Epping pair use wheelie bins to stop crashes on icy road

East London and West Essex Guardian Series: Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond with the bins they used to warn motorists in Shaftesbury Road, Epping Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond with the bins they used to warn motorists in Shaftesbury Road, Epping

Quick-thinking neighbours used wheelie bins to stop cars turning down their treacherous road after it was covered by ice and snow.

After seeing eight cars crash in Shaftesbury Road, Epping, shortly after 3pm on Friday, Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers.

Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt.

“Four out of the eight cars that crashed in the space of 30 minutes mounted the pavements. School children and their parents were walking home and their safety was a big concern.

“Once the road was cleared and cars were able to drive back up, they removed the bins to allow moving cars to come through.

“I was very impressed with their initiative and the actions they took.”

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12:38pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted.

Why did they not just call and notify the Police.
Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted. Why did they not just call and notify the Police. Cornbeefur
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1:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted.

Why did they not just call and notify the Police.
Again just a load of nonsense from yourself to justify having a go at anyone who should dare do anything to help their fellow residents.

The Road Traffic Act is quite clear on these items.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted. Why did they not just call and notify the Police.[/p][/quote]Again just a load of nonsense from yourself to justify having a go at anyone who should dare do anything to help their fellow residents. The Road Traffic Act is quite clear on these items. Alan_1976
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1:25pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted.

Why did they not just call and notify the Police.
Again just a load of nonsense from yourself to justify having a go at anyone who should dare do anything to help their fellow residents.

The Road Traffic Act is quite clear on these items.
No it is not.

Where does it say put wheelie bins in the road to block access?
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted. Why did they not just call and notify the Police.[/p][/quote]Again just a load of nonsense from yourself to justify having a go at anyone who should dare do anything to help their fellow residents. The Road Traffic Act is quite clear on these items.[/p][/quote]No it is not. Where does it say put wheelie bins in the road to block access? Cornbeefur
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1:53pm Mon 21 Jan 13

hargwyne says...

I totally agree with Cornbeefforbrains. Obviously what this pair of jokers should have done when witnessing a clear and present danger to the safety of pedestrians and motorists was to ignore their common sense and independent thought and alert the proper authorities. I’m sure the authorities would have taken immediate action and been on the scene within a matter of weeks.

At the very least the impudent pair should have read the Road Traffic Act (1991) from cover to cover (personally I keep a copy by my bedside) in order to establish the legal position before daring to take independent action.
I certainly hope that the local constabulary will not be viewing this incident with cranberry tinted spectacles and that proper action will be taken.

As ever, we have Cornbeeffurbrains to thank for his wisdom and wise words.
I totally agree with Cornbeefforbrains. Obviously what this pair of jokers should have done when witnessing a clear and present danger to the safety of pedestrians and motorists was to ignore their common sense and independent thought and alert the proper authorities. I’m sure the authorities would have taken immediate action and been on the scene within a matter of weeks. At the very least the impudent pair should have read the Road Traffic Act (1991) from cover to cover (personally I keep a copy by my bedside) in order to establish the legal position before daring to take independent action. I certainly hope that the local constabulary will not be viewing this incident with cranberry tinted spectacles and that proper action will be taken. As ever, we have Cornbeeffurbrains to thank for his wisdom and wise words. hargwyne
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2:01pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Alan_1976 wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted.

Why did they not just call and notify the Police.
Again just a load of nonsense from yourself to justify having a go at anyone who should dare do anything to help their fellow residents.

The Road Traffic Act is quite clear on these items.
No it is not.

Where does it say put wheelie bins in the road to block access?
Where doesn't say that what they were doing is illegal?
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted. Why did they not just call and notify the Police.[/p][/quote]Again just a load of nonsense from yourself to justify having a go at anyone who should dare do anything to help their fellow residents. The Road Traffic Act is quite clear on these items.[/p][/quote]No it is not. Where does it say put wheelie bins in the road to block access?[/p][/quote]Where doesn't say that what they were doing is illegal? Alan_1976
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2:12pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Has the snow frozen your head cells?

I am not here to act as your researcher and you seem to pretend to know it all but I can tell you that common sense says that if you put wheelie bins with unknown items (maybe rubble) in the middle of the road it will be dangerous if a motorist does not see the unlit obstruction.

Lets say obstruction of the Highway for a start? Like when kids chuck things on a railway track. Same thing.
Has the snow frozen your head cells? I am not here to act as your researcher and you seem to pretend to know it all but I can tell you that common sense says that if you put wheelie bins with unknown items (maybe rubble) in the middle of the road it will be dangerous if a motorist does not see the unlit obstruction. Lets say obstruction of the Highway for a start? Like when kids chuck things on a railway track. Same thing. Cornbeefur
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2:17pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

If you don't actually understand or know the road traffic act then don't claim to as you do in the first comment.

Seems you would rather resort to childish insults instead of actually doing your own research. I don't need such assistance as I already know what it says. You however clearly don't.
If you don't actually understand or know the road traffic act then don't claim to as you do in the first comment. Seems you would rather resort to childish insults instead of actually doing your own research. I don't need such assistance as I already know what it says. You however clearly don't. Alan_1976
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2:28pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SXH says...

The Story clearly says.
Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers.

Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt.

By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.
The Story clearly says. Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers. Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt. By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's. SXH
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2:31pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SXH says...

P.S There is nothing in the Road Traffic Act that says this is an offence, it is community spirit that saved life's
P.S There is nothing in the Road Traffic Act that says this is an offence, it is community spirit that saved life's SXH
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2:32pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefhead's version of the railway children involves Jenny Agutter waiting on hold for an hour whilst the train careers into the landslide in the name of "common sense"
Cornbeefhead's version of the railway children involves Jenny Agutter waiting on hold for an hour whilst the train careers into the landslide in the name of "common sense" Alan_1976
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2:45pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

SXH wrote:
The Story clearly says.
Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers.

Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt.

By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.
Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow.

If they want to play 'Traffic Cops' they should join the Special Constabulary and get a Uniform or become a School Crossing Patrolman.

If any motorist failed to stop for them and their wheelie bins they would have been entitled to, as they are not prescribed signs within the Road Traffic Act regulations and the only person permitted to stop Traffic is a Police Officer in Uniform or a Lollipop Man.

Tufty never had wheelie Bins
[quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: The Story clearly says. Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers. Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt. By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.[/p][/quote]Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow. If they want to play 'Traffic Cops' they should join the Special Constabulary and get a Uniform or become a School Crossing Patrolman. If any motorist failed to stop for them and their wheelie bins they would have been entitled to, as they are not prescribed signs within the Road Traffic Act regulations and the only person permitted to stop Traffic is a Police Officer in Uniform or a Lollipop Man. Tufty never had wheelie Bins Cornbeefur
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2:46pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

hargwyne wrote:
I totally agree with Cornbeefforbrains. Obviously what this pair of jokers should have done when witnessing a clear and present danger to the safety of pedestrians and motorists was to ignore their common sense and independent thought and alert the proper authorities. I’m sure the authorities would have taken immediate action and been on the scene within a matter of weeks.

At the very least the impudent pair should have read the Road Traffic Act (1991) from cover to cover (personally I keep a copy by my bedside) in order to establish the legal position before daring to take independent action.
I certainly hope that the local constabulary will not be viewing this incident with cranberry tinted spectacles and that proper action will be taken.

As ever, we have Cornbeeffurbrains to thank for his wisdom and wise words.
Or just ring the Police.
[quote][p][bold]hargwyne[/bold] wrote: I totally agree with Cornbeefforbrains. Obviously what this pair of jokers should have done when witnessing a clear and present danger to the safety of pedestrians and motorists was to ignore their common sense and independent thought and alert the proper authorities. I’m sure the authorities would have taken immediate action and been on the scene within a matter of weeks. At the very least the impudent pair should have read the Road Traffic Act (1991) from cover to cover (personally I keep a copy by my bedside) in order to establish the legal position before daring to take independent action. I certainly hope that the local constabulary will not be viewing this incident with cranberry tinted spectacles and that proper action will be taken. As ever, we have Cornbeeffurbrains to thank for his wisdom and wise words.[/p][/quote]Or just ring the Police. Cornbeefur
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2:48pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
The Story clearly says.
Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers.

Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt.

By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.
Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow.

If they want to play 'Traffic Cops' they should join the Special Constabulary and get a Uniform or become a School Crossing Patrolman.

If any motorist failed to stop for them and their wheelie bins they would have been entitled to, as they are not prescribed signs within the Road Traffic Act regulations and the only person permitted to stop Traffic is a Police Officer in Uniform or a Lollipop Man.

Tufty never had wheelie Bins
You keep writing things from the Road Traffic Act and they still aren't true.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: The Story clearly says. Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers. Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt. By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.[/p][/quote]Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow. If they want to play 'Traffic Cops' they should join the Special Constabulary and get a Uniform or become a School Crossing Patrolman. If any motorist failed to stop for them and their wheelie bins they would have been entitled to, as they are not prescribed signs within the Road Traffic Act regulations and the only person permitted to stop Traffic is a Police Officer in Uniform or a Lollipop Man. Tufty never had wheelie Bins[/p][/quote]You keep writing things from the Road Traffic Act and they still aren't true. Alan_1976
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2:48pm Mon 21 Jan 13

word of mouth says...

Lets clear this mess up. They should of called the police who would of put a bright shiney sign up and possibly cones.
It is an offense to obstruct the highway punishable by a fine.
However it would be a daft copper to fine these folk who want to stand out in the snow to be photgraped by the local rag.
Lets clear this mess up. They should of called the police who would of put a bright shiney sign up and possibly cones. It is an offense to obstruct the highway punishable by a fine. However it would be a daft copper to fine these folk who want to stand out in the snow to be photgraped by the local rag. word of mouth
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2:56pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

word of mouth wrote:
Lets clear this mess up. They should of called the police who would of put a bright shiney sign up and possibly cones.
It is an offense to obstruct the highway punishable by a fine.
However it would be a daft copper to fine these folk who want to stand out in the snow to be photgraped by the local rag.
If we're going to clear it up lets clear it up correctly.

It is only an offence if there is no excuse for the action.
[quote][p][bold]word of mouth[/bold] wrote: Lets clear this mess up. They should of called the police who would of put a bright shiney sign up and possibly cones. It is an offense to obstruct the highway punishable by a fine. However it would be a daft copper to fine these folk who want to stand out in the snow to be photgraped by the local rag.[/p][/quote]If we're going to clear it up lets clear it up correctly. It is only an offence if there is no excuse for the action. Alan_1976
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3:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SXH says...

Alan_1976 wrote:
word of mouth wrote: Lets clear this mess up. They should of called the police who would of put a bright shiney sign up and possibly cones. It is an offense to obstruct the highway punishable by a fine. However it would be a daft copper to fine these folk who want to stand out in the snow to be photgraped by the local rag.
If we're going to clear it up lets clear it up correctly. It is only an offence if there is no excuse for the action.
That's correct, maybe the police were called, in the meantime residents took action.

There are parents involved here with kids that could have been hurt.
[quote][p][bold]Alan_1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]word of mouth[/bold] wrote: Lets clear this mess up. They should of called the police who would of put a bright shiney sign up and possibly cones. It is an offense to obstruct the highway punishable by a fine. However it would be a daft copper to fine these folk who want to stand out in the snow to be photgraped by the local rag.[/p][/quote]If we're going to clear it up lets clear it up correctly. It is only an offence if there is no excuse for the action.[/p][/quote]That's correct, maybe the police were called, in the meantime residents took action. There are parents involved here with kids that could have been hurt. SXH
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3:17pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SXH says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote: The Story clearly says. Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers. Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt. By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.
Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow. If they want to play 'Traffic Cops' they should join the Special Constabulary and get a Uniform or become a School Crossing Patrolman. If any motorist failed to stop for them and their wheelie bins they would have been entitled to, as they are not prescribed signs within the Road Traffic Act regulations and the only person permitted to stop Traffic is a Police Officer in Uniform or a Lollipop Man. Tufty never had wheelie Bins
Insults again
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: The Story clearly says. Michael Webber and Jessica Hammond positioned the three bins across the road to warn drivers. Their neighbour, Caroline Gordon, said: “They turned away at least six cars, preventing them from going down the hill where the road was blocked by cars and people, preventing what could have been a multi-car pile-up and people getting hurt. By the couple doing this, they prevented a further pile-up, and maybe life's.[/p][/quote]Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow. If they want to play 'Traffic Cops' they should join the Special Constabulary and get a Uniform or become a School Crossing Patrolman. If any motorist failed to stop for them and their wheelie bins they would have been entitled to, as they are not prescribed signs within the Road Traffic Act regulations and the only person permitted to stop Traffic is a Police Officer in Uniform or a Lollipop Man. Tufty never had wheelie Bins[/p][/quote]Insults again SXH
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3:44pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Helen, Walthamstow says...

Cornbeefur is forever telling other posters to "think outside the box".

Well these people did, and probably saved lives in the process.

He on the other hand is totally incapable of thinking outside any box marked "be negative", "insult the subjects of reports and other posters" or "put stupid and unnecessary remarks on stories that have nothing to do with cornbeefur".
Cornbeefur is forever telling other posters to "think outside the box". Well these people did, and probably saved lives in the process. He on the other hand is totally incapable of thinking outside any box marked "be negative", "insult the subjects of reports and other posters" or "put stupid and unnecessary remarks on stories that have nothing to do with cornbeefur". Helen, Walthamstow
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3:54pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'.

Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril.

Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives.

Busybodies.
Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'. Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril. Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives. Busybodies. Cornbeefur
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4:06pm Mon 21 Jan 13

AndyBSG says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted.

Why did they not just call and notify the Police.
Not sure where you got that information from and would be interested if you could post a verified link stating this because my understanding of the road traffic is in fact the complete opposite.

Setting up warnings to other motorists is in fact one of the 4 things you SHOULD do after a road accident and there is no legal requirement on what form that warning or signs should take other than that the speed of any vehicles along with the positioning of the warnings should be considered

"Consider the speed of vehicles when setting up the warning devices. They must be warned well ahead of time and it is better to err on the side of warning too early than warning too late"
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Placing items in the road to the danger of other motorists is an offence under the Road Traffic Act and had vehicles hit the unlit bin those responsible would may have been prosecuted. Why did they not just call and notify the Police.[/p][/quote]Not sure where you got that information from and would be interested if you could post a verified link stating this because my understanding of the road traffic is in fact the complete opposite. Setting up warnings to other motorists is in fact one of the 4 things you SHOULD do after a road accident and there is no legal requirement on what form that warning or signs should take other than that the speed of any vehicles along with the positioning of the warnings should be considered "Consider the speed of vehicles when setting up the warning devices. They must be warned well ahead of time and it is better to err on the side of warning too early than warning too late" AndyBSG
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4:10pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'.

Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril.

Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives.

Busybodies.
This road wasn't potentially dangerous. It was dangerous as evidenced by the crashed cars.

You don't even live here so you are hardly qualified to comment.

You don't understand the basics of the Road traffic Act so you are not qualified to comment.

If a vehicle isn't warned of an upcoming danger like say for instance a pile up of cars and a set of sheet ice then it will cause an accident and endanger lives.

By the way busybody is defined as "a meddling,prying or officious person". That pretty much sums up your position.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'. Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril. Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives. Busybodies.[/p][/quote]This road wasn't potentially dangerous. It was dangerous as evidenced by the crashed cars. You don't even live here so you are hardly qualified to comment. You don't understand the basics of the Road traffic Act so you are not qualified to comment. If a vehicle isn't warned of an upcoming danger like say for instance a pile up of cars and a set of sheet ice then it will cause an accident and endanger lives. By the way busybody is defined as "a meddling,prying or officious person". That pretty much sums up your position. Alan_1976
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4:38pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'.

Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril.

Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives.

Busybodies.
I neither know nor care what the Road Traffic Act says. These citizens took a sensible action to stop an emergency situation becoming worse.

Any vehicle would have had to be going at a hell of a lick to come to much harm with the wheelies which appear to be on a flat, straight bit of road.

To call these people busybodies is truly offensive.

Time for you to give up before you make an even bigger prat of yourself than you have done already. And before you launch into one of your pathetic bleats about people being offensive to you, you have earned it. The people in this report have not.
Some people think that their Wheelie Bin is for use other than what it is provided for and probably breaches Council By Laws when placing them in the Road as a Traffic Cone and no doubt many who advocate such use put their own one outside their house to stop people parking in 'their spot'.

Wheelie Bins are for domestic Rubbish not Traffic Cones or Beacons, are a hazard and dangerous when used as such in contravention of The Road Traffic Act.

Like a said, when did the Police or other Agency issue such advice?

Never would because of the dire consequences.

Shame that you have gone back to your old insulting manner.
[quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'. Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril. Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives. Busybodies.[/p][/quote]I neither know nor care what the Road Traffic Act says. These citizens took a sensible action to stop an emergency situation becoming worse. Any vehicle would have had to be going at a hell of a lick to come to much harm with the wheelies which appear to be on a flat, straight bit of road. To call these people busybodies is truly offensive. Time for you to give up before you make an even bigger prat of yourself than you have done already. And before you launch into one of your pathetic bleats about people being offensive to you, you have earned it. The people in this report have not.[/p][/quote]Some people think that their Wheelie Bin is for use other than what it is provided for and probably breaches Council By Laws when placing them in the Road as a Traffic Cone and no doubt many who advocate such use put their own one outside their house to stop people parking in 'their spot'. Wheelie Bins are for domestic Rubbish not Traffic Cones or Beacons, are a hazard and dangerous when used as such in contravention of The Road Traffic Act. Like a said, when did the Police or other Agency issue such advice? Never would because of the dire consequences. Shame that you have gone back to your old insulting manner. Cornbeefur
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4:44pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Helen, Walthamstow wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'.

Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril.

Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives.

Busybodies.
I neither know nor care what the Road Traffic Act says. These citizens took a sensible action to stop an emergency situation becoming worse.

Any vehicle would have had to be going at a hell of a lick to come to much harm with the wheelies which appear to be on a flat, straight bit of road.

To call these people busybodies is truly offensive.

Time for you to give up before you make an even bigger prat of yourself than you have done already. And before you launch into one of your pathetic bleats about people being offensive to you, you have earned it. The people in this report have not.
Some people think that their Wheelie Bin is for use other than what it is provided for and probably breaches Council By Laws when placing them in the Road as a Traffic Cone and no doubt many who advocate such use put their own one outside their house to stop people parking in 'their spot'.

Wheelie Bins are for domestic Rubbish not Traffic Cones or Beacons, are a hazard and dangerous when used as such in contravention of The Road Traffic Act.

Like a said, when did the Police or other Agency issue such advice?

Never would because of the dire consequences.

Shame that you have gone back to your old insulting manner.
You keep mentioning the Road Traffic Act. You obviously still haven't read it. If you had you wouldn't keep erroneously referring to it.

When you're going to start harping about insulting best not to do it in a thread when you have already been engaging in it.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Helen, Walthamstow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: Practically every residential street in the Country, affected by the snow was dangerous potentially, from vehicular traffic but there was no Government Advice or from the Police or from that skinny bloke from the RAC to 'put out your Wheelie Bins to stop traffic from having accidents'. Anyone unilateraly acting in this way does so at their own Peril. Helen does not even drive I recall her once saying, so he is hardly qualified to comment, but I say say this, if a vehicle hits three Wheelie Bins which are laden, that sure will cause an accident and endanger lives. Busybodies.[/p][/quote]I neither know nor care what the Road Traffic Act says. These citizens took a sensible action to stop an emergency situation becoming worse. Any vehicle would have had to be going at a hell of a lick to come to much harm with the wheelies which appear to be on a flat, straight bit of road. To call these people busybodies is truly offensive. Time for you to give up before you make an even bigger prat of yourself than you have done already. And before you launch into one of your pathetic bleats about people being offensive to you, you have earned it. The people in this report have not.[/p][/quote]Some people think that their Wheelie Bin is for use other than what it is provided for and probably breaches Council By Laws when placing them in the Road as a Traffic Cone and no doubt many who advocate such use put their own one outside their house to stop people parking in 'their spot'. Wheelie Bins are for domestic Rubbish not Traffic Cones or Beacons, are a hazard and dangerous when used as such in contravention of The Road Traffic Act. Like a said, when did the Police or other Agency issue such advice? Never would because of the dire consequences. Shame that you have gone back to your old insulting manner.[/p][/quote]You keep mentioning the Road Traffic Act. You obviously still haven't read it. If you had you wouldn't keep erroneously referring to it. When you're going to start harping about insulting best not to do it in a thread when you have already been engaging in it. Alan_1976
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5:01pm Mon 21 Jan 13

SXH says...

Cornbeedur says
Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow.

By the way i am female
Cornbeedur says Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow. By the way i am female SXH
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5:03pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Im_with_Stupid says...

Why is anyone even entertaining this fools drivel?

Cornbeefur - you are talking absolute nonsense. You are the busy-body.

Credit to the thoughtful individuals who used an ounce of common sense when they took the action to prevent further accidents – Pity you didn’t before posting your inane rubbish.
Why is anyone even entertaining this fools drivel? Cornbeefur - you are talking absolute nonsense. You are the busy-body. Credit to the thoughtful individuals who used an ounce of common sense when they took the action to prevent further accidents – Pity you didn’t before posting your inane rubbish. Im_with_Stupid
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5:17pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

Im_with_Stupid wrote:
Why is anyone even entertaining this fools drivel?

Cornbeefur - you are talking absolute nonsense. You are the busy-body.

Credit to the thoughtful individuals who used an ounce of common sense when they took the action to prevent further accidents – Pity you didn’t before posting your inane rubbish.
The Road to Disaster is paved with Good Intentions.
[quote][p][bold]Im_with_Stupid[/bold] wrote: Why is anyone even entertaining this fools drivel? Cornbeefur - you are talking absolute nonsense. You are the busy-body. Credit to the thoughtful individuals who used an ounce of common sense when they took the action to prevent further accidents – Pity you didn’t before posting your inane rubbish.[/p][/quote]The Road to Disaster is paved with Good Intentions. Cornbeefur
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5:21pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Im_with_Stupid says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Im_with_Stupid wrote:
Why is anyone even entertaining this fools drivel?

Cornbeefur - you are talking absolute nonsense. You are the busy-body.

Credit to the thoughtful individuals who used an ounce of common sense when they took the action to prevent further accidents – Pity you didn’t before posting your inane rubbish.
The Road to Disaster is paved with Good Intentions.
I see what you have done there...

So, you suggest that they left the road for the six cars (turned away) to slide down the road and crash into other vehicles and/or people?

Got anymore bright ideas?
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Im_with_Stupid[/bold] wrote: Why is anyone even entertaining this fools drivel? Cornbeefur - you are talking absolute nonsense. You are the busy-body. Credit to the thoughtful individuals who used an ounce of common sense when they took the action to prevent further accidents – Pity you didn’t before posting your inane rubbish.[/p][/quote]The Road to Disaster is paved with Good Intentions.[/p][/quote]I see what you have done there... So, you suggest that they left the road for the six cars (turned away) to slide down the road and crash into other vehicles and/or people? Got anymore bright ideas? Im_with_Stupid
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5:29pm Mon 21 Jan 13

barbus44 says...

I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.
I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter. barbus44
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5:39pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

barbus44 wrote:
I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.
Thankfully the legal nature of obstructing the highway has long since been tested in the courts.

E.g. http://www.nicholash
ancox.co.uk/highway_
obstruction.htm

The relevant section is 137

"If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence"

As per the article the question comes down to obstruction of free passage. The purpose of the section is to prevent people from creating illegal roadblocks for malicious purposes. Reasonable blocking such as to warn vehicles of dangers ahead are completely within the law and indeed as proven by the courts the intent of the Act.
[quote][p][bold]barbus44[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.[/p][/quote]Thankfully the legal nature of obstructing the highway has long since been tested in the courts. E.g. http://www.nicholash ancox.co.uk/highway_ obstruction.htm The relevant section is 137 "If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence" As per the article the question comes down to obstruction of free passage. The purpose of the section is to prevent people from creating illegal roadblocks for malicious purposes. Reasonable blocking such as to warn vehicles of dangers ahead are completely within the law and indeed as proven by the courts the intent of the Act. Alan_1976
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8:18pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Cornbeefur says...

barbus44 wrote:
I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.
Why was you thrown out of Traffic Branch then? Please tell.

I have a Degree in Law and know the Road Traffic Act backwards.

Just because you were incapable of digesting the Law for which Taxpayers paid you a huge wage to enforce, does not mean you should assume that others do not.

Were you one of those Officers that spent most of his shift in the local cafe feeding the waistline?

This is the problem with the Police these days,a lot of Officers do not know what they are talking about despite intensive training and they wonder why they get a bad press.

They conspire against a Member of Parliament, and their Supervisers turn a blind eye when the junior ranks produce tee Shirts and Badges to fuel the 'Plebagate' matter and behave worse than Yobs at a Football match.

The Metropolitan Police Have had their previous two Commissioners leave prematurely and the current one, despite the fanfares seems to be just as bad.

Bring on the reforms of the Police (lack of) Service.
[quote][p][bold]barbus44[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.[/p][/quote]Why was you thrown out of Traffic Branch then? Please tell. I have a Degree in Law and know the Road Traffic Act backwards. Just because you were incapable of digesting the Law for which Taxpayers paid you a huge wage to enforce, does not mean you should assume that others do not. Were you one of those Officers that spent most of his shift in the local cafe feeding the waistline? This is the problem with the Police these days,a lot of Officers do not know what they are talking about despite intensive training and they wonder why they get a bad press. They conspire against a Member of Parliament, and their Supervisers turn a blind eye when the junior ranks produce tee Shirts and Badges to fuel the 'Plebagate' matter and behave worse than Yobs at a Football match. The Metropolitan Police Have had their previous two Commissioners leave prematurely and the current one, despite the fanfares seems to be just as bad. Bring on the reforms of the Police (lack of) Service. Cornbeefur
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8:22pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Alan_1976 says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
barbus44 wrote:
I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.
Why was you thrown out of Traffic Branch then? Please tell.

I have a Degree in Law and know the Road Traffic Act backwards.

Just because you were incapable of digesting the Law for which Taxpayers paid you a huge wage to enforce, does not mean you should assume that others do not.

Were you one of those Officers that spent most of his shift in the local cafe feeding the waistline?

This is the problem with the Police these days,a lot of Officers do not know what they are talking about despite intensive training and they wonder why they get a bad press.

They conspire against a Member of Parliament, and their Supervisers turn a blind eye when the junior ranks produce tee Shirts and Badges to fuel the 'Plebagate' matter and behave worse than Yobs at a Football match.

The Metropolitan Police Have had their previous two Commissioners leave prematurely and the current one, despite the fanfares seems to be just as bad.

Bring on the reforms of the Police (lack of) Service.
You certainly know the RTA backwards. Forwards not so well as proven by your comments.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barbus44[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of the above posters have actually seen a copy of the Road Traffic Act, let alone read it. For my sins I was for 15 years a member of the Met (traffic) and, yes I HAVE seen and partially read portions of the RTA. When I last looked at it it comprised of 2 very large volumes approx 4" thick. It would take the average reader at least a couple of weeks to read it and many many years to understand the Act with all its revisions and amendments. Unlike Cornbeefer, despite my professional experience I still wouldn't pretend to be an expert on the matter.[/p][/quote]Why was you thrown out of Traffic Branch then? Please tell. I have a Degree in Law and know the Road Traffic Act backwards. Just because you were incapable of digesting the Law for which Taxpayers paid you a huge wage to enforce, does not mean you should assume that others do not. Were you one of those Officers that spent most of his shift in the local cafe feeding the waistline? This is the problem with the Police these days,a lot of Officers do not know what they are talking about despite intensive training and they wonder why they get a bad press. They conspire against a Member of Parliament, and their Supervisers turn a blind eye when the junior ranks produce tee Shirts and Badges to fuel the 'Plebagate' matter and behave worse than Yobs at a Football match. The Metropolitan Police Have had their previous two Commissioners leave prematurely and the current one, despite the fanfares seems to be just as bad. Bring on the reforms of the Police (lack of) Service.[/p][/quote]You certainly know the RTA backwards. Forwards not so well as proven by your comments. Alan_1976
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9:06pm Mon 21 Jan 13

fgdfsdf says...

I do have to say Cornbeerfer is hugely entertaining! Puts me in mind of Reginald Perrin - The story of a middle-aged middle manager, who is driven to bizarre behaviour by the pointlessness of his job at Sunshine Desserts. But I have a feeling Reggie Perrin's english and grammar would have been to a higher standard than that of our resident law degree holding know-it-all.
I do have to say Cornbeerfer is hugely entertaining! Puts me in mind of Reginald Perrin - The story of a middle-aged middle manager, who is driven to bizarre behaviour by the pointlessness of his job at Sunshine Desserts. But I have a feeling Reggie Perrin's english and grammar would have been to a higher standard than that of our resident law degree holding know-it-all. fgdfsdf
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9:14pm Mon 21 Jan 13

fgdfsdf says...

And for the record Shaftsbury Road is located in an extremely hilly part of Epping. The residents are to be applauded for their quick thinking and good deed. I live on a hill in Epping and had a commuters car slide into mine this morning after he had parked and left for the station. People that live in such roads know what happens when it snows and becomes icy, they are the ones that see such accidents year after year and know that the council does not grit such treacherous side roads. It is because of their quck thinking that police resources were free to deal with other unfortunates today that were involved in accidents.
And for the record Shaftsbury Road is located in an extremely hilly part of Epping. The residents are to be applauded for their quick thinking and good deed. I live on a hill in Epping and had a commuters car slide into mine this morning after he had parked and left for the station. People that live in such roads know what happens when it snows and becomes icy, they are the ones that see such accidents year after year and know that the council does not grit such treacherous side roads. It is because of their quck thinking that police resources were free to deal with other unfortunates today that were involved in accidents. fgdfsdf
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9:17pm Mon 21 Jan 13

ruby newbie says...

wow man..........all the bickering above has blew me away......has anyone thanked them, i do, for making just a little bit of difference to my future insurance premiums.........x
wow man..........all the bickering above has blew me away......has anyone thanked them, i do, for making just a little bit of difference to my future insurance premiums.........x ruby newbie
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8:46am Tue 22 Jan 13

Miss Magoo says...

Thank you to Michael and Jessica for being incredibly neighbourly and helping out the way they did. Who knows what could have happened if they simply stood by and did nothing.

As for the comment of the bins being a hazard that could be driven in to - well if you can't see three large black bins and two people in the middle of a big white expanse of street, then you shouldn't be driving at all.
Thank you to Michael and Jessica for being incredibly neighbourly and helping out the way they did. Who knows what could have happened if they simply stood by and did nothing. As for the comment of the bins being a hazard that could be driven in to - well if you can't see three large black bins and two people in the middle of a big white expanse of street, then you shouldn't be driving at all. Miss Magoo
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9:15am Tue 22 Jan 13

Isaythat says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
SXH wrote:
Cornbeedur says
Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow.

By the way i am female
Does not surprise me, it figures.
err, that IS sexist and offensive. I doubt this newspaper will support you in your comment. Let us see !

I am amazed that the troll can change a good deed into a criminal offence and throw in a dig at the police for good measure. Then again, no I am not!!
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SXH[/bold] wrote: Cornbeedur says Nice to see Nodder popping his head out the snow. By the way i am female[/p][/quote]Does not surprise me, it figures.[/p][/quote]err, that IS sexist and offensive. I doubt this newspaper will support you in your comment. Let us see ! I am amazed that the troll can change a good deed into a criminal offence and throw in a dig at the police for good measure. Then again, no I am not!! Isaythat
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