Police make 20 arrests at English Defence League march and counter demonstration in Walthamstow

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Police take to the streets at the demonstration Police take to the streets at the demonstration

TWENTY people were arrested at the English Defence League (EDL) march and counter demonstration – with protestors on both sides taken into custody.


The far-right group had planned to march from Blackhorse Road underground station to the magistrates court for a rally on Saturday afternoon (September 1).

A large crowd of anti-EDL protestors, led by campaign group We Are Waltham Forest, staged their own procession up Hoe Street to Bell Corner – meaning the EDL march was forced to divert from its planned route.


Fighting broke out between demonstrators at the corner of Bromley Road, with smoke bombs, bottles and flower pots thrown.


Missiles were also thrown as the EDL headed back to Blackhorse Road station following their rally.


Met police have today (September 2) confirmed a total of 20 arrests were made – although this figure does not include arrests to prevent a breach of the peace that did not result in protestors being taken into custody.


Nine EDL supporters were arrested for alleged offences including possession of class A drugs, affray, discharging a firework, possession of an offensive weapon, breach of the peace and possession of class B drugs.


A further 11 arrests were made among the counter demonstrators for alleged offences including affray, possession of an offensive weapon and breach of the peace.


Waltham Forest Council had advised residents to stay away from the demonstrations, but police previously said they had no intelligence to suggest the march would be violent.


We Are Waltham Forest yesterday declared a victory over the far-right group on Twitter, writing: “We easily outnumbered the EDL today: thousands of us, not more than 200 EDL. Police have diverted their route after we blocked Forest Road.”


But one anti-EDL protestor accused the police of ‘kettling’ campaigners by using vans to pen the crowd in at Bell Corner.


Soomi Shah, 29, of Walthamstow, said: “We convened at Bell Corner, there were lots of us and it was a pretty great atmosphere.

“Then we got really heavily kettled by the police. We got out because we jumped over the railings.


“I’m Walthamstow born and raised. We are quite happy together here. The mix of people you see here at the protest is no different to what you see in school classrooms.


“We have to exercise some tolerance. What we are not happy about is that there seems to have been more of a platform for the EDL.


“We have come here to protect our town. We are not the invaders.”

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5:08pm Sun 2 Sep 12

name1 says...

The far left fascists and their media supporters are not welcome in Waltham Forest
The far left fascists and their media supporters are not welcome in Waltham Forest name1

5:46pm Sun 2 Sep 12

exedward says...

There were obviously thousands more people who took to the streets against the fascist English Defence League. It was the EDL who were bussed in, to try and spread their racist filth. We were cheered as we marched down Hoe Street, but they had to crawl down back streets. We are Waltham Forest, not the EDL.
There were obviously thousands more people who took to the streets against the fascist English Defence League. It was the EDL who were bussed in, to try and spread their racist filth. We were cheered as we marched down Hoe Street, but they had to crawl down back streets. We are Waltham Forest, not the EDL. exedward

5:47pm Sun 2 Sep 12

The Buck says...

Funny how you dont mention the MDLs attacks, what are you? Lilly livered?
Funny how you dont mention the MDLs attacks, what are you? Lilly livered? The Buck

5:56pm Sun 2 Sep 12

The Buck says...

https://www.youtube.
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https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=GOgV6Fvc 8wc&feature=player_e mbedded#! The Buck

7:10pm Sun 2 Sep 12

W F B says...

No **** footing around with pat!
No **** footing around with pat! W F B

7:51pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Lutonian says...

The EDL are not far right, but then they're no far wrong either. Islam is not compatible with Western style democracy, the two cannot coexist peacefully.
The EDL are not far right, but then they're no far wrong either. Islam is not compatible with Western style democracy, the two cannot coexist peacefully. Lutonian

8:38pm Sun 2 Sep 12

merlin70 says...

How come edl got to stow with drugs and fireworks and offensive weapons?
They attacked their own stewards despite being surrounded by Police.

The leadership left their non members to the wolves and were home in Luton long before everyone else.

All, or most, were from outside London, while they do have sympathisers here they clearly did not get involved.

If you belive the hype, they started the day with 500 and left with 200.....

I reckon 150-200 tops, along with those outside the demo and the leaders who made their own way, and had access to a pub, food and toilets.

The issue around choudhury and co needs work, I was on the demo last year and saw muslim youth arguing with mac. Very pleased to see it too. While the antis were holed up in the Goose, as is their want. none of them came from the area.

We should police ourselves and deal with the extremists.

I have written to the Council about leaflets given out, and haranged the Muslim giving them out, it is not difficult to do but if people feel by banding together they are stronger they miss the opportunity to directly challenge incorrect views.
How come edl got to stow with drugs and fireworks and offensive weapons? They attacked their own stewards despite being surrounded by Police. The leadership left their non members to the wolves and were home in Luton long before everyone else. All, or most, were from outside London, while they do have sympathisers here they clearly did not get involved. If you belive the hype, they started the day with 500 and left with 200..... I reckon 150-200 tops, along with those outside the demo and the leaders who made their own way, and had access to a pub, food and toilets. The issue around choudhury and co needs work, I was on the demo last year and saw muslim youth arguing with mac. Very pleased to see it too. While the antis were holed up in the Goose, as is their want. none of them came from the area. We should police ourselves and deal with the extremists. I have written to the Council about leaflets given out, and haranged the Muslim giving them out, it is not difficult to do but if people feel by banding together they are stronger they miss the opportunity to directly challenge incorrect views. merlin70

10:43pm Sun 2 Sep 12

W F B says...

@ merlin70, keep writing them letters..
@ merlin70, keep writing them letters.. W F B

11:07pm Sun 2 Sep 12

KWyatt-Lown says...

From The Guardian; 12:06pm Wednesday 29th August 2012 in News By Daniel Binns:

“POLICE have told the Guardian they have no intelligence to suggest that a controversial march by the far right English Defence League (EDL) this weekend will be violent or disrupt the community.”

It’s terribly tempting to just take the first nine words out of this quote. Thank goodness the thin blue line continues to rely on accurate information received.
From The Guardian; 12:06pm Wednesday 29th August 2012 in News By Daniel Binns: “POLICE have told the Guardian they have no intelligence to suggest that a controversial march by the far right English Defence League (EDL) this weekend will be violent or disrupt the community.” It’s terribly tempting to just take the first nine words out of this quote. Thank goodness the thin blue line continues to rely on accurate information received. KWyatt-Lown

3:50am Mon 3 Sep 12

jondeer says...

I used to be a member of SWP few years ago. I have no respect for the EDL
they just want to divide people.

But they are not as dangerous as the far left.

Afew years ago at marxism John Rees made the statement that we have to stand side by side with the muslim community because they offer us the best chance at revolution.

This is when people started to question why the swp and anti nazi league demonstrated for the rights of free speech for Abu Hamsa stating Abu Hamsa is fighting the same enemy namely western imperialism.

The left is playing a very serious game.

UAF now have a fascist vice chair {dont laugh im being serious}

http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/andrew
gilligan/100140248/k
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I used to be a member of SWP few years ago. I have no respect for the EDL they just want to divide people. But they are not as dangerous as the far left. Afew years ago at marxism John Rees made the statement that we have to stand side by side with the muslim community because they offer us the best chance at revolution. This is when people started to question why the swp and anti nazi league demonstrated for the rights of free speech for Abu Hamsa stating Abu Hamsa is fighting the same enemy namely western imperialism. The left is playing a very serious game. UAF now have a fascist vice chair {dont laugh im being serious} http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/andrew gilligan/100140248/k en-livingstones-anti -fascist-group-appoi nts-fascist-as-vice- chair/ jondeer

3:58am Mon 3 Sep 12

jondeer says...

Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair
By Andrew Gilligan



One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post.

As the Harry’s Place blog reports, Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.)


Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam.


” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum."


The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman.


Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub.

At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.)


Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric.

He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada.

He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism. On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.)


Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said:

“Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that.

” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter.
It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist.


And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone.

In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up?
Ken Livingstone's anti-fascist group appoints fascist as vice-chair By Andrew Gilligan One of this blog’s oldest friends, Azad Ali, has a great new post. As the Harry’s Place blog reports, Azad is the new vice-chair of Unite Against Fascism, the ostensibly anti-racist group (in fact more of a meal-ticket for the leadership of the Socialist Workers’ Party.) Azad is the community affairs co-ordinator of the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the East London Mosque and which is dedicated, in its own words, to changing the "very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed … from ignorance to Islam. ” Through “hisbah” (the enforcement of Islamic law) and “jihad,” it aims to create a “global” Islamic dictatorship, the caliphate, and its “primary work” in this "is in Europe, because it is this continent, despite all the furore about its achievements, which has a moral and spiritual vacuum." The IFE has already made some progress towards its goal, exercising strong influence over Tower Hamlets Council through its close ally, the elected mayor, Lutfur Rahman. Lutfur’s council has been busily engaged in enforcing Islamic law on, for instance, local strip clubs and a gay pub. At the last election Azad and the IFE also helped to deliver extraordinary and unprecedented swings in their East London heartland for their equally close friend, Ken Livingstone (Ken had given the East London Mosque more than £1 million of City Hall money to build the IFE a new headquarters, despite the strenuous objections of his officials.) Azad has written on his IFE blog of his “love” for Anwar al-Awlaki, the al-Qaeda cleric. He used to attend talks by Al-Qaeda’s main representative in the UK, Abu Qatada. He has described al-Qaeda as a "myth" and said that the Mumbai terrorist attacks were not terrorism. On his IFE blog, he advocated the killing of British troops in Iraq (he sued a newspaper for reporting this, and lost.) Filmed by an undercover reporter for my Channel 4 Dispatches on the IFE, Azad said: “Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, of course no-one agrees with that. ” His response to this exposure was to threaten our undercover reporter. It would, I think, be fair to describe Azad Ali as an Islamic fascist. And Azad’s immediate boss, UAF’s chair, is… Ken Livingstone. In this small world, isn’t it fascinating how the same names keep cropping up? jondeer

7:18am Mon 3 Sep 12

G Sladden says...

I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life.
The far left, on the other hand, worries me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!)
And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise and throw bottles and stones at them. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on!
I should be afraid of the EDL, but I am not. I watched a few hundreds of them marching down Forest Road and my impression is that they either are, or want to look like thugs. They are on the margins and I am not worried for a second that they will get the power to affect my life. The far left, on the other hand, worries me a lot, because their cultural and moral relativism and soft Marxism doctrines are currently the prevalent discourse in education, the media, local government, health and many other spheres or human activity. In other words, they have long won the cultural battle and, in many areas, the political battle as well. Walthamstow, inner London and many other metropolitan areas of the country have become the multicultural dream of the left: one in four babies born in England and Wales now, are children of women who were not born in the UK (the vast majority of them from the Asian subcontinent and Africa, despite the attempts to make you think that Poland and the EU are the to blame for uncontrolled immigration!) And what does the left do when a small group of angry individuals want to tell them that their multicultural dream sucks? Well, they mobilise and throw bottles and stones at them. Comrades, I salute you, the Stalinist spirits lives on! G Sladden

8:02am Mon 3 Sep 12

drysuitdiver says...

extremism of any form is not good.

discrimination means anybody treated differently to another.

choudary is as bad as the EDL who are as bad as the puppet group WAWF.
extremism of any form is not good. discrimination means anybody treated differently to another. choudary is as bad as the EDL who are as bad as the puppet group WAWF. drysuitdiver

8:26am Mon 3 Sep 12

SimonV says...

Saturday's anti-EDL rally and demonstration was a fantastic display of our local community uniting against the far right from outside the borough trying to intimidate minority communities. Thankfully most people ignored the council leader's advice not to attend the demo, preferring to show our mutual solidarity instead.
What is unbeleivable is how much the police have spent enforcing the 'right' of these racist thugs from outside of our area to march through the borough and attempt to intimidate locals. If the police weren't prepared to protect the EDL the demonstration would never have happened.
Saturday's anti-EDL rally and demonstration was a fantastic display of our local community uniting against the far right from outside the borough trying to intimidate minority communities. Thankfully most people ignored the council leader's advice not to attend the demo, preferring to show our mutual solidarity instead. What is unbeleivable is how much the police have spent enforcing the 'right' of these racist thugs from outside of our area to march through the borough and attempt to intimidate locals. If the police weren't prepared to protect the EDL the demonstration would never have happened. SimonV

4:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

wayne m says...

The UAF are nothing more than violent facist thugs that should be all locked up. What no one seems to be saying is if it wasn't for the UAF or antifa foaming at the mouth and attending every EDL demo then their would be NO violence. It would pass off peacefully. The MP who spoke on behalf of these vicious fascist thugs should also resign for condoning the actions of the UAF.
The UAF are nothing more than violent facist thugs that should be all locked up. What no one seems to be saying is if it wasn't for the UAF or antifa foaming at the mouth and attending every EDL demo then their would be NO violence. It would pass off peacefully. The MP who spoke on behalf of these vicious fascist thugs should also resign for condoning the actions of the UAF. wayne m

9:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

W F B says...

@ G Sladden says..Great comment and worryingly true..
@ G Sladden says..Great comment and worryingly true.. W F B

9:47am Tue 4 Sep 12

Sprocket says...

W F B wrote:
@ G Sladden says..Great comment and worryingly true..
That's it, we're not afraid of the EDL because they are not a serious threat. They fight with other thugs who go out looking for trouble, otherwise their march would be ignored. But the islamists do affect our lives, insulting women in the streets, demanding sharia law, covering their faces, threatening violence.
I saw UAF placards on Saturday likening the EDL leader to the Norwegian murderer Breivik. How many people in this country have been killed by the EDL? How many by islamists?
[quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: @ G Sladden says..Great comment and worryingly true..[/p][/quote]That's it, we're not afraid of the EDL because they are not a serious threat. They fight with other thugs who go out looking for trouble, otherwise their march would be ignored. But the islamists do affect our lives, insulting women in the streets, demanding sharia law, covering their faces, threatening violence. I saw UAF placards on Saturday likening the EDL leader to the Norwegian murderer Breivik. How many people in this country have been killed by the EDL? How many by islamists? Sprocket

10:02am Tue 4 Sep 12

jondeer says...

Sprocket wrote:
W F B wrote:
@ G Sladden says..Great comment and worryingly true..
That's it, we're not afraid of the EDL because they are not a serious threat. They fight with other thugs who go out looking for trouble, otherwise their march would be ignored. But the islamists do affect our lives, insulting women in the streets, demanding sharia law, covering their faces, threatening violence.
I saw UAF placards on Saturday likening the EDL leader to the Norwegian murderer Breivik. How many people in this country have been killed by the EDL? How many by islamists?
The EDL are a joke and do have neo nazi's in their ranks. But we must also look at common sense aswel. UAF are playing a very dangerous game having a Islamic extremist as vice chair. Name of Azard Ali .

Sharia law is one of the most fascist. ideologies in the world .

So makes you laugh when fascists are calling other people fascists.
[quote][p][bold]Sprocket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]W F B[/bold] wrote: @ G Sladden says..Great comment and worryingly true..[/p][/quote]That's it, we're not afraid of the EDL because they are not a serious threat. They fight with other thugs who go out looking for trouble, otherwise their march would be ignored. But the islamists do affect our lives, insulting women in the streets, demanding sharia law, covering their faces, threatening violence. I saw UAF placards on Saturday likening the EDL leader to the Norwegian murderer Breivik. How many people in this country have been killed by the EDL? How many by islamists?[/p][/quote]The EDL are a joke and do have neo nazi's in their ranks. But we must also look at common sense aswel. UAF are playing a very dangerous game having a Islamic extremist as vice chair. Name of Azard Ali . Sharia law is one of the most fascist. ideologies in the world . So makes you laugh when fascists are calling other people fascists. jondeer

10:05am Tue 4 Sep 12

jondeer says...

I was talking to a uaf guy the other day in town center .He kept saying EDL have known thugs in their ranks.


I mentioned that sharia law is more fascist than any right wing group and the next bomb to go off will be from muslims fighting for sharia law.

Buts lets not let common sense get in the way
I was talking to a uaf guy the other day in town center .He kept saying EDL have known thugs in their ranks. I mentioned that sharia law is more fascist than any right wing group and the next bomb to go off will be from muslims fighting for sharia law. Buts lets not let common sense get in the way jondeer

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