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EPPING: Mass brawl in High Street

3:05pm Saturday 26th September 2009 in


TWO men are in a serious condition in hospital after a mass brawl broke out in Epping High Street in the early hours of this morning.

A total of eight men were initially rushed to hospital following the incident, which happened outside the 195 Club at around 2.25am.

Police are still at the scene this lunch time carrying out forensic work.

Officers have arrested a 46-year-old man from Harlow on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm, but stress their investigation is still on-going.

A police spokesman said those injured were aged in their early and mid 20s, and were from the East London area.

Six of the men injured were released from hospital earlier this morning.

Were you in Epping High Street last night? Did you see what happened? Contact reporter Daniel Binns via email at dbinns@london.newsquest.co.uk or call 0779 547 6625.

Comments(56)

chingford20 says...
4:09pm Sat 26 Sep 09

what an absolute joke. people i know were hurt . what is this world coming to. no mention that a van randomly pulled up and loads of men jumped out with knives and screwdrivers etc.....god knows what is wrong with them idiots, cant do0 nothing now days not even celebrate a friends birthday. what goes around comes around, no use hopeing police will catch them, even if they do a smack on the wrist wont stop them!!!

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Johnny Boy says...
4:59pm Sat 26 Sep 09

Ching, I hope your friends that were injured or witnessed this brawl have told the police everything they know.
Let them do their job, the idiots responsible could face a prison sentence and rightly so.
The information you provide would certainly help mate, were you there ?

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Morris Hickey says...
6:22pm Sat 26 Sep 09

So is Epping becoming as bad as Ilford, Romford, Gants Hill or Debden?

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Johnny Boy says...
6:46pm Sat 26 Sep 09

Morris, you have only got to look at some the people that frequent such places as 195 Club.

Most people go for a good night out but there is an undertow of "wannabe villians" or to coin another phrase, "plastic gangsters".

The areas you mention are full of them, coked up to the eyebrows and full of booze. They will look for any reason to prove some pathetic macho point at the drop of a hat, they will use the smallest of slights to make their point.

The other sad fact is that these self centred, obnoxious individuals will have an equally sad female following, the Kat Slater type of character that has the mouth of a sewer and morals at the same level.

Oh and they all seem to have a relative that knew the the Kray twins !!!

God help the civilised world.

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UKIP-local says...
7:57pm Sat 26 Sep 09

I am sure none of us expect the police to stop brawls these days as they are too often invisible. No doubt as a result of the above, a police van was parked near the club this afternoon; I expect they wanted to "show the flag".

What can we expect when the police give up responsibility for the streets and the politicians think it is a great idea to have 24 hour drinking and local people have no say in restricting the licenses. It is almost impossible to refuse a drink license and bad behaviour by the customers attracted by the style of establishment operated there cannot often lead to closure.

As with so many changes - the Nu-Lab idea is worse than the old tried and trusted arrangements.

Now - a word of warning, just because old bill is not stopping brawls, it does not mean you can do 32 mph in a limited area and don't forget to sort your waste, otherwise you will be for the high jump. That's where society's vaues are now.

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epping lass says...
8:16pm Sat 26 Sep 09

Parked in the carpark in epping this morning at the same time as lots of people arriving for a wedding. Unable to walk up the 195 alley as it was taped off and guarded they walked up the alley at the side of Marks only to be accosted by Eppings new resident drunk looking for his next lot of cash! Looks really great doesnt it, thought they were trying to get an asbo against him and as he's staggering around the High St almost every day they hardly need a search party!I think almost every resident in Epping must have been approached by him by now. 195 alley still taped off at 7pm so no business for them tonight, WHAT A SHAME! Peace on the high street.

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EppingResident says...
9:33pm Sat 26 Sep 09

I moved to Epping three years ago as I thought it was a quaint quiet country town. I can't believe this sort of thing is happening on my own doorstep. The 195 and MF Boudoir are ruining this town, there has been trouble at both. They are both tacky places and they are attracting the wrong type of people from outside the area. The Council and local Police should act now and close them down before this place turns into another Romford. I'm starting to feel nervous walking down the high street late at night.

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Pamella says...
9:52pm Sat 26 Sep 09

Close these dumps down, all they do is attract people from outside the area who couldnt gie a monkeys about the local residents so long as they can score whatever drugs they like, get boozed up, pick fights, then sod off home, leaving the local residents to put up with the aftermath.
and to the police: GET YOUR BLOODY FINGERS OUT!

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sensibility says...
11:34pm Sat 26 Sep 09

sun heat and alcohol dont mix, and thats without the pressure of work or lack of it.

Things kick off far quicker than they used too.

I feel for those hurt in any incident ****

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UKIP-local says...
9:25am Sun 27 Sep 09

MF Boudoir seems to have special events whose patrons turn up in vast cars which park on double yellow lines in Half Moon Lane and beyond. They ate attended by muscular minders and skinny girls who give the impression they are paid to be there.

Has anyone ever seen a police officer or parking warden around MF Boudoir on one of these special nights?

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lukegowing says...
10:51am Sun 27 Sep 09

at least when the country club was open, the dregs were out of the way, a plethora of illegal taxis , scabs and whatever to ferry them to all parts of the world , desperate for a 10% meat doner kebab.

happy days , and high streets were safe ...... bring back the country club, it was only a few murders, general grade A substance abuse anyway :-)

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Johnny Boy says...
11:21am Sun 27 Sep 09

Lukgowing has a point, the Country Club was the place to go if you wanted a late drink, it was isolated and out of the way and it certainly did attract the "wrong uns".
Now what do we have, all day drinking, late licensing for HIGH STREET bars a national cocaine habit. The Columbian nose candy (Charlie to his friends) is everywhere and not just confined to the younger generations, go into any popular Bar or Pub and you will see men in their 40s and 50s doing a line.
All this makes for bad behaviour now that it appears to be the norm and is socially acceptable. As a society we are losing our values and morals, things will only get worse.

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EastAnglian says...
12:03pm Sun 27 Sep 09

I must jump in and defend the police in Epping as they do a difficult job.
The shame is that there is just not enough of them. This is not just teh case in Epping, but all of Essex and the rest of the country.
The government are happy to part with just enough cash for an 'adequate' amount of officers only.
Do you really think the police were just sitting around Epping having a cup of tea while this was going on? .No, more likely that the 8! officers (probably not far from the truth) covering this MASSIVE district were covering all the other incidents that a Saturday night brings

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Rantman says...
4:28pm Sun 27 Sep 09

Did the scum that once occupied the now burnt out sugar hut in brentwood find somewhere else to stage their running street battles so quickly or is epping just another previously pleasant town being filled and ruined by dodgy pubs and clubs that attract the knuckle draggers and the underage orange girls from the worst parts of essex and east london.

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essexaddis says...
7:09pm Sun 27 Sep 09

This sort of thing should never happen and I would like to think that my sons would never be in a situation were knifes are used, unfortunataly this is the sign of the times and no longer are fists used in the battles, but knifes, I would just like to ask you all that if they do close down these places, will this kind of thing, just move elsewhere?, I have worked at both of the places mentioned and can assure you all that the owners do their upmost to work with police and security to try to keep trouble to a minimum, what can you do if a group of idiots turn up looking for it, also i would remind people that there are two bars in the "195 alley" as you call it, but the blame always goes to 195, and as for people that live out of the area saying it should be closed, this is a silly thing to say, they do employ alot of local people, this is just caused by usually people from out of the the area that dont care, and think they can get away with it, stonger sentances for knife crime is needed.

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chingford20 says...
7:41pm Sun 27 Sep 09

believe it or not there classing it as a racist attack against whites.

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essexaddis says...
7:53pm Sun 27 Sep 09

I do believe it, this could be the case. but why does it alway need to be put into a pigeon hole, is it not just idiots fighting.

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MFG72 says...
8:45am Mon 28 Sep 09

I heard a similar incident happened on Friday night just after midnight in Loughton, supposedly dozens of men fighting in the middle of the street between the Minx bar and Nu Bar, so many that cars could get through.

Did anyone else hear of this?

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UKIP-local says...
8:54am Mon 28 Sep 09

The cost of the police has risen faster than inflation for some years now. They have had the benefit of all the cash we private householders spend to secure our premises and ourselves, they invade our privacy with street cameras. Despite this they cannot control real crime because they are too keen to take on the easy pickings of minor speeding offenses, etc.

If you report a crime you are likely to be the first focus of police attention, yourself.

Meanwhile we have police leaders making political statements about this and that, commenting on court decisions which are not their role and generally behaving more like our masters than our servants.

The police service is not the same organisation as the police force was in the past and it I struggle to feel they and I are on the same side.

The case which started this thread shows the state of things in Epping today, and in so many towns. The culprits are the low life who frequent these places but the causes lie in bad licensing laws, poor police priorities and a busted criminal justice system.

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lukegowing says...
9:35am Mon 28 Sep 09

you cant just close down every bar/club on a whim , just because of an isolated flare up, however violent.

punch ups have always happened and will continue to do so, where you get large groups of people , possibly drunk .

it happens because in this country, the longer you have to drink, the more you drink.

we have also created a chav masterbreed of orange idiots( tweed) and the like who behave like they own the world, with no fear of
prosecution.

there is no control on the amount of booze sold to an individual, the more the better, these days.

years ago, a landlord, would monitor the amount sold to an individual, for fear of losing his/her licence.

didnt this happen in wanstead a few weeks ago too

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sandrews says...
9:54am Mon 28 Sep 09

I think some people in the Epping area are very small minded and have obviously forgotten that they were young once and went out clubbing. All the pubs and club in Epping do there best to avoid trouble at their venues, noone wants to loose their licence but unfortunately in this day and age people dont go out and just drink anymore and now feel the need to use weapons instead of their fists. On coming through the High Road in the early hours of Sun morning, I saw that there was trouble leaving the Duke of Wellington and also a brawl in the road outside the The George. and Club 195 was shut!! So this happens everywhere! Also you may notice that the man arrested is 45! no a youngster a middle aged man! Stop knocking business' that employ local people and start campaigning for more bobbies on the streets!!!! You get these venues shut down, what will people do, have houseparties?!

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ConcernedofLoughton says...
9:59am Mon 28 Sep 09

I quite agree with UKIP-local. Its almost as if police want to make it as difficult as possible for people to report a crime.

I recently reported a driver leaving the scene of an accident and the police refused to do it over the phone, instead I had to visit the police station. On visiting the police station I was told I couldnt report it until I had presented MY documents. In the end I tracked down the driver myself and got him to pay up through his insurance. On chasing the police up they said they wouldnt persue the matter as once the insurance was paid (even though a crime was committed) they werent interested.

All they seem interested in is the "low-hanging friut".

Also, most of them could do with some driving lessons.

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Maurice Stoker says...
10:05am Mon 28 Sep 09

The cheap drink and easy accessibility fuels all this. 6 bottles of lager for a £5'r from Somerfields says it all.

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ConcernedofLoughton says...
10:30am Mon 28 Sep 09

I disagree that its about cheap drink. I, like most consumers of alcohol, drink responsibly and welcome the affordability of cheaper lager etc.

The excessive drinking and related violence is a culture thing. Look at France, wine and beer are very cheap and drinking is done from a much earlier age and they dont have the same problems. Similarly in the states drinking isnt a problem but they have almost the opposite view to the French.

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Epping Res says...
12:51pm Mon 28 Sep 09

Epping town has really changed for the worst since that guy bought 195 and other establishments in the area. Piano Lounge ok as it's a restaurant but the other two , tacky and vulgar. Epping used to be one of the nicer towns of Essex now the evenings bring us fast boy racers, and gangs comming down from London to knife rough chavy guys who have come to Epping for the evening. Even the bar beneath 195 club dosn't have very classy people running them, more like sinister, hard as you like type charactors. Good god, how can anyone let their sons out now for a night out in Epping. I,m sure gangs from London or other unsavoury charactors would'nt bother to come to Epping if there were just pubs and no club. So close the bloody place down! As for someone mentioning job losses I'm afraid the price is too high when stabbings etc. take place. Spoke to the Lady Mayor of Epping Sunday morning about the mass brawl and astonishingly it was the first she had heard of it. Please , please can someone tell us how the people of Epping can stop this 195 club from staying open. Councilors, Police can you actually really do somthing big and stop this before Epping is ruined .

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eppingmd says...
1:32pm Mon 28 Sep 09

Thankyou to sandrews and essexaddis who are not being so narrow minded. I have friends who were there on the night and the fight actually started in the Edge club ALSO in the alley. Why is club 195 getting the blame for this when it didnt even happen in there, it just happen to be in the alley way that they share with the edge club. Club 195 have a very good and substantial team of doormen and a members only policy, turning those who appear to be trouble away.
I think people in the town are far too quick to blame club 195, without knowing any facts, this incident DIDN'T happen inside the club, but i could guarantee that the club 195 doorstaff, put there (what now seems) lives at risk to help the people involved.

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ConcernedofLoughton says...
2:42pm Mon 28 Sep 09

Good to hear that so many of the posts on here mention they know people who were there. I guess the police shouldnt struggle for witnesses then.

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LF1 says...
2:48pm Mon 28 Sep 09

SHUT IT DOWN!!!

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Epping Res says...
6:41pm Mon 28 Sep 09

I don't think the Edge venue would have the amount of customers from all over without the reputation of 195 club conveniently next door. And by the way non members get in all the time at 195 club. Epping is a small country town not as so many people on this web site have pointed out Romford, Ilford or Harlow etc. I don't think the propriators really give a monkey about the people and the towns residents it's all about getting as much money they can through the door. Maybe the council should have aloud lap dancers as the clientel may have been different. At the end of the day the club has attracted more of the wrong type of people to arrive in this small quaint town. Fact

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epping1987 says...
7:03pm Mon 28 Sep 09

i was in edge on this night and i can assure you the voilence didnt start there and yes there was a scrap in and outside there but was nuffing to do with this issue but not denying it probly egged it on .....and for the person who was sayin 195 has goood doorman thats the most nonsese ive ever seen ive seen them hit little kids bout 17 - 19 half of them are steroid freaks just because thay look big are full up with water and members only hahaha are you having a bubble

another thing i might add is i moved from bow east london bout 4yrs ago and as far as im conercend epping might look a nice place during the day but at night it turns in to a druggy paradise and all ....the black lion the duke mf budior and edge are all full of coked up kids/men even woman cocaine is the biggist problem in epping not the voilence just 2 of many things which need to be stammped out

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EppingForum.Co.Uk says...
7:29pm Mon 28 Sep 09

I agree epping1987, coke use has rocketed and this kind of violence is normally always cocaine and alcohol powered these days, especially at that time of the morning.

They need to squash it before it spreads and wrecks the town.

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This Corrosion says...
7:33pm Mon 28 Sep 09

Turn it into an alternative club, problem solved :)

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ConcernedofLoughton says...
8:21pm Mon 28 Sep 09

Spelling and grammar are also clearly a problem, squash it before it spreads and wrecks the town.

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lukegowing says...
9:02pm Mon 28 Sep 09

ConcernedofLoughton wrote:
Spelling and grammar are also clearly a problem, squash it before it spreads and wrecks the town.
you cant type properly when you are trying to do a line of charlie off your laptop

fact !!!

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doglock09 says...
10:45pm Mon 28 Sep 09

sandrews, epping says...
9:54am Mon 28 Sep 09

You would say that as you are the one filling people full of unlimited drink for £15 and tolerate anti social behavior, drugs and violence in your establishments as long as you keep pulling in the punters. The idots that turn up at MF boudoir get drunk, buy drugs in the most outragously obvious way in the shadows of shell garage next door. scream their heads off and if they dont have a fight here their will always be one waiting for them at club 195. How about taking some responsibility ?

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This Corrosion says...
11:05pm Mon 28 Sep 09

doglock09 wrote:
sandrews, epping says... 9:54am Mon 28 Sep 09 You would say that as you are the one filling people full of unlimited drink for £15 and tolerate anti social behavior, drugs and violence in your establishments as long as you keep pulling in the punters. The idots that turn up at MF boudoir get drunk, buy drugs in the most outragously obvious way in the shadows of shell garage next door. scream their heads off and if they dont have a fight here their will always be one waiting for them at club 195. How about taking some responsibility ?
Actually it's the neanderthals who choose to behave in such an appalling manner who need to take responsibility. there are plenty of clubs, venues, bars out there which can run a perfectly peaceful night without all this ridiculous behaviour. I'm not standing up for these particular establishments, far from it. I'd far rather go party in London where it's comparatively safe than on my own door step. It's down to the individual as to their conduct and whilst people give them any excuse to behave in the manner they choose to, it will continue.

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sandrews says...
10:17am Tue 29 Sep 09

doglock09 wrote:
sandrews, epping says... 9:54am Mon 28 Sep 09 You would say that as you are the one filling people full of unlimited drink for £15 and tolerate anti social behavior, drugs and violence in your establishments as long as you keep pulling in the punters. The idots that turn up at MF boudoir get drunk, buy drugs in the most outragously obvious way in the shadows of shell garage next door. scream their heads off and if they dont have a fight here their will always be one waiting for them at club 195. How about taking some responsibility ?
I suggest you go and enjoy yourself on one of the £15 nights, sounds like you need to let your hair down!! Oh and by the way i'm not the S Andrews you are thinking of. There are many of us out there!

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Maurice Stoker says...
2:25pm Tue 29 Sep 09

When they withdrew the birch from these shores about 15 years ago, I could not help noticing that this gang warfare suddenly burst out of control like an unlanced boil of venomous pus and all we have had since is cocaine tolerated youngster (fuelled on by celebrities publicly smoking and breathing in through their noses and losing the middle bit of their snout) coating the loo of licensed premises and going crazy at the slightest instilled bit of authority they encounter.

Sixties coffee bars should be encouraged with more pop and coffee and duke boxes. Pie and mash and Eel emporiums could be encouraged to provide the coffee of the sixties with chrome Gaggia's spitting out hot steaming coffee to go with the meal and also lashings of liquor. vegetarian dishes could be provided to cater for e number enthusiasts and tests carried out by a nutritionist before entry is allowed.

We never have stabbings in the 50's or 60's and should anyone be caught after the service is provided they could be birched in the stocks outside one of the clubs and that would deter them I am certain.

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doglock09 says...
3:05pm Tue 29 Sep 09

This Corrosion wrote:
doglock09 wrote: sandrews, epping says... 9:54am Mon 28 Sep 09 You would say that as you are the one filling people full of unlimited drink for £15 and tolerate anti social behavior, drugs and violence in your establishments as long as you keep pulling in the punters. The idots that turn up at MF boudoir get drunk, buy drugs in the most outragously obvious way in the shadows of shell garage next door. scream their heads off and if they dont have a fight here their will always be one waiting for them at club 195. How about taking some responsibility ?
Actually it's the neanderthals who choose to behave in such an appalling manner who need to take responsibility. there are plenty of clubs, venues, bars out there which can run a perfectly peaceful night without all this ridiculous behaviour. I'm not standing up for these particular establishments, far from it. I'd far rather go party in London where it's comparatively safe than on my own door step. It's down to the individual as to their conduct and whilst people give them any excuse to behave in the manner they choose to, it will continue.
I agree with corrosion. I also choose to go into town to places where the door staff are properly trained and effective, any obvious drug dealing is stamped on and there are more police around outside to deal with any idiots. My apologies if I got the wrong sandrews but my point was licencees have a responsibiltity to protect those of us who are having a good time and dont want any bother from coked up, drunk out of their minds, pretend gangsters. I have seen alot of trouble eminating from only a 3 or 4 places in the short time I have lived been in Epping. If the licence is under threat the owners may spend some time and money doing what they can to help prevent it and not just turn a blind eye.

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lukegowing says...
3:14pm Tue 29 Sep 09

Maurice Stoker wrote:
When they withdrew the birch from these shores about 15 years ago, I could not help noticing that this gang warfare suddenly burst out of control like an unlanced boil of venomous pus and all we have had since is cocaine tolerated youngster (fuelled on by celebrities publicly smoking and breathing in through their noses and losing the middle bit of their snout) coating the loo of licensed premises and going crazy at the slightest instilled bit of authority they encounter. Sixties coffee bars should be encouraged with more pop and coffee and duke boxes. Pie and mash and Eel emporiums could be encouraged to provide the coffee of the sixties with chrome Gaggia's spitting out hot steaming coffee to go with the meal and also lashings of liquor. vegetarian dishes could be provided to cater for e number enthusiasts and tests carried out by a nutritionist before entry is allowed. We never have stabbings in the 50's or 60's and should anyone be caught after the service is provided they could be birched in the stocks outside one of the clubs and that would deter them I am certain.
sometimes you have to wonder, just who is on the cocaine, uninformed clueless idiot.

pie and mash (fool)



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This Corrosion says...
3:32pm Tue 29 Sep 09

"We never have stabbings in the 50's or 60's "

I'll take your word for it, I wasn't born in the 50's but I'm certain wasn't that when the teddy boys, mods and rockers came to fruition?

"they could be birched in the stocks outside one of the clubs and that would deter them I am certain.
When they withdrew the birch from these shores about 15 years ago, I could not help noticing that this gang warfare suddenly burst out of control like an unlanced boil of venomous pus and all we have had since is cocaine tolerated youngster (fuelled on by celebrities publicly smoking and breathing in through their noses and losing the middle bit of their snout) coating the loo of licensed premises and going crazy at the slightest instilled bit of authority they encounter. Sixties coffee bars should be encouraged with more pop and coffee and duke boxes. Pie and mash and Eel emporiums could be encouraged to provide the coffee of the sixties with chrome Gaggia's spitting out hot steaming coffee to go with the meal and also lashings of liquor. vegetarian dishes could be provided to cater for e number enthusiasts and tests carried out by a nutritionist before entry is allowed. We never have stabbings in the 50's or 60's and should anyone be caught after the service is provided they could be birched in the stocks outside one of the clubs and that would deter them I am certain.
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Comment: "We never have stabbings in the 50's or 60's "

I'll take your word for it, I wasn't born in the 50's but wasn't that when the teddy boys came to fruition followed by the mods and rockers in the 60's. Hardly portrayed by the media as little darlings were they? Yes I know one shouldn't believe anything one reads in the media but it's the only information I have available.

" be birched in the stocks outside one of the clubs and that would deter them I am certain."

These people actually seem to enjoy being hurt, otherwise they wouldn't revel in so many fracas, I'm certain they would thoroughly enjoy the experience, the clubs could charge voyeurs to watch. Anyway there are clubs for that sort of thing already in existence.

I'm sorry, I'm just in a pedantic frame of mind today, there are plenty of coffee houses that already exist in Epping although sadly not open late at night.

It's not all bad, there is a whole sub culture dedicated to extolling the virtues of tea drinking, polite manners, good conduct
and most other things sadly lacking in 'normal' society, it's gaining momentum every day. Anyway this MDF Bordello place, anyone fancy a drink there sometime?

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This Corrosion says...
3:36pm Tue 29 Sep 09

My previous post, so sorry, the website appears (or was it me?) to have totally screwed it up. Oooops :(

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femalepensioner says...
5:44pm Tue 29 Sep 09

What has changed in 50 years?
In the 50's Teddy Boys
In the 60's Mods & Rockers
In the 70's Skinheads
etc.
Life is still the same - and whenever there is a gathering of young people, trouble will follow.
It is not the places that fuel people's behaviour but society.
It appears that today, it is macho to carry weapons and to cause the maximum of disruption and show no respect for others or the property of others.
Who is to blame - TV, Films, PC gaming, parental attitudes, etc. I don't have the answer but to keep on blaming establishments who attempt to control patrons whilst on the premises and directly outside seems a cop-out. After all no-one was in favour of shutting Loughton tube station last year when there were running battles there.
All of the behaviour experienced in Epping and Loughton last weekend is nothing new and no doubt the same comments will be made again and again until "WE" learn that our behaviour and the control of our children affect how "OUR" children behave.

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Maurice Stoker says...
8:17pm Tue 29 Sep 09

femalepensioner wrote:
What has changed in 50 years?
In the 50's Teddy Boys
In the 60's Mods & Rockers
In the 70's Skinheads
etc.
Life is still the same - and whenever there is a gathering of young people, trouble will follow.
It is not the places that fuel people's behaviour but society.
It appears that today, it is macho to carry weapons and to cause the maximum of disruption and show no respect for others or the property of others.
Who is to blame - TV, Films, PC gaming, parental attitudes, etc. I don't have the answer but to keep on blaming establishments who attempt to control patrons whilst on the premises and directly outside seems a cop-out. After all no-one was in favour of shutting Loughton tube station last year when there were running battles there.
All of the behaviour experienced in Epping and Loughton last weekend is nothing new and no doubt the same comments will be made again and again until "WE" learn that our behaviour and the control of our children affect how "OUR" children behave.
There is no need to strut around like baying peacocks and all these problems and heated exchanges can be tactfully debated over a tea or coffee and without knives. Mediation not confrontation and teas not melees.

I am truly frightened at some of these exploits happening.

Is there no hope for the youth of today?

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EastAnglian says...
7:52am Wed 30 Sep 09

The amount of posts and emotions seen on this subject clearly shows what an issue this is for Epping residents.
Perhaps its time for this publication to start a debate on this subject. Involve you guys, the police, the council, the club managers, the resident groups, the knife carrying youths and the coke heads.
Lets sort it out

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Johnny Boy says...
2:36pm Wed 30 Sep 09

I think East Anglian has a point here, who knows what could be achieved if the "GOOD PEOPLE" of Epping pull together and make it known that they are not prepared to tolerate this type of incident again. I live in Loughton but have always been very fond of Epping, I would hate to see your High Road become like Loughtons, a total mess.

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Larry Green says...
7:06pm Wed 30 Sep 09

long time lurker---1st time poster


lots of wind up merchants on here ?


tea/coffee not melee===got to be on a wind up surely.....i have searched through a few of the widely replied to threads and this bloke stoker seems to be an idiot !!!

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Larry Green says...
7:07pm Wed 30 Sep 09

long time lurker---1st time poster


lots of wind up merchants on here ?


tea/coffee not melee===got to be on a wind up surely.....i have searched through a few of the widely replied to threads and this bloke stoker seems to be an idiot !!!

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Morris Hickey says...
8:39pm Wed 30 Sep 09

Larry Green wrote:
long time lurker---1st time poster lots of wind up merchants on here ? tea/coffee not melee===got to be on a wind up surely.....i have searched through a few of the widely replied to threads and this bloke stoker seems to be an idiot !!!
Spot on with your first post! Well done.

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NU BAR LOUGHTON says...
12:31pm Thu 1 Oct 09

I must respond to the allegation that there was trouble at NU BAR on friday aswell.
If you call the Loughton police station you will see that the trouble started at another venue and they all ended up running towards my establishment ....NU Bar immediately shut its doors to aide the police in doing their tough job , after resolving the incident in the high rd the Police came over to my security staff and thanked them for their quick thinking and for protecting the nice crowds we had inside.Loughton high rd needs more cab stations especially down the end where most the venues actually are.....The Police empathise with myself as alot of trouble ends up my end because people cant get home.
As I stated in another thread...NU BAR can boast a safety record far superior to that of most local clubs...my security bill is £2000 a week.. I emply as licenced badged manager and I also patrol the venuelooking for people who break our strict code of conduct.
To the people who say all proprietors do not care then you are wrong with me .
I have all my hard earned money in my business NU BAR and I will endeavor to protect that business from idiots and also the licencing commitee which have the power to take it all away if I break the rules.
My father was murdered in his pub (the Clydesdale) In 1991 for ejecting a drug gang... I put myself in that same position every weekend in the name of people having a safe drink and allowing my business to earn money.......I am regularly threatened but this is the nature of society today.
I hope this puts a differnt side to your debate ,
Adam Brooks
07909500755

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Larry Green says...
8:42pm Thu 1 Oct 09

in response to mr brooks excellent post, i have to add that there are 3/4 taxi companies in loughton and this should be enough , however as in all town centres there are never 100 taxis available between 1and 2 am to clear the drunken idiots, and why should taxi drivers have to put up with the louts anyway.

its a difficult problem that needs more than a knee jerk answer

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They had no regard for human life! says...
1:45pm Fri 2 Oct 09

The Police and Newspapers have a duty to report accurate facts. I hear this was not a brawl or a fight, which insinuates willingness on both sides. This was a gang of upto 30 black men, who ferociously attacked random white lads who were outside either talking to girls or having a cigarette just before turn out. It was the most horrific attack of immense proportions with several white lads lying on the floor surrounded in their own blood while the black gang repeatedly stamped on and kicked them even whilst unconcious. As a parent you would be devastated. The injuries sustained where truly shocking. I feel desperately sorry for the parents of all these lads. Its unimagineable the trauma that the lads' minds and bodies have suffered, scarred now for life, as they were stabbed, beaten, slashed and many were glassed across their faces, they had to draft in specialist facial injury surgeons to sew up all the faces, imagine if that was your child. Some were just out celebrating with friends who were off to University, 18 years old, not men in their early 20's. If there had been a police presence outside this club, which according to what I have heard/read, has been a problem for a long time, this would NOT have happened. Shockingly, from what I am told, the bouncers failed to help in anyway and just left the lads like lambs to their slaughter! If the boot was on the other foot, it would be headline news!!! If the police have only arrested one 46 year old man, then for the sake of the lad who was, by all accounts "critical", and for all the other innocent victims maimed in this psychopathic attack, and for public safety, put the CCTV evidence on Crimewatch!

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Malcolm Yeoman says...
5:31pm Fri 2 Oct 09

I just wonder why some of these tearaways cannot be encouraged to join the local Boys Brigade, Scouts or Wood craft, where they can express themselves and discharge energy into Wide Games, Rugger, Tin Pan Alley, Chess, Charades and other exciting ventures. There is more to life than Jack Tweed adventures, no?

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Malcolm Yeoman says...
5:31pm Fri 2 Oct 09

I just wonder why some of these tearaways cannot be encouraged to join the local Boys Brigade, Scouts or Wood craft, where they can express themselves and discharge energy into Wide Games, Rugger, Tin Pan Alley, Chess, Charades and other exciting ventures. There is more to life than Jack Tweed adventures, no?

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Larry Green says...
11:38pm Fri 2 Oct 09

Malcolm Yeoman wrote:
I just wonder why some of these tearaways cannot be encouraged to join the local Boys Brigade, Scouts or Wood craft, where they can express themselves and discharge energy into Wide Games, Rugger, Tin Pan Alley, Chess, Charades and other exciting ventures. There is more to life than Jack Tweed adventures, no?
Another false name ...another load of cobblers...you insult the excellent post by ' they had no regard'

do you get off on posting this stuff

bert small, claridger,j swarz, maurice stoker all the same carp (typo)

scum of the earth...your not funny just scummy

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Malcolm Yeoman says...
12:14pm Sat 3 Oct 09

Larry Green wrote:
Malcolm Yeoman wrote:
I just wonder why some of these tearaways cannot be encouraged to join the local Boys Brigade, Scouts or Wood craft, where they can express themselves and discharge energy into Wide Games, Rugger, Tin Pan Alley, Chess, Charades and other exciting ventures. There is more to life than Jack Tweed adventures, no?
Another false name ...another load of cobblers...you insult the excellent post by ' they had no regard'

do you get off on posting this stuff

bert small, claridger,j swarz, maurice stoker all the same carp (typo)

scum of the earth...your not funny just scummy
I take it that you disagree with my viewpoint?

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