own devising, or even run a pound-a-bowl stall.

One wonders what shin-kicking goes on behind the scenes at NLB, since a development by one borough may well be to the disadvantage of another?
I was once told by someone who claimed to know that when the Leyton Yard, where Asda now stands, was mooted for development, that top-rank tenants such as John Lewis were considered; that this was thwarted by various Waltham Forest Councillors whose day job was working for Newham, since it might provide unwelcome competition to Stratford. (This is long before Westfield)
Is this far-fetched? Can anyone comment?
The web tells us that: 'North London Business is the official agency for investor development within the North London area of Barnet, Enfield, Haringey and Waltham Forest, also providing inward investment services to Camden and Redbridge. Working with our partners in the private and public sectors we promote North London as an area that is open for business and encourage economic development of the area.' So, it's a quango: does it speculate with taxpayers' money without risk to the speculators? Mr Ince was previously CE of the Institute of Leadership and Management, which is part of the City + Guilds of London Institute, and runs management courses. I think it's fair to conclude that Mr Ince has never mortgaged his house to fund the building of a better mousetrap of his own devising, or even run a pound-a-bowl stall. One wonders what shin-kicking goes on behind the scenes at NLB, since a development by one borough may well be to the disadvantage of another? I was once told by someone who claimed to know that when the Leyton Yard, where Asda now stands, was mooted for development, that top-rank tenants such as John Lewis were considered; that this was thwarted by various Waltham Forest Councillors whose day job was working for Newham, since it might provide unwelcome competition to Stratford. (This is long before Westfield) Is this far-fetched? Can anyone comment? mdj
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9:58pm Wed 1 Aug 12

mdj says...

Don't you just love the internet?

'Skateco UK Ltd has operated premium-quality ice rinks in London during the winter months for the past three years. For the first two years it provided a showcase ice-skating facility at Canada Square in Canary Wharf and in its third year added another rink at the high-profile O2 Arena'

The secretary of Skateco is one... Gary Anthony Ince, who no doubt declared his interest and ensured that a fair and open tendering process was followed, before the public investment company of which he was Chief Exec handed a contract to a company of which he was secretary.
Don't you just love the internet? 'Skateco UK Ltd has operated premium-quality ice rinks in London during the winter months for the past three years. For the first two years it provided a showcase ice-skating facility at Canada Square in Canary Wharf and in its third year added another rink at the high-profile O2 Arena' The secretary of Skateco is one... Gary Anthony Ince, who no doubt declared his interest and ensured that a fair and open tendering process was followed, before the public investment company of which he was Chief Exec handed a contract to a company of which he was secretary. mdj
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11:40pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Techno3 says...

mdj wrote:
Don't you just love the internet?

'Skateco UK Ltd has operated premium-quality ice rinks in London during the winter months for the past three years. For the first two years it provided a showcase ice-skating facility at Canada Square in Canary Wharf and in its third year added another rink at the high-profile O2 Arena'

The secretary of Skateco is one... Gary Anthony Ince, who no doubt declared his interest and ensured that a fair and open tendering process was followed, before the public investment company of which he was Chief Exec handed a contract to a company of which he was secretary.
My, my. I wonder if Mr Ince can tell us if his firm supplied the embarrassingly pathetic little ice rink which the council placed on the Arcade site a couple of years ago to distract the public from their failure to develop the site. If so, how much taxpayer's money did he make out of the deal?
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: Don't you just love the internet? 'Skateco UK Ltd has operated premium-quality ice rinks in London during the winter months for the past three years. For the first two years it provided a showcase ice-skating facility at Canada Square in Canary Wharf and in its third year added another rink at the high-profile O2 Arena' The secretary of Skateco is one... Gary Anthony Ince, who no doubt declared his interest and ensured that a fair and open tendering process was followed, before the public investment company of which he was Chief Exec handed a contract to a company of which he was secretary.[/p][/quote]My, my. I wonder if Mr Ince can tell us if his firm supplied the embarrassingly pathetic little ice rink which the council placed on the Arcade site a couple of years ago to distract the public from their failure to develop the site. If so, how much taxpayer's money did he make out of the deal? Techno3
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12:17am Thu 2 Aug 12

mdj says...

.. and wasn't there one at Coronation Gardens recently? Doubtless no connection! But that's what FOI is for...
.. and wasn't there one at Coronation Gardens recently? Doubtless no connection! But that's what FOI is for... mdj
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12:47am Thu 2 Aug 12

Walthamster says...

Mdj says "a development by one borough may well be to the disadvantage of another?
I was once told by someone who claimed to know that when the Leyton Yard, where Asda now stands, was mooted for development, that top-rank tenants such as John Lewis were considered; that this was thwarted by various Waltham Forest Councillors whose day job was working for Newham, since it might provide unwelcome competition to Stratford. (This is long before Westfield)
Is this far-fetched? Can anyone comment?"

This rings a bell, mdj: Walthamstow also ended up getting a boring Asda, in the town centre, after we'd heard that M&S and Waitrose were interested in the site.
I wondered why Walthamstow town centre had gone downhill so badly. People used to come from other parts of London to shop here.
Mdj says "a development by one borough may well be to the disadvantage of another? I was once told by someone who claimed to know that when the Leyton Yard, where Asda now stands, was mooted for development, that top-rank tenants such as John Lewis were considered; that this was thwarted by various Waltham Forest Councillors whose day job was working for Newham, since it might provide unwelcome competition to Stratford. (This is long before Westfield) Is this far-fetched? Can anyone comment?" This rings a bell, mdj: Walthamstow also ended up getting a boring Asda, in the town centre, after we'd heard that M&S and Waitrose were interested in the site. I wondered why Walthamstow town centre had gone downhill so badly. People used to come from other parts of London to shop here. Walthamster
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8:35am Thu 2 Aug 12

NT says...

Mr Ince's many fans should know that he has also been involved in the E11 BID company, an outfit that apparently has trouble posting its accounts in timely fashion, and in 2009-10 made a wapping loss.
Mr Ince's many fans should know that he has also been involved in the E11 BID company, an outfit that apparently has trouble posting its accounts in timely fashion, and in 2009-10 made a wapping loss. NT
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9:03am Thu 2 Aug 12

NT says...

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10:09am Thu 2 Aug 12

Barnes79 says...

This is a disgrace; I feel so sorry for the traders on this stretch. I went down there the other day, interested to see what food was on sale and to get something for lunch. Most of the stalls had shut or were shutting down at 1pm. I couldn't believe where they had been positioned, like the trader at Spitalfields says above, this is a deserted stretch at the best of times, with no parking by the stalls for the cars that do come through! It would have been an absolute no-brainer to locate them in the area of Leyton Mills where there are vacant shops, right by the entrance. As for the shops on the High Road... it's disappointing and the Council should have planned better, but it is the usual suspects moaning. They got a completely free facelift, and all I've heard in the press is 'the council should do this, that' etc. Blackwell's... you could start by selling things that people actually want to buy. You can't expect to rely on others to make your business successful. Anatolia is a great restaurant, but all I've heard in the press from them is sniping - criticism where appropriate, yes, but balance it out. Some of the commenters on this page seem to almost be salivating at something not going according to plan - a love of self-defeatism.
This is a disgrace; I feel so sorry for the traders on this stretch. I went down there the other day, interested to see what food was on sale and to get something for lunch. Most of the stalls had shut or were shutting down at 1pm. I couldn't believe where they had been positioned, like the trader at Spitalfields says above, this is a deserted stretch at the best of times, with no parking by the stalls for the cars that do come through! It would have been an absolute no-brainer to locate them in the area of Leyton Mills where there are vacant shops, right by the entrance. As for the shops on the High Road... it's disappointing and the Council should have planned better, but it is the usual suspects moaning. They got a completely free facelift, and all I've heard in the press is 'the council should do this, that' etc. Blackwell's... you could start by selling things that people actually want to buy. You can't expect to rely on others to make your business successful. Anatolia is a great restaurant, but all I've heard in the press from them is sniping - criticism where appropriate, yes, but balance it out. Some of the commenters on this page seem to almost be salivating at something not going according to plan - a love of self-defeatism. Barnes79
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10:11am Thu 2 Aug 12

Barnes79 says...

Oh, and the whole of London is a ghost town, according to the press. Which is over-exaggerated, and when I walked up the High Road yesterday, it looked pretty busy to me, including at Anatolia! PS Anatolia, start serving alcohol again....
Oh, and the whole of London is a ghost town, according to the press. Which is over-exaggerated, and when I walked up the High Road yesterday, it looked pretty busy to me, including at Anatolia! PS Anatolia, start serving alcohol again.... Barnes79
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12:19pm Thu 2 Aug 12

HottRedMan says...

I really feel sorry for these gusy but have to laugh at waltham Forest council. They have been a complete overkill. Mainly with there stupid traffic restrictions. They even went and put parking restrictions around the roads near St. James Street station. From 10am - 11am and 3pm - 4pm. This is absurd. I guess it was the same what they wanted to do to Chingford, but people there saw sense. Its not as if the Chingford - Liverpool St line has saw droves of spectators using it.
In Redbridge they did not do any of this foolishness, and they have a direct line to the Olympic Park being at Stratford via the Central Line. The roads kept there standard 9:30am-10:30am to deter standard commuters. But even then after no extra cars, the streets are deserted. People would also be safer parking in Redbridge than Waltham Forest.
I am not suprised with the food stalls, its put in a place that nobody walks. They were better of locating them by Leyton station. I would be ripping my hair out if i were the traders.
The expected Olymppic doomsday hasnt occured and instead its a ghost town.
I really feel sorry for these gusy but have to laugh at waltham Forest council. They have been a complete overkill. Mainly with there stupid traffic restrictions. They even went and put parking restrictions around the roads near St. James Street station. From 10am - 11am and 3pm - 4pm. This is absurd. I guess it was the same what they wanted to do to Chingford, but people there saw sense. Its not as if the Chingford - Liverpool St line has saw droves of spectators using it. In Redbridge they did not do any of this foolishness, and they have a direct line to the Olympic Park being at Stratford via the Central Line. The roads kept there standard 9:30am-10:30am to deter standard commuters. But even then after no extra cars, the streets are deserted. People would also be safer parking in Redbridge than Waltham Forest. I am not suprised with the food stalls, its put in a place that nobody walks. They were better of locating them by Leyton station. I would be ripping my hair out if i were the traders. The expected Olymppic doomsday hasnt occured and instead its a ghost town. HottRedMan
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1:37pm Thu 2 Aug 12

VillageIdiot69 says...

What a disgrace, £300 a day for a stall in a place where there are no pedestrians at the best of times ! I'd have thought that a better place for the stalls would be by the Eton Manor Gate down Ruckholt Road ? I went to the Olympic site twice this week by that gate and they would have made a lot more money if they'd been placed near there.
What a disgrace, £300 a day for a stall in a place where there are no pedestrians at the best of times ! I'd have thought that a better place for the stalls would be by the Eton Manor Gate down Ruckholt Road ? I went to the Olympic site twice this week by that gate and they would have made a lot more money if they'd been placed near there. VillageIdiot69
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2:07pm Thu 2 Aug 12

Tom Thumb says...

mdj wrote:
Don't you just love the internet?

'Skateco UK Ltd has operated premium-quality ice rinks in London during the winter months for the past three years. For the first two years it provided a showcase ice-skating facility at Canada Square in Canary Wharf and in its third year added another rink at the high-profile O2 Arena'

The secretary of Skateco is one... Gary Anthony Ince, who no doubt declared his interest and ensured that a fair and open tendering process was followed, before the public investment company of which he was Chief Exec handed a contract to a company of which he was secretary.
Curious.

There was a planning notice attached to a lampost on the Arcade site some months ago saying that Skateco had applied for permission to stage entertainment and sell alcohol on the site during the time of the Olympics and Paralympics.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: Don't you just love the internet? 'Skateco UK Ltd has operated premium-quality ice rinks in London during the winter months for the past three years. For the first two years it provided a showcase ice-skating facility at Canada Square in Canary Wharf and in its third year added another rink at the high-profile O2 Arena' The secretary of Skateco is one... Gary Anthony Ince, who no doubt declared his interest and ensured that a fair and open tendering process was followed, before the public investment company of which he was Chief Exec handed a contract to a company of which he was secretary.[/p][/quote]Curious. There was a planning notice attached to a lampost on the Arcade site some months ago saying that Skateco had applied for permission to stage entertainment and sell alcohol on the site during the time of the Olympics and Paralympics. Tom Thumb
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12:25pm Fri 3 Aug 12

leyton_man says...

I just saw that Stratfield Westfield will be closing its doors for the next two days to anyone without an olympic ticket to help stop overcrowding.

Apparently sales are up four-fold.

Perhaps Westfield is successful as it is easy to get to from the tube, but perhaps customers don't want to go to a pop-up markets these days.

When you walk the roads of Leyton/Leytonstone/W
althamstow how many phone unlocking kiosks, fried chicken takeaways and pound shops do you need.

£300 for a pitch is however far too high, I imagine any money generated is falling into the big hole in the finances caused by the Big6.
I just saw that Stratfield Westfield will be closing its doors for the next two days to anyone without an olympic ticket to help stop overcrowding. Apparently sales are up four-fold. Perhaps Westfield is successful as it is easy to get to from the tube, but perhaps customers don't want to go to a pop-up markets these days. When you walk the roads of Leyton/Leytonstone/W althamstow how many phone unlocking kiosks, fried chicken takeaways and pound shops do you need. £300 for a pitch is however far too high, I imagine any money generated is falling into the big hole in the finances caused by the Big6. leyton_man
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5:16pm Fri 3 Aug 12

jef costello says...

Leyton_man: pop-ups do work. There's a pop-up pub in Leyton Library at the moment that's doing very well.

Similarly, the Lionheart Market at Leytonstone has been a great success. As always, the key is footfall. If I was one of these traders I'd be consulting m'learned friends (and reading comments on here - perhaps even Private Eye)
Leyton_man: pop-ups do work. There's a pop-up pub in Leyton Library at the moment that's doing very well. Similarly, the Lionheart Market at Leytonstone has been a great success. As always, the key is footfall. If I was one of these traders I'd be consulting m'learned friends (and reading comments on here - perhaps even Private Eye) jef costello
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6:55pm Fri 3 Aug 12

leyton_man says...

A pop up pub is one thing, look at the great turnaround in fortunes of The Red Lion in Leytonstone, but markets selling overpriced goods, ( to make up for the high rates) and shops that have there wares spilling onto the pavements are not going to cut it in this day and age.
A pop up pub is one thing, look at the great turnaround in fortunes of The Red Lion in Leytonstone, but markets selling overpriced goods, ( to make up for the high rates) and shops that have there wares spilling onto the pavements are not going to cut it in this day and age. leyton_man
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9:11pm Fri 3 Aug 12

Keester says...

What on earth has happened to all the foot traffic that was supposed to be piling down Ruckholt road from Leyton tube? A fortune has been spent upgrading the roads around the area and hardly anyone is using Leyton tube to access the park. Even the official maps you get with your tickets don't say anything about Leyton and the Eton manor gate. They suggest west ham station as an alternative to Sratford! (25 mins as opposed to 15 from Leyton!) it doesn't make sense! I do feel sorry for the traders but what were they thinking when they signed up? If a pitch in Spitlefields is £80 on a Sunday and that's a premium market how can this pop up market be £300!? There's a guy down there selling crisps and sweets. You'd need to sell a hell of a lot of crisps and sweets to even break even!
What on earth has happened to all the foot traffic that was supposed to be piling down Ruckholt road from Leyton tube? A fortune has been spent upgrading the roads around the area and hardly anyone is using Leyton tube to access the park. Even the official maps you get with your tickets don't say anything about Leyton and the Eton manor gate. They suggest west ham station as an alternative to Sratford! (25 mins as opposed to 15 from Leyton!) it doesn't make sense! I do feel sorry for the traders but what were they thinking when they signed up? If a pitch in Spitlefields is £80 on a Sunday and that's a premium market how can this pop up market be £300!? There's a guy down there selling crisps and sweets. You'd need to sell a hell of a lot of crisps and sweets to even break even! Keester
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8:34am Sat 4 Aug 12

muchbarking says...

The first I knew about these stalls was when I drove past yesterday - I haven't seen publicity for them anywhere. Some of the stall holders were interviewed for an article in the Jamaican Observer that I read last night and I could have cried...

I feel so sorry for these people - the least the council could do is give them a refund and a free pitch by the screen at the top of Walthamstow market where there may be at least some passing customers.

It sounds as if the plans for foot traffic in and out of the park were changed after these pitches were advertised and the stall holders just weren't told. That's criminal...
The first I knew about these stalls was when I drove past yesterday - I haven't seen publicity for them anywhere. Some of the stall holders were interviewed for an article in the Jamaican Observer that I read last night and I could have cried... I feel so sorry for these people - the least the council could do is give them a refund and a free pitch by the screen at the top of Walthamstow market where there may be at least some passing customers. It sounds as if the plans for foot traffic in and out of the park were changed after these pitches were advertised and the stall holders just weren't told. That's criminal... muchbarking
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11:11am Sat 4 Aug 12

mdj says...

'It sounds as if the plans..were changed ...and the stall holders just weren't told. That's criminal.'

So what word do we use when a Council official tells applicants to apply to a private company that he hasn't told them - over several months - he is a partner in? Is it normal in this borough for salaried officials based at the Town Hall to be running businesses in cahoots with their own employer? Were any interests declared, or tendering rules followed?
The hype in WFNews that describes this remote pitch as 'the heart of Leyton' also describes the council's relations with N London Business and SkateCo as 'innovative': I think we can agree with that! But is it part of a pattern?
'It sounds as if the plans..were changed ...and the stall holders just weren't told. That's criminal.' So what word do we use when a Council official tells applicants to apply to a private company that he hasn't told them - over several months - he is a partner in? Is it normal in this borough for salaried officials based at the Town Hall to be running businesses in cahoots with their own employer? Were any interests declared, or tendering rules followed? The hype in WFNews that describes this remote pitch as 'the heart of Leyton' also describes the council's relations with N London Business and SkateCo as 'innovative': I think we can agree with that! But is it part of a pattern? mdj
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10:30pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Walthamster says...

I agree - the council should refund the entire rent for these stalls.
I agree - the council should refund the entire rent for these stalls. Walthamster
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6:40pm Mon 6 Aug 12

bishbosh says...

what a rip off...investigate it somebody!!
what a rip off...investigate it somebody!! bishbosh
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12:04am Tue 7 Aug 12

leytonoldboy2 says...

It's all been said. Tragic. Those poor people - however are they going to recover from this, even if the rent were repaid?
It's all been said. Tragic. Those poor people - however are they going to recover from this, even if the rent were repaid? leytonoldboy2
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7:50pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Ferdy54 says...

I assume you good people may have already read this newer article about this?

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/wf
news/9859896.LEYTON_
_Olympic_food_market
__a_catastrophe_/
I assume you good people may have already read this newer article about this? http://www.guardian- series.co.uk/news/wf news/9859896.LEYTON_ _Olympic_food_market __a_catastrophe_/ Ferdy54
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9:24am Wed 8 Aug 12

Redfox says...

How interesting that nobody responding to this little bit of bother has drawn acceptance that the pavement route is BOTH a pedestrian and cyclist off-road one, has been so since Leyton Mills retail park opened and has been a safe route for cyclists. Again the cyclists' are being forgotten when they have legal right to be on the pavement and not obstructed by these tenants' vehicles!

Sad too that nobody (due to poor reporting in the paper - give us the Camden News Journal attitude please) has actuazlly reasoned WHY the council started the whole thing.

The actual waste of money spent on all the infrastructure to create walkways, paths & a new bridge over Dagenham Brook at the rear of Ive Farm sports ground - the failed 2012 campsite, had to be recouped somewhere, somehow. So what an ingenious plan to plonk a traders' tented market on Marshall Road verge.
As for the Ive Farm fiasco, check the Guardian stories and the photo opportunity with residents & local councillor Sullivan. How much about the waste of money did they all know about? The work started in late January and only ended in mid June. You can't tell me the local ward councillors, who also cover the retail park, knew absolutely nothing! Did they ever speak to the paper? Can't find anything. So who's covering that one up?
Oh and when you go down there to have a look at all this, go along Orient Way to the rear of the Bywater's skip yard. You'll see the council's preferred parking enforcement operators have opened a temporary car park in what was once the skip stacking plot. 'NCL' previously known as 'NCP', have struggled to find a single user on any day of the olympics so far. Tough on them, but where's the planning app for change of use?
Everyone should really get out more and walk the streets to 'see' what's going on in this location.
How interesting that nobody responding to this little bit of bother has drawn acceptance that the pavement route is BOTH a pedestrian and cyclist off-road one, has been so since Leyton Mills retail park opened and has been a safe route for cyclists. Again the cyclists' are being forgotten when they have legal right to be on the pavement and not obstructed by these tenants' vehicles! Sad too that nobody (due to poor reporting in the paper - give us the Camden News Journal attitude please) has actuazlly reasoned WHY the council started the whole thing. The actual waste of money spent on all the infrastructure to create walkways, paths & a new bridge over Dagenham Brook at the rear of Ive Farm sports ground - the failed 2012 campsite, had to be recouped somewhere, somehow. So what an ingenious plan to plonk a traders' tented market on Marshall Road verge. As for the Ive Farm fiasco, check the Guardian stories and the photo opportunity with residents & local councillor Sullivan. How much about the waste of money did they all know about? The work started in late January and only ended in mid June. You can't tell me the local ward councillors, who also cover the retail park, knew absolutely nothing! Did they ever speak to the paper? Can't find anything. So who's covering that one up? Oh and when you go down there to have a look at all this, go along Orient Way to the rear of the Bywater's skip yard. You'll see the council's preferred parking enforcement operators have opened a temporary car park in what was once the skip stacking plot. 'NCL' previously known as 'NCP', have struggled to find a single user on any day of the olympics so far. Tough on them, but where's the planning app for change of use? Everyone should really get out more and walk the streets to 'see' what's going on in this location. Redfox
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